Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[2aguy]

Jesus Christ; Because it's just as easy to keep guns our of everyone's hands period. Good bad, left right, Nazi, socialist, nutcase radicals. Enough is enough.

I think this woman explains it rather well.....

 

[Wry Catcher]

Men and power issues, that is what this is really about. Guns are a phallic symbol. I have had men point a gun at me and have bullets in my house. That is really why I want gun control. It isn't to much to ask if people don't threaten other people with firearms anymore. All these mass shootings like Sandy Hook or Aurora theater shootings, enough is enough.

I always enjoy the pompous opinions and judgmental attitudes of liberal city snobs who know nothing about guns other than what you see on TV and in the liberal media. I'd tell the women I know who love guns that it's a phallic symbol, but they don't give a shit what you think either.

And here's the thing on your last sentence begging the question. You already got your way in Sandy Hook and the Aurora theater. Only the shooters had guns. How'd that work out for your looking down your haughty nose self superior attitude?

Do you suppose each 6 year old should have been armed, and the K teacher too? Or maybe an armed guard in every classroom on every campus in every state?

No, you wouldn't want to pay for that; it's better in the mind and black heart of the callous conservative/gun lovers that the deaths at Sandy Hook were simply the cost of liberty and freedom.

Liberals certainly see them as the cost of tyranny. The school was a gun-free zone. Which means the law abiding citizens were unarmed while the criminal was armed.
How'd that work out for everybody?
But liberals are fine with dead victims. It makes them feel so self righteous and empathetic. They dont do well with live heroes, like Chris Kyle. They feel bad for bad guys.

"liberals are fine with dead victims"? Are you so stupid that you feel anyone but others like you believe supporters of gun controls are all liberals, or any human being was fine with the horrific murders at Sandy Hook?

Of course you and the other gun lovers are distressed every time a mass murder takes place, not because innocent victims die, but because you will need to once again defend the insane gun policy which exists in our country.

Supporters of gun control are uniformly liberals. But not all liberals are in favor of gun control. I realize that distinction might tax your brain.
But look at the difference in reaction to the church shootings at the New Life Church in Colorado and the church in South Carolina. You'll probably have to google the New Life Church shootings because it was so under-reported.

How many meetings occur in every church in America everyday, and twice or more on Sunday? Pointing out a shooting where the crazed gunman was killed by a member of the church eight years ago is hardly convincing of anything beyond your desperate need to find some reason to attack efforts to reasonably mitigate gun violence in America.

Advocating for more guns iin the hands of more people is insane.

 

[The Rabbi]

An 11 year old child received a D on his report card. His stepfather told him if he got any D's or F's he would make him quit Little League Baseball.

The child begged the teacher to change the grade, she refused.

The child when home, took his stepfathers handgun from the night stand in his mother and Stepfather's bedroom. He then went to his room and got his baseball jacket and then went to the living room, folded the jacket on his lap, put the gun in his mouth and died.

A trigger lock, a gun safe or an unloaded gun would have most likely prevented this horrible event. One which impacted his teacher, the family (soon divorced), his team and coaches.

Rabbi(t) is full of shit.

One anecdotal story proves what in your mind exactly? Is that your standard for your own positions? That one anecdotal story torpedoes your arguments?

It proves one thing, it created my support for laws to require trigger locks and other means to secure guns in homes, a law passed in and in the CA penal code. Something which would not occur to you and other callous conservatives devoid of empathy and something which gun lovers like you would oppose as an infringement on your rights.

It also makes gun owners criminally and civilly culpable, another thing for the NRA and its disciples to whine about.

and make a firearm about as useful as a wet noodle for self defense.

The law provides paranoids to carry a loaded weapon within their home. So it is legal to get up, put on your slippers and gun belt and have a nice day.

Most people have to leave home to work, shop, care for others or go to school. They need the ability protect themselves everywhere.

Guns & Ammo are not the problem, nutjobs are. Since neither party will allow a publicized list of nutjobs but democrats love to publicize gun owners list, nothing will change.

We need a registered nutjob list just like the registered sex offender list that can be accessed by smartphone so any citizen can make sure the person they know has a gun is competent & allowed to have it. This would have prevented Sandy Hook school shooting & many others.

They can start by browsing posts on this message board.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It proves one thing, it created my support for laws to require trigger locks and other means to secure guns in homes, a law passed in and in the CA penal code. Something which would not occur to you and other callous conservatives devoid of empathy and something which gun lovers like you would oppose as an infringement on your rights.

It also makes gun owners criminally and civilly culpable, another thing for the NRA and its disciples to whine about.

and make a firearm about as useful as a wet noodle for self defense.

The law provides paranoids to carry a loaded weapon within their home. So it is legal to get up, put on your slippers and gun belt and have a nice day.

and if it's locked, either with a trigger lock or in a safe, it's about as useful as a wet noodle at 2am when someone comes in thru the window.

Lock your window and buy a dog, a dog is an early warning system and will give one time to grab their gun and kill someone. It's very unlikely a child will find your gun at 0200 under your mattress or pillow, and one can remove the trigger lock when they brush their teeth before retiring for the night. When at home and the gun is in their custody and control they are following the letter of the law.

How many times has someone entered your home in the middle of the night when you are home? A "Cat" burglar is a rare bread of criminal, I doubt you honestly know of anyone whose occupied home has been entered in the middle of the night. And, BTW, I support the 2nd in terms of responsible people protecting their home.

and yet you want to make their weapons all but useless.

LOL, another weak logical fallacy - the ubiquitous straw man - is offered as evidence of what I want and how it would be useless.

My opinion is constantly being reinforced that the gun lovers on this message board, in mass, haven't the competence expected of a Middle School average student.

 

[2aguy]

I always enjoy the pompous opinions and judgmental attitudes of liberal city snobs who know nothing about guns other than what you see on TV and in the liberal media. I'd tell the women I know who love guns that it's a phallic symbol, but they don't give a shit what you think either.

And here's the thing on your last sentence begging the question. You already got your way in Sandy Hook and the Aurora theater. Only the shooters had guns. How'd that work out for your looking down your haughty nose self superior attitude?

Do you suppose each 6 year old should have been armed, and the K teacher too? Or maybe an armed guard in every classroom on every campus in every state?

No, you wouldn't want to pay for that; it's better in the mind and black heart of the callous conservative/gun lovers that the deaths at Sandy Hook were simply the cost of liberty and freedom.

Liberals certainly see them as the cost of tyranny. The school was a gun-free zone. Which means the law abiding citizens were unarmed while the criminal was armed.
How'd that work out for everybody?
But liberals are fine with dead victims. It makes them feel so self righteous and empathetic. They dont do well with live heroes, like Chris Kyle. They feel bad for bad guys.

"liberals are fine with dead victims"? Are you so stupid that you feel anyone but others like you believe supporters of gun controls are all liberals, or any human being was fine with the horrific murders at Sandy Hook?

Of course you and the other gun lovers are distressed every time a mass murder takes place, not because innocent victims die, but because you will need to once again defend the insane gun policy which exists in our country.

Supporters of gun control are uniformly liberals. But not all liberals are in favor of gun control. I realize that distinction might tax your brain.
But look at the difference in reaction to the church shootings at the New Life Church in Colorado and the church in South Carolina. You'll probably have to google the New Life Church shootings because it was so under-reported.

How many meetings occur in every church in America everyday, and twice or more on Sunday? Pointing out a shooting where the crazed gunman was killed by a member of the church eight years ago is hardly convincing of anything beyond your desperate need to find some reason to attack efforts to reasonably mitigate gun violence in America.

Advocating for more guns iin the hands of more people is insane.

Well....of the church shootings that have happened...this is the body count of churches that are gun free zones, and churches with armed citizens.....

Some details to help you make your guess....

Churches that were gun free zones: 15 dead

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)


vs.

churches with armed citizens: 2 dead


Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
**********
No guns:

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)

Parishioners with guns:

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)


Yeah....a big difference in the lives lost...

 

[2aguy]

I always enjoy the pompous opinions and judgmental attitudes of liberal city snobs who know nothing about guns other than what you see on TV and in the liberal media. I'd tell the women I know who love guns that it's a phallic symbol, but they don't give a shit what you think either.

And here's the thing on your last sentence begging the question. You already got your way in Sandy Hook and the Aurora theater. Only the shooters had guns. How'd that work out for your looking down your haughty nose self superior attitude?

Do you suppose each 6 year old should have been armed, and the K teacher too? Or maybe an armed guard in every classroom on every campus in every state?

No, you wouldn't want to pay for that; it's better in the mind and black heart of the callous conservative/gun lovers that the deaths at Sandy Hook were simply the cost of liberty and freedom.

Liberals certainly see them as the cost of tyranny. The school was a gun-free zone. Which means the law abiding citizens were unarmed while the criminal was armed.
How'd that work out for everybody?
But liberals are fine with dead victims. It makes them feel so self righteous and empathetic. They dont do well with live heroes, like Chris Kyle. They feel bad for bad guys.

"liberals are fine with dead victims"? Are you so stupid that you feel anyone but others like you believe supporters of gun controls are all liberals, or any human being was fine with the horrific murders at Sandy Hook?

Of course you and the other gun lovers are distressed every time a mass murder takes place, not because innocent victims die, but because you will need to once again defend the insane gun policy which exists in our country.

Supporters of gun control are uniformly liberals. But not all liberals are in favor of gun control. I realize that distinction might tax your brain.
But look at the difference in reaction to the church shootings at the New Life Church in Colorado and the church in South Carolina. You'll probably have to google the New Life Church shootings because it was so under-reported.

How many meetings occur in every church in America everyday, and twice or more on Sunday? Pointing out a shooting where the crazed gunman was killed by a member of the church eight years ago is hardly convincing of anything beyond your desperate need to find some reason to attack efforts to reasonably mitigate gun violence in America.

Advocating for more guns iin the hands of more people is insane.

And yet over 12.8 million Americans now carry guns for self defense....and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....

You morons on your side say "There is no way you can say guns lowered the crime rate." True..to a point. But the thing that you guys try to ignore.......

More guns in the hands of Law abiding people did not increase the gun murder rate....

You are wrong in everything you post...........

 

[kaz]

I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals

I'm hardly a liberal, but I'm going to answer anyway.
I would introduce one gun law:

If you commit a violent crime using, or whilst holding a firearm (or any of your 'crew' having one - including replicas), you get the death by firing squad with no chance of reprieve, that sentence to be carried out within 24 hours of conviction.

People who use guns for crime will get rare after the first few lots get what they deserve.
Once you've shown the criminals what's going to happen to them, there will be no further need to carry guns outside sporting purposes.

All problems solved, save the hearing problems and headaches caused by listening to the lefties and churches whining about the sanctity of life.

Locking up criminals has worked pretty well, that's been the one effective strategy

Ner - shoot the bastards - cheaper and no repeat offences.

No, death penalty cases no cost far more than life in prison. The only way to make it cheaper is to get the population overwhelmingly in favor of it, and that's not going to happen

I was asked what I'd do, not what's likely to be popular.
That's where politicians go wrong; they're so scared of being kicked of the gravy train, they won't do what's required.

Not sure what point you're making, but you gave your opinion, I gave mine. Let's both stipulate that we're on a message board and that's how it works.

The issue is effectiveness. Regardless of whether you blame politicians, without consistent enforcement, there is no effective deterrent. And cost will not as I pointed out be less. Which means the proposal isn't going to deter crime.

If we focus on life in prison unless there is new information, we'll go a lot further with effectiveness

 

[Auld Phart]

and make a firearm about as useful as a wet noodle for self defense.

The law provides paranoids to carry a loaded weapon within their home. So it is legal to get up, put on your slippers and gun belt and have a nice day.

and if it's locked, either with a trigger lock or in a safe, it's about as useful as a wet noodle at 2am when someone comes in thru the window.

Lock your window and buy a dog, a dog is an early warning system and will give one time to grab their gun and kill someone. It's very unlikely a child will find your gun at 0200 under your mattress or pillow, and one can remove the trigger lock when they brush their teeth before retiring for the night. When at home and the gun is in their custody and control they are following the letter of the law.

How many times has someone entered your home in the middle of the night when you are home? A "Cat" burglar is a rare bread of criminal, I doubt you honestly know of anyone whose occupied home has been entered in the middle of the night. And, BTW, I support the 2nd in terms of responsible people protecting their home.

and yet you want to make their weapons all but useless.

LOL, another weak logical fallacy - the ubiquitous straw man - is offered as evidence of what I want and how it would be useless.

My opinion is constantly being reinforced that the gun lovers on this message board, in mass, haven't the competence expected of a Middle School average student.

Always amazes me how people so proud of their 'intellect' lack common sense.

 

[kaz]

Men and power issues, that is what this is really about. Guns are a phallic symbol. I have had men point a gun at me and have bullets in my house. That is really why I want gun control. It isn't to much to ask if people don't threaten other people with firearms anymore. All these mass shootings like Sandy Hook or Aurora theater shootings, enough is enough.

I always enjoy the pompous opinions and judgmental attitudes of liberal city snobs who know nothing about guns other than what you see on TV and in the liberal media. I'd tell the women I know who love guns that it's a phallic symbol, but they don't give a shit what you think either.

And here's the thing on your last sentence begging the question. You already got your way in Sandy Hook and the Aurora theater. Only the shooters had guns. How'd that work out for your looking down your haughty nose self superior attitude?

Do you suppose each 6 year old should have been armed, and the K teacher too? Or maybe an armed guard in every classroom on every campus in every state?

No, you wouldn't want to pay for that; it's better in the mind and black heart of the callous conservative/gun lovers that the deaths at Sandy Hook were simply the cost of liberty and freedom.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean, every six year old should be armed. thank you for that contribution to the discussion. Obviously our choices are that guns are banned for everyone or we arm every six year old. And some people think you are just an idiot. I'm on that list

 

[kaz]

LOL, this is the best you have ("I know you are but what am I"). You're pitiful.

He's right.
We have had 100 years of experience with all kinds of gun control measures. None of them has made anyone any safer. All of them are total failures, unproven in preventing any attacks at all.

An 11 year old child received a D on his report card. His stepfather told him if he got any D's or F's he would make him quit Little League Baseball.

The child begged the teacher to change the grade, she refused.

The child when home, took his stepfathers handgun from the night stand in his mother and Stepfather's bedroom. He then went to his room and got his baseball jacket and then went to the living room, folded the jacket on his lap, put the gun in his mouth and died.

A trigger lock, a gun safe or an unloaded gun would have most likely prevented this horrible event. One which impacted his teacher, the family (soon divorced), his team and coaches.

Rabbi(t) is full of shit.

One anecdotal story proves what in your mind exactly? Is that your standard for your own positions? That one anecdotal story torpedoes your arguments?

It proves one thing, it created my support for laws to require trigger locks and other means to secure guns in homes, a law passed in and in the CA penal code. Something which would not occur to you and other callous conservatives devoid of empathy and something which gun lovers like you would oppose as an infringement on your rights.

It also makes gun owners criminally and civilly culpable, another thing for the NRA and its disciples to whine about.

So that means that children never get a hold of guns and accidentally or intentionally shoot people with them in California? Wow.

Of course not. Perfection is only something Wry demands of the other side, not his own

 

[The Rabbi]

One anecdotal story proves what in your mind exactly? Is that your standard for your own positions? That one anecdotal story torpedoes your arguments?

It proves one thing, it created my support for laws to require trigger locks and other means to secure guns in homes, a law passed in and in the CA penal code. Something which would not occur to you and other callous conservatives devoid of empathy and something which gun lovers like you would oppose as an infringement on your rights.

It also makes gun owners criminally and civilly culpable, another thing for the NRA and its disciples to whine about.

and make a firearm about as useful as a wet noodle for self defense.

The law provides paranoids to carry a loaded weapon within their home. So it is legal to get up, put on your slippers and gun belt and have a nice day.

Most people have to leave home to work, shop, care for others or go to school. They need the ability protect themselves everywhere.

Guns & Ammo are not the problem, nutjobs are. Since neither party will allow a publicized list of nutjobs but democrats love to publicize gun owners list, nothing will change.

We need a registered nutjob list just like the registered sex offender list that can be accessed by smartphone so any citizen can make sure the person they know has a gun is competent & allowed to have it. This would have prevented Sandy Hook school shooting & many others.

The tyranny of the majority is your solution to gun violence in America. I hate to use the term, but methinks such a plan would have appealed to Hermann Goring - putting a tracking bracelet on all mentally ill is squarely in the realm of Statists.

Why does someone need to take a gun wherever they go? At this moment there are hundreds of thousands of people walking the streets of San Francisco, New York and Dallas. How many will need a gun today (2aguy believes 5,400 + unsworn citizens will use a gun for self defense today and everyday in the US this year).

Why does someone need to ride on the front of the bus?
Why does someone need to vote in every election?
Why does someone need to pray all the time?
No, the queston is why the government needs to infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens. The answer is it does not. Since no measure of gun control has proven effective in reducing crime the answer is to do away with it entirely.

 

[kaz]

Men and power issues, that is what this is really about. Guns are a phallic symbol. I have had men point a gun at me and have bullets in my house. That is really why I want gun control. It isn't to much to ask if people don't threaten other people with firearms anymore. All these mass shootings like Sandy Hook or Aurora theater shootings, enough is enough.

I always enjoy the pompous opinions and judgmental attitudes of liberal city snobs who know nothing about guns other than what you see on TV and in the liberal media. I'd tell the women I know who love guns that it's a phallic symbol, but they don't give a shit what you think either.

And here's the thing on your last sentence begging the question. You already got your way in Sandy Hook and the Aurora theater. Only the shooters had guns. How'd that work out for your looking down your haughty nose self superior attitude?

Do you suppose each 6 year old should have been armed, and the K teacher too? Or maybe an armed guard in every classroom on every campus in every state?

No, you wouldn't want to pay for that; it's better in the mind and black heart of the callous conservative/gun lovers that the deaths at Sandy Hook were simply the cost of liberty and freedom.

Liberals certainly see them as the cost of tyranny. The school was a gun-free zone. Which means the law abiding citizens were unarmed while the criminal was armed.
How'd that work out for everybody?
But liberals are fine with dead victims. It makes them feel so self righteous and empathetic. They dont do well with live heroes, like Chris Kyle. They feel bad for bad guys.

That is the point Wry missed. Everyone followed his plan ... except the gunman. Hence the title of the thread. This is on him, not us

 

[The Rabbi]

Men and power issues, that is what this is really about. Guns are a phallic symbol. I have had men point a gun at me and have bullets in my house. That is really why I want gun control. It isn't to much to ask if people don't threaten other people with firearms anymore. All these mass shootings like Sandy Hook or Aurora theater shootings, enough is enough.

I always enjoy the pompous opinions and judgmental attitudes of liberal city snobs who know nothing about guns other than what you see on TV and in the liberal media. I'd tell the women I know who love guns that it's a phallic symbol, but they don't give a shit what you think either.

And here's the thing on your last sentence begging the question. You already got your way in Sandy Hook and the Aurora theater. Only the shooters had guns. How'd that work out for your looking down your haughty nose self superior attitude?

Do you suppose each 6 year old should have been armed, and the K teacher too? Or maybe an armed guard in every classroom on every campus in every state?

No, you wouldn't want to pay for that; it's better in the mind and black heart of the callous conservative/gun lovers that the deaths at Sandy Hook were simply the cost of liberty and freedom.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean, every six year old should be armed. thank you for that contribution to the discussion. Obviously our choices are that guns are banned for everyone or we arm every six year old. And some people think you are just an idiot. I'm on that list

Where do I sign up?

 

[kaz]

He's right.
We have had 100 years of experience with all kinds of gun control measures. None of them has made anyone any safer. All of them are total failures, unproven in preventing any attacks at all.

An 11 year old child received a D on his report card. His stepfather told him if he got any D's or F's he would make him quit Little League Baseball.

The child begged the teacher to change the grade, she refused.

The child when home, took his stepfathers handgun from the night stand in his mother and Stepfather's bedroom. He then went to his room and got his baseball jacket and then went to the living room, folded the jacket on his lap, put the gun in his mouth and died.

A trigger lock, a gun safe or an unloaded gun would have most likely prevented this horrible event. One which impacted his teacher, the family (soon divorced), his team and coaches.

Rabbi(t) is full of shit.

One anecdotal story proves what in your mind exactly? Is that your standard for your own positions? That one anecdotal story torpedoes your arguments?

It proves one thing, it created my support for laws to require trigger locks and other means to secure guns in homes, a law passed in and in the CA penal code. Something which would not occur to you and other callous conservatives devoid of empathy and something which gun lovers like you would oppose as an infringement on your rights.

It also makes gun owners criminally and civilly culpable, another thing for the NRA and its disciples to whine about.

So that means that children never get a hold of guns and accidentally or intentionally shoot people with them in California? Wow.

A weak one, but a straw man still the same. You're lack of education is showing once again Rabbi(t), as well as your biases and lack of empathy. You are IMO a miserable being - there is nothing human about you.

that's not a strawman, you set the standard of zero errors. He just applied your own standard to you

 

[The Rabbi]

I always enjoy the pompous opinions and judgmental attitudes of liberal city snobs who know nothing about guns other than what you see on TV and in the liberal media. I'd tell the women I know who love guns that it's a phallic symbol, but they don't give a shit what you think either.

And here's the thing on your last sentence begging the question. You already got your way in Sandy Hook and the Aurora theater. Only the shooters had guns. How'd that work out for your looking down your haughty nose self superior attitude?

Do you suppose each 6 year old should have been armed, and the K teacher too? Or maybe an armed guard in every classroom on every campus in every state?

No, you wouldn't want to pay for that; it's better in the mind and black heart of the callous conservative/gun lovers that the deaths at Sandy Hook were simply the cost of liberty and freedom.

Liberals certainly see them as the cost of tyranny. The school was a gun-free zone. Which means the law abiding citizens were unarmed while the criminal was armed.
How'd that work out for everybody?
But liberals are fine with dead victims. It makes them feel so self righteous and empathetic. They dont do well with live heroes, like Chris Kyle. They feel bad for bad guys.

"liberals are fine with dead victims"? Are you so stupid that you feel anyone but others like you believe supporters of gun controls are all liberals, or any human being was fine with the horrific murders at Sandy Hook?

Of course you and the other gun lovers are distressed every time a mass murder takes place, not because innocent victims die, but because you will need to once again defend the insane gun policy which exists in our country.

Supporters of gun control are uniformly liberals. But not all liberals are in favor of gun control. I realize that distinction might tax your brain.
But look at the difference in reaction to the church shootings at the New Life Church in Colorado and the church in South Carolina. You'll probably have to google the New Life Church shootings because it was so under-reported.

How many meetings occur in every church in America everyday, and twice or more on Sunday? Pointing out a shooting where the crazed gunman was killed by a member of the church eight years ago is hardly convincing of anything beyond your desperate need to find some reason to attack efforts to reasonably mitigate gun violence in America.

Advocating for more guns iin the hands of more people is insane.

What was your point here? That churches are safe except when they arent? They there is an acceptable level of violence in churches?
My point is that a church shooting where innocents die is all over the media.
A church shooting where only the shooter dies is quickly forgotten.
Liberals love dead victims.
They dont care about live heroes.

 

[kaz]

[
Yes, Europe fighting Russia over the Baltics with the US is a long shot, without us it's zero

If Russia were to invade the EU would have no choice.

The funny thing is you seem to think that only the US would go to war, or take that initiative. Maybe Europe isn't so big on the whole invading other countries simply because they can. But then again if, say, the Falkland Islands got invaded, do you think the British would wait for the Americans? They didn't last time it happened, the US didn't help much at all.

I'm against Iraq, dumb ass. I'm also against nation building in Afghanistan, Libya, Kosovo and the rest of the wars started by both parties. You know that if you have long term memory.

And "no choice?" You mean like Ukraine who had a defense pact too so they had no choice? LOL, you are completely clueless about European politics. They couldn't agree on what kind of sandwich to have for lunch

I'm not sure what your views on Iraq have got to do with anything here.....

I'm also not sure what trying a personal insult against me are. It's a quick way of losing a discussion with me.

As for European politics, are you the one who lives in Holland, and then believes you know everything about European politics because you've been there for a few months....? Jeez.

But your post is just twilight zone, you must have been in angry hour or something because it doesn't have much to do with anything.

So you think fighting Argentina in the Falkland Islands is like fighting Russia? Seriously?

 

[kaz]

Men and power issues, that is what this is really about. Guns are a phallic symbol. I have had men point a gun at me and have bullets in my house. That is really why I want gun control. It isn't to much to ask if people don't threaten other people with firearms anymore. All these mass shootings like Sandy Hook or Aurora theater shootings, enough is enough.

I always enjoy the pompous opinions and judgmental attitudes of liberal city snobs who know nothing about guns other than what you see on TV and in the liberal media. I'd tell the women I know who love guns that it's a phallic symbol, but they don't give a shit what you think either.

And here's the thing on your last sentence begging the question. You already got your way in Sandy Hook and the Aurora theater. Only the shooters had guns. How'd that work out for your looking down your haughty nose self superior attitude?

Do you suppose each 6 year old should have been armed, and the K teacher too? Or maybe an armed guard in every classroom on every campus in every state?

No, you wouldn't want to pay for that; it's better in the mind and black heart of the callous conservative/gun lovers that the deaths at Sandy Hook were simply the cost of liberty and freedom.

Liberals certainly see them as the cost of tyranny. The school was a gun-free zone. Which means the law abiding citizens were unarmed while the criminal was armed.
How'd that work out for everybody?
But liberals are fine with dead victims. It makes them feel so self righteous and empathetic. They dont do well with live heroes, like Chris Kyle. They feel bad for bad guys.

"liberals are fine with dead victims"? Are you so stupid that you feel anyone but others like you believe supporters of gun controls are all liberals, or any human being was fine with the horrific murders at Sandy Hook?

Of course you and the other gun lovers are distressed every time a mass murder takes place, not because innocent victims die, but because you will need to once again defend the insane gun policy which exists in our country.

Again, no one was defending themselves in Sandy Hook, you bought it, you own it. Explain why Sandy Hook is acceptable losses for your policy

 

[kaz]

Do they have village idiots in Canada? I mean wow, that would take a serious idiot

Too difficult to work hard to have anything more than fallacy, Person on the clueless and Causeless and Lazy Right.

Does it really take work to be an idiot? I mean isn't that just something that you pretty much just are? Or are you saying you actually put some work into your idiocy?

No. I have logic and reason to work with due to a social, hard work ethic; unlike the Right.

Tomatoes are blue in the September spring rolls

I can always tell when the Right is too lazy to acquire and possess a clue and a Cause; why should the left believe the lazy Right when they claim it is a "hard work" ethic that is important, when they are too lazy to work hard for their clues and their Causes.

And, I actually like spring rolls.

Rockets in the blender are carnivorous ruby platform functions

 

[kaz]

One anecdotal story proves what in your mind exactly? Is that your standard for your own positions? That one anecdotal story torpedoes your arguments?

It proves one thing, it created my support for laws to require trigger locks and other means to secure guns in homes, a law passed in and in the CA penal code. Something which would not occur to you and other callous conservatives devoid of empathy and something which gun lovers like you would oppose as an infringement on your rights.

It also makes gun owners criminally and civilly culpable, another thing for the NRA and its disciples to whine about.

and make a firearm about as useful as a wet noodle for self defense.

The law provides paranoids to carry a loaded weapon within their home. So it is legal to get up, put on your slippers and gun belt and have a nice day.

Most people have to leave home to work, shop, care for others or go to school. They need the ability protect themselves everywhere.

Guns & Ammo are not the problem, nutjobs are. Since neither party will allow a publicized list of nutjobs but democrats love to publicize gun owners list, nothing will change.

We need a registered nutjob list just like the registered sex offender list that can be accessed by smartphone so any citizen can make sure the person they know has a gun is competent & allowed to have it. This would have prevented Sandy Hook school shooting & many others.

The tyranny of the majority is your solution to gun violence in America. I hate to use the term, but methinks such a plan would have appealed to Hermann Goring - putting a tracking bracelet on all mentally ill is squarely in the realm of Statists.

Why does someone need to take a gun wherever they go? At this moment there are hundreds of thousands of people walking the streets of San Francisco, New York and Dallas. How many will need a gun today (2aguy believes 5,400 + unsworn citizens will use a gun for self defense today and everyday in the US this year).

How do you get this delusion when mass shooting after mass shooting features no one shooting back that we rather than you are getting our way? You are totally getting your way, now explain how all the dead bodies piling up under your system are worth it to you

 

[The Rabbi]

It proves one thing, it created my support for laws to require trigger locks and other means to secure guns in homes, a law passed in and in the CA penal code. Something which would not occur to you and other callous conservatives devoid of empathy and something which gun lovers like you would oppose as an infringement on your rights.

It also makes gun owners criminally and civilly culpable, another thing for the NRA and its disciples to whine about.

and make a firearm about as useful as a wet noodle for self defense.

The law provides paranoids to carry a loaded weapon within their home. So it is legal to get up, put on your slippers and gun belt and have a nice day.

Most people have to leave home to work, shop, care for others or go to school. They need the ability protect themselves everywhere.

Guns & Ammo are not the problem, nutjobs are. Since neither party will allow a publicized list of nutjobs but democrats love to publicize gun owners list, nothing will change.

We need a registered nutjob list just like the registered sex offender list that can be accessed by smartphone so any citizen can make sure the person they know has a gun is competent & allowed to have it. This would have prevented Sandy Hook school shooting & many others.

The tyranny of the majority is your solution to gun violence in America. I hate to use the term, but methinks such a plan would have appealed to Hermann Goring - putting a tracking bracelet on all mentally ill is squarely in the realm of Statists.

Why does someone need to take a gun wherever they go? At this moment there are hundreds of thousands of people walking the streets of San Francisco, New York and Dallas. How many will need a gun today (2aguy believes 5,400 + unsworn citizens will use a gun for self defense today and everyday in the US this year).

How do you get this delusion when mass shooting after mass shooting features no one shooting back that we rather than you are getting our way? You are totally getting your way, now explain how all the dead bodies piling up under your system are worth it to you

The solution to any failure of a liberal policy is more of the same.
Welfare fails because we dont fund it enough
Social security fails because we dont spend enough on it
Education fails because we arent spending enough on it
Gun control fails because we arent doing it enough.