IndependntLogic
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- Jul 14, 2011
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Provide one Quote from the Old or New Testaments that has God or Jesus even Tolerant of Homosexuality...
I'll be here.
peace...
Jesus was silent before Pontius Pilate. He knew when it was a waste of time. Thus it is with you. It's not like you have an open mind. You remind me of Muslims who use the Qu'Ran to kill people. You have a religion based on seperation, judgmentalism and hatred.
Oh well. It's not like you're alone or even unusual.
For centuries, prophets have brought messages of love and peace.
And always, The Message has been ignored and worship of the Messenger has been used as justification for petty judgmentalism, violence, elitism etc...
From my book The Las Vegas Times Dictionary (available on Amazon, shameless plug time!)
Bible: n A holy tome which tells people four things:
1. There is one God and He is not found in a church.
2. Dont judge others, focus on your own path.
3. Love and tolerate everyone. Especially those you might be tempted to look down upon or call your enemies.
4. Dont go around hurting or murdering each other. Really, its not very nice and God doesnt like it.
The result of mans interpretation of this book has been:
1. The belief that God can only be found in a church and it must be the right one.
2. The condemnation by members of one church, of others who do not go to the same church.
3. A self-righteousness and judgmental intolerance of anyone deemed sinful by those who consider their own sins to be of superior quality and
4. The Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, KKK, bombing of planned parenthood centers, and the election of Conservative politicians.
So yes, don't worry about that plank in your eye. Tell us how wrong and sinful and what an abomination other people are. Throw the first stone. Judge thy neighbor. Those whom you consider the lowest, will be uh... the lowest. Hate thy enemy. Got it.
So basically, you have the ability to love and accept those of whom you judge worthy of your personal approval and are comfortable with. Impressive brand of religion ya got there...
So, you think a Christian church should ignore the sin part of Jesus's teachings? I think you are missing the point. Yes, Jesus said to love one another and not judge, but he also said that you were to live a Godly life and reject sin. There are two clearly defined paths. You are either trying to live a Godly life and walking towards a relationship with Christ, or you are not. A Christian church is not going to advocate the second, and that is not the same thing as 'judging' or 'condemning'. We all sin, this is a truth, but openly following the path of sin or openly living in sin, is not following the path of Christ, therefore the Christian church can neither embrace nor accept that as a valid thing to teach. To be an active Christian you are rejecting sin, an openly practicing homosexual is not following that path according to the Bible. We all face temptations, why is the temptation of attraction to the same sex any different for a homosexual than attraction to someone other then a spouse would be to a married heterosexual? We all are supposed to reject temptations, so homosexuals are not exclusive in that regard. To me it doesn't matter if you're homo or hetero, if you're following the path of Christ and rejecting sin and temptation, believing in the salvation of Christ, then you're a Christian.
Mal's point is that you can't expect the Christian church to accept that a practicing homosexual is not sinning, and he's absolutely right. And if you're openly and knowingly following the path of sin, you are not following the path of Christ. It's that simple.
Actually I can say exactly that. And with every bit as much validity as those claiming otherwise.
Here's a fact. All Christians do the same thing. They (or their religious leaders) take parts of the Bible literally, interpret other parts, and just plain throw some stuff out.
So we differ simply in how we choose to interpret certain things and also, what we choose to throw out.