It has become painfully, even fatally, obvious we have a police problem in this country......

[francoHFW]

Astounding. Sad. Never mind the facts, lets lynch somebody? You know how that sounds..? The media imprudently put this out here. Damn the facts. Hmm, let's not question the media, stay on the rails and think like a good robot liberal. I hope you realize the justice system IS the final decider, not bloggers or the media, right? Your outrage is duly noted.

Lynch who you stupid fuck? This thread is not about ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL but rather the hiring practices which CLEARLY need guidelines. Your inability to understand this is a reflection of YOU not me.

Yellow journalists were heroes who pointed out horrible injustices. Read "The Good Old Days-They were Terrible!". Pub dupes live in a dream world of the old days. See Ronnie Raygun.

Shut up tard

Wasn't talking to you, shyttehead. lol. Just when you doing so well lol...

You quoted me you inept fuck

And about 4 other people...

 

[Kondor3]

Part of the problem is police departments only higher stupid people to be cops. I suppose they feel there is more likelihood they'll just do what they're told without actually thinking about whether or not they should be doing it.

US Court Says it's Okay for Police Departments to Refuse to Hire Someone who is Too Smart

 

[Theowl32]

At what point is the BLM movement with rallies chanting to kill cops a contributor to cops being trigger happy?

They don't need to be a bit paranoid?

You sure? How many cops have died over the last few years at the hands of BLM sympathizers?

No contribution at all? Not a part of the discussion?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Maybe we can ban guns from cops, that will solve the issue!

 

[bodecea]

And I believe congress needs to get involved.

First & foremost this is not an excuse for thuggish or criminal behavior. Nor is it a condemnation of police in general.

In the past I have created threads saying that the black community needs to get control of the culture in their inner cities.

Now it is time to recognize that we have a problem in the police community. It has become terribly obvious that temperament & judgment is an issue that the police departments across our nation are not paying a lot of attention to with regard to their hiring practices. So many police shootings seem to be questionable and it usually boils down to judgment. It makes me wonder if the screening process for selecting candidates is adequate. I also wonder if the pay is too low? So low that it attracts too many of the wrong individuals? It's like we just hire whomever applies as long as they pass a back ground check with little regard to their psychological well being or ability to function under extreme stress.
If you watch the video posted to Facebook after this latest shooting you can hear the sheer terror in the officers voice AFTER he had already killed the individual. He sounded like a child who was scared shitless.
Perhaps some nation wide standards could alleviate some of the problems with bad hires. We give these men and women a great deal of power over our daily lives so why not create some rational standards by which we determine who receives that power?

I do some of the printing for the police department here which includes the application packet and the standards you have to pass are pretty high i'm guessing every city probably has their own hiring standards which could be part of the problem.

In my home town in NJ, the standards to become a police officer were pretty simple. Be a town resident. Have a high school diploma or equivalent. Be a lifetime resident or have a long term residence. Know someone in town government. Preferably in the police dept. Or be a relative of a police officer. The officers would train on the job. Now in my home town, a police officer has not fired his weapon on duty in over 80 years. There has been ONE bank robbery in our town since 1962.
Needless to say, being a police officer in my home town is not a hazardous job. However, the officers average about 12 years experience over all.
The point is many small agency PD's have little experience with major crimes. They also have limited experience with high stress situations with potentially deadly consequences.
I think people's perceptions of law enforcement officers comes from movies, television and of course sensationalized news coverage.
If a police officer working a small town detail his or her entire career without so much as having to unholster their weapon, that is a good thing. But that ONE incident with which the officer has little or know real world experience( not the training academy) could end up in tragedy....I think this Minnesota case is one of those type incidents.

Why are you fuckers blaming the cops?

They are human beings they want to go home to their family's like all of us..

We live in a nation of like 300 million

Just be cool to cops plain and simple and they will be cool to you

Except when their name is Craig Peyer and you are a female at night.

 

[Synthaholic]

And I believe congress needs to get involved.

First & foremost this is not an excuse for thuggish or criminal behavior. Nor is it a condemnation of police in general.

In the past I have created threads saying that the black community needs to get control of the culture in their inner cities.

Now it is time to recognize that we have a problem in the police community. It has become terribly obvious that temperament & judgment is an issue that the police departments across our nation are not paying a lot of attention to with regard to their hiring practices. So many police shootings seem to be questionable and it usually boils down to judgment. It makes me wonder if the screening process for selecting candidates is adequate. I also wonder if the pay is too low? So low that it attracts too many of the wrong individuals? It's like we just hire whomever applies as long as they pass a back ground check with little regard to their psychological well being or ability to function under extreme stress.
If you watch the video posted to Facebook after this latest shooting you can hear the sheer terror in the officers voice AFTER he had already killed the individual. He sounded like a child who was scared shitless.
Perhaps some nation wide standards could alleviate some of the problems with bad hires. We give these men and women a great deal of power over our daily lives so why not create some rational standards by which we determine who receives that power?

Yes. The standards that are required to be a cop are now very low. And the training is minimal. They are not trained on how to actually BE cops. They are trained to be social workers and paper pushers. Then, when they get into a sticky situation that a cop from the old days would have recognized as not being actually dangerous, they shoot first, and ask questions later.

Here in NYC an officer is now able to be SUED PERSONALLY for his actions....I don't blame the police for TAKING THEIR TIME to answer calls. Lights and Sirens traveling at 25 MPH, and HOPING to get there in time to MAKE A REPORT and NOT get into a confrontation, as the crime rate under our Socialist mayor continues to CREEP UP once again!

Police officers have ALWAYS been able to be sued personally. It is not new. Title 18 Section 243 IIRC "Denial of Civil Liberties Under Color of Authority" is the relevant piece you want to look up.

Deprivation. 18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

 

[westwall]

And I believe congress needs to get involved.

First & foremost this is not an excuse for thuggish or criminal behavior. Nor is it a condemnation of police in general.

In the past I have created threads saying that the black community needs to get control of the culture in their inner cities.

Now it is time to recognize that we have a problem in the police community. It has become terribly obvious that temperament & judgment is an issue that the police departments across our nation are not paying a lot of attention to with regard to their hiring practices. So many police shootings seem to be questionable and it usually boils down to judgment. It makes me wonder if the screening process for selecting candidates is adequate. I also wonder if the pay is too low? So low that it attracts too many of the wrong individuals? It's like we just hire whomever applies as long as they pass a back ground check with little regard to their psychological well being or ability to function under extreme stress.
If you watch the video posted to Facebook after this latest shooting you can hear the sheer terror in the officers voice AFTER he had already killed the individual. He sounded like a child who was scared shitless.
Perhaps some nation wide standards could alleviate some of the problems with bad hires. We give these men and women a great deal of power over our daily lives so why not create some rational standards by which we determine who receives that power?

Yes. The standards that are required to be a cop are now very low. And the training is minimal. They are not trained on how to actually BE cops. They are trained to be social workers and paper pushers. Then, when they get into a sticky situation that a cop from the old days would have recognized as not being actually dangerous, they shoot first, and ask questions later.

Here in NYC an officer is now able to be SUED PERSONALLY for his actions....I don't blame the police for TAKING THEIR TIME to answer calls. Lights and Sirens traveling at 25 MPH, and HOPING to get there in time to MAKE A REPORT and NOT get into a confrontation, as the crime rate under our Socialist mayor continues to CREEP UP once again!

Police officers have ALWAYS been able to be sued personally. It is not new. Title 18 Section 243 IIRC "Denial of Civil Liberties Under Color of Authority" is the relevant piece you want to look up.

Deprivation. 18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

Thanks. I knew I was close if not on it.

 

[westwall]

Police officers have ALWAYS been able to be sued personally. It is not new. Title 18 Section 243 IIRC "Denial of Civil Liberties Under Color of Authority" is the relevant piece you want to look up.

NO, they have not, they were covered under THEIR DEPT. in NYC until 2 years ago! BTW what year was that section mandated?

Nope. The law I referenced is a FEDERAL LAW. It trumps all state and city laws. The problem is the legal establishment tried like hell to hide it from the general public lest the government officials be made to pay for their sins.

Really? Federal Law trumps state and local law? Wow. Who'd a figured that. Let's tell San Francisco (sanctuary city) and Denver (pot sales and sanctuary city).

It's funny how that works, isn't it?

When Liberals want laws enforced - it's OK. When they don't? Ignore the law.

Sadly, what you say is true. To a point.

Not really "to a point". It is the crux of liberalism. Ignore laws that they don't like. If it weren't true, there would be arrests in all the sanctuary cities (of elected officials) and the Governor of Colorado, the Mayor of Denver would be arrested, the pot confiscated and destroyed and the shop owners placed into custody.

However, the federal government chooses NOT to do its job and enforce the law.

Not liberalism. Progressivism. Liberalism is the absence of governmental controls. It is LIBERTY from government.

 

[Synthaholic]

The officer claims he instructed the driver to keep his hands in sight and commanded him to remain still.

That is in dispute. The officer asked for license and registration.

 

[Synthaholic]

I have to say, it's always entertaining when Gramps starts a thread that is rational and intelligent, then has to argue with all the wingnuts and extremists he usually sides with.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Full article here:

How To Predict Bad Cops In Chicago

exerpt:

"Jamie Kalven, writer and founder of the Invisible Institute, spent years investigating police misconduct in Chicago public housing projects but was frustrated by the department’s failure to release any information on the subject — not even its own records of complaints against officers. In collaboration with the University of Chicago’s Mandel Legal Aid Clinic, Kalven pursued lawsuits against the department, first forcing the city to release lists of the officers with several complaints against them. The Invisible Institute then filed a series of Freedom of Information Act requests to obtain all complaints against police officers from Jan. 1, 2011, through Dec. 7, 2015. (Efforts to compel the release of still more complaint data are ongoing but are at risk because of legal action by the Fraternal Order of Police.)

The extensive catalog of complaints against officers appears to bear out the theory of a few bad apples: Among the 7,758 police officers who received a complaint during that time period, more than half received less than one per year (officers with zero complaints do not appear in the database).
"Meanwhile, the bad apples seem to be the ones racking up the grievances.

To avoid the overworked “bad apple” metaphor, the Invisible Institute prefers to call officers with many complaints against them “repeaters.” Repeaters only make up a small fraction of the more than 12,000 officers on Chicago’s force — perhaps 1 percent to 10 percent of the officers in the database, depending on where you draw the line — but are responsible for a huge fraction of the complaints: 10 percent of the officers who had received complaints generated 30 percent of the total departmental complaints since 2011. The 10 individual repeaters with the most complaints in the past five years averaged 23.4 complaints against them in that span."

What is the definition of a "complaint"?.....Does this include snotty ass drivers who call the police department to bitch about a speeding ticket?
Stats dismissed as tripe.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The officer claims he instructed the driver to keep his hands in sight and commanded him to remain still.

That is in dispute. The officer asked for license and registration.

Of course it is in dispute.
Until all the facts of the incident are confirmed, all aspects of the case are in dispute.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Part of the problem is police departments only higher stupid people to be cops. I suppose they feel there is more likelihood they'll just do what they're told without actually thinking about whether or not they should be doing it.

US Court Says it's Okay for Police Departments to Refuse to Hire Someone who is Too Smart

"Part of the problem is police departments only higher stupid people to be cops"..
Do you really believe this? Or are you just being an asshole?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Well.....the "problem" is concentrated on a small % who shouldn't be cops. Hiring standards have been lowered. So have training standards.

The simple math shows the "problem" isn't widespread. But out of 1,000,000 cops making 14,000,000 arrests per year.....it only takes about 5-10 bad videos per year to make it seem to be a massive problem.

It's widespread. The problem is cop culture.

Disagree.
It is more likely a person will be a victim of a lightning strike than being shot by a cop

 

[thereisnospoon]

Well.....the "problem" is concentrated on a small % who shouldn't be cops. Hiring standards have been lowered. So have training standards.

The simple math shows the "problem" isn't widespread. But out of 1,000,000 cops making 14,000,000 arrests per year.....it only takes about 5-10 bad videos per year to make it seem to be a massive problem.

Amercian Police are killing Citizens at a shocking rate. Possibly the most dangerous deadly Police Force on earth.

The Brazilian police forces put American forces to shame when it comes to murdering citizens.

I'm sure the numbers are pretty close. And don't forget, the U.S. also now imprisons more Citizens than any other nation on earth. So, are we living in a dangerous Police State? You betcha.

Here's the easy part. Don't be in violation of the law. 98% pf us go through life without a single interaction with law enforcement. That is save for traffic tickets or checkpoints.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Think of the meatheads you went to high school with only to find out years later that they became cops !

Shut up...You are too emotional and stupid to have an opinion

 

[Searcher44]

What "nationwide standard" could be adopted. It's great to say "we need to do something "...but what?


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It certainly wouldn't be shrugging your shoulders and walking away. America has solved a lot of problems, is this one beyond its capabilities?

 

[ptbw forever]

And I believe congress needs to get involved.

First & foremost this is not an excuse for thuggish or criminal behavior. Nor is it a condemnation of police in general.

In the past I have created threads saying that the black community needs to get control of the culture in their inner cities.

Now it is time to recognize that we have a problem in the police community. It has become terribly obvious that temperament & judgment is an issue that the police departments across our nation are not paying a lot of attention to with regard to their hiring practices. So many police shootings seem to be questionable and it usually boils down to judgment. It makes me wonder if the screening process for selecting candidates is adequate. I also wonder if the pay is too low? So low that it attracts too many of the wrong individuals? It's like we just hire whomever applies as long as they pass a back ground check with little regard to their psychological well being or ability to function under extreme stress.
If you watch the video posted to Facebook after this latest shooting you can hear the sheer terror in the officers voice AFTER he had already killed the individual. He sounded like a child who was scared shitless.
Perhaps some nation wide standards could alleviate some of the problems with bad hires. We give these men and women a great deal of power over our daily lives so why not create some rational standards by which we determine who receives that power?

My takeaway on this is we have a media out of control here. The way they sensationalize a few videos of questionable police shootings, as if to deliberately incite certain groups into a frenzy, that goes well beyond yellow journalism. The media has lawyers and knows history, and they also know what professional ethics, prudence and discretion means.

The media did not pull the trigger. The media did not protest. The media did not riot. Stop looking for scapegoats for the problem & focus on the actual problem. People, all of us, are responsible for our own actions regardless of what we see or hear in the media. Period

The media are the problem.

They started the Trayvon Martin bullshit, no one else.

 

[ptbw forever]

What the left and the "BLM" crowd doesn't understand is their condemnation of every police shooting of a minority, like Michael Brown, WHICH WAS TOTALLY JUSTIFIED, is turning good people away from law enforcement. People who don't want to be thrown under the bus by politicians for defending themselves. So, the hiring pool gets shallower, and you will have more idiots with guns and badges. It is happening already. I see it in my department.

Most of them are just sick individuals who don't really care.

 

[Searcher44]

Well.....the "problem" is concentrated on a small % who shouldn't be cops. Hiring standards have been lowered. So have training standards.

The simple math shows the "problem" isn't widespread. But out of 1,000,000 cops making 14,000,000 arrests per year.....it only takes about 5-10 bad videos per year to make it seem to be a massive problem.

Amercian Police are killing Citizens at a shocking rate. Possibly the most dangerous deadly Police Force on earth.

The Brazilian police forces put American forces to shame when it comes to murdering citizens.

I'm sure the numbers are pretty close. And don't forget, the U.S. also now imprisons more Citizens than any other nation on earth. So, are we living in a dangerous Police State? You betcha.

Here's the easy part. Don't be in violation of the law. 98% pf us go through life without a single interaction with law enforcement. That is save for traffic tickets or checkpoints.

Uh Huh... and if you're Black a checkpoint can be as deadly in America as one in Iraq.