Israel's War Against Hamas - Updates

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And this is Biden's vision for Gaza?

 

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Arabs and Bedouins join Israel’s war on Hamas despite accusations of ‘treachery’

Growing number of minorities volunteer for fight against terror, in part to improve their own career prospects

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

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And this is Biden's vision for Gaza?

I am not mixing American politics into this.
I have no idea that this would be Biden's vision. I doubt that it would be.

 

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Gaza City is almost done ,now it’s time to finish the South and the Last Hamas Fighters left can facilitate the Prisoner Swap / Hostage Deal

 

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[ Protesters who know nothing about Hamas or the history of the region, keep disrupting every event they can. When did they do anything like this against Russia, freeing Ukraine, and ending the war there?
Not one of them even thought of protesting against Russia ]

 

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[ Protesters who know nothing about Hamas or the history of the region, keep disrupting every event they can. When did they do anything like this against Russia, freeing Ukraine, and ending the war there?
Not one of them even thought of protesting against Russia ]

There will be Running Street Battles by Midwinter

 

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There will be Running Street Battles by Midwinter

Not in the US. But if this is your Islamic dream for the US, keep dreaming.

 

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Not in the US. But if this is your Islamic dream for the US, keep dreaming.

This is the BLM / Marxist Brainwashed Students , Black Bloc / ANTIFA / Trannies Rainbow Flag wavers CPUSA / GLAAD dream not mine

 

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This is the BLM / Marxist Brainwashed Students , Black Bloc / ANTIFA / Trannies Rainbow Flag wavers CPUSA / GLAAD dream not mine

Right, it is all about Democratic ideas in the US, especially LGBTQ .
Keep your anti LGBTQ, etc ideas off this thread. They have nothing to do with the war Israel is conducting.

The brainwashed from everywhere in the world who are against Israel are that. Brainwashed. They are brainwashed because every country has allowed its places of education, Media, etc to be taken over by Muslim ideology and anti Israel propaganda.

I post these stories hoping that the wave of anti Israel propaganda will slowly go away, and common sense will prevail, as it does with many already.

This thread is not a place to attack the Democrats in the US, and attempt political points for the Republicans.

 

[Sayaras]

IDF uncovers more weapons hidden under children’s beds in Gaza​

The army also discovered four deep tunnel shafts in Jabalia.​

Weapons found under children’s beds in Jabalia, near Gaza City, Nov. 23, 2023. Credit: IDF Spokesperson’s Unit

 

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The IDF worked hard on Thursday to toughen its positions across northern Gaza to prevent any surprise attacks by Hamas.

In 2014, Hamas violated a number of temporary ceasefires, in some cases successfully surprising and killing IDF soldiers.

IDF Chief-of-Staff Lt.-Gen. Herzi Halevi had held a briefing with all major generals, brigadier generals, and colonels involved in Gaza operations on Wednesday to ensure that they would be ready for anything Hamas might try.

(full article online)

Israel-Hamas war: IDF fortifies Gaza positions ahead of ceasefire

IDF Chief-of-Staff Herzi Halevi had held a briefing with all generals in Gaza operations on Wednesday to ensure that they would be ready for anything Hamas might try.

www.jpost.com

 

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Part 1

Since Hamas started its war with Israel on Oct. 7 by committing brutual atrocities against thousands of Israeli citizens, the terror organization’s Ministry of Health in Gaza has been the media’s go-to source for Gaza casualty statistics even as critics pointed out the ministry’s credibilitydeficit. Questions about the reliability of a health ministry run by a terror organization have prompted media outlets, including the Associated Press and BBC, to go to great lengths to attempt to cover for the ministry’s credibility gap (“What is Gaza’s Ministry of Health and how does it calculate the war’s death toll?” and “How the Dead Are Counted“).

In recent days, the Hamas-run health ministry has stated that it stopped keeping track of this information. “No one has correct numbers, that’s not possible anymore,” Health Ministry official Mehdat Abbas told AP. “People are thrown in the streets. They’re under the rubble. Who can count the bodies and release the death toll in a press conference?”

And yet Reuters continues to report alleged casualty statistics attributed to “authorities in Gaza” and “health officials.” So what’s going on? If Hamas’ Ministry of Health says “no one has correct numbers,” then who in Gaza is feeding the media the information, and of what credibility? And what is the significance of this change in sourcing?

A week ago, Reuters reported that Gaza’s Ministry of Health, better known as Hamas, was having trouble updating the data (“Palestinian officials say harder to update Gaza casualty toll as health system buckles,” Nov. 15):

Palestinian health authorities said on Wednesday it was becoming increasingly difficult to obtain accurate casualty figures from Gaza due to the collapse of the hospital and health system in parts of the Israeli-besieged enclave.
The Palestinian health ministry has been issuing a constantly updated total of the casualties from the Israeli bombardment of Gaza, launched in the wake of the deadly attack on Israel by Hamas gunmen on Oct. 7.
But as Israeli forces have pushed deep into the Gaza Strip and communications infrastructure has been degraded, contact with hospitals has buckled and systematic data collection has become more problematic, the ministry said.
“For the fourth consecutive day, the ministry faces challenges in updating the number of casualties because of services and communications collapsing in hospitals in the north,” it said in a statement.

'Who Can Count the Bodies?' Asks Hamas' Health Ministry As Another Hamas Office Issues Stats

“No one has correct numbers, that’s not possible anymore,” Health Ministry official Mehdat Abbas told AP. “Who can count the bodies and release the

www.camera.org

 

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Part 2

Then, yesterday, the Associated Press reported that the Hamas-run Ministry of Health has ceased keeping track of this information, reporting (“Gaza health officials say they lost the ability to count the dead as Israeli offensive intensifies“):

Palestinian health officials in Gaza said Tuesday that they have lost the ability to count the dead because of the collapse of parts of the enclave’s health system and the difficulty of retrieving bodies from areas overrun by Israeli tanks and troops.
The Health Ministry in Hamas-controlled Gaza, which carefully tracked casualties over the first five weeks of war, gave its most recent death toll of 11,078 on Nov. 10. The United Nations humanitarian office, which cites the Health Ministry death toll in its regular reports, still refers to 11,078 as the last verified death toll from the war. . . .
“Unfortunately, the Ministry of Health has not yet been able to issue its statistics because there is a breakdown in communication between hospitals and disruption to the internet,” ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Qidra told The Associated Press. The electronic database that health authorities use to compile casualties from hospitals “is no longer able to count the names and tally the statistics,” he said. . . .
Officials at the Health Ministry, long seen as the most reliable local source for casualties, said they believe the death toll has jumped sharply in the past week based on doctors’ estimates after airstrikes on densely populated neighborhoods and reports from families about missing loved ones. But they said it had become virtually impossible to arrive at a precise number of victims.
“No one has correct numbers, that’s not possible anymore,” Health Ministry official Mehdat Abbas said. “People are thrown in the streets. They’re under the rubble. Who can count the bodies and release the death toll in a press conference?”
Abbas’ comments appeared to be a dig at the Health Ministry in the occupied West Bank, where the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority, a rival of Hamas, administers autonomous enclaves.
The West Bank ministry in Ramallah gave similar casualty counts to its counterpart in Gaza over the first five weeks of war. But after the Gaza ministry stopped counting, health authorities in Ramallah kept releasing regular reports with death tolls — most recently 13,300 — without discussing their methodology. U.N. agencies said they could not verify the West Bank ministry’s numbers.
The Health Ministry in the West Bank stopped providing its own count Tuesday without giving a reason. Because of that, and because officials there declined to explain in detail how they tracked deaths after Nov. 11, the AP decided to stop reporting the West Bank count.
Authorities in Gaza said they could not account for how the West Bank’s Health Ministry tallied the numbers. Al-Qidra described the figures released by the Ramallah-based ministry as “personal statistics” unrelated to Gaza’s ministry.
“If someone is sitting in an air-conditioned office, he can say whatever he wants,” Abbas said. “But if you come to the field here, no one can work between tanks to count how many people are killed.”

'Who Can Count the Bodies?' Asks Hamas' Health Ministry As Another Hamas Office Issues Stats

“No one has correct numbers, that’s not possible anymore,” Health Ministry official Mehdat Abbas told AP. “Who can count the bodies and release the

www.camera.org

 

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Part 3

Despite the fact that Hamas’ Ministry of Health says it is not possible to provide correct numbers, Hamas’ Government Media Office claims to somehow do so. The methodology of this separate Hamas office is completely opaque, and there is no explanation for how it’s able to gather the data while its colleagues in the Ministry of Health cannot. The Hamas Government Media Office most recently shared casualty data yesterday, citing 14,128 “martyrs.”

Glossing over the notable change in sourcing, Reuters today reported: “Israeli bombardments have flattened swathes of Hamas-ruled Gaza, killed 13,300 civilians in the tiny densely populated enclave and left about two-thirds of its 2.3 million people homeless, according to authorities in Gaza.” (“Israel, Hamas agree four-day truce for hostage release and aid into Gaza,” by Nidal a-Mughrabi and Rami Amichay. Emphasis added.)

(Regarding the disparity in figures, on Nov. 19, the opaque Government Media Office had cited 13,000 “martyrs.” A jump of more than 1100 fatalities in just two days is a significant, unexplained escalation.)

Similarly, Reuters’ Nidal al-Mughrabi and Maayan Lubell used the identical language in their article yesterday, “Israeli government meets to decide on deal for Hamas to free some hostages.”

Aside from the fact that Reuters fails to explain how a Hamas media office is able to determine casualty figures while Hamas’ Ministry of Health cannot, the news agency embellishes Hamas’ unverifiable claim with its own fabrication, falsely claiming that all of the fatalities are civilian. Contrary to Reuters’ reports, not all of the dead in Gaza are civilians killed by Israeli bombardments. The figures also include Hamas terrorists, including over a 1000 killed within Israel as they carried out atrocities on the Oct. 7 massacre, plus thousands more killed fighting soldiers in the Gaza Strip. Civilians killed by failed Palestinian rockets which fell short in Gaza, including the Al-Ahli hospital parking lot fatalities in Gaza, also fall under Hamas’ figure.


Previously, the Guardian, The Telegraph and Times of London have all previously corrected the identical claim that all of the fatalities in Gaza were civilians.

In a separate article today, Reuters falsely depicts the casualty data as originating with health officials, claiming (“Israel, Hamas agree first truce, 50 hostages to go free in swap“): “Since [Oct. 7], more than 14,000 Gazans have been killed, around 40% of them children, according to medical officials in the Hamas-ruled territory, figures deemed reliable by the United Nations.”

Besides the fact that Hamas’ health officials have themselves said they no longer track the figures, it’s also worth noting that the United Nations did not independently verify Health Ministry data, and is therefore in no position to judge its reliability with any empirical evidence.

For weeks, western media outlets, Reuters included, put great stock into the fatality figures announced by the Hamas-run health ministry. Now that the ministry has acknowledged “No one has correct numbers, that’s not possible anymore,” on what basis does Reuters keep reporting impossibly counted figures inexplicably attributed to Gaza health officials and “authorities in Gaza”?

It’s difficult to understand the logic of one Hamas-run outfit publishing casualty statistics even as another run Hamas-body says it’s not possible to gather such information. And it’s impossible to understand Western journalists who fail to probe Hamas’ talking out of both sides of its mouth, instead parroting mysterious figures as if they hold any shred of credibility whatsoever.

'Who Can Count the Bodies?' Asks Hamas' Health Ministry As Another Hamas Office Issues Stats

“No one has correct numbers, that’s not possible anymore,” Health Ministry official Mehdat Abbas told AP. “Who can count the bodies and release the

www.camera.org

 

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The IDF's 401st Brigade fought in the 'Grad Valley,' on the outskirts of Jabalya, and uncovered underground infrastructure and weapons under children's sleeping beds, according to an IDF press release on Thursday.

The "Grad Valley" is an area from which a wide range of anti-aircraft fire was fired at Israeli territory during the fighting, four significant tunnel shafts were located at great depth.

These shafts are connected to the electricity grid and were used by Hamas and were linked to buildings used by senior Hamas officials.

In another building linked to another senior member of Hamas, many weapons were found in the bedrooms and under the beds of his children.

Documentation​

Operative plan documents and many weapons were located and handed over to the IDF's Intelligence and Documentation Unit in the Intelligence Division, all the materials were transferred for intelligence collection.

"This is a successful day for the 401st Brigade, finding long-range rockets, launch shafts, and four Hamas operational shafts. We reached the "deep heart" of the Hamas formation, and we found the operational base of one of the biggest terrorists, which includes ammunition, weapons, and everything under his children's beds and in the wardrobes," Col. Benny Aharon of the 401st.

"The space from which rockets were fired for years deep into the State of Israel has been uncovered."

Israel-Hamas war: IDF enters Hamas's Gaza 'Grad Valley,' uncover weapons

The "Grad Valley" is an area from which a wide range of anti-aircraft fire was fired at Israeli territory during the fighting, four significant tunnel shafts were located at great depth.

www.jpost.com

 

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