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" palestine" which never existed ( And never will )
Palestine was Palestine for over 2,000 years. Since 135 AD.
Palestina en el Imperio Romano
[/QUOTE]I see it this way.
I'll be happy to agree with the pro Israelis on one condition.
They can post a map of Israel between 1AD and 1945 AD, with a list of all presidents, prime ministers and senior government figures in that time frame.
I seriously don't expect anything outside a few religious figures, claiming to be what they aren't.
Israel was missing from the world for two thousand years before being claimed as a Jewish homeland.
Zionism is bullshit.
Yes. All American passports held by Israelis should be revoked.
That would include all Israelis living in the United states of America and anyone eligible for Israeli citizenship.
What a ridiculous idea. Just because you hate Israel, doesn't mean these idiotic ideas if yours will come true
I don't hate anyone, but the Israeli government are a bunch of bastards.
The Israeli people should get rid of them before it costs them their lives and the whole of their country.
Extremist Israeli governments will eventually cause the total destruction of that country.
A pity as so many innocents will suffer for the extremists' dream.
OK. I will just assume you are just an uninformed gossip and busybody. Now go pluck yer fiddleIf America is going ally itself with a country, then we have the right to have an opinion about how they conduct themselves in terms of basic human rights. I didn't care for the way that South Africa ran its government either. There is no logical requirement for me to "go join up" with anybody because I don't agree with the idea of citizenship being based on religion. If you think it is something that is out of bounds for discussion then maybe you should join a forum where there is no discussion.
You are free to make any ignorant assumption you wish. However, it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen. That isn't gossipy; just a fact. If you agree with that kind of policy then we can agree to disagree.
WEll LIPS, I'd say it reeks of anti-Israeli sentiment.
It is possible, ya know, to object to much about the state of Israel and not hate Jews one bit.
Not that I am speaking on behalf of Indo, but I am simply this responding to the content of this particular post.
You almost spoke for me.
This is about Jewish EXTREMISTS, trying to force America into a position they know will result in greater hatred of Americans, and very probably America deaths... These Jewish EXTREMISTS should be deported immediately
OK. I will just assume you are just an uninformed gossip and busybody. Now go pluck yer fiddle
You are free to make any ignorant assumption you wish. However, it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen. That isn't gossipy; just a fact. If you agree with that kind of policy then we can agree to disagree.
Anyone of any religion can apply to become a citizen if Israel. They must learn hebrew and find a job while living in Israel and waiting for approval.
Even jews that apply can be denied citizenship.
Why spread lies? Or are you really that poorly informed about the laws in Israel? All jews have a right to apply for citizenship, but that does not mean only jews can become citizens.
Shame that disinformation is so easily spread and so readily accepted to support those with an agenda to hate.
OK. I will just assume you are just an uninformed gossip and busybody. Now go pluck yer fiddle
You are free to make any ignorant assumption you wish. However, it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen. That isn't gossipy; just a fact. If you agree with that kind of policy then we can agree to disagree.
Anyone of any religion can apply to become a citizen if Israel. They must learn hebrew and find a job while living in Israel and waiting for approval.
Even jews that apply can be denied citizenship.
Why spread lies? Or are you really that poorly informed about the laws in Israel? All jews have a right to apply for citizenship, but that does not mean only jews can become citizens.
Shame that disinformation is so easily spread and so readily accepted to support those with an agenda to hate.
You are free to make any ignorant assumption you wish. However, it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen. That isn't gossipy; just a fact. If you agree with that kind of policy then we can agree to disagree.
Anyone of any religion can apply to become a citizen if Israel. They must learn hebrew and find a job while living in Israel and waiting for approval.
Even jews that apply can be denied citizenship.
Why spread lies? Or are you really that poorly informed about the laws in Israel? All jews have a right to apply for citizenship, but that does not mean only jews can become citizens.
Shame that disinformation is so easily spread and so readily accepted to support those with an agenda to hate.
Like most of his type he must lie because the truth just doesn't fully express his mindless hatred.
Anyone of any religion can apply to become a citizen if Israel. They must learn hebrew and find a job while living in Israel and waiting for approval.
Even jews that apply can be denied citizenship.
Why spread lies? Or are you really that poorly informed about the laws in Israel? All jews have a right to apply for citizenship, but that does not mean only jews can become citizens.
Shame that disinformation is so easily spread and so readily accepted to support those with an agenda to hate.
Like most of his type he must lie because the truth just doesn't fully express his mindless hatred.
Like most naive people you believe the propaganda being spread by this poster. So believe this fanatic or beleive the U.S. Department of State.
From a United States Department of State Human Rights Report:
"Principal human rights problems were institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against Arab citizens........Arab and other minority residents of the country faced official and societal discrimination in a number of areas, including employment, education, land ownership, and naturalization."
2010 Human Rights Report: Israel and the occupied territories
I see it this way.
I'll be happy to agree with the pro Israelis on one condition.
They can post a map of Israel between 1AD and 1945 AD, with a list of all presidents, prime ministers and senior government figures in that time frame.
I seriously don't expect anything outside a few religious figures, claiming to be what they aren't.
Israel was missing from the world for two thousand years before being claimed as a Jewish homeland.
Zionism is bullshit.
I never said there was an Israel during that time.
What does that have to do with anything??
I'm talking about NOW. Israel is NOW a Jewish state.
Don't like it? Too bad Fred.
Like most of his type he must lie because the truth just doesn't fully express his mindless hatred.
Like most naive people you believe the propaganda being spread by this poster. So believe this fanatic or beleive the U.S. Department of State.
From a United States Department of State Human Rights Report:
"Principal human rights problems were institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against Arab citizens........Arab and other minority residents of the country faced official and societal discrimination in a number of areas, including employment, education, land ownership, and naturalization."
2010 Human Rights Report: Israel and the occupied territories
I take it you are referring to the propaganda Blue is spreading as nothing in that report supports the claim that "...it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen." Blue's is an ignorant, Electronic Intifada trained propagandist or a liar (or both) and you are attempting to defend that.
Like most naive people you believe the propaganda being spread by this poster. So believe this fanatic or beleive the U.S. Department of State.
From a United States Department of State Human Rights Report:
"Principal human rights problems were institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against Arab citizens........Arab and other minority residents of the country faced official and societal discrimination in a number of areas, including employment, education, land ownership, and naturalization."
2010 Human Rights Report: Israel and the occupied territories
I take it you are referring to the propaganda Blue is spreading as nothing in that report supports the claim that "...it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen." Blue's is an ignorant, Electronic Intifada trained propagandist or a liar (or both) and you are attempting to defend that.
No, I am quoting the United States Department of State.
OK. I will just assume you are just an uninformed gossip and busybody. Now go pluck yer fiddle
You are free to make any ignorant assumption you wish. However, it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen. That isn't gossipy; just a fact. If you agree with that kind of policy then we can agree to disagree.
Anyone of any religion can apply to become a citizen if Israel. They must learn hebrew and find a job while living in Israel and waiting for approval.
Even jews that apply can be denied citizenship.
Why spread lies? Or are you really that poorly informed about the laws in Israel? All jews have a right to apply for citizenship, but that does not mean only jews can become citizens.
Shame that disinformation is so easily spread and so readily accepted to support those with an agenda to hate.
It's a Jewish homeland because it was designated by those who controlled it aka the British on land that the ancient ancestors of the Jews first lived, and Israel and Jerusalem have been in the hearts,minds, and souls of Jews for over 3000 years. In other words Arabs are the invaders and aliens to the land.I see it this way.
I'll be happy to agree with the pro Israelis on one condition.
They can post a map of Israel between 1AD and 1945 AD, with a list of all presidents, prime ministers and senior government figures in that time frame.
I seriously don't expect anything outside a few religious figures, claiming to be what they aren't.
Israel was missing from the world for two thousand years before being claimed as a Jewish homeland.
Zionism is bullshit.
I never said there was an Israel during that time.
What does that have to do with anything??
I'm talking about NOW. Israel is NOW a Jewish state.
Don't like it? Too bad Fred.
So you admit, it's a Jewish homeland by invasion.
A counter invasion would, by that standard, be legitimate.
It means Israel will always be open to all Jews who are fleeing oppression, persecution, and bigotry all over the world, but being a Jew is not the only requirement to be an Israeli, since over 1.8 million Arab Muslims, a quarter if Israel's populations, are Israeli citizens with full and equal rights as the rest of the Israelis.You are free to make any ignorant assumption you wish. However, it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen. That isn't gossipy; just a fact. If you agree with that kind of policy then we can agree to disagree.
Anyone of any religion can apply to become a citizen if Israel. They must learn hebrew and find a job while living in Israel and waiting for approval.
Even jews that apply can be denied citizenship.
Why spread lies? Or are you really that poorly informed about the laws in Israel? All jews have a right to apply for citizenship, but that does not mean only jews can become citizens.
Shame that disinformation is so easily spread and so readily accepted to support those with an agenda to hate.
Yeah. Except for the fact that there is a law that gives preference to Jews.
Do you "shame" the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Here is what they have posted on their website:
Acquisition of Israeli Nationality
For the purposes of this Law, "Jew" means a person who was born of a Jewish mother, or has converted to Judaism and is not a member of another religion.
Israeli citizenship becomes effective on the day of arrival in the country or of receipt of an oleh's certificate, whichever is later.
If that doesn't mean what it says, then what does it mean?
He's been backtracking since he shoved his hoof in his mouth with that one.I take it you are referring to the propaganda Blue is spreading as nothing in that report supports the claim that "...it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen." Blue's is an ignorant, Electronic Intifada trained propagandist or a liar (or both) and you are attempting to defend that.
No, I am quoting the United States Department of State.
Which does not support Blue's camel crap which I emboldened. You can read it, right? I can repost it in red:
"...it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen."
Idiot, nobody is claiming there are NO violations ever. The same website says that Israel is a vibrant democracy with equal rights to all, that prosecutes those who violates said rights. In fact, if one reviews that webpage you will be quite impressed that Amount of respect and laws in place to protect the civil rights of its citizens. If you compare Israel to the US and many European / Western nations, Israel will come out looking better than they do!Like most naive people you believe the propaganda being spread by this poster. So believe this fanatic or beleive the U.S. Department of State.
From a United States Department of State Human Rights Report:
"Principal human rights problems were institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against Arab citizens........Arab and other minority residents of the country faced official and societal discrimination in a number of areas, including employment, education, land ownership, and naturalization."
2010 Human Rights Report: Israel and the occupied territories
I take it you are referring to the propaganda Blue is spreading as nothing in that report supports the claim that "...it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen." Blue's is an ignorant, Electronic Intifada trained propagandist or a liar (or both) and you are attempting to defend that.
No, I am quoting the United States Department of State.
He's been backtracking since he shoved his hoof in his mouth with that one.No, I am quoting the United States Department of State.
Which does not support Blue's camel crap which I emboldened. You can read it, right? I can repost it in red:
"...it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen."
But that wasn't what you said initially, was it? You IGNORANTLY said "it's a requirement".He's been backtracking since he shoved his hoof in his mouth with that one.Which does not support Blue's camel crap which I emboldened. You can read it, right? I can repost it in red:
"...it is a fact that Israel currently requires a person to be a particular religion to be a citizen."
Jews are automatic first class citizens and if someone happens to be a muslim, then it is difficult for them to become a citizen. I posted a link showing that. I posted a link to the Israeli governments website showing that Jews were automatic citizens.
Here in America we have a founding principle that all men are created equal. That is true conservatism. If you want to use the literal definition of the word, anyone who feels like America should stand behind a country who does "not hold these truths self evident" is truly a liberal when it comes to interpreting the original American values.
The fact that nobody is addressing the content of what I am saying shows how fucked up the thinking is. Fuck that. I owe my allegiance to America and American values. Not some fucked up system where people from one religion are automatic citizens and others are given the run around.
It means Israel will always be open to all Jews who are fleeing oppression, persecution, and bigotry all over the world, but being a Jew is not the only requirement to be an Israeli, since over 1.8 million Arab Muslims, a quarter if Israel's populations, are Israeli citizens with full and equal rights as the rest of the Israelis.Anyone of any religion can apply to become a citizen if Israel. They must learn hebrew and find a job while living in Israel and waiting for approval.
Even jews that apply can be denied citizenship.
Why spread lies? Or are you really that poorly informed about the laws in Israel? All jews have a right to apply for citizenship, but that does not mean only jews can become citizens.
Shame that disinformation is so easily spread and so readily accepted to support those with an agenda to hate.
Yeah. Except for the fact that there is a law that gives preference to Jews.
Do you "shame" the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Here is what they have posted on their website:
Acquisition of Israeli Nationality
For the purposes of this Law, "Jew" means a person who was born of a Jewish mother, or has converted to Judaism and is not a member of another religion.
Israeli citizenship becomes effective on the day of arrival in the country or of receipt of an oleh's certificate, whichever is later.
If that doesn't mean what it says, then what does it mean?
