It’s Time to Formally Declare America A Christian Nation.

[Mashmont]

Ha, someone should look into Rome, both Pegan and Christian Rome.

Recent history always looks like the most ______ <insert whatever you want> ever.

And there we are folks.

Outright admission. We do nothing to you, that is force. Force the other way is simply justified.

That is why we do not have a 'Christian nation.' Evil fucks like you just want such to force your religion on everyone else all the while pretending you don't. I am not forcing you to be Christian, just chopping your head off because you committed the sin of having an idol I don't like. Not force at all. Love....

You're making the premise that atheism and Christianity are morally equal. They are not. Atheism involves everything evil, Christianity involves everything good.

 

[Mashmont]

Holy shit batman.

He is using Iran as a guide...

Violent Iran is not a Christian government. It's much closer to atheism.

 

[Bezukhov]

The point is to put this into people's minds that this should be done and why. Every great idea has to be introduced at some point. This was proposed in about the 1860s. It's time to revive it.
And once again, this has nothing to do with attempted forced conversion. Is this the twelfth time I've had to say this? It's about the elimination of a godless atheist government, which I am sure Jesus would want.

Not forced conversion, no. But if you don't convert we'll make life so miserable for you. It's the Christian thing to do. Why didn't Jesus, when He was here, eliminate the Pagan Roman government?

 

[Mashmont]

Not forced conversion, no. But if you don't convert we'll make life so miserable for you. It's the Christian thing to do. Why didn't Jesus, when He was here, eliminate the Pagan Roman government?

Who would be miserable? Those who want to smoke pot? Those who want to kill their babies? Those who want to steal elections? The rest of us would enjoy a much more peaceful productive happy charitable country.

 

[Bezukhov]

Who would be miserable? Those who want to smoke pot? Those who want to kill their babies? Those who want to steal elections? The rest of us would enjoy a much more peaceful productive happy charitable country.

Think of this:

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. John 18:36

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:33

The point is that you're not going to find His Kingdom through an earthly government. Jesus never aspired to worldly office, but you do. That settles it. You're a better Christian than Jesus. Congratulations

 

[Mashmont]

Think of this:

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. John 18:36

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:33

The point is that you're not going to find His Kingdom through an earthly government. Jesus never aspired to worldly office, but you do. That settles it. You're a better Christian than Jesus. Congratulations

So we should acquiesce to an atheist ungodly government? That's absurd to claim Jesus would want that. But you know that, right?

 

[Bezukhov]

So we should acquiesce to an atheist ungodly government? That's absurd to claim Jesus would want that. But you know that, right?

Jesus acquiesced to a pagan government, n'est-ce pas?

 

[Clyde 154]

"Morality" cannot be legislated.....laws do nothing but reflect the morality or lack thereof of any free society. It can be no other way or you are not living in a representative free republic governed by the people but rather you are living in a state that is controlled, at the very least by an "Oligarchy" and at its worst, you are living in a state controlled by despotic force.

The founding fathers had a noble idea.......but as each generation passes, once the politicians figured out they could become wealthy and powerful via manipulating the will of the people (through targeted taxes) the US was doomed to fail. Its only a matter of time.......void of a total revolution the United States of America will find themselves in the same cesspool as is the majority of the world.......a world controlled primarily by a few rich and powerful banking families, self professed elites (elite because they control both the labor and currency).

The beginning of the end started under the reign of one Woodrow Wilson when the rich conned the people into establishing the Federal Reserve (that is in no way controlled by THE PEOPLE), controlled entirely by those same wealthy elite families.

You people continue to post without reading. For the now tenth time, I said nothing about demanding conversion through force. That is a strawman lie. My plan is simply to allow only laws that do not violate Christian teaching, and to disallow the media complex from advocating an atheist agenda. But if we keep the way we're going and allow atheism to be the law of the land due to the banning of religion, then you'll see your 'forced conversion' Soviet style in due time.

Simply "DO NOT ALLOW"? Nuff said. Just how do you suggest stopping "WE THE PEOPLE" et.al, from reflecting their morals......Christian or otherwise in their "representative laws"...i.e., acts of legislation?

Allow: give permission, as in "I cannot allow you to write any laws other than Christian Laws".

Just where are you going to garner the power to enforce your forced edict where you ALLOW only a Christian Religion? (there is only one way........REVOLUTION). Have you not read nor comprehended the very 1st amendment to the US Constitution........the 1st is a 2 edged sword, it allows for Freedom of Religion........even those religions that do not share Christian values. And how is this LAW OF THE LAND ENFORCED? The Federal Government is forbidden to enact any law that robs another of this freedom......even the freedom NOT TO BELIEVE. ".........and CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW........" What congress? The U.S. Congress, the very body that enacts national laws.

Read a history book. Christianity was forced upon all peoples of Europe at one time (Catholicism)........and you are demanding that we give the Federal Government the same authority that our founders ran from in order to build a nation that allows FREEDOM of RELIGION? You do not ALLOW anyone to accept or reject Christianity as long as "freedom" is to exist........you lead by example.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Simply "DO NOT ALLOW"? Nuff said. Just how do you suggest stopping "WE THE PEOPLE" et.al, from reflecting their morals......Christian or otherwise in their "representative laws"...i.e., acts of legislation?

Allow: give permission, as in "I cannot allow you to write any laws other than Christian Laws".

Just where are you going to garner the power to enforce your forced edict where you ALLOW only a Christian Religion? (there is only one way........REVOLUTION). Have you not read nor comprehended the very 1st amendment to the US Constitution........the 1st is a 2 edged sword, it allows for Freedom of Religion........even those religions that do not share Christian values. And how is this LAW OF THE LAND ENFORCED? The Federal Government is forbidden to enact any law that robs another of this freedom......even the freedom NOT TO BELIEVE. ".........and CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW........" What congress? The U.S. Congress, the very body that enacts national laws.

Read a history book. Christianity was forced upon all peoples of Europe at one time (Catholicism)........and you are demanding that we give the Federal Government the same authority that our founders ran from in order to build a nation that allows FREEDOM of RELIGION?

Should not be a problem. We can throw gays off roofs like Daesh does. God's Will and all.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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my religion teaches me that there is a transmigration of souls. Life begins with the first breath of life. I do not accept the Catholic tenet that life begins at conception and that terminating a pregnancy when a fetus cannot sustain life apart from the mother murders a soul. I do not believe that a soul has been murdered by legal abortion. A soul is a spiritual being. It cannot die. You are passing Christian laws and forcing me to adhere to your religion. I am harmed and not free to practice my religion. What gives you the right to harm me Mashmont ?

 

[Wyatt earp]

my religion teaches me that there is a transmigration of souls. Life begins with the first breath of life. I do not accept the Catholic tenet that life begins at conception and that terminating a pregnancy when a fetus cannot sustain life apart from the mother murders a soul. I do not believe that a soul has been murdered by legal abortion. A soul is a spiritual being. It cannot die. You are passing Christian laws and forcing me to adhere to your religion. I am harmed and not free to practice my religion. What gives you the right to harm me Mashmont ?

What do you have against widows and orphans?

 

[Votto]

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to formally declare America a Christian nation.

If some of the framers intended to separate Church and state (which is not 100% certain), then it’s time to correct that mistake. it’s time for a Constitutional Amendment to declare Christianity the official belief of the United States. Here’s why:

The intent of any such separation was to prevent any single denomination from dominating or punishing members of another through government. The idea was to be religion-neutral. Noble enough. But the framers made a few critical miscalculations: They incorrectly assumed:

1. That “good” laws and “Christian” laws could be separated. They can’t. There is 100% overlap. You can’t have laws that help the people without them being Christian laws.
2. That a belief vacuum is possible in our laws. It isn’t, because the opposite of religion isn’t nothing; it’s atheism.

That’s right. When you attempt to ban Christian laws, you only allow atheist laws.

Examples:
Forcing Christian groups to pay for abortions and birth control for their employees.
Forcing Christian florists, photographers, and bakers to participate in gay weddings.
Distributing condoms in government schools to teens and preteens, suggesting that sex among these immature and obviously unmarried students is morally acceptable.
Using taxpayer funds to pay for abortions abroad.
Banning the Ten Commandments from government buildings (while flying the rainbow flag).
Banning the Nativity Scenes from government buildings.
Government sanction of Kwanzaa celebrations (a made-up racist ‘holiday’).
Disallowing references to Christmas in the public schools.
Teaching Critical Race Theory (which divides people and promotes hate).
Allowing gay marriage.

This is why the left screeches so loudly about “keeping religion out of government”. It’s because they know their atheism gets free reign if it doesn’t have to compete against Christianity.

The solution is two part: First, BAN atheism and atheistic views from being promoted by all media outlets. We’ve had such decency laws before. Hollywood enacted such standards in 1934 (that have since been repealed, unfortunately). Get rid of all the immoral trash in the movies and TV. Disallow the leftwing media from promoting atheist Marxism and other atheist policies. Then, secondly promote a Constitutional Amendment to make Christianity the official belief of the land. Then we end the abortion debate, the race-baiting issue, and the anti-capitalist pro-socialist issue once and for all. The country would once again be following God’s plan, church attendance would rise again, couples would marry instead of cohabitating, the gay marriage ruling would be repealed, families would stay together and be stronger, children would grow up in two-parent homes, so there would be far less crime. And best of all, ALL Marixst atheist disinformation would be stifled, and our children would stop being poisoned by it.

Let’s do it NOW!!

Ben Franklin saw our doom before it got here

“In these sentiments, sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government, but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and believe further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.”

Franklin was not known as a religious person, but he understood the importance of maintaining a moral nation coupled with religion in order to preserve society and the Constitution. For he knew that once morality left society, so would the Constitution.

But how is that done? How do you impose a moral nation? The Founders had come from England where the church preached from the pulpit, with a myriad of abuses associated with it, so the last thing they wanted was the same set up in their new government.

And looking at the abuses of the Catholic church as the Pope once dictated to kings across Europe oppressing Jews and sending crusades, Inquisitions etc., it is apparent that mixing the politics of man with the kingdom of God is not a good combo

Jesus agreed.

John 18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus never ran for political office, why? His kingdom was not of this world and he refused to enter it. Mixing the sin nature of power hungry man with the kingdom of God is a disastrous combo.

Note that Constantine, who made Christianity the official religion of Rome, was not a Christian as he still worshipped the pagan gods of Rome, although it is rumored he converted on his death bed.

But as Christians, are we to abandon the political process altogether? I don't think that is the message either. The message is that God's kingdom is separate from that of the sinful world, but God's kingdom can influence this evil world, which has significantly improved since Christ came into it.

Remember, before Christ charity in helping the poor was basically unheard of, but now it is a common political theme, even if they are disingenuous about it.

The only reason America had any success with giving freedom to men was because it was basically a nation of Christians looking for religious freedom. But once society devolves morally and adopts the morality of a prison cell, freedom can no longer be given to citizens. At that point, all that can be done is build a wall around them and hire a warden.

Would imposing a religion upon people fix this? I doubt it. More than likely, you just return to the oppression the Founders fled.

Also note that the religious leaders put Christ on the cross. Pilate and Rome wanted nothing to do with the crucifixion.,

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What do you have against widows and orphans?



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James 1:27 means nothing to me and your question is related to Christian laws harming me - how?

 

[Wyatt earp]

James 1:27 means nothing to me and your question is related to Christian laws harming me - how?

James 1:27 is the only definition of religion I know.

 

[Mashmont]

Simply "DO NOT ALLOW"? Nuff said. Just how do you suggest stopping "WE THE PEOPLE" et.al, from reflecting their morals......Christian or otherwise in their "representative laws"...i.e., acts of legislation?

Allow: give permission, as in "I cannot allow you to write any laws other than Christian Laws".

Just where are you going to garner the power to enforce your forced edict where you ALLOW only a Christian Religion? (there is only one way........REVOLUTION). Have you not read nor comprehended the very 1st amendment to the US Constitution........the 1st is a 2 edged sword, it allows for Freedom of Religion........even those religions that do not share Christian values. And how is this LAW OF THE LAND ENFORCED? The Federal Government is forbidden to enact any law that robs another of this freedom......even the freedom NOT TO BELIEVE. ".........and CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW........" What congress? The U.S. Congress, the very body that enacts national laws.

Read a history book. Christianity was forced upon all peoples of Europe at one time (Catholicism)........and you are demanding that we give the Federal Government the same authority that our founders ran from in order to build a nation that allows FREEDOM of RELIGION? You do not ALLOW anyone to accept or reject Christianity as long as "freedom" is to exist........you lead by example.

You continue to miss my point. When you ban religion from the government, you allow ATHEISM to become the de facto government religion. And that is what is happening in the United States. And history shows atheist regimes are extremely violent and coercive and FORCE people accept their agenda and attempt to spread its error like a cancer to other countries. This is the exact thing you say you don't want, and yet you're working towards it happening.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You continue to miss my point. When you ban religion from the government, you allow ATHEISM to become the de facto government religion.

That is so embarrassing and stupid. What kind of simpleton says something so dumb?

 

[Mashmont]

Ben Franklin saw our doom before it got here

“In these sentiments, sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government, but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and believe further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.”

Franklin was not known as a religious person, but he understood the importance of maintaining a moral nation coupled with religion in order to preserve society and the Constitution. For he knew that once morality left society, so would the Constitution.

But how is that done? How do you impose a moral nation? The Founders had come from England where the church preached from the pulpit, with a myriad of abuses associated with it, so the last thing they wanted was the same set up in their new government.

And looking at the abuses of the Catholic church as the Pope once dictated to kings across Europe oppressing Jews and sending crusades, Inquisitions etc., it is apparent that mixing the politics of man with the kingdom of God is not a good combo

Jesus agreed.

John 18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus never ran for political office, why? His kingdom was not of this world and he refused to enter it. Mixing the sin nature of power hungry man with the kingdom of God is a disastrous combo.

Note that Constantine, who made Christianity the official religion of Rome, was not a Christian as he still worshipped the pagan gods of Rome, although it is rumored he converted on his death bed.

But as Christians, are we to abandon the political process altogether? I don't think that is the message either. The message is that God's kingdom is separate from that of the sinful world, but God's kingdom can influence this evil world, which has significantly improved since Christ came into it.

Remember, before Christ charity in helping the poor was basically unheard of, but now it is a common political theme, even if they are disingenuous about it.

The only reason America had any success with giving freedom to men was because it was basically a nation of Christians looking for religious freedom. But once society devolves morally and adopts the morality of a prison cell, freedom can no longer be given to citizens. At that point, all that can be done is build a wall around them and hire a warden.

Would imposing a religion upon people fix this? I doubt it. More than likely, you just return to the oppression the Founders fled.

Also note that the religious leaders put Christ on the cross. Pilate and Rome wanted nothing to do with the crucifixion.,

I will point out that practicing Catholics did not commit any of the crimes you mention. Bad people sometimes assume the mantle of Christianity, then bastardize it to justify their actions. But atheists have a much easier clearer path to malevolence. They have a lower starting point. They don't have to posture to justify their evil. They just do it. If we allow our country to be corrupted by atheism and the moral standards lowered, evil is much more prevalent and has a much easier time to take control.

But when you start out as a society with high moral standards, ones that frown upon sex outside marriage, adultery, all things our society opposed in the 1950s, then it's harder for the atheists to get power. Not nearly as many beach heads from which to launch. That's why I think it's important that we return to high moral standards for our country, and we can start that process by restoring moral laws.

 

[Mashmont]

That is so embarrassing and stupid. What kind of simpleton says something so dumb?

You can insult me, you can stamp your feet, and you can throw a tantrum, but you can't tell me how I'm wrong, because if you could, you would have by now.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Tell me how I'm wrong. Nobody has so far.

Atheism is not a religion. Also, o laws are written in the spirit of atheism in this country, despite having a secular government.

The government simply pays no mind to your embarrassing magical superstitions.

Therefore, you're wrong. That wasn't much of a challenge., And this is because the things you say are so goddamn stupid and wrong.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Ben Franklin saw our doom before it got here

“In these sentiments, sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government, but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and believe further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.”

Franklin was not known as a religious person, but he understood the importance of maintaining a moral nation coupled with religion in order to preserve society and the Constitution. For he knew that once morality left society, so would the Constitution.

But how is that done? How do you impose a moral nation? The Founders had come from England where the church preached from the pulpit, with a myriad of abuses associated with it, so the last thing they wanted was the same set up in their new government.

And looking at the abuses of the Catholic church as the Pope once dictated to kings across Europe oppressing Jews and sending crusades, Inquisitions etc., it is apparent that mixing the politics of man with the kingdom of God is not a good combo

Jesus agreed.

John 18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus never ran for political office, why? His kingdom was not of this world and he refused to enter it. Mixing the sin nature of power hungry man with the kingdom of God is a disastrous combo.

Note that Constantine, who made Christianity the official religion of Rome, was not a Christian as he still worshipped the pagan gods of Rome, although it is rumored he converted on his death bed.

But as Christians, are we to abandon the political process altogether? I don't think that is the message either. The message is that God's kingdom is separate from that of the sinful world, but God's kingdom can influence this evil world, which has significantly improved since Christ came into it.

Remember, before Christ charity in helping the poor was basically unheard of, but now it is a common political theme, even if they are disingenuous about it.

The only reason America had any success with giving freedom to men was because it was basically a nation of Christians looking for religious freedom. But once society devolves morally and adopts the morality of a prison cell, freedom can no longer be given to citizens. At that point, all that can be done is build a wall around them and hire a warden.

Would imposing a religion upon people fix this? I doubt it. More than likely, you just return to the oppression the Founders fled.

Also note that the religious leaders put Christ on the cross. Pilate and Rome wanted nothing to do with the crucifixion.,

Ben Franklin was banging chicks left and right.