Jewish testimonies (I absolutely love these)

[Mindful]

I don't think anyone claimed that ALL rabbis skip Isaiah 53, how could anyone possibly know that anyway, unless one is omniscient? But perhaps other people have a different experience than yours. No matter what, the fact remains that many of the Messianic Jews who share their story clearly state that Isaiah 53 was at least one of the things that brought them to faith in Yeshua. That is what's noteworthy, in my view, and that's why I said that those claims make sense. In fact, if you were to watch some of the testimony videos, some of them said that they had never even read Isaiah 53 until someone ELSE brought it up to them... and some of them stated what is Jesus doing in the Old Testament? As I said earlier, that is just one passage, there are hundreds, including many that are very, very specific.

Hundreds of passages that have been chopped out or just ----purposely----
IGNORED? I am fascinated----can you post a few?

No, no, no, once again you're misunderstanding. I never said that they were ignored, or chopped out. I was talking about MESSIANIC prophecies, prophetic scriptures about the Messiah.

It's super late here so I don't think I'm going to have enough time to round up hundreds of messianic scriptures for you. But if I have time tomorrow I will see what I can do.

I do not need 'HUNDREDS"------just a few. As to messianic prophecies----
they are certainly NOT ignored or deleted. Seems to me that you have
never really been in a synagogue or if you were, did not have a grasp of what goes
on in one.

That is what I just said! I just finished saying that I never said they were ignored or chopped out. My point was simply that hundreds of messianic prophecies exist in the Bible that Jesus fulfilled. Many of them, in a very specific way.

So why would you say "they are not being ignored or deleted" when I just finished saying that I never claimed that? We were talking about Isaiah 53 earlier, THAT particular one is what some have claimed is skipped over. But when I was talking about the hundreds of others, that was simply to say that Jesus fulfilled them.

Now, I'm beginning to wonder if you just keep misunderstanding me, or if you're purposely misrepresenting what I'm saying…. which is it?

Your Yoshke guy, didn't fulfill a single prophecy... quiet the opposite.
That's why You guys need to fabricate verses and turn things on their head,
to rationalize his failure to fulfill anything that true Messiah of Israel is supposed to.

Ah. But he did miracles.

 

[rylah]

Hundreds of passages that have been chopped out or just ----purposely----
IGNORED? I am fascinated----can you post a few?

No, no, no, once again you're misunderstanding. I never said that they were ignored, or chopped out. I was talking about MESSIANIC prophecies, prophetic scriptures about the Messiah.

It's super late here so I don't think I'm going to have enough time to round up hundreds of messianic scriptures for you. But if I have time tomorrow I will see what I can do.

I do not need 'HUNDREDS"------just a few. As to messianic prophecies----
they are certainly NOT ignored or deleted. Seems to me that you have
never really been in a synagogue or if you were, did not have a grasp of what goes
on in one.

That is what I just said! I just finished saying that I never said they were ignored or chopped out. My point was simply that hundreds of messianic prophecies exist in the Bible that Jesus fulfilled. Many of them, in a very specific way.

So why would you say "they are not being ignored or deleted" when I just finished saying that I never claimed that? We were talking about Isaiah 53 earlier, THAT particular one is what some have claimed is skipped over. But when I was talking about the hundreds of others, that was simply to say that Jesus fulfilled them.

Now, I'm beginning to wonder if you just keep misunderstanding me, or if you're purposely misrepresenting what I'm saying…. which is it?

Your Yoshke guy, didn't fulfill a single prophecy... quiet the opposite.
That's why You guys need to fabricate verses and turn things on their head,
to rationalize his failure to fulfill anything that true Messiah of Israel is supposed to.

Ah. But he did miracles.

Yeah sure he did, look at all the peace in the world...

 

[buttercup]

Evangelism is, simply, another word for proselytizing. These are not
"dirty" words

That's good, but when nonbelievers use the word "proselytizing" it is almost always in a very negative way. Earlier on the thread, you and others were acting as if it was a terrible thing, and you were using it in a very accusatory way.

So I'm not going to play that game. I'll use the words that correspond with what I am talking about, not what others are talking about.

There's a lot more to be said about this, but it's ridiculously late now, so I'm not going to stick around here much longer.

 

[rylah]

The Messiah to Heal the Blind? Rabbi Tovia Singer Exposes Luke’s Corruption of the Jewish Scriptures

One more fabrication in a long line of the church's crimes.

 

[Mindful]

The Messiah to Heal the Blind? Rabbi Tovia Singer Exposes Luke’s Corruption of the Jewish Scriptures

One more fabrication in a long line of the church's crimes.

Those gospels contradict themselves. We did a scholarly study of them once.

There was also a parallel in the New Testament to the Counting of the Omer.

 

[buttercup]

‘Pierced my hands’ appears nowhere in Psalms.
Rabbi Tovia Singer exposes blatant Church corruption!

How dare they change the word of G-d?!

Here's a response to that. You should watch the whole thing.

 

[rylah]

‘Pierced my hands’ appears nowhere in Psalms.
Rabbi Tovia Singer exposes blatant Church corruption!

How dare they change the word of G-d?!

Here's a response to that. You should watch the whole thing.

You're insulting basic human intelligence, when referring to an answer that solely relies on repeating the very fabricated verse that was exposed to be changed.

The response proves You missionaries lie knowingly.

 

[buttercup]

‘Pierced my hands’ appears nowhere in Psalms.
Rabbi Tovia Singer exposes blatant Church corruption!

How dare they change the word of G-d?!

Here's a response to that. You should watch the whole thing.

You're insulting basic human intelligence, when referring to an answer that solely relies on repeating the very fabricated verse that was exposed to be changed.

The response proves You missionaries lie knowingly.

Did you even watch the video? He was talking about the PSALM verse, in the original, oldest texts. Are you claiming the original Psalm texts were fabricated?

You throw around the word "lie" far too easily. That in and of itself is dishonest, in my view.

Watch the video.

 

[buttercup]

The Messiah to Heal the Blind? Rabbi Tovia Singer Exposes Luke’s Corruption of the Jewish Scriptures

One more fabrication in a long line of the church's crimes.

I didn't even have to listen to the whole thing to find claims he made that can be shown to be incorrect. And I'm not even an expert.

 

[irosie91]

It is not clear to me why a psalm of david is considered a
PROPHECY Anyone?

 

[rylah]

The Messiah to Heal the Blind? Rabbi Tovia Singer Exposes Luke’s Corruption of the Jewish Scriptures

One more fabrication in a long line of the church's crimes.

I didn't even have to listen to the whole thing to find claims he made that can be shown to be incorrect. And I'm not even an expert.

So You're saying the church didn't corrupt the Jewish scripture?
Go open that Pandora box...I dare You.

 

[Meriweather]

Are catholics still being told not to read the OT?

Two readings from the Old Testament have always been part of the Catholic Sunday Mass. This means every three years Catholics read through the Old Testament...every year for Catholics who attend daily Mass.

 

[ding]

It is not clear to me why a psalm of david is considered a
PROPHECY Anyone?

Jesus is the Word.

His life was a living parable showing us that he is the word of God.

It’s not a prophecy. It’s a validation.

 

[Meriweather]

your grasp of history is a bit ludicrous-----both Annas and Caiaphas were Roman
shills and not considered by the masses back then or today to have been Jewish leaders -----especially by the Pharisees ----like Jesus. The Temple tax was very
trivial and not even enforced. It is very likely that people like Annas and Caiaphas did not like Jesus-----they despised Pharisees for resisting roman rule

There are holes in this presentation. Carry on.

 

[rylah]

‘Pierced my hands’ appears nowhere in Psalms.
Rabbi Tovia Singer exposes blatant Church corruption!

How dare they change the word of G-d?!

Here's a response to that. You should watch the whole thing.

You're insulting basic human intelligence, when referring to an answer that solely relies on repeating the very fabricated verse that was exposed to be changed.

The response proves You missionaries lie knowingly.

Did you even watch the video? He was talking about the PSALM verse, in the original, oldest texts. Are you claiming the original Psalm texts were fabricated?

You throw around the word "lie" far too easily. That in and of itself is dishonest, in my view.

Watch the video.

Yes I did, instead of addressing the bold corruption of the word of G-d,
the answer just relied entirely on repeating the very exact crime.

I warned You earlier - You wanna convert Jews to Christianity, be ready to face the facts that will shatter the ground from underneath the whole basis of Your false religion.

Go on proceed...

 

[fncceo]

You're just demonstrating your lack of knowledge of anything having to do with Jews.

The entire Chumash is read aloud in shul each year in 54 weekly portions, called parsha.

Every shul in the world reads the same portions on the same dates.

Nothing is ommitted.

I don't think anyone claimed that ALL rabbis skip Isaiah 53, how could anyone possibly know that anyway, unless one is omniscient? But perhaps other people have a different experience than yours. No matter what, the fact remains that many of the Messianic Jews who share their story clearly state that Isaiah 53 was at least one of the things that brought them to faith in Yeshua. That is what's noteworthy, in my view, and that's why I said that those claims make sense. In fact, if you were to watch some of the testimony videos, some of them said that they had never even read Isaiah 53 until someone ELSE brought it up to them... and some of them stated what is Jesus doing in the Old Testament? As I said earlier, that is just one passage, there are hundreds, including many that are very, very specific.

the operative statement here is ".....some of them said that they had never
read Isaiah 53 until someone ELSE brought it up..... " so the missionary
targeted people are jews who never read Isaiah------and got it introduced
and interpreted for them by a Christian missionary. The JW's like to do stuff like that too. ---door to door---------even hindus could play that game----if they
wanted to. The Bhagavad Gita is chock full of fascinating insights

lol... Wow. I'm actually laughing out loud, at the paranoia and how you paint "missionaries" in such a dark, sinister way. But you're an atheist, right? So that shouldn't be surprising, that seems to be how a lot of atheists think.

It's obvious you haven't watched many of the videos, if ANY at all. Because in most of them, there wasn't a "missionary" in sight. Many of them came to faith because of their OWN experiences in their life which led them on a path to God... In other words, God pursued them directly and eventually opened their eyes. Also, I know this will sound crazy to nonbelievers, but sometimes God will place certain people in one's path, in order to reach them. So, in some of the testimonies it was a friend, co-worker or relative who was a follower of Jesus, and the Jewish person saw something different in them, that they wanted. For example, a personal relationship with God, or a strong faith, or a peace, etc.

Anyway, I hate to keep saying this, but you really should just watch the videos, because it's obvious you're not likely to accept anything I say. But when people tell their personal story, it's powerful. Even the scriptures say that, it is why God wants people to share their testimonies.

Dude stop lying,
the organizations from which You post these videos, expressly say that their intention is to proselytize among Jews.

And they use quiet a large amount of deception tactics to draw attention to that content,
as do You.

Wow, I'm amazed at your twisting here. I never once claimed that the organizations who compile those videos are not about reaching out to Jews. OF COURSE they are.

I said that in the actual TESTIMONIES, in their personal stories, most of them came to faith for various reasons based on their own personal experience in life, or a certain friend or family member who was influential in their conversion. NOT a missionary. At least in most of the testimonies, it was not because of a missionary.

Do you understand now? Again, like irosie, I get the feeling you haven't watched any of the videos, or else you'd see for yourself what I just said.

The only one being deceptive is you, whether that is intentional, or based on simple lack of understanding.

When the Communist Chinese or Vietnamese were able to coerce captured enemy soldiers and airmen to betray their country, one of the first things they did was record those betrayals and make them into propaganda films to inspire their own people and attempt to demoralize their enemies.

 

[rylah]

Rabbi Tovia Singer Demonstrates to Ex-Christian in Manila that Paul Corrupted the Jewish Scriptures

In an eye-opening lecture in the Philippines, Rabbi Tovia Singer illustrates that the core teachings of Paul are opposed by the Torah, and the evangelist from Tarsus deliberately altered an epic passage in the Torah.

 

[irosie91]

Are catholics still being told not to read the OT?

Two readings from the Old Testament have always been part of the Catholic Sunday Mass. This means every three years Catholics read through the Old Testament...every year for Catholics who attend daily Mass.

I meant ---BY YOURSELF-----when I was a kid there were catholic kids
who insisted that they could not read the OT. WAY back then----the rule
in public school was ---"the pledge of allegiance, the lord's prayer, and
five verses from the bible" WAYYYY BACK THEN Catholic kids
declined because the OT is on INDEX THING----a list of prohibited
books. Pius was the pope WAYYYY back then.

 

[irosie91]

your grasp of history is a bit ludicrous-----both Annas and Caiaphas were Roman
shills and not considered by the masses back then or today to have been Jewish leaders -----especially by the Pharisees ----like Jesus. The Temple tax was very
trivial and not even enforced. It is very likely that people like Annas and Caiaphas did not like Jesus-----they despised Pharisees for resisting roman rule

There are holes in this presentation. Carry on.

what holes do you PERCEIVE? are your perceived holes in my statement?
The tax still exists if you would like to pay it-----1/2 shekel-----per year. I think
at the current exchange rate that is about 15 cents. It did not support the priests,
HOWEVER the priests and levites got to eat the "sacrificed lamb"-----but they could
not sell it. The sacrificed pigeons were not edible. In roman law----sacrifices
could be sold and actually constituted an important part of the economy. Judea
was an agrarian society BUT the priests and levites did not own inherited land.

 

[rylah]

your grasp of history is a bit ludicrous-----both Annas and Caiaphas were Roman
shills and not considered by the masses back then or today to have been Jewish leaders -----especially by the Pharisees ----like Jesus. The Temple tax was very
trivial and not even enforced. It is very likely that people like Annas and Caiaphas did not like Jesus-----they despised Pharisees for resisting roman rule

There are holes in this presentation. Carry on.

what holes do you PERCEIVE? are your perceived holes in my statement?
The tax still exists if you would like to pay it-----1/2 shekel-----per year. I think
at the current exchange rate that is about 15 cents. It did not support the priests,
HOWEVER the priests and levites got to eat the "sacrificed lamb"-----but they could
not sell it. The sacrificed pigeons were not edible. In roman law----sacrifices
could be sold and actually constituted an important part of the economy. Judea
was an agrarian society BUT the priests and levites did not own inherited land.

The 1/2 Shekel tax was used to count the population.
It is given to shuls before Purim, and weighed against the current worth of certain mass of silver, that is called the Mahazit, which literally means 'half'.

If I remember correctly, when I gave it last year, it was 25 NIS, which is about 7$.