Jan. 6th, The Law, and Nancy Pelosi's Dereliction of Duty

[elektra]

 

[Lesh]

Believe Fox News? They do an AI on Patel and Miller?

Looks like the words of Patel and Miller, claiming they both testified under oath.....so it's on Fox and it's bogus.......I thought you were better......


Not according to Miller's claims.

No shit..............why would NG be called out previous to the dreaded 'insurrection' on J6.

How is it then, that Miller gave the order to deploy NG troops at 3:04pm, J6?

You are delving into psycho babble.

The actual order for NG ON Jan 6 may have been illegal.

Some say Pence ordered it. Miller claims he had the authority from the Jan 3 conversation with Trump

Bottom line. No one cares. It’s all sorts of fucked yo that it took hours for it to happen.

It reflects badly on Trump
It reflects badly on the commanders who delayed it (among them Mike Flynn’s BROTHER).

 

[elektra]

We could give Pelosi the benefit of the doubt. Pelosi lied when she called Trump a danger and MAGA domestic terrorists. We could believe Pelosi had no idea there was ever an attack on the Capitol. Did she lie, or is she dumb? In reality, she knows and she has incredible hate and disdain for the American people. Pelosi was 28 during the Martin Luther King riots. That claim is she did not know, The Civil Rights History and the aftermatch of Martin Luther King being murdered! The Democrats did not know of the race riots! And they are the protectors of black americans, fighting for them.

 

[Lesh]

The consummate liar, Lesh.................

LOL.......why is it you keep getting your little ass kicked when these rules are provided?

They can't get no respect...................

You piece of shit.

Do not call me a liar about something that is FACT

 

[elektra]

The NG was not called out previous to Jan 6 for no other reason than the fact that Trump’s SecDef did not order it.

It is the policy of Democrats to surrender and call the Republicans to save them.

 

[Delldude]

Some say Pence ordered it. Miller claims he had the authority from the Jan 3 conversation with Trump

You are an idiot.............you go quoting the EO protocols and defend who was in the COC and now you do a 180...............you lied.

Bottom line. No one cares. It’s all sorts of fucked yo that it took hours for it to happen.

Congressional testimony showed why.

It reflects badly on the commanders who delayed it (among them Mike Flynn’s BROTHER).

Don't care if it was Mike Flynn's mother, has no bearing on anything other than your being continually full of bullshit.

Do not call me a liar about something that is FACT

Prove your facts then liar.

 

[Lesh]

We could give Pelosi the benefit of the doubt. Pelosi lied when she called Trump a danger and MAGA domestic terrorists. We could believe Pelosi had no idea there was ever an attack on the Capitol. Did she lie, or is she dumb? In reality, she knows and she has incredible hate and disdain for the American people. Pelosi was 28 during the Martin Luther King riots. That claim is she did not know, The Civil Rights History and the aftermatch of Martin Luther King being murdered! The Democrats did not know of the race riots! And they are the protectors of black americans, fighting for them.

Pelosi had zero fault regarding Jan 6

This thread has proven that if nothing else

It was MAGARATS and Trump that set that shit in motion

 

[Lesh]

You are an idiot.............you go quoting the EO protocols and defend who was in the COC and now you do a 180...............you lied.


Congressional testimony showed why.


Don't care if it was Mike Flynn's mother, has no bearing on anything other than your being continually full of bullshit.


Prove your facts then liar.

Yeah. Just a coincidence that Mike Flynn’s brother delayed the NG response on Jan 6

Sure

 

[Faun]

I wont say they were not, if they got to the house chambers, on the grounds, without an emergency recess, pelosi is derelict in her duty

You still haven't shown Pelosi needed to declare an emergency to give the CPB the ability to call to have the DCNG activated.

 

[Lesh]

You still haven't shown Pelosi needed to declare an emergency to give the CPB the ability to call to have the DCNG activated.

Because that’s bullshit

 

[Rumpole]

That is not a lie. Security is one of the Speaker's duties.

That's bunk. The CP's website lists the pecking order, and Pelosi is not on it.

The CP day to day ops are controlled by a board of directors:

Capitol Police Board​

• William McFarland, U.S. House of Representatives Sergeant at Arms (Chair)
• Karen H. Gibson, United States Senate Sergeant at Arms (Member)
• Joseph DiPietro, Acting Architect of the Capitol (Member)
• J. Thomas Manger, Chief of Police (Ex-Officio Member)

The argument that Speaker Nancy Pelosi was responsible for calling the National Guard on January 6th is not accurate based on the structure of authority and responsibility for security at the Capitol. Here are the key points to consider:


Role of the Speaker of the House: While Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker of the House on January 6, 2021, her role did not include direct operational control over Capitol security. The Speaker of the House has oversight responsibilities over many aspects of the House of Representatives, but they do not directly control security operations.

Capitol Police and the Capitol Police Board: The U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) is responsible for the security of the Capitol complex. The USCP is overseen by the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms, and the Architect of the Capitol. The Chief of the Capitol Police reports to this board.

*Role of the Sergeant at Arms (SAA): The House Sergeant at Arms is an officer of the House of Representatives and is responsible for maintaining order in the House side of the Capitol complex. While the SAA does report to the Speaker in some capacities, operational security decisions, such as calling in the National Guard, involve consultation with the Capitol Police Board and other authorities.

Authority to Call the National Guard: The authority to deploy the National Guard in the District of Columbia lies with the President, the Secretary of Defense, and, for certain local matters, the Mayor of D.C. In the case of the Capitol, while the Capitol Police can request National Guard assistance, this request usually needs to go through the Department of Defense and involves coordination with other federal entities.

Events of January 6, 2021: On January 6, the request for National Guard assistance was indeed made, but there was significant delay and confusion regarding the approval and deployment of these forces. The decisions and delays have been the subject of extensive inquiry and criticism, but they do not directly implicate Nancy Pelosi as being personally responsible for the immediate security response.

So, for all you on the right, please understand that the assertion that Pelosi could or should have unilaterally called the National Guard is not supported by the actual operational structure and authority governing Capitol security.

And that's a fact.

The SAA coordinates with the Speaker in the following areas:

The House Sergeant at Arms (SAA) reports to the Speaker of the House in several capacities that are primarily administrative and ceremonial. The key responsibilities and areas where the SAA might report to the Speaker include:

1. Administrative Oversight: The SAA is responsible for certain administrative functions within the House of Representatives, such as maintaining order and security within the House chamber, managing access to the House side of the Capitol complex, and overseeing the movement of the Mace, the symbol of authority of the House.
2. Ceremonial Duties: The SAA has various ceremonial roles, such as announcing the President and other dignitaries during joint sessions of Congress or during formal addresses to the House. These functions often require coordination with the Speaker's office.
3. Coordination on Security Policy: While the SAA does not have the authority to make unilateral decisions about Capitol security, they do coordinate with the Speaker's office on policies that affect the safety and security of the House side of the Capitol. This might include updates, briefings, and recommendations on security measures.
4. Budgetary and Operational Oversight: The SAA is involved in the preparation and management of the budget for operations under their purview. This would involve reporting to the Speaker regarding budgetary needs, expenditures, and financial planning for areas under their control.
5. Emergency Communication: In the event of an emergency involving the security of the House, the SAA would communicate directly with the Speaker to inform and coordinate an appropriate response, although operational control would typically involve the Capitol Police and relevant security agencies. Note: Neither the SAA nor Pelosi have unilateral authority call in the NG>

Overall, the relationship between the SAA and the Speaker is more about administrative reporting and coordination rather than direct operational control over security decisions, especially those involving external forces like the National Guard.

The most correct answer to who had the authority to call the National Guard on January 6, 2021, emphasizes the role of the Department of Defense (DoD). Here’s a clearer summary:

• The Capitol Police could request National Guard assistance, but did not have the authority to deploy them directly.
• The Secretary of Defense was responsible for approving the deployment of the National Guard in the District of Columbia, following a request from authorized entities like the Capitol Police.
• The President, as Commander-in-Chief, also had overarching authority over National Guard deployments, particularly in a national security context.

The Mayor of D.C. could request the National Guard but, like the Capitol Police, required approval from the Department of Defense. The process involves multiple levels of communication and approval, and no single official in the Capitol complex had unilateral authority to deploy the National Guard directly.

So, not a simple answer, but my research points to two or three characters:

1. Secretary of Defense/Secretary of The Army (I'm believing the latter)
2. The President.

 

[elektra]

You still haven't shown Pelosi needed to declare an emergency to give the CPB the ability to call to have the DCNG activated.

You think an appointed board member orders the Speaker of the House to call an emergency recess? The Speaker of the House is subordinate to who?

The law states, during an Emergency.

 

[elektra]

That's bunk. The CP's website lists the pecking order, and Pelosi is not on it.

Capitol Police Board​

• William McFarland, U.S. House of Representatives Sergeant at Arms (Chair)
• Karen H. Gibson, United States Senate Sergeant at Arms (Member)
• Joseph DiPietro, Acting Architect of the Capitol (Member)
• J. Thomas Manger, Chief of Police (Ex-Officio Member)

Sergeant at Arms Reports directly to Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi can fire 3 or 4 of these appointees at any time. Of course the pecking order includes the Speaker of the House at the top.

 

[elektra]

The CP day to day ops are controlled by a board of directors:

Day to day ops, are controlled by a Standard Operating Procedure. Of course, we are speaking of something outside of day to day ops.

 

[elektra]

The argument that Speaker Nancy Pelosi was responsible for calling the National Guard on January 6th is not accurate based on the structure of authority and responsibility for security at the Capitol. Here are the key points to consider:

We do not call for the National Guard. The National Guard can be deployed. The term National Guard is not found in the law. The law is linked, read it.
A request is made in accordance with the law.

§1970. Assistance by Executive departments and agencies​

The law is written by the Legislative Branch of Government, all authority starts with the law. Speaker of the House is the leader of the House of Representatives. All authority, even in an emergency starts in the House, not the Capitol Board or Police.

 

[elektra]

Role of the Speaker of the House: While Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker of the House on January 6, 2021, her role did not include direct operational control over Capitol security. The Speaker of the House has oversight responsibilities over many aspects of the House of Representatives, but they do not directly control security operations.

This statement is convoluted and written poorly. What role does the Speaker have during an emergency, being the person literally in charge of the House of Representatives, and where they meet? The Speaker's authority does not become subservient to the Capitol Police.

We do know what does control security operations. It is the law that the Speaker and the House of Representatives write! It is implemented by the people the Speaker of the House appoints/elects and gives the oath of office to.

The Speaker, can not do everything, but the Speaker has direct control through the person representing her on the Capitol Police board, that is the Sergeant at Arms. Reporting directly to the Speaker, in an Emergency.

Control of all things starts with the leader.

 

[elektra]

Capitol Police and the Capitol Police Board: The U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) is responsible for the security of the Capitol complex. The USCP is overseen by the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms, and the Architect of the Capitol. The Chief of the Capitol Police reports to this board..

It is not the Capitol complex, It is called the Capitol and the Captiol grounds.
Congress is responsible for the security of the Capitol and the grounds, through law, precedents, rules.
The Capitol Police is responsible to police.
Everything is overseen by Congress and the Speaker of the House. It is as if those who right the law, that creates all this, is responsible.

 

[elektra]

*Role of the Sergeant at Arms (SAA): The House Sergeant at Arms is an officer of the House of Representatives and is responsible for maintaining order in the House side of the Capitol complex. While the SAA does report to the Speaker in some capacities, operational security decisions, such as calling in the National Guard, involve consultation with the Capitol Police Board and other authorities.

The Sergeant at Arms is the Capitol Police Board, so yes, he does consult with himself and the other 2 members, I say other two members, because the Capitol Police Chief is subordinate to all three.

The Sergeant of Arms reports to the Speaker of the House

 

[elektra]

Authority to Call the National Guard: The authority to deploy the National Guard in the District of Columbia lies with the President, the Secretary of Defense, and, for certain local matters, the Mayor of D.C. In the case of the Capitol, while the Capitol Police can request National Guard assistance, this request usually needs to go through the Department of Defense and involves coordination with other federal entities.

The one thing that is right

 

[elektra]

do not directly implicate Nancy Pelosi as being personally responsible for the immediate security response.

So, for all you on the right, please understand that the assertion that Pelosi could or should have unilaterally called the National Guard is not supported by the actual operational structure and authority governing Capitol security.

Congress writes the laws that governs, dictates, authorizes, and creates Capitol security.