Jailed for life.

[Divine Wind]

I see you've attempted to change the subject since you know you're wrong, and accused me of saying things I never said. I see you're getting desperate. Well, more like you've been desperate the entire time, because you don't want to admit to spreading false information.

First, you're certainly using lefty tactics. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck... it's most likely a duck. Sure, though, use that as an excuse to avoid debating with me, you've already proven you have nothing in the first place. You're a joke. You spouted left wing propaganda, provided nothing to back it up, I backed up my claim, then you began deflecting and making excuses.

Secondly, let me help you out here. Highlight where I said Trump is a Nazi, highlight where I said his supporters are Nazis, and highlight where I said all of the above means these particular people are Socialist. Resorting to putting words in my mouth, I see. You're just sad. Despite being obviously false, let's say hypothetically that these people DO consider themselves Nazis... in this day and age, the Left has indoctrinated most people into believing it simply means they're 'extreme right' and 'racist', because they've omitted their domestic policies from their 'education'. They likely have no idea what the Nazis were, are Democrat plants to push their propaganda, or are being sarcastic.

Thirdly, I am not old enough to vote, I have never supported Trump, and no, I have never considered myself a Socialist. Why don't you get back on topic instead of changing the subject and deflecting? You still have statements to back up.

You're lack of maturity explains the name-calling. At least you have an excuse, most people on this forum who think intelligent debate is primarily name-calling are 2-3 times your age.

You don't have to call Trump a Socialist or his supporters Socialists. It's simple logic; your argument that Nazis are socialists does it. Is there any doubt Nazis support Trump? If Nazis are Socialists, then Socialists support Trump. If Socialists support Trump, then 1) why? and 2) why aren't more Left Wingers supporting Trump?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I see you've attempted to change the subject since you know you're wrong, and accused me of saying things I never said. I see you're getting desperate. Well, more like you've been desperate the entire time, because you don't want to admit to spreading false information.

First, you're certainly using lefty tactics. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck... it's most likely a duck. Sure, though, use that as an excuse to avoid debating with me, you've already proven you have nothing in the first place. You're a joke. You spouted left wing propaganda, provided nothing to back it up, I backed up my claim, then you began deflecting and making excuses.

Secondly, let me help you out here. Highlight where I said Trump is a Nazi, highlight where I said his supporters are Nazis, and highlight where I said all of the above means these particular people are Socialist. Resorting to putting words in my mouth, I see. You're just sad. Despite being obviously false, let's say hypothetically that these people DO consider themselves Nazis... in this day and age, the Left has indoctrinated most people into believing it simply means they're 'extreme right' and 'racist', because they've omitted their domestic policies from their 'education'. They likely have no idea what the Nazis were, are Democrat plants to push their propaganda, or are being sarcastic.

Thirdly, I am not old enough to vote, I have never supported Trump, and no, I have never considered myself a Socialist. Why don't you get back on topic instead of changing the subject and deflecting? You still have statements to back up.

You're lack of maturity explains the name-calling. At least you have an excuse, most people on this forum who think intelligent debate is primarily name-calling are 2-3 times your age.

You don't have to call Trump a Socialist or his supporters Socialists. It's simple logic; your argument that Nazis are socialists does it. Is there any doubt Nazis support Trump? If Nazis are Socialists, then Socialists support Trump. If Socialists support Trump, then 1) why? and 2) why aren't more Left Wingers supporting Trump?

Actually, you've again failed to address the topic, and just proved that he ISN'T supported by Nazis. Trump is left wing, but he's not a Socialist.

 

[Divine Wind]

Oh sorry I misunderstood
Well I think these people are just nostalgic extreme right wing supporters and nothing more
I don't think they have anything to do with Trump
(Or maybe they were just acting for the cameras who knows!)

No worries. Nostalgic is an interesting adjective applied to them. Yes, they are extreme right wing supporters which is why the equally extreme RWers who claim Nazism = Socialism is so amusing to me.

Left Wingers, mostly of the extremis assholis variety, love to tar Trump with the Nazi brush because fringe group(s) of Nazis support him. This is as false as those who tarred Obama with a similar brush because Black Panthers supported him. My main point was the disconnect between RWNJs who claim Nazis = Socialists then flip-flop and say Trump, along with his Nazi fan club, are RWers.

 

[Divine Wind]

...Trump is left wing, but he's not a Socialist.

Thanks for your input. Can I add this quote to my signature line?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

...Trump is left wing, but he's not a Socialist.

Thanks for your input. Can I add this quote to my signature line?

Sure. Being in someone's sig line makes me feel important. Does this mean you're ducking and running from the subject, since you haven't addressed it at all?

 

[Divine Wind]

Far-right terrorist Thomas Mair jailed for life for Jo Cox murder

I hope that the authorities take some time to explore the influences on this character. It might help us avoid future atrocities.

On the web some say he's just a scapegoat
I really hope this is not true

He's not a scapegoat when he was clearly seen murdering a woman.

Some say it was a "conspiracy" and that man was hypnotized or part of this supposed conspiracy
I know 99% of conspiracy theories are not real but who knows...maybe sometimes you can find a real conspiracy

Russian State Television Peddles Conspiracy Theory On Murder Of Jo Cox

Clear Evidence Killing of British MP Jo Cox Was Politically Motivated

People can't be hypnotized into doing something they don't want to do.

Certain people can be temporarily "brainwashed" into doing something they don't want to do, but without reinforced training, eventually they revert to normal behavior.

Fuck the Russians.

Mair is clearly a nutjob.

 

[Eloy]

Far-right terrorist Thomas Mair jailed for life for Jo Cox murder

I hope that the authorities take some time to explore the influences on this character. It might help us avoid future atrocities.

I do believe that expressing xenophobic and racist opinions by the politicians leading to the Brexit vote lent respectability to the language of hate and encouraged Thomas Mair to act-out his deranged fantasies.

Could you provide some examples of these 'racist and xenophobic opinions as expressed by politicians leading to the Brexit vote'?

It is not so easy to find stuff in the record and post the links here with photos and such. Will three do just for the sake of illustration, I wonder.

1. The poster of refugees which showed only ethnic young men which was used by Nigel Farage to give the impression that crowds of foreigners wanted to migrate en masse which incited racial hatred.

Nigel Farage is now intending to go and live in America. I am sure he will have no trouble doing so legally. Good riddance.

2. "Michael Gove and Boris Johnson [both Tory politicians who led the Brexit campaign] peddled their fiction about Turkey joining the EU. One didn’t need especially keen hearing to pick that up as code for 80 million Muslims entering Christendom."
After a campaign scarred by bigotry, it’s become OK to be racist in Britain | Aditya Chakrabortty

3. On TV British English people heard British National Party member Mark Collet say in 2013, “The Jews have been thrown out of every country, including England. … Let’s face it, when it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution: There’s no smoke without fire.”
The Brexit debate has made Britain more racist
This racist had infiltrated the Leave campaign.

 

[Divine Wind]

Sure. Being in someone's sig line makes me feel important...

How sad that's all you have. I'm happy to help you with your low self-esteem.

As for your argument that Nazis = Socialists, I disagree. If you want to believe a High School paper by Deirdre, go for it. Given you haven't dropped out of HS, and even better if you plan to go to college, I'm positive you will learn for yourself the differences.

The Political Compass

The Political Compass

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Sure. Being in someone's sig line makes me feel important...

How sad that's all you have. I'm happy to help you with your low self-esteem.

As for your argument that Nazis = Socialists, I disagree. If you want to believe a High School paper by Deirdre, go for it. Given you haven't dropped out of HS, and even better if you plan to go to college, I'm positive you will learn for yourself the differences.

The Political Compass

The Political Compass

Well, good for you, you found several random sites that are ALSO wrong about fascism. The Nazis factually implemented Socialist policies. Until you can find right wing policies they implemented, you've proven nothing. Simply repeating "They're right wing, because reasons", and then showing me the opinion of web sites that echo your ignorant claim, doesn't negate what their actual policies were, completely left wing.

 

[Divine Wind]

....Until you can find right wing policies they implemented, you've proven nothing. Simply repeating "They're right wing, because reasons", and then showing me the opinion of web sites that echo your ignorant claim, doesn't negate what their actual policies were, completely left wing.

You know that applies to your claim that Nazis are Socialists or that Trump is a Lefty, don't you, Pumpkin?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

.....But now that the nazi fuck is living at our expense I dont see a problem with a few clever people going in and speaking to him.

Do you understand what I am saying ?

You want to bring yourself down to his level and murder him like he murdered Jo Cox?

Where did I say that ?
This guy is a nut/terrorist but he probably wasnt born that way. But we should understand how he got there. Would you agree with that ?

Did I say that? It was a question. I even highlighted your comment "Do you understand what I am saying ?" So what were you saying? A nice little chat or beating him to death because your heart is filled with anger and hate?

You are an idiot. Your bizarre interpretation is at variance with everything I have written on this thread. And yet you choose to believe it. words fail me.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

....Until you can find right wing policies they implemented, you've proven nothing. Simply repeating "They're right wing, because reasons", and then showing me the opinion of web sites that echo your ignorant claim, doesn't negate what their actual policies were, completely left wing.

You know that applies to your claim that Nazis are Socialists or that Trump is a Lefty, don't you, Pumpkin?

Trump has been a flaming Liberal his entire life.

I already showed you policies the Nazis implemented. That's why we're having this discussion in the first place. Unlike me, you haven't given me one single thing that proves the political alignment of the Nazis. You've either completely forgotten the entire rest of the thread, or you think I have.





You clearly haven't watched/listened to many of Hitler's speeches, there, DW. You know, so you can see him declare war on the struggle against Marxism, and state that their welfare system is more than a charity. Also so you can see him declare that all classes are united... or declare war on Capitalism and Free Trade. The truth is that Hitler was advocating fighting the Globalists with Socialism.

 

[Tilly]

Far-right terrorist Thomas Mair jailed for life for Jo Cox murder

I hope that the authorities take some time to explore the influences on this character. It might help us avoid future atrocities.

I do believe that expressing xenophobic and racist opinions by the politicians leading to the Brexit vote lent respectability to the language of hate and encouraged Thomas Mair to act-out his deranged fantasies.

Could you provide some examples of these 'racist and xenophobic opinions as expressed by politicians leading to the Brexit vote'?

It is not so easy to find stuff in the record and post the links here with photos and such. Will three do just for the sake of illustration, I wonder.

1. The poster of refugees which showed only ethnic young men which was used by Nigel Farage to give the impression that crowds of foreigners wanted to migrate en masse which incited racial hatred.

Nigel Farage is now intending to go and live in America. I am sure he will have no trouble doing so legally. Good riddance.

2. "Michael Gove and Boris Johnson [both Tory politicians who led the Brexit campaign] peddled their fiction about Turkey joining the EU. One didn’t need especially keen hearing to pick that up as code for 80 million Muslims entering Christendom."
After a campaign scarred by bigotry, it’s become OK to be racist in Britain | Aditya Chakrabortty

3. On TV British English people heard British National Party member Mark Collet say in 2013, “The Jews have been thrown out of every country, including England. … Let’s face it, when it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution: There’s no smoke without fire.”
The Brexit debate has made Britain more racist
This racist had infiltrated the Leave campaign.

Pretty poor defence of your statement, Eloy.
1. The pic used by Farage is genuine and factual, regardless that snowflakes don't like people being exposed to the truth. indeed Europe has admitted far more young fighting age men than women, children, and the elderly. It's on record that the majority of women and children were left in refugee camps. In addition, it is clear that a great many of the 'refugees' were in fact economic migrants who did not even come from Syria but from all over the globe.

2. Turkey has been negotiating to join the EU for some time. There are a few countries that veto that, the U.K. being one of them at times I believe. However, Cameron was keen for Turkey to be admitted, and had we voted to remain who knows how long it would have been before that happened. Many Europeans are totally against Turkey joining for several reasons, one being human rights abuses, another being their antipathy to a free press and their treatment of journalists. So no, reiterating their stance against Turkey joining the EU was the right thing to do, IMHO, and hardly evidence of xenophobia or racism.

3. AFAIK, the BNP is not even a party anymore and hasn't been for some time because so few people support them or listen to them.. whether they exist or notm the BNP had absolutely nothing at all to do with any of the campaigners for Brexit, in terms of campaigners as individuals or as political parties..

So, no, I still fail to see all this xenophobic, racist rhetoric you refer to.

 

[Divine Wind]

....Unlike me, you haven't given me one single thing that proves the political alignment of the Nazis. ....

Scroll up kid.

As for your proof, one is a HS paper by a now-20something youngster and the other are speeches by Hitler. He said a lot of shit that isn't true. His actions were different, however. Specifically his support of the RWer Nationalist Francisco Franco in the Spanish Civil War and his hate for Stalin and all communists/Marxists.

 

[Tilly]

..Oh, the "Why? You'd disregard it" fallacy, another favorite of lefties. In other words, you can't support your claim and have no evidence against mine. If your claim were true, you'd be able to find right wing domestic policies, which directly contradict what the Nazis implemented. If you're not going to provide evidence to back up your claims, you have no reason to be on a debate forum. Well, that, or you could just go to the flame zone, Liberals would love you there.

The facts that 1) I'm not a Lefty or Liberal and 2) you've resorted to name-calling as your #1 form of argument says all I need to know about your character and intelligence.

I am, however, fascinated that you believe Trump is a Socialist or, at a minimum, supported by Socialists. Does that make anyone who voted for him a Socialist too? Are you or have you ever been a Socialist, Pumpkin?

Really? A pic with two men with their arms raised?
Not quite on a par with an actual Nazi rally.

 

[Tilly]

.....But now that the nazi fuck is living at our expense I dont see a problem with a few clever people going in and speaking to him.

Do you understand what I am saying ?

You want to bring yourself down to his level and murder him like he murdered Jo Cox?

Where did I say that ?
This guy is a nut/terrorist but he probably wasnt born that way. But we should understand how he got there. Would you agree with that ?

Did I say that? It was a question. I even highlighted your comment "Do you understand what I am saying ?" So what were you saying? A nice little chat or beating him to death because your heart is filled with anger and hate?

You are an idiot. Your bizarre interpretation is at variance with everything I have written on this thread. And yet you choose to believe it. words fail me.

You have many times advocated violence against men and women who don't adhere to your lefty fascist views. DW has made no bizarre interpretations of your posts.
You have even said RWs should be locked in zoos and have their children removed from them.
Do you really want me to post all your vile fascist comments on how a street preacher who sustained head injuries wasn't hit hard enough with a baseball bat again?
Or how about the female politician who you said should have had her face smashed in with a brick instead of the cake she was pelted with? Hmmmm?

 

[Eloy]

Far-right terrorist Thomas Mair jailed for life for Jo Cox murder

I hope that the authorities take some time to explore the influences on this character. It might help us avoid future atrocities.

I do believe that expressing xenophobic and racist opinions by the politicians leading to the Brexit vote lent respectability to the language of hate and encouraged Thomas Mair to act-out his deranged fantasies.

Could you provide some examples of these 'racist and xenophobic opinions as expressed by politicians leading to the Brexit vote'?

It is not so easy to find stuff in the record and post the links here with photos and such. Will three do just for the sake of illustration, I wonder.

1. The poster of refugees which showed only ethnic young men which was used by Nigel Farage to give the impression that crowds of foreigners wanted to migrate en masse which incited racial hatred.

Nigel Farage is now intending to go and live in America. I am sure he will have no trouble doing so legally. Good riddance.

2. "Michael Gove and Boris Johnson [both Tory politicians who led the Brexit campaign] peddled their fiction about Turkey joining the EU. One didn’t need especially keen hearing to pick that up as code for 80 million Muslims entering Christendom."
After a campaign scarred by bigotry, it’s become OK to be racist in Britain | Aditya Chakrabortty

3. On TV British English people heard British National Party member Mark Collet say in 2013, “The Jews have been thrown out of every country, including England. … Let’s face it, when it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution: There’s no smoke without fire.”
The Brexit debate has made Britain more racist
This racist had infiltrated the Leave campaign.

Pretty poor defence of your statement, Eloy.
1. The pic used by Farage is genuine and factual, regardless that snowflakes don't like people being exposed to the truth. indeed Europe has admitted far more young fighting age men than women, children, and the elderly. It's on record that the majority of women and children were left in refugee camps. In addition, it is clear that a great many of the 'refugees' were in fact economic migrants who did not even come from Syria but from all over the globe.

2. Turkey has been negotiating to join the EU for some time. There are a few countries that veto that, the U.K. being one of them at times I believe. However, Cameron was keen for Turkey to be admitted, and had we voted to remain who knows how long it would have been before that happened. Many Europeans are totally against Turkey joining for several reasons, one being human rights abuses, another being their antipathy to a free press and their treatment of journalists. So no, reiterating their stance against Turkey joining the EU was the right thing to do, IMHO, and hardly evidence of xenophobia or racism.

3. AFAIK, the BNP is not even a party anymore and hasn't been for some time because so few people support them or listen to them.. whether they exist or notm the BNP had absolutely nothing at all to do with any of the campaigners for Brexit, in terms of campaigners as individuals or as political parties..

So, no, I still fail to see all this xenophobic, racist rhetoric you refer to.

I note you do not have a single citation in your post. You wrote a lot of fake nonsense. Do not expect any more responses from me.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

..Oh, the "Why? You'd disregard it" fallacy, another favorite of lefties. In other words, you can't support your claim and have no evidence against mine. If your claim were true, you'd be able to find right wing domestic policies, which directly contradict what the Nazis implemented. If you're not going to provide evidence to back up your claims, you have no reason to be on a debate forum. Well, that, or you could just go to the flame zone, Liberals would love you there.

The facts that 1) I'm not a Lefty or Liberal and 2) you've resorted to name-calling as your #1 form of argument says all I need to know about your character and intelligence.

I am, however, fascinated that you believe Trump is a Socialist or, at a minimum, supported by Socialists. Does that make anyone who voted for him a Socialist too? Are you or have you ever been a Socialist, Pumpkin?

Really? A pic with two men with their arms raised?
Not quite on a par with an actual Nazi rally.

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Which one are you Tilly ?

 

[Divine Wind]

Really? A pic with two men with their arms raised?
Not quite on a par with an actual Nazi rally.

View attachment 99876

Agreed the Nazi party has deteriorated a lot since 1945. Nowadays their parades are composed of a few ignorant idiots marching as a mob, not well-lit, well-ordered events like in "Triumph of the Will".

Nonetheless, Nazis support Trump. If Nazis are Socialists, then Socialists support Trump. Pumpkin claims Trump is a Lefty, but not a Socialist. I provided evidence that shows differently, but am curious what you think?

Top Nazi leader: Trump will be a ‘real opportunity’ for white nationalists
The effort to plant the seeds of white nationalism in the political mainstream, where they might blossom into pro-white political coalitions that appeal to a broader swath of Caucasian voters, will not be easy, according to the chairman of the American Nazi Party.

But Rocky Suhayda thinks there is one political figure who presents a “real opportunity” to lessen the load.

Who is it? Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for president.

 

[Eloy]

Really? A pic with two men with their arms raised?
Not quite on a par with an actual Nazi rally.

View attachment 99876

Agreed the Nazi party has deteriorated a lot since 1945. Nowadays their parades are composed of a few ignorant idiots marching as a mob, not well-lit, well-ordered events like in "Triumph of the Will".

Nonetheless, Nazis support Trump. If Nazis are Socialists, then Socialists support Trump. Pumpkin claims Trump is a Lefty, but not a Socialist. I provided evidence that shows differently, but am curious what you think?

Top Nazi leader: Trump will be a ‘real opportunity’ for white nationalists
The effort to plant the seeds of white nationalism in the political mainstream, where they might blossom into pro-white political coalitions that appeal to a broader swath of Caucasian voters, will not be easy, according to the chairman of the American Nazi Party.

But Rocky Suhayda thinks there is one political figure who presents a “real opportunity” to lessen the load.

Who is it? Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for president.

There are no Nazis today; there cannot be because Nazism died with Hitler in April 1945.