It Has Started: Activist Court Rewrites Law

[pknopp]

The freedom of religion clause in the constitution doesn't have an asterisk by it saying "except during a pandemic".

The court finally got something right.

Actually every "right" within the constitution is not absolute, but subject to "compelling government interest".

Right to bear arms - not if you're a felon (compelling govt interest)
Can you yell fire in a crowded theatre? - no (compelling govt interest)
Search and Seizure during commission of a crime - (compelling govt interest)
1st amendment disclosing classified information - (compelling govt interest)

No right is absolute. Such as during a national emergency.

You most certainly can yell fire in a crowded theater.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...g-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/

 

[DukeU]

Nobody is "being attacked." It is not a matter of religion. We all know what the rules are. The trash of all the religions are not following them. I like what the Israeli government did some months ago. A city of predominantly orthodox Jews did not follow the rules. The Israeli government just shut the city down; nobody goes in, nobody goes out. I don't see why people of some religious groups should be allowed to endanger entire communities. Being of a certain religion is not a get-out-of-jail-free, I-can-do-what-ever-I-please card.

You're a bigot.

 

[Crepitus]

Soon they will tell us the preamble isn't really part of the Constitution.

 

[Crepitus]

The freedom of religion clause in the constitution doesn't have an asterisk by it saying "except during a pandemic".

The court finally got something right.

Actually every "right" within the constitution is not absolute, but subject to "compelling government interest".

Right to bear arms - not if you're a felon (compelling govt interest)
Can you yell fire in a crowded theatre? - no (compelling govt interest)
Search and Seizure during commission of a crime - (compelling govt interest)
1st amendment disclosing classified information - (compelling govt interest)

No right is absolute. Such as during a national emergency.

You most certainly can yell fire in a crowded theater.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...g-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/

You can, but you will.face consequences.

 

[pknopp]

The freedom of religion clause in the constitution doesn't have an asterisk by it saying "except during a pandemic".

The court finally got something right.

Actually every "right" within the constitution is not absolute, but subject to "compelling government interest".

Right to bear arms - not if you're a felon (compelling govt interest)
Can you yell fire in a crowded theatre? - no (compelling govt interest)
Search and Seizure during commission of a crime - (compelling govt interest)
1st amendment disclosing classified information - (compelling govt interest)

No right is absolute. Such as during a national emergency.

You most certainly can yell fire in a crowded theater.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...g-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/

You can, but you will.face consequences.

Only if someone gets hurt. You can yell it all day otherwise.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The only reason these religious nuts are pushing for live, inperson services is for these "independent" ministers to get the cash out of the collection plates. They're willing to kill their parishoners for the cash.

So how many of them did you talk to in order to know this?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What exactly to you conservitards think "the general.welfare" is?

As James Madison once said, only those enumerated.

The general welfare is right there in the constitution. Sorry for your luck.

And what James Madison said about general welfare was just that. He said that general welfare in the constitution is limited to what is enumerated. If you don't know what he meant by that, he meant that what's listed in the Constitution, not what any Howdy Doody thinks it means.

 

[Natural Citizen]

With any luck at all, 99.9% of ministers in these critical areas will keep their doors closed and worship on line in order to keep their parishioners safe until the case #'s come down and public health officials give the all clear. Many outbreaks have been tied to church services all over the country. I agree with Kagan on this, all the way. Let's hope it doesn't lead to a slippery slope.

Kagan's view is the slippery slope.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nobody is "being attacked." It is not a matter of religion. We all know what the rules are. The trash of all the religions are not following them. I like what the Israeli government did some months ago. A city of predominantly orthodox Jews did not follow the rules. The Israeli government just shut the city down; nobody goes in, nobody goes out. I don't see why people of some religious groups should be allowed to endanger entire communities. Being of a certain religion is not a get-out-of-jail-free, I-can-do-what-ever-I-please card.

And that's what's unconstitutional about it. It violates our right to peaceful assembly and violates our equal protection under the law rights when the city or state allows strip clubs to operate and not churches.

Restaurant owner shares her frustration over dining ban after film crew sets up craft services next door

"Everything I own is being taken away from me and they set up a movie company right next to my outdoor patio," she says in the video.

abc30.com

 

[airplanemechanic]

sorry comrade but case law has no place when discussing the constitution,,,

The irony of that statement is that the supreme courts ability to determine constituti

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

First Amendment to our Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Fourteenth Amendment, which incorporates the First Amendment (previously held to apply only to the federal government) to all levels of government:

​

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

​

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.​

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Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.​

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Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.​

​

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

And on top of all that, nearly all of these “temporary public health orders” are not actual, valid laws anyway. There is not any jurisdiction anywhere in the United states, where any one individual is given the authority to make law by unilateral dictate. Valid laws must be created through the proper legislative process, or in many states, by putting it on the ballot to a direct vote of the people.

These “temporary public health orders” have not been enacted by any valid method, so they are not laws, we are under no legal obligation to obey them, and no part of government has any legitimate authority to attempt to enforce them.

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Please, show me where temporary health orders have anything to go with congress making laws.

Show me where "public health orders" are constitutional. We are not an oligarchy. We don't have one person making laws. We make laws with legislatures, law making bodies, that present bills and debate them and then vote on them.

Keep in mind, they are "orders" given by a governor, that have absolutely no teeth as they are not passed by a legislature.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The general welfare is right there in the constitution. Sorry for your luck.

The general Welfare is in effect a limit on congress.

I've yet to see any of you quislings get it right, yet pretty much all of you pop off about it.

Here's a snip from one of my previous postings on the topic the last time your brood started tossing the phrase around without so much as a hint of a clue as to what they were talking about....

''The mention of the general Welfare in the Preamble was intended to serve as a limit in effect on the use of those delegated powers.

The only other mention of general Welfare is found in Article I, Sec. 8. There, too, the words were meant to serve as a limit in effect. A limit of the power granted under that clause. It does not empower the congress to spend tax money for any and all purpose arbitrarily on a pretense or even a belief that it is for the general welfare, and certainly not to Individuals and localities.

Congress possesses no ''general legislative authority.'' See Federalist #83, by Hamilton of all people, for clarification.

All who ratified the Constitution were in agreement on the limited and limiting meaning of ''general welfare'' in the Taxing Clause.

As Secretary of the Treasury, Hamilton contended for the first time in 1791 ("Opinion as to the Constitutionality of the Bank of the United States") in favor of a broader interpretation of this clause than he had formerly espoused and broader than that which Madison, with Hamilton's agreement, had presented in 1788 in The Federalist (especially number 41) as reflecting the controlling intent of the Framing Convention, which Madison and Jefferson consistently supported. Hamilton did not claim, however, that this clause gives to the Federal government any power, through taxing-spending, so as in effect to control directly or indirectly anything or anybody, or any activities of the people or of the State governments. Despite his assertion that this clause gives Congress a separate and substantive spending power, Hamilton cautioned expressly (Report on "Manufactures," 1791) that it only authorizes taxing and spending within the limits of what would serve the "general welfare" and does not imply a power to do whatever else should appear to Congress conducive to the "general welfare" that it does "not carry a power to do any other thing not authorized in the Constitution, either expressly or by fair implication."

See also the Supreme Court's 1936 decision ascertaining and defining the original, controlling intent. That would be the 1936 Carter case.

"Congress, entirely apart from those powers delegated by the Constitution, may enact laws to promote the general welfare, have never been accepted but always definitely rejected by this court."

It also decided that the Framing Convention "made no grant of authority to Congress to legislate substantively for the general welfare (citing 1936 Butler case) and no such authority exists, save as the general welfare may be promoted by the exercise of the powers which are granted."

The American people have never amended the Constitution so as to change the limited and limiting meaning of the words "general Welfare" in the Taxing Clause, as originally intended by The Framers and Adopters in 1787-1788.

I'm gonna go ahead and call checkmate ahead of time so the usual suspects know not to waste their time.''

 

[Crepitus]

sorry comrade but case law has no place when discussing the constitution,,,

The irony of that statement is that the supreme courts ability to determine constituti

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

First Amendment to our Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Fourteenth Amendment, which incorporates the First Amendment (previously held to apply only to the federal government) to all levels of government:

​

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

​

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.​

​

Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.​

​

Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.​

​

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

And on top of all that, nearly all of these “temporary public health orders” are not actual, valid laws anyway. There is not any jurisdiction anywhere in the United states, where any one individual is given the authority to make law by unilateral dictate. Valid laws must be created through the proper legislative process, or in many states, by putting it on the ballot to a direct vote of the people.

These “temporary public health orders” have not been enacted by any valid method, so they are not laws, we are under no legal obligation to obey them, and no part of government has any legitimate authority to attempt to enforce them.

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Please, show me where temporary health orders have anything to go with congress making laws.

Show me where "public health orders" are constitutional. We are not an oligarchy. We don't have one person making laws. We make laws with legislatures, law making bodies, that present bills and debate them and then vote on them.

Keep in mind, they are "orders" given by a governor, that have absolutely no teeth as they are not passed by a legislature.

Lol, show me where they aren't! The constitution lays out the powers of the federal government and specifically says everything else is left to go the states. It's very clear.

 

[pknopp]

sorry comrade but case law has no place when discussing the constitution,,,

The irony of that statement is that the supreme courts ability to determine constituti

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

First Amendment to our Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Fourteenth Amendment, which incorporates the First Amendment (previously held to apply only to the federal government) to all levels of government:

​

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

​

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.​

​

Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.​

​

Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.​

​

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

And on top of all that, nearly all of these “temporary public health orders” are not actual, valid laws anyway. There is not any jurisdiction anywhere in the United states, where any one individual is given the authority to make law by unilateral dictate. Valid laws must be created through the proper legislative process, or in many states, by putting it on the ballot to a direct vote of the people.

These “temporary public health orders” have not been enacted by any valid method, so they are not laws, we are under no legal obligation to obey them, and no part of government has any legitimate authority to attempt to enforce them.

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Please, show me where temporary health orders have anything to go with congress making laws.

Show me where "public health orders" are constitutional. We are not an oligarchy. We don't have one person making laws. We make laws with legislatures, law making bodies, that present bills and debate them and then vote on them.

Keep in mind, they are "orders" given by a governor, that have absolutely no teeth as they are not passed by a legislature.

Lol, show me where they aren't! The constitution lays out the powers of the federal government and specifically says everything else is left to go the states. It's very clear.

The 14th made that moot. The 14th made all requirements on the Federal government apply also to the states.

 

[Crepitus]

Show me where "public health orders" are constitutional

No. Show me where they aren't. The constitution lays out the powers of the Federal government and specifically leaves everything else to the states. It's very clear.

 

[Crepitus]

sorry comrade but case law has no place when discussing the constitution,,,

The irony of that statement is that the supreme courts ability to determine constituti

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

First Amendment to our Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Fourteenth Amendment, which incorporates the First Amendment (previously held to apply only to the federal government) to all levels of government:

​

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

​

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.​

​

Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.​

​

Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.​

​

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

And on top of all that, nearly all of these “temporary public health orders” are not actual, valid laws anyway. There is not any jurisdiction anywhere in the United states, where any one individual is given the authority to make law by unilateral dictate. Valid laws must be created through the proper legislative process, or in many states, by putting it on the ballot to a direct vote of the people.

These “temporary public health orders” have not been enacted by any valid method, so they are not laws, we are under no legal obligation to obey them, and no part of government has any legitimate authority to attempt to enforce them.

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Please, show me where temporary health orders have anything to go with congress making laws.

Show me where "public health orders" are constitutional. We are not an oligarchy. We don't have one person making laws. We make laws with legislatures, law making bodies, that present bills and debate them and then vote on them.

Keep in mind, they are "orders" given by a governor, that have absolutely no teeth as they are not passed by a legislature.

Lol, show me where they aren't! The constitution lays out the powers of the federal government and specifically says everything else is left to go the states. It's very clear.

The 14th made that moot. The 14th made all requirements on the Federal government apply also to the states.

And still there's nothing anywhere prohibiting temporary health orders.

Do you seriously think the founding father would handicap the country by restricting temporary public health iand or safety orders?

Think man! Don't just emote! Use that brain for something besides keeping your head inflated.

 

[pknopp]

sorry comrade but case law has no place when discussing the constitution,,,

The irony of that statement is that the supreme courts ability to determine constituti

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

First Amendment to our Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Fourteenth Amendment, which incorporates the First Amendment (previously held to apply only to the federal government) to all levels of government:

​

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

​

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.​

​

Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.​

​

Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.​

​

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

And on top of all that, nearly all of these “temporary public health orders” are not actual, valid laws anyway. There is not any jurisdiction anywhere in the United states, where any one individual is given the authority to make law by unilateral dictate. Valid laws must be created through the proper legislative process, or in many states, by putting it on the ballot to a direct vote of the people.

These “temporary public health orders” have not been enacted by any valid method, so they are not laws, we are under no legal obligation to obey them, and no part of government has any legitimate authority to attempt to enforce them.

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Please, show me where temporary health orders have anything to go with congress making laws.

Show me where "public health orders" are constitutional. We are not an oligarchy. We don't have one person making laws. We make laws with legislatures, law making bodies, that present bills and debate them and then vote on them.

Keep in mind, they are "orders" given by a governor, that have absolutely no teeth as they are not passed by a legislature.

Lol, show me where they aren't! The constitution lays out the powers of the federal government and specifically says everything else is left to go the states. It's very clear.

The 14th made that moot. The 14th made all requirements on the Federal government apply also to the states.

And still there's nothing anywhere prohibiting temporary health orders.

Do you seriously think the founding father would handicap the country by restricting temporary public health iand or safety orders?

Think man! Don't just emote! Use that brain for something besides keeping your head inflated.

Our rights all have negative aspects. But all the same the reasons these are overturned is because they are not equally applied for the most part. We can pack an airplane full of people but people can't go to church.

 

[badger2]

A Massachusetts Bay Colony replay.

 

[airplanemechanic]

sorry comrade but case law has no place when discussing the constitution,,,

The irony of that statement is that the supreme courts ability to determine constituti

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

First Amendment to our Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Fourteenth Amendment, which incorporates the First Amendment (previously held to apply only to the federal government) to all levels of government:

​

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

​

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.​

​

Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.​

​

Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.​

​

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

And on top of all that, nearly all of these “temporary public health orders” are not actual, valid laws anyway. There is not any jurisdiction anywhere in the United states, where any one individual is given the authority to make law by unilateral dictate. Valid laws must be created through the proper legislative process, or in many states, by putting it on the ballot to a direct vote of the people.

These “temporary public health orders” have not been enacted by any valid method, so they are not laws, we are under no legal obligation to obey them, and no part of government has any legitimate authority to attempt to enforce them.

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Please, show me where temporary health orders have anything to go with congress making laws.

Show me where "public health orders" are constitutional. We are not an oligarchy. We don't have one person making laws. We make laws with legislatures, law making bodies, that present bills and debate them and then vote on them.

Keep in mind, they are "orders" given by a governor, that have absolutely no teeth as they are not passed by a legislature.

Lol, show me where they aren't! The constitution lays out the powers of the federal government and specifically says everything else is left to go the states. It's very clear.

Um, "everything else" doesn't mean making laws and bypassing congress.

So no, show me where it's constitutional to make "health orders" out of the blue. Things are by default unconstitutional unless the constitution allows them.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Lol, show me where they aren't! The constitution lays out the powers of the federal government and specifically says everything else is left to go the states. It's very clear.

That's not what it says.

Note well that the Tenth Amendment, which reserves to the states or to the people those powers not explicitly designated to the federal government, makes mention of powers prohibited to the states. Especially under incorporation under the Fourteenth Amendment, such prohibited powers would include any that violate any of the rights asserted in the Bill of Rights.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Lol, show me where they aren't! The constitution lays out the powers of the federal government and specifically says everything else is left to go the states. It's very clear.

Show me where "public health orders" are constitutional

No. Show me where they aren't. The constitution lays out the powers of the Federal government and specifically leaves everything else to the states. It's very clear.

Repeating a lie does not make it true.