Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

The culture problem we have is in our inner cities....most of the 8,454 deaths happen because of career criminals located in small, multi block areas in these cities......focus on that and 90% of gun murder will be stopped.

It's actually mostly white suburban nutball kids who shoot up schools. How and where did they get their firearms to carry out their massacres?

Usually they steal them.

Or their dumb parents gave em to them.

Really? Which mass shooting involved a parent giving the child a gun?

In most of the cases, the parents were the one's responsible for the child being exposed to the guns that were used in the massacres. If not the parents, some other adult was involved.

We need to change our approach to firearms completely. No more just handing a child a gun. I don't care if it's about hunting or not. Teach them hunting when they're adults.

Oh no, no, no. Don't change my question for me. I know where the guns came from. What I asked is what parent openly gave a child a gun for a mass shooting. There's a big difference between a parent "giving" a child a gun and him stealing a gun.
 
You can do those things without handing a child a gun and teaching em to kill and maim Bambi. And like i said, i'm not coming down on hunters only. But hunters do hand children guns and teach them violence. It is what it is.

I think it's fine to teach them about hunting when they become adults. But handing them firearms so early in life just seems unwise and unnecessary. We live in very different times. We have to accept that.
Bambi is FOOD, dammit. I was taught gun safety and use, starting when I was 8 years old. I started hunting at 12.... got my first deer at 14. I've never shot a man not robbed a convenience store.
One of the most important lessons I ever learned was when my father showed me a deer he had shot in the head with a 12 gauge slug.
Everything above the eyes was gone. I saw optic nerves and half a brain.
I was 7 if I remember correctly. I learned the power of weapons and the reality of death. Real life was nothing like the westerns I watched on TV.
Growing up, there was always a rifle or shotgun by the back door. We shot food.

Killing and maiming Bambi is unwise and unnecessary nowadays. It only serves to teach the child ugly brutal violence. I'm fine with teaching them about hunting when they're adults. But for God's sake, stop handing guns to children.
Why is it unwise? I happen to like venison. It is necessary that I shoot a deer in order for me to eat venison.
Ugly brutal violence is all around us AND our kids. Guns don't cause violence. Violent people cause violence.
Toss violent people in prison for life for all I care but leave people who engage in a legal hobby and exercise their God given rights the fuck alone

You're an adult, so go hunting. I'm talking about children. Wait till they're adults before handing them a firearm.
Did you wait until your kids were adults before you taught then to swim? Let them ride a bike?

Yeah, cause that's the same thing. Come on man.
 
You can do those things without handing a child a gun and teaching em to kill and maim Bambi. And like i said, i'm not coming down on hunters only. But hunters do hand children guns and teach them violence. It is what it is.

I think it's fine to teach them about hunting when they become adults. But handing them firearms so early in life just seems unwise and unnecessary. We live in very different times. We have to accept that.
Bambi is FOOD, dammit. I was taught gun safety and use, starting when I was 8 years old. I started hunting at 12.... got my first deer at 14. I've never shot a man not robbed a convenience store.
One of the most important lessons I ever learned was when my father showed me a deer he had shot in the head with a 12 gauge slug.
Everything above the eyes was gone. I saw optic nerves and half a brain.
I was 7 if I remember correctly. I learned the power of weapons and the reality of death. Real life was nothing like the westerns I watched on TV.
Growing up, there was always a rifle or shotgun by the back door. We shot food.

Killing and maiming Bambi is unwise and unnecessary nowadays. It only serves to teach the child ugly brutal violence. I'm fine with teaching them about hunting when they're adults. But for God's sake, stop handing guns to children.
Why is it unwise? I happen to like venison. It is necessary that I shoot a deer in order for me to eat venison.
Ugly brutal violence is all around us AND our kids. Guns don't cause violence. Violent people cause violence.
Toss violent people in prison for life for all I care but leave people who engage in a legal hobby and exercise their God given rights the fuck alone

You're an adult, so go hunting. I'm talking about children. Wait till they're adults before handing them a firearm.
Did you wait until your kids were adults before you taught then to swim? Let them ride a bike?

In our state they give kids temporary drivers licenses at the age of 15 1/2.
 
The culture problem we have is in our inner cities....most of the 8,454 deaths happen because of career criminals located in small, multi block areas in these cities......focus on that and 90% of gun murder will be stopped.

It's actually mostly white suburban nutball kids who shoot up schools. How and where did they get their firearms to carry out their massacres?


You do realize that those are the least number of gun murders right? That the most gun murders are by criminals in gangs in inner cities.......and that kids shooting up schools is tiny compared to the killing every day in these small, multi block areas in gang infested territory. But let's focus on the non problem and ignore the real problem......

The most heinous gun massacres have been carried out by gun-crazed white people for the most part. Most, if not all of the awful school shootings were carried out by white suburban nutball kids. But i'll ask again, how and where did they get their firearms to carry out their massacres?


Yeah....mass shootings are not the problem.....they are rare and kill very few people...it is the daily shootings by gang members in inner cities that kill the most people...but of course that would mean dealing with unpleasant things, like the fact that the shooters are mostly blacks killing other blacks....but back to the suburban kids....yeah, they are the problem....

And here...from Mother Jones........the problem is not mass shootings by suburban kids...the problem is the every day killing in inner cities......but, let's focus on everything but the actual problem...shall we....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 12.8 million.

How many children in America die from guns? Answer is, too many. Keep firearms away from them. Period, end of story.

How many kids under 14....die from guns....72 in 2013.
 
It's actually mostly white suburban nutball kids who shoot up schools. How and where did they get their firearms to carry out their massacres?

Usually they steal them.

Or their dumb parents gave em to them.

Really? Which mass shooting involved a parent giving the child a gun?

In most of the cases, the parents were the one's responsible for the child being exposed to the guns that were used in the massacres. If not the parents, some other adult was involved.

We need to change our approach to firearms completely. No more just handing a child a gun. I don't care if it's about hunting or not. Teach them hunting when they're adults.

Oh no, no, no. Don't change my question for me. I know where the guns came from. What I asked is what parent openly gave a child a gun for a mass shooting. There's a big difference between a parent "giving" a child a gun and him stealing a gun.

Many adults in America provide their children with firearms. That's no secret. None of the kids who carried out massacres, could have done it without adults providing them the means. The firearms were accessible.
 
Bambi is FOOD, dammit. I was taught gun safety and use, starting when I was 8 years old. I started hunting at 12.... got my first deer at 14. I've never shot a man not robbed a convenience store.
One of the most important lessons I ever learned was when my father showed me a deer he had shot in the head with a 12 gauge slug.
Everything above the eyes was gone. I saw optic nerves and half a brain.
I was 7 if I remember correctly. I learned the power of weapons and the reality of death. Real life was nothing like the westerns I watched on TV.
Growing up, there was always a rifle or shotgun by the back door. We shot food.

Killing and maiming Bambi is unwise and unnecessary nowadays. It only serves to teach the child ugly brutal violence. I'm fine with teaching them about hunting when they're adults. But for God's sake, stop handing guns to children.
Why is it unwise? I happen to like venison. It is necessary that I shoot a deer in order for me to eat venison.
Ugly brutal violence is all around us AND our kids. Guns don't cause violence. Violent people cause violence.
Toss violent people in prison for life for all I care but leave people who engage in a legal hobby and exercise their God given rights the fuck alone

You're an adult, so go hunting. I'm talking about children. Wait till they're adults before handing them a firearm.
Did you wait until your kids were adults before you taught then to swim? Let them ride a bike?

Yeah, cause that's the same thing. Come on man.
No, it's not the same. More kids die from drowning and bicycle accidents than from gunshot wounds.
Swimming pools are far more dangerous than guns.

Did you just toss your kids in the pool and walk back inside?
 
And we haven't even begun to discuss how many children die from guns accidentally. Or kids committing suicide with guns. How and why are children accessing firearms so easily? What's going on?
 
Killing and maiming Bambi is unwise and unnecessary nowadays. It only serves to teach the child ugly brutal violence. I'm fine with teaching them about hunting when they're adults. But for God's sake, stop handing guns to children.
Why is it unwise? I happen to like venison. It is necessary that I shoot a deer in order for me to eat venison.
Ugly brutal violence is all around us AND our kids. Guns don't cause violence. Violent people cause violence.
Toss violent people in prison for life for all I care but leave people who engage in a legal hobby and exercise their God given rights the fuck alone

You're an adult, so go hunting. I'm talking about children. Wait till they're adults before handing them a firearm.
Did you wait until your kids were adults before you taught then to swim? Let them ride a bike?

Yeah, cause that's the same thing. Come on man.
No, it's not the same. More kids die from drowning and bicycle accidents than from gunshot wounds.
Swimming pools are far more dangerous than guns.

Did you just toss your kids in the pool and walk back inside?

Yes, pools and bicycles are the same as guns. Must be.
 
Usually they steal them.

Or their dumb parents gave em to them.

Really? Which mass shooting involved a parent giving the child a gun?

In most of the cases, the parents were the one's responsible for the child being exposed to the guns that were used in the massacres. If not the parents, some other adult was involved.

We need to change our approach to firearms completely. No more just handing a child a gun. I don't care if it's about hunting or not. Teach them hunting when they're adults.

Oh no, no, no. Don't change my question for me. I know where the guns came from. What I asked is what parent openly gave a child a gun for a mass shooting. There's a big difference between a parent "giving" a child a gun and him stealing a gun.

Many adults in America provide their children with firearms. That's no secret. None of the kids who carried out massacres, could have done it without adults providing them the means. The firearms were accessible.

Let's try this again: a kid stealing their parents guns and the parents providing the weapons are two entirely different things. It seems to me the kids that learn about guns, use guns, and are respectful of guns are not the same kids that are shooting up the schools.
 
Why is it unwise? I happen to like venison. It is necessary that I shoot a deer in order for me to eat venison.
Ugly brutal violence is all around us AND our kids. Guns don't cause violence. Violent people cause violence.
Toss violent people in prison for life for all I care but leave people who engage in a legal hobby and exercise their God given rights the fuck alone

You're an adult, so go hunting. I'm talking about children. Wait till they're adults before handing them a firearm.
Did you wait until your kids were adults before you taught then to swim? Let them ride a bike?

Yeah, cause that's the same thing. Come on man.
No, it's not the same. More kids die from drowning and bicycle accidents than from gunshot wounds.
Swimming pools are far more dangerous than guns.

Did you just toss your kids in the pool and walk back inside?

Yes, pools and bicycles are the same as guns. Must be.
They are vastly more dangerous, as I said. Can you not respond to to me and refrain from the irrelevant rhetoric?
 
Let's stop making firearms so accessible to our children. If you want to teach your kids about hunting, wait till they're adults. Let them make decisions about acquiring firearms when they're adults. We need to change. The kids are getting guns too easily. Period, end of story.
 
And we haven't even begun to discuss how many children die from guns accidentally. Or kids committing suicide with guns. How and why are children accessing firearms so easily? What's going on?

How many kids have put themselves in a precarious situation (and yes, even died) because of the internet? Should we ban children from the internet too? After all, the internet provides valuable information, but it can also be used for deviant things.
 
Or their dumb parents gave em to them.

Really? Which mass shooting involved a parent giving the child a gun?

In most of the cases, the parents were the one's responsible for the child being exposed to the guns that were used in the massacres. If not the parents, some other adult was involved.

We need to change our approach to firearms completely. No more just handing a child a gun. I don't care if it's about hunting or not. Teach them hunting when they're adults.

Oh no, no, no. Don't change my question for me. I know where the guns came from. What I asked is what parent openly gave a child a gun for a mass shooting. There's a big difference between a parent "giving" a child a gun and him stealing a gun.

Many adults in America provide their children with firearms. That's no secret. None of the kids who carried out massacres, could have done it without adults providing them the means. The firearms were accessible.

Let's try this again: a kid stealing their parents guns and the parents providing the weapons are two entirely different things. It seems to me the kids that learn about guns, use guns, and are respectful of guns are not the same kids that are shooting up the schools.

Most if not all of the kids who carried out massacres, were exposed to firearms by adults. Some didn't have to steal the guns used in the shootings. They were allowed access to them. In many cases, the adults gave them the firearms.
 
Bambi is FOOD, dammit. I was taught gun safety and use, starting when I was 8 years old. I started hunting at 12.... got my first deer at 14. I've never shot a man not robbed a convenience store.
One of the most important lessons I ever learned was when my father showed me a deer he had shot in the head with a 12 gauge slug.
Everything above the eyes was gone. I saw optic nerves and half a brain.
I was 7 if I remember correctly. I learned the power of weapons and the reality of death. Real life was nothing like the westerns I watched on TV.
Growing up, there was always a rifle or shotgun by the back door. We shot food.

Killing and maiming Bambi is unwise and unnecessary nowadays. It only serves to teach the child ugly brutal violence. I'm fine with teaching them about hunting when they're adults. But for God's sake, stop handing guns to children.
Why is it unwise? I happen to like venison. It is necessary that I shoot a deer in order for me to eat venison.
Ugly brutal violence is all around us AND our kids. Guns don't cause violence. Violent people cause violence.
Toss violent people in prison for life for all I care but leave people who engage in a legal hobby and exercise their God given rights the fuck alone

You're an adult, so go hunting. I'm talking about children. Wait till they're adults before handing them a firearm.


depends really

It shouldn't. Just wait till they're adults. Let them make their own decision on acquiring firearms.


mine did well

they still do well
 
And we haven't even begun to discuss how many children die from guns accidentally. Or kids committing suicide with guns. How and why are children accessing firearms so easily? What's going on?

How many kids have put themselves in a precarious situation (and yes, even died) because of the internet? Should we ban children from the internet too? After all, the internet provides valuable information, but it can also be used for deviant things.

See, now i am beginning to think you are a gun-obsessed nutter. Let's keep it simple. Stop giving kids guns. It's unwise and unnecessary.
 
Killing and maiming Bambi is unwise and unnecessary nowadays. It only serves to teach the child ugly brutal violence. I'm fine with teaching them about hunting when they're adults. But for God's sake, stop handing guns to children.
Why is it unwise? I happen to like venison. It is necessary that I shoot a deer in order for me to eat venison.
Ugly brutal violence is all around us AND our kids. Guns don't cause violence. Violent people cause violence.
Toss violent people in prison for life for all I care but leave people who engage in a legal hobby and exercise their God given rights the fuck alone

You're an adult, so go hunting. I'm talking about children. Wait till they're adults before handing them a firearm.


depends really

It shouldn't. Just wait till they're adults. Let them make their own decision on acquiring firearms.


mine did well

they still do well
I have 3 children. All have concealed carry permits as does my wife.
 
Why is it unwise? I happen to like venison. It is necessary that I shoot a deer in order for me to eat venison.
Ugly brutal violence is all around us AND our kids. Guns don't cause violence. Violent people cause violence.
Toss violent people in prison for life for all I care but leave people who engage in a legal hobby and exercise their God given rights the fuck alone

You're an adult, so go hunting. I'm talking about children. Wait till they're adults before handing them a firearm.


depends really

It shouldn't. Just wait till they're adults. Let them make their own decision on acquiring firearms.


mine did well

they still do well
I have 3 children. All have concealed carry permits as does my wife.

They're not children. They're adults. A kid shouldn't have a gun. Period, end of story.
 
Really? Which mass shooting involved a parent giving the child a gun?

In most of the cases, the parents were the one's responsible for the child being exposed to the guns that were used in the massacres. If not the parents, some other adult was involved.

We need to change our approach to firearms completely. No more just handing a child a gun. I don't care if it's about hunting or not. Teach them hunting when they're adults.

Oh no, no, no. Don't change my question for me. I know where the guns came from. What I asked is what parent openly gave a child a gun for a mass shooting. There's a big difference between a parent "giving" a child a gun and him stealing a gun.

Many adults in America provide their children with firearms. That's no secret. None of the kids who carried out massacres, could have done it without adults providing them the means. The firearms were accessible.

Let's try this again: a kid stealing their parents guns and the parents providing the weapons are two entirely different things. It seems to me the kids that learn about guns, use guns, and are respectful of guns are not the same kids that are shooting up the schools.

Most if not all of the kids who carried out massacres, were exposed to firearms by adults. Some didn't have to steal the guns used in the shootings. They were allowed access to them. In many cases, the adults gave them the firearms.

Okay, then I'm calling you out: which mass murder took place by a child where the parent gave them the firearm?
 
And we haven't even begun to discuss how many children die from guns accidentally. Or kids committing suicide with guns. How and why are children accessing firearms so easily? What's going on?

How many kids have put themselves in a precarious situation (and yes, even died) because of the internet? Should we ban children from the internet too? After all, the internet provides valuable information, but it can also be used for deviant things.

See, now i am beginning to think you are a gun-obsessed nutter. Let's keep it simple. Stop giving kids guns. It's unwise and unnecessary.

Nobody is giving their kids guns. That's the point.
 

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