It is so simple...

[Maxdeath]

Let's go along with the notion that Mueller's investigation is indeed a witch hunt. Let's go along with the notion that there was no collusion, no obstruction and nothing was done that was illegal.

Let's accept all that for the purpose of this simple question: Why wouldn't Trump, or anyone so 'framed' not run to the offices of the Special Counsel and lay out everything so the investigation could be shown as illegitimate? Why not clear everything up by laying forth your case?

Some say that would be a perjury trap. Well, isn't the best way to avoid perjury is to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? It's really that simple.

So it boils down to this speculation that is not too tough to arrive at. Do you trust Trump to tell the truth?

He has a casual acquaintance with telling the truth. He is loquacious, hyperbolic and tends to exaggerate his accomplishments and qualities.

If you trust Trump to meet secretly with the likes of Putin and Kim without a written record, why can't he be trusted to tell his side of the story to Robert Mueller?

Pretty damn simple, for almost any other president.

So you want someone to prove a negative? He has said publicly there was no attempt by him and the Russians to change or influence the election. What is he supposed to do? How can he prove that he did not talk to someone? There is no tape of a conversation that never happened. There is no video of meetings that never happened. There are no witnesses to call or written contracts showing that he had no contract with Russians. So you have to admit that you are just attempting to talk in circles in the hopes someone will think you have a point.
No one should be talking with Mueller as if you say six months and he can prove it was five since you last started your car he could bring charges of lying under oath.

So you trust Trump to always tell the truth?

More then Pelosi, Watters or Schumer. But look at it this way. Trump has been under investigation for over two years if you count the time that the government had Paige under investigation. Because of wiretapes on Paige and surveillance by extension everyone that came in contact with him was under surveillance. By listening to wiretapes on Paige they also had Trump on wiretape when he spoke to Paige. Now you consider that NO ONE has been brought up on charges of conspiracy to change the election in anyway makes one wonder. Oh and not interested in that stupid bull of we don't know what Mueller has. If he had anything on Trump about the election he would be yelling it from the roof tops.

We have evidence that others including top officials tried to interfere.
Mueller has brought indictments against Russians that he thought would never show in a U.S. court. When some of them said ok let's go to court he said oh I was only joking.

The Russians got the biggest part of what they had hoped for. They wanted to sow discord, hate and discontent among the American public. They got that in spades. They did get more sanctions and more were added because of the novachuck attack. I don't think they were hoping for that.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Let's go along with the notion that Mueller's investigation is indeed a witch hunt. Let's go along with the notion that there was no collusion, no obstruction and nothing was done that was illegal.

Let's accept all that for the purpose of this simple question: Why wouldn't Trump, or anyone so 'framed' not run to the offices of the Special Counsel and lay out everything so the investigation could be shown as illegitimate? Why not clear everything up by laying forth your case?

Some say that would be a perjury trap. Well, isn't the best way to avoid perjury is to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? It's really that simple.

So it boils down to this speculation that is not too tough to arrive at. Do you trust Trump to tell the truth?

He has a casual acquaintance with telling the truth. He is loquacious, hyperbolic and tends to exaggerate his accomplishments and qualities.

If you trust Trump to meet secretly with the likes of Putin and Kim without a written record, why can't he be trusted to tell his side of the story to Robert Mueller?

Pretty damn simple, for almost any other president.

Dipshit, it's not that easy. They could pay a witness to contradict Trump, then it would take forever to get to the bottom of it. I mean the DoJ still doesn't realease the stuff congress asked for....so no....I don't trust Mueller and the DC swamp at all. Fuck those people.

 

[jc456]

Tell the truth about what? When you consider that the former president managed to invoke an unusual form of executive privilege to prevent his IRS chief from testifying about using the IRS to punish political enemies and there wasn't a soul in the media or the liberal establishment who thought that was unusual, why in the world would it be unusual for the President to avoid testifying in a freaking witch hunt that has no bearing on the original allegations?

Let's set aside the Obama administration because there was not a Special Prosecutor or a Grand Jury impaneled. Instead, let's deal with the here and now and this president, his legal and considerable political issues with this Special Prosecutor Grand Jury.

nor has this president.

 

[Maxdeath]

He’s not and he’s doing a great job...pissing off Liberals.
Face it, you feel sorry for “Darkie”.
You’re a racist.

Is "pissing off Liberals" an article of governance?

And I don't follow you 'racist' slam. Are you trying to dilute racism in order to make a clumsy political point?

Liberals are racists because they believe the underclass can’t get their act together.

I wonder how Trump would react as you are calling him a member of an underclass? What is an underclass? Is there a superior class? And how is that determined? Who determines it? What part of American justice litigates an underclass and a superior class?

That’s the retard post of the day.
Your hatred of Trump stems from his desire to MAGA and you simply want to give away our country with open borders, welfare and food stamps.

No. My hatred of Trump stems from his highly flawed character. His loose connection with truth and facts. His comportment that is embarrassing to everyone who was brought up with a moral compass.

And policy is not a zero sum game. I want immigrants treated as human beings, but that does not mean open borders. I want the disadvantaged cared for because A,erican citizens should not have to chose between starvation or not, maintaining life or dying.

I don't know why some folks can't fathom a better way to treat citizens, or discard them like so much rubbish.

It's that division, deepened by Trump, his hatful rhetoric and the inability of his supporters to think beyond bumper sticker thinking that drives my hate for the current occupant of the White House.

I happen to agree with you we should not only continue to give out welfare, free healthcare and all the other social programs needed so that people who do not want to work or want only to work menial jobs, but we should bring in more to spend that money on. When our taxes can no longer support welfare and all the other social programs then we can borrow more heavily until the U.S. is considered less then junk bond status then we can all sit around and be miserable together.

There are people on welfare because work is too stressful, they can get more money for their children then they can get working, they do not need to take a drug test as they would if they worked and a host of other reasons. Yet there are companies that are crying for workers. One state was willing to pay to have people move there to work.

 

[jc456]

Absent charges there is no case.

So it's up to Mueller to go to the grand jury and indict the president in order to make a case? Couldn't Trump clear everything up by laying out his side to Mueller, thereby closing down the whole thing?

If we go along with the notion that there is no collusion, no obstruction and nothing was done that was illegal, then there is nothing to lay down before Mueller. This thread is pointless.

Wouldn't Trump want to tell his side clearly, honestly and openly? In order to make all those assumptions of no collusion, no obstruction and nothing done out of legal bounds, wouldn't it be best for all concerned to clear this up?

So we are not going along with the notion that he is innocent?

In that case, the onus isn't on him to prove his innocence. Innocent men get convicted by overzealous prosecutors quite frequently.

No. Let's grant Trump the cornerstone of American jurisprudence. He is innocent until proven guilty.

But given the fact there is a Special Prosecutor and Grand Jury, couldnyhe simply pour water on the whole thing by cooperating and tell his side of the story?

what grand jury is there?

 

[jc456]

Wouldn't Trump want to tell his side clearly, honestly and openly? In order to make all those assumptions of no collusion, no obstruction and nothing done out of legal bounds, wouldn't it be best for all concerned to clear this up?

Nah. He isn’t losing voters over this.

Why risk it? Lock up a landslide, a true landslide and a mandate?

don't need to. name the crime and reason he should sit with mueller. can you? or are you just a schmuck traitor trying to take out a sitting president? hmmm I think that's your goal. Me thinks I am much fking smarter than you and so it trump and his team.

 

[jc456]

Clinton was indicted. And he testified. There is something about precedent that requires respect.

Clinton went through the same process of impeachment _ not indictment from a civilian jury.

Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

Read about Ken Starr. His investigation was supposed to be about an Arkansas real estate deal and ended with a semen stained dress. Starr subpoenaed President Clinton.

clinton didn't need to abide by it. there was no reason for him to. he was...........STUPID....

 

[jc456]

“Do you trust Trump to tell the truth?”

Of course not.

The truth is an alien concept to Trump – only a fool would trust Trump in any capacity, or one of his blind partisan supporters.

This ^ is a timely answer to the question as to why not to trust a lawyer Nosmo King

The truth, it is said, will set you free. All Trump has to do is tell the truth.

if there isn't anything to be set free from, there is no point in the action. hmmmmm

 

[jc456]

So we are not going along with the notion that he is innocent?

In that case, the onus isn't on him to prove his innocence. Innocent men get convicted by overzealous prosecutors quite frequently.

No. Let's grant Trump the cornerstone of American jurisprudence. He is innocent until proven guilty.

But given the fact there is a Special Prosecutor and Grand Jury, couldnyhe simply pour water on the whole thing by cooperating and tell his side of the story?

Has Mueller implicated him?

Rudy Giuliani and Jay Sekolow seem to think so. Mueller is like a submarine. We don't know where he is going.

But even if Meuller isn't implicating Trump, why wouldn't Trump welcome the chance to tell his story?

If you are not implicated in a crime are you going to go to the prosecutor and explain why he hasn't implicated you in it? Who does that? No one.

Do you think the investigation has anything at all to do with anything that did or did not happen during the 2016 presidential campaign? If not, what do you think the investigation is about?

that is a very fking great QUESTION. what is it about? can you tell us?

 

[jc456]

Two words Mike Flynn he had to plead guilty to making false or misleading statements to the FBI to avoid going bankrupt even though we have discovered the agents questioning him did not believe he was intentionally trying to mislead them. Add to that Mueller had charges brought against Rick Gates and Paul Manafort for things that happened years ago that had absolutely nothing to do with the 2016 election. Given this I can see why Trump wouldn't sit down with Mueller and the only way he should even consider it is if the questions are focused solely on the 2016 election and not things that might have happened ten years or more ago. Our legal system is far from prefect innocent people go to jail and guilty people go free if Trump and his legal team feel it is not in his best interest to sit down with Mueller he shouldn't.

sit down with Mueller for what reason? no one has stated the reason for a sit down.

 

[jc456]

Has Mueller implicated him?

Rudy Giuliani and Jay Sekolow seem to think so. Mueller is like a submarine. We don't know where he is going.

But even if Meuller isn't implicating Trump, why wouldn't Trump welcome the chance to tell his story?

If you are not implicated in a crime are you going to go to the prosecutor and explain why he hasn't implicated you in it? Who does that? No one.

Do you think the investigation has anything at all to do with anything that did or did not happen during the 2016 presidential campaign? If not, what do you think the investigation is about?

The investigation is to find out if there was any impropriety on behalf of people connected with the Trump campaign. As far as I know Trump has not been personally implicated by Mueller.

All the more reason. For Trump to honestly tell his side of the story.

And the scope of the investigation is to reveal precisely what the Russians had to do with election chicanery

all the more reason for what? tell trump what the discussion is for. that seems reasonable since he isn't charged or implicated. what is it do you think he needs to hear? I fking really wish you knew the US constitution. but alas, here we are. your stupid is duly noted.

 

[jc456]

All politicians are polite...polite liars.

But the people say they voted for Trump because he is not a politician! He was elected to shake things up and bring integrity to politics.

Or is Trump a giant with clay feet?

He’s not and he’s doing a great job...pissing off Liberals.
Face it, you feel sorry for “Darkie”.
You’re a racist.

Is "pissing off Liberals" an article of governance?

And I don't follow you 'racist' slam. Are you trying to dilute racism in order to make a clumsy political point?

Liberals are racists because they believe the underclass can’t get their act together.

I wonder how Trump would react as you are calling him a member of an underclass? What is an underclass? Is there a superior class? And how is that determined? Who determines it? What part of American justice litigates an underclass and a superior class?

well definitely we know there is your class, stupid.

 

[jc456]

Two words Mike Flynn he had to plead guilty to making false or misleading statements to the FBI to avoid going bankrupt even though we have discovered the agents questioning him did not believe he was intentionally trying to mislead them. Add to that Mueller had charges brought against Rick Gates and Paul Manafort for things that happened years ago that had absolutely nothing to do with the 2016 election. Given this I can see why Trump wouldn't sit down with Mueller and the only way he should even consider it is if the questions are focused solely on the 2016 election and not things that might have happened ten years or more ago. Our legal system is far from prefect innocent people go to jail and guilty people go free if Trump and his legal team feel it is not in his best interest to sit down with Mueller he shouldn't.

We're waiting for the other indictments against Manafort to come to trial.

ain't happening. this case will be dropped Monday.

 

[Marion Morrison]

"Trump hurt my butt" thread #16,979.

Op is a faggot.

 

[Marion Morrison]

All politicians are polite...polite liars.

They’re just liars

I was trying to be nice....for the delicate Liberals.

no more, they are all asshats.

The old classic Liberals aren't, so much. But yeah, fuck that shit. It's time to move on with America.

 

[jc456]

So ridiculous already. Supposedly Russia messed around with our elections under the nose of Barak Obama. But somehow, Trump with no political connections at the time was to blame.

They broke into the DNC computers under DumBama and the DNC refused to let the FBI examine the contents. Gee, I wonder why? I mean, if Russia really did it, the FBI should document that, don't you think?

Instead they hired a private firm to examine the problem and it was they who determined it was hacked by the Russians. HTF was Trump responsible for that?

the fbi did not hire a private firm, the DNC did. their own people...LOFL. Yeah and our great intelligence didn't look. hmmmm I thought they were paid by us to work for us. I demand they look at that server. HEAR ME ROSENSTEIN?

 

[jc456]

Let's go along with the notion that Mueller's investigation is indeed a witch hunt. Let's go along with the notion that there was no collusion, no obstruction and nothing was done that was illegal.

Let's accept all that for the purpose of this simple question: Why wouldn't Trump, or anyone so 'framed' not run to the offices of the Special Counsel and lay out everything so the investigation could be shown as illegitimate? Why not clear everything up by laying forth your case?

Some say that would be a perjury trap. Well, isn't the best way to avoid perjury is to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? It's really that simple.

So it boils down to this speculation that is not too tough to arrive at. Do you trust Trump to tell the truth?

He has a casual acquaintance with telling the truth. He is loquacious, hyperbolic and tends to exaggerate his accomplishments and qualities.

If you trust Trump to meet secretly with the likes of Putin and Kim without a written record, why can't he be trusted to tell his side of the story to Robert Mueller?

Pretty damn simple, for almost any other president.

So you want someone to prove a negative? He has said publicly there was no attempt by him and the Russians to change or influence the election. What is he supposed to do? How can he prove that he did not talk to someone? There is no tape of a conversation that never happened. There is no video of meetings that never happened. There are no witnesses to call or written contracts showing that he had no contract with Russians. So you have to admit that you are just attempting to talk in circles in the hopes someone will think you have a point.
No one should be talking with Mueller as if you say six months and he can prove it was five since you last started your car he could bring charges of lying under oath.

So you trust Trump to always tell the truth?

what does that matter?

 

[jc456]

He’s not and he’s doing a great job...pissing off Liberals.
Face it, you feel sorry for “Darkie”.
You’re a racist.

Is "pissing off Liberals" an article of governance?

And I don't follow you 'racist' slam. Are you trying to dilute racism in order to make a clumsy political point?

Liberals are racists because they believe the underclass can’t get their act together.

I wonder how Trump would react as you are calling him a member of an underclass? What is an underclass? Is there a superior class? And how is that determined? Who determines it? What part of American justice litigates an underclass and a superior class?

That’s the retard post of the day.
Your hatred of Trump stems from his desire to MAGA and you simply want to give away our country with open borders, welfare and food stamps.

No. My hatred of Trump stems from his highly flawed character. His loose connection with truth and facts. His comportment that is embarrassing to everyone who was brought up with a moral compass.

And policy is not a zero sum game. I want immigrants treated as human beings, but that does not mean open borders. I want the disadvantaged cared for because A,erican citizens should not have to chose between starvation or not, maintaining life or dying.

I don't know why some folks can't fathom a better way to treat citizens, or discard them like so much rubbish.

It's that division, deepened by Trump, his hatful rhetoric and the inability of his supporters to think beyond bumper sticker thinking that drives my hate for the current occupant of the White House.

too fking bad!!!!

 

[EGR one]

So it's up to Mueller to go to the grand jury and indict the president in order to make a case? Couldn't Trump clear everything up by laying out his side to Mueller, thereby closing down the whole thing?

No need absent charges.

A sitting president can’t be indicted. A sitting president can be impeached.

Mueller should complete the investigation and let Congress act.

Clinton was indicted. And he testified. There is something about precedent that requires respect.

A precedent that requires a lot of respect, is that any person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. When you begin to respect that precedent, we can talk.

 

[jc456]

Liberals are racists because they believe the underclass can’t get their act together.

I wonder how Trump would react as you are calling him a member of an underclass? What is an underclass? Is there a superior class? And how is that determined? Who determines it? What part of American justice litigates an underclass and a superior class?

That’s the retard post of the day.
Your hatred of Trump stems from his desire to MAGA and you simply want to give away our country with open borders, welfare and food stamps.

No. My hatred of Trump stems from his highly flawed character. His loose connection with truth and facts. His comportment that is embarrassing to everyone who was brought up with a moral compass.

And policy is not a zero sum game. I want immigrants treated as human beings, but that does not mean open borders. I want the disadvantaged cared for because A,erican citizens should not have to chose between starvation or not, maintaining life or dying.

I don't know why some folks can't fathom a better way to treat citizens, or discard them like so much rubbish.

It's that division, deepened by Trump, his hatful rhetoric and the inability of his supporters to think beyond bumper sticker thinking that drives my hate for the current occupant of the White House.

How is he mistreating citizens?

You don’t know Nosmo.
The name shoule be KnowsNot.

or knowsnothing