Kavanaugh/Ford Opinon threads from Saturday, Sept 23, 2018

[Coyote]

They rolled around as drunken kids who cant even drive yet and remained clothed
No rape
No assault
Nothing

Says you, citing your imagination.

Ford says that she was pulled into the bedroom against her will, that they turned up music so no one would be able to hear her, that Kavanaugh held her down, that Kavanaugh covered her mouth when she tried to scream to such an extent that Ford thought that Kavanaugh might kill her inadvertantly.

That Kavanaugh tried to remove her swimsuit while she was pinned and kept from screaming.

That's forcible attempted rape.

Rape is ictually going into the vagina. Grabbing a breast is not rape Skyliar

Per Ford's account, Kavanaugh tried to pull off her swim suit while holding his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream.

That's attempted forcible rape.

Wrong silly. Others chime in
You are stabbing yourself to death in front of us. Might wanna stop

How is it not attempted rape?

 

[Coyote]

But only if you're a Conservative, of course. I mean, of course.

This is your daily reminder that if you're a Democrat, you can beat up your girlfriend on Domestic Violence charges and the Left won't whisper a peep. Heck, you can engage in shenanigans in the Oval Office with an intern and be impeached and STILL be lauded as a great statesman decades later.

But if your record is spotless save for one woman who says, 36 years later, that you once did things with her she didn't like, when you were both drunk and you were 17--your ship is sunk. Butamotral person in Trump. You ekected the most vile, disgusted, wioman abusing .. again: only if you're Conservative. This would be laughed off if you were a Democrat, because of COURSE you did those things.

They'd call you Uncle Brett for it. Maybe they'd wonder why you didn't drive her into a lake.

You Conservatives re-elected David Vitter when Spitzer was ousted. Conservatives voted Donald Trump, the most vile, amoral, women abusers of all time. Trump had an affair with a porn star, Edwards was ousted. You ignore that Kavaugh was a drunk in high school & tried to rape a girl.
Don't lie & pretend that Conservatives are the party of family values.

No proof has been offered. The accuser is too cowardly to testify!

In real life Willow, it is extremely difficult for a victim of sexual assault to face her attacker.

 

[Coyote]

Happens all the time. Her story is not full of holes. She is not looking at criminal charges. Se is telling you what a POS Kavanaufh really is. Obviously, anyone who voted for the amoral POS Trump doesn't care how many girls Kavanaugh assaulted.

So, you believe he is a piece of shit based on her very very foggy recollections? How every dumb of you. Chances are you didn’t like him In the first place and you are willing to believe anything negative about him because it supports your narrative.

I said Ford is telling us what a POS Kavanaugh is based on his actions.

What kind of asshole is playing frat boy in Law School or any grad school?

I'll believe the well respected PhD college professor that has nothing to gain in coming forward.

Oh please sure she does. If she has TDS bad enough she has everything to gain. She probably has TDS so bad she didn't really anticipate all this hubbub; she was blinded by the glory of taking down Kavanaugh. Well, too bad for her now. And yes, I do mean that, short of the death threats, because she doesn't deserve that.

Also, she will be a lib hero if she can be the instrument in blocking Kavanaugh from SCOTUS. Actually, she is a lib hero already for just attempting.

This woman is already unraveling. She is a psychologist who can't fly--she's terrified of confined spaces. Now what would she say to a client who came in with similar issues--that's fine, just never fly your whole life? Drive cross country? Never travel across the ocean, or take a liner?

no, of course not. She would probably say "overcome your fears" or whatever. But this lady has to be coddled for whatever reason, and the Dems will line up today to tell us why.

This is nuts. She is nuts.

And that is how you destroy her and discount anything she might say.

 

[WillowTree]

But only if you're a Conservative, of course. I mean, of course.

This is your daily reminder that if you're a Democrat, you can beat up your girlfriend on Domestic Violence charges and the Left won't whisper a peep. Heck, you can engage in shenanigans in the Oval Office with an intern and be impeached and STILL be lauded as a great statesman decades later.

But if your record is spotless save for one woman who says, 36 years later, that you once did things with her she didn't like, when you were both drunk and you were 17--your ship is sunk. Butamotral person in Trump. You ekected the most vile, disgusted, wioman abusing .. again: only if you're Conservative. This would be laughed off if you were a Democrat, because of COURSE you did those things.

They'd call you Uncle Brett for it. Maybe they'd wonder why you didn't drive her into a lake.

You Conservatives re-elected David Vitter when Spitzer was ousted. Conservatives voted Donald Trump, the most vile, amoral, women abusers of all time. Trump had an affair with a porn star, Edwards was ousted. You ignore that Kavaugh was a drunk in high school & tried to rape a girl.
Don't lie & pretend that Conservatives are the party of family values.

No proof has been offered. The accuser is too cowardly to testify!

In real life Willow, it is extremely difficult for a victim of sexual assault to face her attacker.

Did she think she could make such an accusation and not face the accused? He has a right to face his accuser does he not?

 

[skookerasbil]

So, you believe he is a piece of shit based on her very very foggy recollections? How every dumb of you. Chances are you didn’t like him In the first place and you are willing to believe anything negative about him because it supports your narrative.

I said Ford is telling us what a POS Kavanaugh is based on his actions.

What kind of asshole is playing frat boy in Law School or any grad school?

I'll believe the well respected PhD college professor that has nothing to gain in coming forward.

Oh please sure she does. If she has TDS bad enough she has everything to gain. She probably has TDS so bad she didn't really anticipate all this hubbub; she was blinded by the glory of taking down Kavanaugh. Well, too bad for her now. And yes, I do mean that, short of the death threats, because she doesn't deserve that.

Also, she will be a lib hero if she can be the instrument in blocking Kavanaugh from SCOTUS. Actually, she is a lib hero already for just attempting.

This woman is already unraveling. She is a psychologist who can't fly--she's terrified of confined spaces. Now what would she say to a client who came in with similar issues--that's fine, just never fly your whole life? Drive cross country? Never travel across the ocean, or take a liner?

no, of course not. She would probably say "overcome your fears" or whatever. But this lady has to be coddled for whatever reason, and the Dems will line up today to tell us why.

This is nuts. She is nuts.

And that is how you destroy her and discount anything she might say.

Sweetie.....hate to break it to you but this is not at all a legal matter. She has said already anything that is at all relevant. Everything else from here on out is nothing but noise and Congress knows it. So please save yourself the embarrassment of looking idiotic.

This is a political matter ....nobody cares about the facts of the case at this point except the k00ks..... it was 36 years ago.... no corroborating witness.... no evidence.... done deal. People like me are going to be laughing our nutsacks off a week from now. The spikings of the football are going to be epic!! Wait....wait.... you'll see honey!

 

[skookerasbil]

Only the men-hating feminist bulldogs are siding with Ford this point..... which is exactly why the president came out with his tweet last night giving the middle finger to the left on this. Top story on Drudge right now..... saw it this morning and I'm still laughing my balls off!!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

nobody cares about the facts of the case at this point

Maybe the one correct thing you have said in a year. True, you Trump cultists could not care less how many people Mr AbortionSlayer has raped. A rare moment of accidental honesty, from a trump cultist.

 

[JoeMoma]

So, you believe he is a piece of shit based on her very very foggy recollections? How every dumb of you. Chances are you didn’t like him In the first place and you are willing to believe anything negative about him because it supports your narrative.

I said Ford is telling us what a POS Kavanaugh is based on his actions.

What kind of asshole is playing frat boy in Law School or any grad school?

I'll believe the well respected PhD college professor that has nothing to gain in coming forward.

Oh please sure she does. If she has TDS bad enough she has everything to gain. She probably has TDS so bad she didn't really anticipate all this hubbub; she was blinded by the glory of taking down Kavanaugh. Well, too bad for her now. And yes, I do mean that, short of the death threats, because she doesn't deserve that.

Also, she will be a lib hero if she can be the instrument in blocking Kavanaugh from SCOTUS. Actually, she is a lib hero already for just attempting.

This woman is already unraveling. She is a psychologist who can't fly--she's terrified of confined spaces. Now what would she say to a client who came in with similar issues--that's fine, just never fly your whole life? Drive cross country? Never travel across the ocean, or take a liner?

no, of course not. She would probably say "overcome your fears" or whatever. But this lady has to be coddled for whatever reason, and the Dems will line up today to tell us why.

This is nuts. She is nuts.

And that is how you destroy her and discount anything she might say.

It does point to the Ford lady having "Issues". And I highly doubt that all these issues spring from a two minute incident with some boy that she thinks was trying to rape her.

 

[dave p]

Please name one Democrat who has said that Ellison's accuser lied.

The Democrats are being exceptionally quiet regarding Ellison. Where is the outrage, where is the same urgency of getting to the truth? Face it there are two standards here. Its obvious.

Is Ellison going for SCOTUS?

Doesn’t matter

 

[boedicca]

But only if you're a Conservative, of course. I mean, of course.

This is your daily reminder that if you're a Democrat, you can beat up your girlfriend on Domestic Violence charges and the Left won't whisper a peep. Heck, you can engage in shenanigans in the Oval Office with an intern and be impeached and STILL be lauded as a great statesman decades later.

But if your record is spotless save for one woman who says, 36 years later, that you once did things with her she didn't like, when you were both drunk and you were 17--your ship is sunk. Butamotral person in Trump. You ekected the most vile, disgusted, wioman abusing .. again: only if you're Conservative. This would be laughed off if you were a Democrat, because of COURSE you did those things.

They'd call you Uncle Brett for it. Maybe they'd wonder why you didn't drive her into a lake.

You Conservatives re-elected David Vitter when Spitzer was ousted. Conservatives voted Donald Trump, the most vile, amoral, women abusers of all time. Trump had an affair with a porn star, Edwards was ousted. You ignore that Kavaugh was a drunk in high school & tried to rape a girl.
Don't lie & pretend that Conservatives are the party of family values.

No proof has been offered. The accuser is too cowardly to testify!

In real life Willow, it is extremely difficult for a victim of sexual assault to face her attacker.

Did she think she could make such an accusation and not face the accused? He has a right to face his accuser does he not?

Indeed. What the Proggies are promoting is that Men are only innocent until they are accused. And then they are guilty until they can prove their innocence.

That is about as UnAmerican a concept as one can find.

 

[Tilly]

uh-huh. i pity any so called 'conservatives' on this this thread. hopefully none of you have daughters.

i wonder if any of that ilk also believe that a 'man' shouldn't be charged with raping his wife after she refuses him.... that rape doesn't exist in a 'marriage'.

You hope none have daughters? Why? Many have sons, fathers, brothers who could be as falsely accused as Kavanaugh is.

Women should not lie about sexual assault for political or social gain.

Men should NOT abuse women. How about that?

Those women that are abused certainly should speak up even when there are no witnesses.

Which is why there should be serious penalties when they lie. Start putting a few of these women in prison, give men millions in settlements, perhaps it would give women pause to think about consequences.

Denial is not proof of shit.

Neither is an accusation.

 

[skookerasbil]

nobody cares about the facts of the case at this point

Maybe the one correct thing you have said in a year. True, you Trump cultists could not care less how many people Mr AbortionSlayer has raped. A rare moment of accidental honesty, from a trump cultist.

That's right s0n.... we don't give a flying fuck! We want the divide greater.....far greater......as it needs to be!!

That's why 50 million people are spiking the football this morning over the president's tweet yesterday!!

 

[Hiryuu]

But only if you're a Conservative, of course. I mean, of course.

This is your daily reminder that if you're a Democrat, you can beat up your girlfriend on Domestic Violence charges and the Left won't whisper a peep. Heck, you can engage in shenanigans in the Oval Office with an intern and be impeached and STILL be lauded as a great statesman decades later.

But if your record is spotless save for one woman who says, 36 years later, that you once did things with her she didn't like, when you were both drunk and you were 17--your ship is sunk. Butamotral person in Trump. You ekected the most vile, disgusted, wioman abusing .. again: only if you're Conservative. This would be laughed off if you were a Democrat, because of COURSE you did those things.

They'd call you Uncle Brett for it. Maybe they'd wonder why you didn't drive her into a lake.

You Conservatives re-elected David Vitter when Spitzer was ousted. Conservatives voted Donald Trump, the most vile, amoral, women abusers of all time. Trump had an affair with a porn star, Edwards was ousted. You ignore that Kavaugh was a drunk in high school & tried to rape a girl.
Don't lie & pretend that Conservatives are the party of family values.

No proof has been offered. The accuser is too cowardly to testify!

In real life Willow, it is extremely difficult for a victim of sexual assault to face her attacker.

Did she think she could make such an accusation and not face the accused? He has a right to face his accuser does he not?

If you fall on procedure, The Judiciary Committee invited her to testify. They indicated to her and her lawyers the testimony could be public or private. They indicated to her and her lawyers if she couldn't come to them, they would go to California.

They indicated to her and her lawyers she had until 10:00 hrs on Friday to decide if she wanted to testify on Monday. They indicated to her and her lawyers that if Monday was not possible they could make it Wednesday. When she missed the 10:00 hrs deadline, they extended it 12 hours to 22:00 hrs. When she missed the 22:00 hrs deadline, they have given her another 24 hours.

She doesn't get to pick the particulars of the venue outside of location if she chooses California. She doesn't get to decide the procedures under which the testimony will occur if and when she decides to testify. It has been established Anglo Saxon Law for more than 800 years that the accused gets to respond after the accuser testifies.

I don't necessarily want to believe either Dr. Ford or Brett Kavanuagh, but I can say the Judiciary Committee has done enough to offer Dr. Ford the ability to testify.

 

[dave p]

This woman's entire story is suspect and would never hold up in a court of law.

Nope not ever. You can't go into count with zero evidence and a story full of holes. Even a first year law student will tell you that

Happens all the time. Her story is not full of holes. She is not looking at criminal charges. Se is telling you what a POS Kavanaufh really is. Obviously, anyone who voted for the amoral POS Trump doesn't care how many girls Kavanaugh assaulted.

So, you believe he is a piece of shit based on her very very foggy recollections? How every dumb of you. Chances are you didn’t like him In the first place and you are willing to believe anything negative about him because it supports your narrative.

I said Ford is telling us what a POS Kavanaugh is based on his actions.

What kind of asshole is playing frat boy in Law School or any grad school?

I'll believe the well respected PhD college professor that has nothing to gain in coming forward.

You have no idea what his actions were. She isn’t that respected.

 

[dave p]

They rolled around as drunken kids who cant even drive yet and remained clothed
No rape
No assault
Nothing

Says you, citing your imagination.

Ford says that she was pulled into the bedroom against her will, that they turned up music so no one would be able to hear her, that Kavanaugh held her down, that Kavanaugh covered her mouth when she tried to scream to such an extent that Ford thought that Kavanaugh might kill her inadvertantly.

That Kavanaugh tried to remove her swimsuit while she was pinned and kept from screaming.

That's forcible attempted rape.

Rape is ictually going into the vagina. Grabbing a breast is not rape Skyliar

Per Ford's account, Kavanaugh tried to pull off her swim suit while holding his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream.

That's attempted forcible rape.

Alleged

 

[WEATHER53]

Where’s the kid who claims it’s rape to roll around in your swimwear?

 

[WEATHER53]

They rolled around as drunken kids who cant even drive yet and remained clothed
No rape
No assault
Nothing

Says you, citing your imagination.

Ford says that she was pulled into the bedroom against her will, that they turned up music so no one would be able to hear her, that Kavanaugh held her down, that Kavanaugh covered her mouth when she tried to scream to such an extent that Ford thought that Kavanaugh might kill her inadvertantly.

That Kavanaugh tried to remove her swimsuit while she was pinned and kept from screaming.

That's forcible attempted rape.

Rape is ictually going into the vagina. Grabbing a breast is not rape Skyliar

Per Ford's account, Kavanaugh tried to pull off her swim suit while holding his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream.

That's attempted forcible rape.

Wrong silly. Others chime in
You are stabbing yourself to death in front of us. Might wanna stop

covering her mouth to muffle her screams

turning up the radio to muffle her screams

lying on top of her to prevent her from leaving

attempting to take off her bathing suit against her consent

all add up to attempted sexual assault.

& the term 'rape' is legally defined as more than what you described.

educate yourself.

I know it appeals to your feelings to exaggerate a youthful roll about as rape but even if every word was true it’s not rape. Since she was drunk and there of her own accord I doubt a case can even be made for attempted sexual assault of a minor by a minor
I am educated and driven by fact and not what I feel nor wish

 

[WEATHER53]

They rolled around as drunken kids who cant even drive yet and remained clothed
No rape
No assault
Nothing

Says you, citing your imagination.

Ford says that she was pulled into the bedroom against her will, that they turned up music so no one would be able to hear her, that Kavanaugh held her down, that Kavanaugh covered her mouth when she tried to scream to such an extent that Ford thought that Kavanaugh might kill her inadvertantly.

That Kavanaugh tried to remove her swimsuit while she was pinned and kept from screaming.

That's forcible attempted rape.

Rape is ictually going into the vagina. Grabbing a breast is not rape Skyliar

Per Ford's account, Kavanaugh tried to pull off her swim suit while holding his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream.

That's attempted forcible rape.

Wrong silly. Others chime in
You are stabbing yourself to death in front of us. Might wanna stop

How is it not attempted rape?

See this is the ole liberal prove yourself innocent, it does not work.Rape has a factual definition look it up and give us a book report on it if you can

 

[Tilly]

Welp, that makes me even less likely to believe a single word she says, even one. Because that very rarely out of nowhere. It's very very rarely great guy, great guy, great guy, TOTAL MONSTER, great guy, great guy.

And if he really pulled her into her room against her will--yep I think she would have told people at the time. You don't tell people about drunken fumbling. You do tell about attempted forcible rape.

That does it for me--she's actually lying.

She passed a polygraph test administered by a former FBI agent.

What were the questions they asked? Did they ask, "Did Brett Kavanaugh pull you into a room against your will, put his hand over your mouth..." etc? Or did they ask her more general and "soft" questions?

Do you even know?

We have two accounts. One is backed by a polygraph. One is not.

And you're insisting that the person who passed the polygraph shouldn't be believed.

Um, why?

No....we have an accusation that cannot be backed up with physical evidence or witnesses...the named witness to the alleged attack says he didn't see it happen..........the victim tells us she can't remember where it happened or when it happened and that the only reason she even remembered it was "memory regression" therapy 30 years later........that is what you do not have, actual evidence....

So, it is OK to rape women if there are no witnesses.

Women are normally raped without witnessses present.
Then they normally go to the police and report it and evidence is gathered so it can be determined whether or not she has indeed been raped.
Don’t you know this?.

 

[Tilly]

People can forget bad experiences in early childhood just like they can forget anything else. It's unlikely that a 15 year old would forget such an event from "repression" or would recover it from "repression therapy". However, the memory is very suggestible.

False Memory Syndrome Foundation

that would be open to questioning if the (R)s allowed the therapist to testify. they aren't allowing it. hmmmm.....

The so-called victim is a therapist herself. They can just ask her. They can get the entire story straight from her, so why waste time? That would be like asking an oncologist about the cancer that an oncologist patient has. Why would you bother? Just ask the patient. Saves time, comes straight from the source.

because her testimony can be corroborated with witness'.

duh.

Really? What witnesses have come forward? I mean actual witnesses who have not retracted. What you got?

her doctor & her husband dating back to 2012. what harm is it to have them testify under oath? because it's' time saving?'

lol....

Neither of them were at the alleged party where the alleged incident took place and there is absolutely no mention of Kavanaugh in the therapists notes.
How are they witnesses?