It just dawned on me? God didnt create sin

[occupied]

Sin was created when God said "Do this and don't do that". He made it a rigged system when he created beings that often find "sins" to be pleasurable. The creation story has it right in there where he baited Adam and Eve with the fruit of a tree and then created a serpent to tempt them. It was a set-up from the beginning.

Ah yes, but God gave some of US intelligence that we are supposed to use, instead of acting like animals (like a liberal) and seeking pleasures unnaturally. That is where God gave US a choice, follow Lucifer or follow the 10 Commandments. Do you follow Lucifer?

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

Opening page - Dedication
“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

Why else do you see liberals constantly attacking the morals of good men who want to keep the Commandments out where people can see them?

Too bad being a judgemental jackass is not a sin, oh wait, it is. See you in Hell.

Bwaaaahhhaaaaaaa...Judgemental? No way this is the United States where people have "supposedly" freedom to express their opinions. Now we all know lately that some people have more freedoms than others to express their opinions. Also we know that some people will never accept personal responsibility for their immoral actions either.

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You poor little persecuted baby. It's like Hitler all over again. You think you should be able to say any kind of retarded hateful bullshit and never be called out for it.

wow, comparing me to Hitler who was a Socialist who killed millions while i said that immoral actions are bad? See picture again, you fucking worthless liberal.

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Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Sin was created when God said "Do this and don't do that". He made it a rigged system when he created beings that often find "sins" to be pleasurable. The creation story has it right in there where he baited Adam and Eve with the fruit of a tree and then created a serpent to tempt them. It was a set-up from the beginning.

Ah yes, but God gave some of US intelligence that we are supposed to use, instead of acting like animals (like a liberal) and seeking pleasures unnaturally. That is where God gave US a choice, follow Lucifer or follow the 10 Commandments. Do you follow Lucifer?

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

Opening page - Dedication
“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

Why else do you see liberals constantly attacking the morals of good men who want to keep the Commandments out where people can see them?

Too bad being a judgemental jackass is not a sin, oh wait, it is. See you in Hell.

Bwaaaahhhaaaaaaa...Judgemental? No way this is the United States where people have "supposedly" freedom to express their opinions. Now we all know lately that some people have more freedoms than others to express their opinions. Also we know that some people will never accept personal responsibility for their immoral actions either.

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You poor little persecuted baby. It's like Hitler all over again. You think you should be able to say any kind of retarded hateful bullshit and never be called out for it.

wow, comparing me to Hitler who was a Socialist who killed millions while i said that immoral actions are bad? See picture again, you fucking worthless liberal.

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Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

Bwaaahhhaaaaaaaaa..Your IQ is abysmal...Hell a box of rocks is smarter than you.

 

[occupied]

Sin was created when God said "Do this and don't do that". He made it a rigged system when he created beings that often find "sins" to be pleasurable. The creation story has it right in there where he baited Adam and Eve with the fruit of a tree and then created a serpent to tempt them. It was a set-up from the beginning.

Ah yes, but God gave some of US intelligence that we are supposed to use, instead of acting like animals (like a liberal) and seeking pleasures unnaturally. That is where God gave US a choice, follow Lucifer or follow the 10 Commandments. Do you follow Lucifer?

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

Opening page - Dedication
“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

Why else do you see liberals constantly attacking the morals of good men who want to keep the Commandments out where people can see them?

Too bad being a judgemental jackass is not a sin, oh wait, it is. See you in Hell.

Bwaaaahhhaaaaaaa...Judgemental? No way this is the United States where people have "supposedly" freedom to express their opinions. Now we all know lately that some people have more freedoms than others to express their opinions. Also we know that some people will never accept personal responsibility for their immoral actions either.

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You poor little persecuted baby. It's like Hitler all over again. You think you should be able to say any kind of retarded hateful bullshit and never be called out for it.

wow, comparing me to Hitler who was a Socialist who killed millions while i said that immoral actions are bad? See picture again, you fucking worthless liberal.

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Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

Bwaaahhhaaaaaaaaa..Your IQ is abysmal...Hell a box of rocks is smarter than you.

Since you have appointed yourself defender of the faith you might want to stop acting like an asshole. The decline of religion in this country is due mostly to churches being inhabited by holier than thou assholes. Defend your faith by example rather than using the bible for nothing more than a blunt object to hit people with.

 

[james bond]

God made the rules

How is bringing angels a sin? God did much worse things than Lucifer ever did. God killed innocent children, puppies and kittens. God killed the first born of Egypt.

What did Lucifer ever do that is comparable?

Lucifer created sin by using his free will to disobey God.

ETA: "They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart." Ephesians 4:18

The other weird part is as an atheist you believe in God and Lucifer when God gets the blame. That is a violation of God's first commandment of placing false gods and idols to blame before God. You worship no God which means Satan.

 

[occupied]

God made the rules

How is bringing angels a sin? God did much worse things than Lucifer ever did. God killed innocent children, puppies and kittens. God killed the first born of Egypt.

What did Lucifer ever do that is comparable?

Lucifer created sin by using his free will to disobey God.

Genesis never names the serpent as Satan. He was merely the most cunning creature God had made. The fruit of the tree gave the eater the knowledge of the opposites. Life-death, good-evil, naked-clothed, and so forth. Apparently the serpent already knew all this. In Genesis the serpent is nothing more than a plot device. If taken literally the serpent was god himself or least a creature created expressly to set up Adam and Eve for a fall. Our fall from grace was a preordained con-job. A way to put the blame for this fucked-up existence on man rather than God.

 

[james bond]

Genesis never names the serpent as Satan. He was merely the most cunning creature God had made. The fruit of the tree gave the eater the knowledge of the opposites. Life-death, good-evil, naked-clothed, and so forth. Apparently the serpent already knew all this. In Genesis the serpent is nothing more than a plot device. If taken literally the serpent was god himself or least a creature created expressly to set up Adam and Eve for a fall. Our fall from grace was a preordained con-job. A way to put the blame for this fucked-up existence on man rather than God.

Wrong. Atheists are usually wrong.

It's made clear in Revelation who the serpent was.

"And tthe great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world — he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." Revelation 12:9

"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years" Revelation 20:2

This is evidence for Satan as he wants to hide and he has pulled the wool over your eyes.

 

[rightwinger]

God made the rules

How is bringing angels a sin? God did much worse things than Lucifer ever did. God killed innocent children, puppies and kittens. God killed the first born of Egypt.

What did Lucifer ever do that is comparable?

Lucifer created sin by using his free will to disobey God.

ETA: "They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart." Ephesians 4:18

The other weird part is as an atheist you believe in God and Lucifer when God gets the blame. That is a violation of God's first commandment of placing false gods and idols to blame before God. You worship no God which means Satan.

God created sin by making the rules

 

[Missourian]

Nor was Eve the first, it was Lucifer an angel who did the first sin in heaven, when he brought other fallen angels with him

Is the Bible the whole story? Or just the chapter that covers the history of the Covenant and the Earth?

 

[Missourian]

God created sin by making the rules

I don't think so. The government doesn't create the crimes by passing laws. People commit crimes and the government enacts laws to punish them for those crimes. The law didn't create thieves and murderers.

 

[occupied]

Genesis never names the serpent as Satan. He was merely the most cunning creature God had made. The fruit of the tree gave the eater the knowledge of the opposites. Life-death, good-evil, naked-clothed, and so forth. Apparently the serpent already knew all this. In Genesis the serpent is nothing more than a plot device. If taken literally the serpent was god himself or least a creature created expressly to set up Adam and Eve for a fall. Our fall from grace was a preordained con-job. A way to put the blame for this fucked-up existence on man rather than God.

Wrong. Atheists are usually wrong.

It's made clear in Revelation who the serpent was.

"And tthe great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world — he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." Revelation 12:9

"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years" Revelation 20:2

This is evidence for Satan as he wants to hide and he has pulled the wool over your eyes.

The time span between the writing of Genesis and Revelation was 1500 years or so. The concept of Satan evolved slowly over time and was not really a big thing until the dark ages. Ancient man believed that God had a dual nature just like man, mostly good but also sometimes selfish, jealous, malicious and cruel. Satan arose only after churches decided that the last vestiges of paganism had to go. He represented the old ways of natural animistic spirituality practiced by primitive societies. These days Satan serves as the scapegoat for our poor control over our animal side that just wants to fight, eat, and screw.

 

[james bond]

Genesis never names the serpent as Satan. He was merely the most cunning creature God had made. The fruit of the tree gave the eater the knowledge of the opposites. Life-death, good-evil, naked-clothed, and so forth. Apparently the serpent already knew all this. In Genesis the serpent is nothing more than a plot device. If taken literally the serpent was god himself or least a creature created expressly to set up Adam and Eve for a fall. Our fall from grace was a preordained con-job. A way to put the blame for this fucked-up existence on man rather than God.

Wrong. Atheists are usually wrong.

It's made clear in Revelation who the serpent was.

"And tthe great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world — he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." Revelation 12:9

"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years" Revelation 20:2

This is evidence for Satan as he wants to hide and he has pulled the wool over your eyes.

The time span between the writing of Genesis and Revelation was 1500 years or so. The concept of Satan evolved slowly over time and was not really a big thing until the dark ages. Ancient man believed that God had a dual nature just like man, mostly good but also sometimes selfish, jealous, malicious and cruel. Satan arose only after churches decided that the last vestiges of paganism had to go. He represented the old ways of natural animistic spirituality practiced by primitive societies. These days Satan serves as the scapegoat for our poor control over our animal side that just wants to fight, eat, and screw.

Even back then Satan was working hard to prevent the Bible from being written. It isn't until Revelation, that it is made clear who the serpent was. Today, it is Satan and even non-believers believe that. We have had the Church of Satan and The Satanic Temple today.

Again, the atheists believe in God when they want to blame him for something while Satan is worshiped as a political idol by the Satanic Temple members. It goes to show free will exists and that Satan shows up every now and then. He's always tempting humans tho 24/7.

 

[rightwinger]

God created sin by making the rules

I don't think so. The government doesn't create the crimes by passing laws. People commit crimes and the government enacts laws to punish them for those crimes. The law didn't create thieves and murderers.

Government made them a crime

 

[occupied]

Genesis never names the serpent as Satan. He was merely the most cunning creature God had made. The fruit of the tree gave the eater the knowledge of the opposites. Life-death, good-evil, naked-clothed, and so forth. Apparently the serpent already knew all this. In Genesis the serpent is nothing more than a plot device. If taken literally the serpent was god himself or least a creature created expressly to set up Adam and Eve for a fall. Our fall from grace was a preordained con-job. A way to put the blame for this fucked-up existence on man rather than God.

Wrong. Atheists are usually wrong.

It's made clear in Revelation who the serpent was.

"And tthe great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world — he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." Revelation 12:9

"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years" Revelation 20:2

This is evidence for Satan as he wants to hide and he has pulled the wool over your eyes.

The time span between the writing of Genesis and Revelation was 1500 years or so. The concept of Satan evolved slowly over time and was not really a big thing until the dark ages. Ancient man believed that God had a dual nature just like man, mostly good but also sometimes selfish, jealous, malicious and cruel. Satan arose only after churches decided that the last vestiges of paganism had to go. He represented the old ways of natural animistic spirituality practiced by primitive societies. These days Satan serves as the scapegoat for our poor control over our animal side that just wants to fight, eat, and screw.

Even back then Satan was working hard to prevent the Bible from being written. It isn't until Revelation, that it is made clear who the serpent was. Today, it is Satan and even non-believers believe that. We have had the Church of Satan and The Satanic Temple today.

Again, the atheists believe in God when they want to blame him for something while Satan is worshiped as a political idol by the Satanic Temple members. It goes to show free will exists and that Satan shows up every now and then. He's always tempting humans tho 24/7.

There is no need for a Satan as long as humans get greedy, hungry, horny or angry. That stuff comes from inside you and not from some red, scaly imp with a pitchfork. Satanists are a weird bunch to be sure but they are mostly humanists who don't really believe in any supernatural being or moral absolutes. In their own way they are fighting the evil of religious orthodoxy and theocracy. That's the stuff that gets people and governments doing terrible things in the name of God. Organized Satanism never, ever tried to tell you who to despise, shun or kill. The "good" religions all do.

 

[MAGAman]

''sinning'' is ''natural....everyone ''''sins'''..we can't help it = natural

Actually, we can help it. We just choose not to.

Anything you can't help isn't a sin.

 

[james bond]

There is no need for a Satan as long as humans get greedy, hungry, horny or angry

The evidence for Satan is that he is tempting humans to be greedy, gluttinous (being hungry isn't a sin), lust (being horny isn't a sin), or angry. You forgot pride or boastfulness, laziness, and jealousy. There are more such as arrogance, false witnesses, lying, murder and killing, evil plotters, one who stirs up dissension, but who can keep track?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There is no such thing as sin. Put away the children's toys, you are adults, now.

 

[occupied]

There is no need for a Satan as long as humans get greedy, hungry, horny or angry

The evidence for Satan is that he is tempting humans to be greedy, gluttinous (being hungry isn't a sin), lust (being horny isn't a sin), or angry. You forgot pride or boastfulness, laziness, and jealousy. There are more such as arrogance, false witnesses, lying, murder and killing, evil plotters, one who stirs up dissension, but who can keep track?

All the stuff you listed are extensions of our primitive urges. Religions give followers acceptable paths to satisfy those urges in return for blind obedience. They also make it just fine to rain death on the unbelievers, enslave the savages and treat women like property. Sins are highly dependent on who is being sinned against. God is there to bless our evil against the outsider/unbeliever as much as to keep us from doing evil within our circle of faith. It's all very tribal and has no place in modern society.

 

[harmonica]

''sinning'' is ''natural....everyone ''''sins'''..we can't help it = natural

Actually, we can help it. We just choose not to.

Anything you can't help isn't a sin.

so, as I've asked numerous times and just asked Skull, how come males commit 85% of murders? how come females choose so ''wisely''?
--also--to add even more numbers to the overall equation/etc--how come blacks commit murder at four times the rate of whites?

 

[Missourian]

God created sin by making the rules

I don't think so. The government doesn't create the crimes by passing laws. People commit crimes and the government enacts laws to punish them for those crimes. The law didn't create thieves and murderers.

Government made them a crime

If there was no law against stealing for profit...would you feel it be acceptable to steal for profit?

I hope not.

The law didn't create the crime...it merely codified it. Has that process taken on a life of its own...yes...but that is a different topic about the evils of government for us to disaree on.

 

[Missourian]

There is no such thing as sin. Put away the children's toys, you are adults, now.

So it is ok for me to kill you?

I really don't like you at all...and I am old...a few years in prison might not seem so bad in the cost/benefit calculation...especially if in my determination those few years mean a world without you in it.

Hypothetically...of course.