Just Got My New Rates for 2017...350% Increase! Are You Kidding?

[Sun Devil 92]

Anyone who does not like the ACA rates is welcome to come back to coverage under private insurance plans in the USA...if they are healthy enough to be accepted.

That being the case, I guess that I don't understand just what the hell folks are whining about.

That is a legitimate question.

The first answer might be the stupid burden the law placed on policies that increased their costs by 4 fold.

If that had not happened, I think the ACA would have seemed less objectionable.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Anyone who does not like the ACA rates is welcome to come back to coverage under private insurance plans in the USA...if they are healthy enough to be accepted.

That being the case, I guess that I don't understand just what the hell folks are whining about.

That is a legitimate question.

The first answer might be the stupid burden the law placed on policies that increased their costs by 4 fold.

If that had not happened, I think the ACA would have seemed less objectionable.

Well, so some insurer's are finding that ACA costs them money, and so they stop participating in ACA, in which case, ACA does NOT cost them money, and you are saying that they are raising their prices for traditional insurance because ACA is costing them money?

 

[GHook93]

Yeah, my corporate insurance never goes up.

Then you are full of shit!

I got slammed today in annual enrollment

 

[Fenton Lum]

Is everyone going to get a 350% increase? We have one person claiming they have such a rise.

But then again this is more reason to get rid of insurance companies altogether and go for a Nationalized health service.

Yeah, then we can wait 3 years to get health care.... but at least it will be cheap. Instead of Canadians coming to the US to get care, we and the Canadians will have to got to Mexico.

Socialized care is the VA. Have you not been paying attention? The VA sucks. Even my brother in law that came back from Iraq, paid for health care after realizing it would be years before he was seen.

You morons.

3 years to wait? Only if people start playing around with it. Some people in the US didn't wait three years, they just died. But hey.

Just because VA sucks, doesn't mean healthcare that is nationalized has to suck. I know people who have gone through nationalized healthcare and come out of it pretty well.

No, you don't understand. There are people in Canada, who waited 3 years to get needed surgery. They didn't play around with it. They flat out were told to wait, and they did.... and years... YEARS went by before they got care.

One lady in her 40s needed knee surgery, couldn't walk until they got her the surgery. Lost her job. Lost her life. Couldn't do anything. In pain all the time.

Three years for the first knee, and she was had already waited one year at the time of the interview for the second knee.

And yes, people died waiting for things like cancer surgery, and MRIs, and CT Scans, in Canada.

Why do you think the public sued the government, and forced them to give them the option of private health care? Because socialized health care sucks. You die on waiting lists.

Which is exactly what happened with the VA.

Of course some people come through socialized health care and it works. If all you need is a splint on a broken arm, Socialized care is great.... as long as you pay the 50% tax rate to fund it.

The problem is, you pay that tax rate, and then you end up needing private insurance anyway, like most Euro countries have, and even with that, you often end up having to go out of the country to get care.

Socialized care never works.

It does elswhere, for less cost to society, and yours does not. And it did not before the Heritage Foundation hatched "obamacare". You have the most expensive health"care" system on the planet with pretty shitty outcomes relative to other systems in advanced industrialized nations.

You chose this, and you still choose this, you just said so, so stop your whining.

Hilarious how the left are sprinting away from responsibility of inventing and shoving thru Obamacare.
It's a dead corpse shackled to them.

No one in america is ever responsible for anything, look around.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Yeah, my corporate insurance never goes up.

Then you are full of shit!

I got slammed today in annual enrollment

See "sarcasm", of course it does, every fucking year, and there was only one "choice" this year.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Anyone who does not like the ACA rates is welcome to come back to coverage under private insurance plans in the USA...if they are healthy enough to be accepted.

That being the case, I guess that I don't understand just what the hell folks are whining about.

That is a legitimate question.

The first answer might be the stupid burden the law placed on policies that increased their costs by 4 fold.

If that had not happened, I think the ACA would have seemed less objectionable.

Well, so some insurer's are finding that ACA costs them money, and so they stop participating in ACA, in which case, ACA does NOT cost them money, and you are saying that they are raising their prices for traditional insurance because ACA is costing them money?

What I am saying is that the law created "minimums" which jacked up the price of some insurance policies.

The debate over the minimums is a different conversation...but this is the reason you can't find catastrophic plans for the price they used to be available at.

 

[Andylusion]

You might pass that information along to Ravi...who thinks I'm lying when I say my premiums are going up 350%!

If yours is going up 350% with an Obamacare policy, and Fenton's is going up 400% with a non-Obamacare policy, what does that tell you?

Think about it before posting.

What it tells me is that he's a low wage earner looking to be subsidized by taxpayers

nahhh, If he receives subsidy, the subsidy will go up to cover the higher costs is what I had read.... those in need and on the exchange don't get hurt

Ok, well, now I have concrete absolute proof of our claim.

View attachment 96373

Here was my old plan.

$80, which was $20 higher than the previous plan.

Here's what it's saying now.

View attachment 96375


$125 a month. I can't afford that. Thus ends my health insurance. Can't afford that.

From $60 to $125? Nah, sorry. Doubled my premiums in 2 years.

And by the way, the $60 had a $2,500 deductible. The $80 had a $5,000 deductible. Now it will be a $7,150 deductible.

You people... just live in your stupid socialists bubble, where your heros on high tell you endlessly how much better everything is, and ignore the voices of the people who actually live in the real world, facing the real costs..... even though they are the very people you claim to want to help.

Since I can't afford health insurance, I'll just go to the ER if I get sick, and you morons can foot 100% of the bill.

Andy, I don't know why you have had to go from your employee health care plan to Obamacare on the exchange and can only presume you are between jobs?

Your employer paid a great deal of your health care insurance and Ocare does not contribute as much towards your policy it what it could be?

Whatever you do, please check out a Silver Plan, the govt will come in and help you with your deductibles and out of pocket expenses and some other things in ADDITION to the premium subsidy IF your income is low..

If you are healthy, and can afford to go for an annual check up with labs at least once a year out of your own pocket, and are not some Mountain Climber or race car driver that is prone to accidents, I would PASS on that useless bronze plan and pay the penalty, if you have to...but check out the penalty exemptions, cuz you may even be able to get out of that....depending on your circumstances.

As a citizen, I am willing to pay for you with my taxes if you end up in the Emergency Room.

The silver plans are horribly expensive. I'm simply not going to pay for them. It doesn't matter if the government will help cover deductibles, when I can't afford the premium to begin with. The lowest priced silver plan is over $200. I'll be lucky if I break $18,000 for this year, and you want me to cough up $200 a month?

And more importantly, before ObamaCare screwed up the entire market, I had cheaper insurance, that covered what I wanted.

Now, thanks to this idiocy, I can't afford it.

So yeah, I'll just pay the penalty, and the tax payers that screwed up the market with this socialist crap, can pay 100% of my bills instead.

 

[Andylusion]

The food industry pumps people full of unhealthy foods. The tobacco industry pumps them full of tobacco. The alcohol industry pumps them full of alcohol. The "illegal" drug industry pumps them full of the worst addictive substances. The pharmaceutical industry pumps them full of drugs. Then when they get sick, the hospital industry takes people in and charges outrageously for what should be simple procedures.

And who pays? Why, you do! The average, working American sucker!

How does it feel?

None of what you just said is true. People make choices. People choose to smoke. I never have. People choose to drink. I never have. People choose to do drugs. I never have.

Am I a super human? Do I have magical abilities to resist the super powers of all these industries?

Or maybe that's more American victimization wussy wimp blame shifting mentality. Grow up.

Second, as I have said numerous times, and will continue to say, it's the government, not the hospitals, that are driving up costs.

See when you setup a system where people have to pay for their own choices, like when they drink alcohol until they have health problems, and only they themselves have to pay that price of treatment.... people will be wiser in the choices they make.

But government just now, did exactly the opposite. For example banning the pre-existing condition clause. Well if someone drinks alcohol until they have a health issue, and then applies for coverage at the insurance company you have your policy with..... guess who pays for their treatments? You do.

Do this is the fault of socialism, not blaw blaw blaw industry and hospitals. The government did this with socialist regulations.

 

[Andylusion]

The letter from Florida Blue arrived yesterday and my insurance premiums will have a 350% increase starting this January. Affordable Care Act? Thanks Barry! Thanks Harry! Thanks Nancy! Thanks Democrats!

What the hell happened to my savings of $2,500 a year?

Clearly you don't make enough money to be voting Republican.

And who knows what to believe. You've been so anti hillary since you got here in 2012. Your first post is a Benghazi thread. Do you know how many Benghazis happened on bush and Reagan's watch?

So you are a partisan hack. I hope your premiums bankrupt your stupid broke ass.

So let me get this straight. The democrats screw us over... but in your arrogant opinion, we don't make enough money to vote republican? Pretty good system you got there. Screw over the working people until their poor, and then say they are too poor to vote republican.

Brilliant.

 

[Andylusion]

If yours is going up 350% with an Obamacare policy, and Fenton's is going up 400% with a non-Obamacare policy, what does that tell you?

Think about it before posting.

What it tells me is that he's a low wage earner looking to be subsidized by taxpayers

nahhh, If he receives subsidy, the subsidy will go up to cover the higher costs is what I had read.... those in need and on the exchange don't get hurt

Ok, well, now I have concrete absolute proof of our claim.

View attachment 96373

Here was my old plan.

$80, which was $20 higher than the previous plan.

Here's what it's saying now.

View attachment 96375


$125 a month. I can't afford that. Thus ends my health insurance. Can't afford that.

From $60 to $125? Nah, sorry. Doubled my premiums in 2 years.

And by the way, the $60 had a $2,500 deductible. The $80 had a $5,000 deductible. Now it will be a $7,150 deductible.

You people... just live in your stupid socialists bubble, where your heros on high tell you endlessly how much better everything is, and ignore the voices of the people who actually live in the real world, facing the real costs..... even though they are the very people you claim to want to help.

Since I can't afford health insurance, I'll just go to the ER if I get sick, and you morons can foot 100% of the bill.

Andy, I don't know why you have had to go from your employee health care plan to Obamacare on the exchange and can only presume you are between jobs?

Your employer paid a great deal of your health care insurance and Ocare does not contribute as much towards your policy it what it could be?

Whatever you do, please check out a Silver Plan, the govt will come in and help you with your deductibles and out of pocket expenses and some other things in ADDITION to the premium subsidy IF your income is low..

If you are healthy, and can afford to go for an annual check up with labs at least once a year out of your own pocket, and are not some Mountain Climber or race car driver that is prone to accidents, I would PASS on that useless bronze plan and pay the penalty, if you have to...but check out the penalty exemptions, cuz you may even be able to get out of that....depending on your circumstances.

As a citizen, I am willing to pay for you with my taxes if you end up in the Emergency Room.

Andy, are you a smoker? Quit smoking. The rates are much lower for healthy people.

No. Never smoked. Never had an alcoholic drink. Never had an illegal drug.

 

[Andylusion]

Other societies have figure this out, we don't want it figured out here.

Are you kidding me, Fenton? That's your response? You progressives shoved this bill down the throats of everyone in this country and now healthcare costs are exploding and your only response is that we need to figure it out? HOW ABOUT FIGURING IT OUT BEFORE YOU PASSED LEGISLATION THAT AFFECTED 1/6 OF OUR ECONOMY AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!!! YOU ASSHAT!!!

Company/ Requested Premium Change / Approved
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, Inc. 14.5% 19.0%

Why Florida OKed higher 2017 premiums than health insurers sought

Florida Blue -- up 19.0%, not 350%.

Do you ever stop lying, ya con tool?

Ever??

Changes you'll see to your plan in 2017

Your new premium
* Your 2016 monthly premium is $120.61.
This reflects a monthly premium of $743.61 minus 623.00 of financial help per month.
* Starting in January, your estimated monthly premium will be $401.58.

The letter from Florida Blue arrived yesterday and my insurance premiums will have a 350% increase starting this January. Affordable Care Act? Thanks Barry! Thanks Harry! Thanks Nancy! Thanks Democrats!

What the hell happened to my savings of $2,500 a year?

Clearly you don't make enough money to be voting Republican.

And who knows what to believe. You've been so anti hillary since you got here in 2012. Your first post is a Benghazi thread. Do you know how many Benghazis happened on bush and Reagan's watch?

So you are a partisan hack. I hope your premiums bankrupt your stupid broke ass.

I'm a Middle Class American. I used to have healthcare coverage that was affordable and I could see my long time doctor with that healthcare plan. Then you progressives "fixed" healthcare with the Affordable Care Act and I now longer can see that doctor because he's not taking ObamaCare patients and my healthcare premiums will be going up 350% as of January. My ass isn't broke yet but if you clowns get to run things for much longer...it probably WILL be!

Look how much healthcare went up from 2000-2008. Yes healthcare needs to be fixed. We should have never let the insurance giants write it. Single payer is what we need.

Take out the profit motive

Oh, for the love of God! The insurance giants didn't write the Affordable Care Act...that was written by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, voted into being by Democrats and signed by Barack Obama! I'm sorry, Faun...but you guys OWN ObamaCare...lock stock and barrel!

The insurance companies did write it. They mandated that everyone must buy they products and they have some time where they get to raise their rates.

We all know the aca needs to be fixed. Let's do it

Yeah, it needs flat out repealed. Unfortunately, I doubt you people will allow that to happen. You'll keep screwing up the system until we nationalize it, and people die on waiting lists like Canada.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If yours is going up 350% with an Obamacare policy, and Fenton's is going up 400% with a non-Obamacare policy, what does that tell you?

Think about it before posting.

What it tells me is that he's a low wage earner looking to be subsidized by taxpayers

nahhh, If he receives subsidy, the subsidy will go up to cover the higher costs is what I had read.... those in need and on the exchange don't get hurt

Ok, well, now I have concrete absolute proof of our claim.

View attachment 96373

Here was my old plan.

$80, which was $20 higher than the previous plan.

Here's what it's saying now.

View attachment 96375


$125 a month. I can't afford that. Thus ends my health insurance. Can't afford that.

From $60 to $125? Nah, sorry. Doubled my premiums in 2 years.

And by the way, the $60 had a $2,500 deductible. The $80 had a $5,000 deductible. Now it will be a $7,150 deductible.

You people... just live in your stupid socialists bubble, where your heros on high tell you endlessly how much better everything is, and ignore the voices of the people who actually live in the real world, facing the real costs..... even though they are the very people you claim to want to help.

Since I can't afford health insurance, I'll just go to the ER if I get sick, and you morons can foot 100% of the bill.

Andy, I don't know why you have had to go from your employee health care plan to Obamacare on the exchange and can only presume you are between jobs?

Your employer paid a great deal of your health care insurance and Ocare does not contribute as much towards your policy it what it could be?

Whatever you do, please check out a Silver Plan, the govt will come in and help you with your deductibles and out of pocket expenses and some other things in ADDITION to the premium subsidy IF your income is low..

If you are healthy, and can afford to go for an annual check up with labs at least once a year out of your own pocket, and are not some Mountain Climber or race car driver that is prone to accidents, I would PASS on that useless bronze plan and pay the penalty, if you have to...but check out the penalty exemptions, cuz you may even be able to get out of that....depending on your circumstances.

As a citizen, I am willing to pay for you with my taxes if you end up in the Emergency Room.

The silver plans are horribly expensive. I'm simply not going to pay for them. It doesn't matter if the government will help cover deductibles, when I can't afford the premium to begin with. The lowest priced silver plan is over $200. I'll be lucky if I break $18,000 for this year, and you want me to cough up $200 a month?

And more importantly, before ObamaCare screwed up the entire market, I had cheaper insurance, that covered what I wanted.

Now, thanks to this idiocy, I can't afford it.

So yeah, I'll just pay the penalty, and the tax payers that screwed up the market with this socialist crap, can pay 100% of my bills instead.

You're assuming insurance companies wouldn't have increased prices to that much anyway, and are just blaming Obamacare because of their own reasons.

Capitalism in healthcare is the problem here. Of that $200 a month, $56 alone goes to the health insurance company. That's before you've paid for the hospital profits, the pharma company profits, the corruption (estimated to be 3% of US GDP, or at least 6% of what you're paying, so another $12 on top of your $56).

I'd estimate that at least 50% of what you're spending on healthcare just ends up in someone's pocket for doing something that shouldn't be done for profit.

 

[Andylusion]

What it tells me is that he's a low wage earner looking to be subsidized by taxpayers

nahhh, If he receives subsidy, the subsidy will go up to cover the higher costs is what I had read.... those in need and on the exchange don't get hurt

Ok, well, now I have concrete absolute proof of our claim.

View attachment 96373

Here was my old plan.

$80, which was $20 higher than the previous plan.

Here's what it's saying now.

View attachment 96375


$125 a month. I can't afford that. Thus ends my health insurance. Can't afford that.

From $60 to $125? Nah, sorry. Doubled my premiums in 2 years.

And by the way, the $60 had a $2,500 deductible. The $80 had a $5,000 deductible. Now it will be a $7,150 deductible.

You people... just live in your stupid socialists bubble, where your heros on high tell you endlessly how much better everything is, and ignore the voices of the people who actually live in the real world, facing the real costs..... even though they are the very people you claim to want to help.

Since I can't afford health insurance, I'll just go to the ER if I get sick, and you morons can foot 100% of the bill.

You are comparing employee coverage that you got from your employer to an individual policy on the exchange. Why is that?

Who said I was comparing employer to an individual policy?

All three that I mentioned were private insurance policies.

If you've read my posts about my life, you know I rarely ever stay long at any job. I constantly had to chance insurance over and over, and finally realize it was better to just have private insurance.... or at least it was better to have private insurance.

You used to be able to get basic coverage for a very low price until Obama Care screwed it all up.

One of your comparative MemeIts listed the cost for an employee.

So I looked up the screen shot, and you are correct it does say that. I have absolutely not idea why. It's not an employee plan. I've never had an employee plan with Aetna. Here's another screen shot of the same plan, but this time it's my bill pay screen.

Type Individual List Bill. Same Premium $80. Again, I have no clue why the other screen says "employee". And if I click on "details", the other screen says employee. But it simply isn't. I got this policy through the health exchange last year. Plan effective date is 1/1/16.

 

[Andylusion]

What it tells me is that he's a low wage earner looking to be subsidized by taxpayers

nahhh, If he receives subsidy, the subsidy will go up to cover the higher costs is what I had read.... those in need and on the exchange don't get hurt

Ok, well, now I have concrete absolute proof of our claim.

View attachment 96373

Here was my old plan.

$80, which was $20 higher than the previous plan.

Here's what it's saying now.

View attachment 96375


$125 a month. I can't afford that. Thus ends my health insurance. Can't afford that.

From $60 to $125? Nah, sorry. Doubled my premiums in 2 years.

And by the way, the $60 had a $2,500 deductible. The $80 had a $5,000 deductible. Now it will be a $7,150 deductible.

You people... just live in your stupid socialists bubble, where your heros on high tell you endlessly how much better everything is, and ignore the voices of the people who actually live in the real world, facing the real costs..... even though they are the very people you claim to want to help.

Since I can't afford health insurance, I'll just go to the ER if I get sick, and you morons can foot 100% of the bill.

Andy, I don't know why you have had to go from your employee health care plan to Obamacare on the exchange and can only presume you are between jobs?

Your employer paid a great deal of your health care insurance and Ocare does not contribute as much towards your policy it what it could be?

Whatever you do, please check out a Silver Plan, the govt will come in and help you with your deductibles and out of pocket expenses and some other things in ADDITION to the premium subsidy IF your income is low..

If you are healthy, and can afford to go for an annual check up with labs at least once a year out of your own pocket, and are not some Mountain Climber or race car driver that is prone to accidents, I would PASS on that useless bronze plan and pay the penalty, if you have to...but check out the penalty exemptions, cuz you may even be able to get out of that....depending on your circumstances.

As a citizen, I am willing to pay for you with my taxes if you end up in the Emergency Room.

The silver plans are horribly expensive. I'm simply not going to pay for them. It doesn't matter if the government will help cover deductibles, when I can't afford the premium to begin with. The lowest priced silver plan is over $200. I'll be lucky if I break $18,000 for this year, and you want me to cough up $200 a month?

And more importantly, before ObamaCare screwed up the entire market, I had cheaper insurance, that covered what I wanted.

Now, thanks to this idiocy, I can't afford it.

So yeah, I'll just pay the penalty, and the tax payers that screwed up the market with this socialist crap, can pay 100% of my bills instead.

You're assuming insurance companies wouldn't have increased prices to that much anyway, and are just blaming Obamacare because of their own reasons.

Capitalism in healthcare is the problem here. Of that $200 a month, $56 alone goes to the health insurance company. That's before you've paid for the hospital profits, the pharma company profits, the corruption (estimated to be 3% of US GDP, or at least 6% of what you're paying, so another $12 on top of your $56).

I'd estimate that at least 50% of what you're spending on healthcare just ends up in someone's pocket for doing something that shouldn't be done for profit.

Actually I'm not assuming much. In the 1990s, my premium was about $50 a month. In 2006, I got an insurance policy for just $67 a month.

You are suggesting that insurance premiums went from $67 in 2006, to $250 today just from the market? No, regulations caused that.

Second, without profit, none of the entire health care system would exist. A hospital without profit, closes and helps no one. Without profit doctors refuse to work. Without profit medical companies close and leave the market. Without profit, insurance doesn't exist.

Name one system, anywhere on this planet, that exists without profit? Greece? Closed hospitals, no drugs, patients stacked on beds like a warehouse?

20 patients in a room designed for 3. See all the help they are getting? Nope? Me neither. But at least the hospital isn't profiting.

Well look what we found! All the help those patients were not getting? It's right here! They are striking! Apparently doctors want to profit from their work. Darn greedy capitalists in that socialist system.

Point being, profit is what makes the world go around. Always has been, even in soviet Russia, and Communist China. And it always will be.

If you think you are ever going to get drugs without profit.... check out Cuba:

No profit here... no drugs for anyone to use either... but at least no profit. Contrary to the propaganda claim, many drugs are available in Cuba to tourists who pay profitable prices to Cuba's government. But to the average Cuban who is paid in pesos, drugs are almost non-existent. I heard that some can get two pills of Aspirin if they have a voucher, and only if the pills are available.

You know why France only has access to drugs that are 5 years old, and never uses the newest drugs? Because the older ones are cheaper, and come under the price cap. The older ones are cheaper, but they still make a profit.

And by the way, when the French government on rare occasion cuts prices on a drug, and makes it unprofitable... the drug companies stop selling it.

Nothing happens without profit. Nothing. You will never create a system, where that isn't the case. If you do, then you won't have a system anymore. I'll have a death trap.

 

[Andylusion]

Anyone who does not like the ACA rates is welcome to come back to coverage under private insurance plans in the USA...if they are healthy enough to be accepted.

That being the case, I guess that I don't understand just what the hell folks are whining about.

We can't. That's what we are complaining about. The ACA drastically increased the minimum requirements for health insurance.

What that did was eliminate all the cheaper plans. I can't get a $67 insurance policy that covers just what I need anymore. Those plans don't exist.

Outside of the ACA, the cheapest priced insurance is now $250 to $300 a month.

I can not just go back to the private market. The ACA wiped out the private market. And I can't afford what is on the ACA.

So thanks to you people.... no insurance at all. Now you get to pay 100% of my health care needs. Serves you morons right.

 

[sealybobo]

Other societies have figure this out, we don't want it figured out here.

Are you kidding me, Fenton? That's your response? You progressives shoved this bill down the throats of everyone in this country and now healthcare costs are exploding and your only response is that we need to figure it out? HOW ABOUT FIGURING IT OUT BEFORE YOU PASSED LEGISLATION THAT AFFECTED 1/6 OF OUR ECONOMY AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!!! YOU ASSHAT!!!

Company/ Requested Premium Change / Approved
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, Inc. 14.5% 19.0%

Why Florida OKed higher 2017 premiums than health insurers sought

Florida Blue -- up 19.0%, not 350%.

Do you ever stop lying, ya con tool?

Ever??

Changes you'll see to your plan in 2017

Your new premium
* Your 2016 monthly premium is $120.61.
This reflects a monthly premium of $743.61 minus 623.00 of financial help per month.
* Starting in January, your estimated monthly premium will be $401.58.

Clearly you don't make enough money to be voting Republican.

And who knows what to believe. You've been so anti hillary since you got here in 2012. Your first post is a Benghazi thread. Do you know how many Benghazis happened on bush and Reagan's watch?

So you are a partisan hack. I hope your premiums bankrupt your stupid broke ass.

I'm a Middle Class American. I used to have healthcare coverage that was affordable and I could see my long time doctor with that healthcare plan. Then you progressives "fixed" healthcare with the Affordable Care Act and I now longer can see that doctor because he's not taking ObamaCare patients and my healthcare premiums will be going up 350% as of January. My ass isn't broke yet but if you clowns get to run things for much longer...it probably WILL be!

Look how much healthcare went up from 2000-2008. Yes healthcare needs to be fixed. We should have never let the insurance giants write it. Single payer is what we need.

Take out the profit motive

Oh, for the love of God! The insurance giants didn't write the Affordable Care Act...that was written by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, voted into being by Democrats and signed by Barack Obama! I'm sorry, Faun...but you guys OWN ObamaCare...lock stock and barrel!

The insurance companies did write it. They mandated that everyone must buy they products and they have some time where they get to raise their rates.

We all know the aca needs to be fixed. Let's do it

Yeah, it needs flat out repealed. Unfortunately, I doubt you people will allow that to happen. You'll keep screwing up the system until we nationalize it, and people die on waiting lists like Canada.

Canada laughs at you. Especially how much you are paying

 

[sealybobo]

Anyone who does not like the ACA rates is welcome to come back to coverage under private insurance plans in the USA...if they are healthy enough to be accepted.

That being the case, I guess that I don't understand just what the hell folks are whining about.

We can't. That's what we are complaining about. The ACA drastically increased the minimum requirements for health insurance.

What that did was eliminate all the cheaper plans. I can't get a $67 insurance policy that covers just what I need anymore. Those plans don't exist.

Outside of the ACA, the cheapest priced insurance is now $250 to $300 a month.

I can not just go back to the private market. The ACA wiped out the private market. And I can't afford what is on the ACA.

So thanks to you people.... no insurance at all. Now you get to pay 100% of my health care needs. Serves you morons right.

We pay a little more so losers like you can have insurance.

Plus you cost us more when you didn't have insurance.

We get it. It's too expensive. We need single payer, player

 

[Andylusion]

Anyone who does not like the ACA rates is welcome to come back to coverage under private insurance plans in the USA...if they are healthy enough to be accepted.

That being the case, I guess that I don't understand just what the hell folks are whining about.

That is a legitimate question.

The first answer might be the stupid burden the law placed on policies that increased their costs by 4 fold.

If that had not happened, I think the ACA would have seemed less objectionable.

Well, so some insurer's are finding that ACA costs them money, and so they stop participating in ACA, in which case, ACA does NOT cost them money, and you are saying that they are raising their prices for traditional insurance because ACA is costing them money?

That's not true.

They are leaving the health care market place. That's true.

But all plans, of all types are affected by the ACA whether they are part of the market place or not.

For example, the pre-existing condition clauses, force insurance companies to cover people who refused to buy insurance until they got cancer. Well of course that drives up costs on the company, which drives up costs on the premium payers (us), whether the insurance company was part of the 'market place" or not.

Another example would be the requirements on what all policies must cover. For example alcoholism treatment. Alcoholism treatment is horribly expensive, because people go forever, and then they have an extremely high relapse rate.

That's massively expensive on the company, which is passed on to the premium payers (you and me), whether they are part of the health exchange market place or not.

The ACA screwed over the entire health care market universally. No one is exempt.

 

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Are you kidding me, Fenton? That's your response? You progressives shoved this bill down the throats of everyone in this country and now healthcare costs are exploding and your only response is that we need to figure it out? HOW ABOUT FIGURING IT OUT BEFORE YOU PASSED LEGISLATION THAT AFFECTED 1/6 OF OUR ECONOMY AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!!! YOU ASSHAT!!!

Company/ Requested Premium Change / Approved
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, Inc. 14.5% 19.0%

Why Florida OKed higher 2017 premiums than health insurers sought

Florida Blue -- up 19.0%, not 350%.

Do you ever stop lying, ya con tool?

Ever??

Changes you'll see to your plan in 2017

Your new premium
* Your 2016 monthly premium is $120.61.
This reflects a monthly premium of $743.61 minus 623.00 of financial help per month.
* Starting in January, your estimated monthly premium will be $401.58.

I'm a Middle Class American. I used to have healthcare coverage that was affordable and I could see my long time doctor with that healthcare plan. Then you progressives "fixed" healthcare with the Affordable Care Act and I now longer can see that doctor because he's not taking ObamaCare patients and my healthcare premiums will be going up 350% as of January. My ass isn't broke yet but if you clowns get to run things for much longer...it probably WILL be!

Look how much healthcare went up from 2000-2008. Yes healthcare needs to be fixed. We should have never let the insurance giants write it. Single payer is what we need.

Take out the profit motive

Oh, for the love of God! The insurance giants didn't write the Affordable Care Act...that was written by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, voted into being by Democrats and signed by Barack Obama! I'm sorry, Faun...but you guys OWN ObamaCare...lock stock and barrel!

The insurance companies did write it. They mandated that everyone must buy they products and they have some time where they get to raise their rates.

We all know the aca needs to be fixed. Let's do it

Yeah, it needs flat out repealed. Unfortunately, I doubt you people will allow that to happen. You'll keep screwing up the system until we nationalize it, and people die on waiting lists like Canada.

Canada laughs at you. Especially how much you are paying

Which is why over a hundred thousand Canadians came to the US and paid for health care out of pocket, even after paying the massive taxes to fund their system they came here to escape.

Yeah... they are laughing at us. That's true. They are laughing that we are so dumb, we're adopting the system they came here to escape.

 

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Anyone who does not like the ACA rates is welcome to come back to coverage under private insurance plans in the USA...if they are healthy enough to be accepted.

That being the case, I guess that I don't understand just what the hell folks are whining about.

We can't. That's what we are complaining about. The ACA drastically increased the minimum requirements for health insurance.

What that did was eliminate all the cheaper plans. I can't get a $67 insurance policy that covers just what I need anymore. Those plans don't exist.

Outside of the ACA, the cheapest priced insurance is now $250 to $300 a month.

I can not just go back to the private market. The ACA wiped out the private market. And I can't afford what is on the ACA.

So thanks to you people.... no insurance at all. Now you get to pay 100% of my health care needs. Serves you morons right.

We pay a little more so losers like you can have insurance.

Plus you cost us more when you didn't have insurance.

We get it. It's too expensive. We need single payer, player

I had insurance before that cost you zero.

Now you are paying a ton more, that forced me to pay more for insurance.

Soon you'll pay a massive amount more, so I can have no insurance.

I did my part. I paid for my bills when you allowed me the chance. Now you screwed the system so bad, that you'll pay all my bills.

Who is the loser here? You are the one that screwed yourself over. Not me. I didn't vote for this. You did.