Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[rightwinger]

Nothing about registration interferes with your gun rights

No matter how many times you regurgitate that, it is still a lie.

The second amendment supports gun registration

 

[Jarlaxle]

No matter how many times you regurgitate that, it is still a lie.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The fact remains 80% of the country are for ending the private seller/gun show loophole, 90% before the Pub/NRA / GUN CORPORATION got to work on dupes with BS and misinformation. It would help end nutter massacres immediately and the gang banger problem over time.

A huge majority of Americans are against the Iran nuclear deal as well. But I bet you have no problem with how Americans feel about that one.

Link to that bs?

August 20, 2015, 03:13 pm
Poll: Majority want Congress to reject Iran nuclear deal
By Jesse Byrnes

Most Americans say Congress should reject the international deal brokered by the Obama administration over Iran's nuclear program, according to a CNN/ORC International poll released Thursday.

A majority, 56 percent, want lawmakers to reject the deal, up slightly from the 52 percent who voiced that position in the same poll last month. Forty-one percent say Congress should accept the deal.

Poll: Majority want Congress to reject Iran nuclear deal

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nothing about registration interferes with your gun rights

No matter how many times you regurgitate that, it is still a lie.

The second amendment supports gun registration

Really? Where?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's vicious cycle. We question gun ownership, we are villains. No I want to break that cycle. Nobody needs guns and we need to break that cycle and get on with life.

Well if that's the way you feel, then try this:

Hang a huge sign on your front porch that says "THIS HOME HAS NO FIREARMS WITHIN." Get back to us in a couple of weeks and let us know how that turns out for you.

 

[Ernie S.]

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

It already is. Why turn it into a tool to facilitate rounding up all of the legally owned weapons that will never leave a bullet at the scene of a crime unless your agenda is to create a national firearms registry in order to grab them all up at some later date?

More paranoia from gun nuts

I register my car and have yet to have one confiscated. However, if my car is involved in a hit and run...it is traceable back to me

Are there paint chips and tire impressions stored in a data base somewhere? More importantly, is there a Constitutional Amendment saying your right to own and drive a car shall not be infringed?

There is nothing in the second amendment discouraging gun registration or licensing of gun owners.....consider it to being part of a well regulated militia

Just what is it about SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED that you don't understand?

 

[Ernie S.]

And how are you going to do that when they buy illegal guns?

You still aren't clicking with the part that criminals don't follow the law, are you?

You don't solve every crime. You assume all murders happen with untraceable guns.....they don't

And if the killer killed someone they knew, current forensic and detective techniques get the job done. Just watch any of the documentary shows on police and forensic work. It doesn't take registering all non criminals or licensing all non criminals to find the few people who are actually guilty of a crime....

It would also be unConstitutional...since you are essentially violating the "innocent until proven guilty" by assuming everyone is guilty eventually so we might as well keep an eye on everyone.....

No bigger an inconvenience than me registering my car

Probably true. Do you have a comment on his post though?

That was my comment

There is nothing unconstitutional about gun registration. The second amendment encourages it

The HELL it does. Forcing me to register my weapon is an infringement.

 

[Ernie S.]

This has nothing to do with background checks as prescribed by federal law.
How is there a loophole in the federal law?

"Private sellers" duh...

Which, again, has nothing to do with the federal laws regarding background checks.
The fact that you, as an individual, can buy/sell from/to another individual w/o running a background check is not a :"loophole" in the federal law, as the fact that you can do so in no way allows you to get around the federal law - and it CERTAINLY does not have anything specifically to do with gun shows.
You are utterly and completely ignorant of the issue here; this derives from the fact that you only possess the ability to parrot others.

"Private sellers" , AT GUNSHOWS, DINGBAT!!!! LOOPHOLE!!! Ay caramba....

The fact that you, as an individual, can buy/sell from/to another individual w/o running a background check is not a :"loophole" in the federal law.
You either do not understand this, or you are lying to yourself.

Seems like a huge loophole that allows you to sell your gun to a criminal

WRONG AGAIN. It is currently against the law to sell a gun to a felon.

 

[francoHFW]

The fact remains 80% of the country are for ending the private seller/gun show loophole, 90% before the Pub/NRA / GUN CORPORATION got to work on dupes with BS and misinformation. It would help end nutter massacres immediately and the gang banger problem over time.

A huge majority of Americans are against the Iran nuclear deal as well. But I bet you have no problem with how Americans feel about that one.

Link to that bs?

August 20, 2015, 03:13 pm
Poll: Majority want Congress to reject Iran nuclear deal
By Jesse Byrnes

Most Americans say Congress should reject the international deal brokered by the Obama administration over Iran's nuclear program, according to a CNN/ORC International poll released Thursday.

A majority, 56 percent, want lawmakers to reject the deal, up slightly from the 52 percent who voiced that position in the same poll last month. Forty-one percent say Congress should accept the deal.

Poll: Majority want Congress to reject Iran nuclear deal

I.E., NOT a huge majority as you said.

 

[francoHFW]

"Private sellers" duh...

Which, again, has nothing to do with the federal laws regarding background checks.
The fact that you, as an individual, can buy/sell from/to another individual w/o running a background check is not a :"loophole" in the federal law, as the fact that you can do so in no way allows you to get around the federal law - and it CERTAINLY does not have anything specifically to do with gun shows.
You are utterly and completely ignorant of the issue here; this derives from the fact that you only possess the ability to parrot others.

"Private sellers" , AT GUNSHOWS, DINGBAT!!!! LOOPHOLE!!! Ay caramba....

The fact that you, as an individual, can buy/sell from/to another individual w/o running a background check is not a :"loophole" in the federal law.
You either do not understand this, or you are lying to yourself.

Seems like a huge loophole that allows you to sell your gun to a criminal

WRONG AGAIN. It is currently against the law to sell a gun to a felon.

But private sellers don't have to worry.

 

[Ernie S.]

The fact remains 80% of the country are for ending the private seller/gun show loophole, 90% before the Pub/NRA / GUN CORPORATION got to work on dupes with BS and misinformation. It would help end nutter massacres immediately and the gang banger problem over time.

A huge majority of Americans are against the Iran nuclear deal as well. But I bet you have no problem with how Americans feel about that one.

Link to that bs?

August 20, 2015, 03:13 pm
Poll: Majority want Congress to reject Iran nuclear deal
By Jesse Byrnes

Most Americans say Congress should reject the international deal brokered by the Obama administration over Iran's nuclear program, according to a CNN/ORC International poll released Thursday.

A majority, 56 percent, want lawmakers to reject the deal, up slightly from the 52 percent who voiced that position in the same poll last month. Forty-one percent say Congress should accept the deal.

Poll: Majority want Congress to reject Iran nuclear deal

I.E., NOT a huge majority as you said.

56 to 41 (15% margin) is pretty damned significant. 7 years ago, 7.2%% was an "overwhelming mandate" according to Liberals.

 

[Ernie S.]

Which, again, has nothing to do with the federal laws regarding background checks.
The fact that you, as an individual, can buy/sell from/to another individual w/o running a background check is not a :"loophole" in the federal law, as the fact that you can do so in no way allows you to get around the federal law - and it CERTAINLY does not have anything specifically to do with gun shows.
You are utterly and completely ignorant of the issue here; this derives from the fact that you only possess the ability to parrot others.

"Private sellers" , AT GUNSHOWS, DINGBAT!!!! LOOPHOLE!!! Ay caramba....

The fact that you, as an individual, can buy/sell from/to another individual w/o running a background check is not a :"loophole" in the federal law.
You either do not understand this, or you are lying to yourself.

Seems like a huge loophole that allows you to sell your gun to a criminal

WRONG AGAIN. It is currently against the law to sell a gun to a felon.

But private sellers don't have to worry.

Of course they do. If I knowingly sell a weapon to you, an obvious felon, I have committed a felony.

 

[kaz]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.c
So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

that

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Guns kill people, too many bad people have them and law abiding folks aren't going to stop that. To be blunt: GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM. Like rats or lead paint or rabid dogs. What do you do ABOUT THEM? Get rid of them, no brainer. Get rid of them, it isn't hard.

Um... if it isn't that hard, why didn't you mention how you accomplish the task...

 

[kaz]

Why is it people that are pro gun threaten to shoot people that don't agree with them? It's kind of why we are frightened of you folks. Its kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.

Yes, when they threaten me and my family, my issue is I "don't agree with them." While it's true, it's not a value added insight.

All our gun laws do is disarm honest citizens, they do nothing to take guns out of the hands of criminals. You got anything but your magic gun disappearing wand to solve that?

 

[kaz]

And if the killer killed someone they knew, current forensic and detective techniques get the job done. Just watch any of the documentary shows on police and forensic work. It doesn't take registering all non criminals or licensing all non criminals to find the few people who are actually guilty of a crime....

It would also be unConstitutional...since you are essentially violating the "innocent until proven guilty" by assuming everyone is guilty eventually so we might as well keep an eye on everyone.....

No bigger an inconvenience than me registering my car

yes it is. Guns are a Right, cars are not.

Nothing about registration interferes with your gun rights

yes it does...it costs money...to process the paperwork....and as we found out when the democrats used poll taxes to deny blacks their right to vote...taxes and fees used to deny access to a right are unconstitutional......and on top of that...I think it also violates the 5th Amendment...the innocent until proven guilty concept since the whole purpose of licensing gun owners assumes they are a criminal......and need to be monitored.

Part of being a citizen
Buy a gun.....register it

Don't whine about how hard it is

Nobody is accusing you of a crime any more than they accuse you of a crime when you register your car

You are lying. Well, according to you, you are. You keep telling me not answering questions means you are lying.

So for like the 40th time, you OK with registering, getting government approval and paying fees for the rest of your Constitutional rights? Or just that one?

And stop whining when I won't answer your questions, comrade big guy. This is why, you never answer questions

 

[kaz]

It's vicious cycle. We question gun ownership, we are villains. No I want to break that cycle. Nobody needs guns and we need to break that cycle and get on with life.

Right, leave guns to the criminals, we are so much better off.

So my dear, a question. Why do mass shooters keep going to gun free zones? Does that not make you wonder about the wisdom of making everywhere a gun free zone? Do you question it at all?

 

[kaz]

No bigger an inconvenience than me registering my car

yes it is. Guns are a Right, cars are not.

Nothing about registration interferes with your gun rights

yes it does...it costs money...to process the paperwork....and as we found out when the democrats used poll taxes to deny blacks their right to vote...taxes and fees used to deny access to a right are unconstitutional......and on top of that...I think it also violates the 5th Amendment...the innocent until proven guilty concept since the whole purpose of licensing gun owners assumes they are a criminal......and need to be monitored.

Part of being a citizen
Buy a gun.....register it

Don't whine about how hard it is

Nobody is accusing you of a crime any more than they accuse you of a crime when you register your car

However registering a car accomplishes several things: First and most important is identification in the event your car is stolen. It helps police identify you and your car. Registration is proof that you are the legitimate owner of the car in the event you wish to sell it.

Gun registration doesn't accomplish a thing. It won't prevent one person who wants a gun from getting one, and that's the only reason to have your gun registered.

We also ceded the power to create roads, and with that comes regulating their use.

The Bill of Rights says we specifically we withheld the right to take our guns.

They are just fundamentally different

 

[kaz]

yes it is. Guns are a Right, cars are not.

Nothing about registration interferes with your gun rights

yes it does...it costs money...to process the paperwork....and as we found out when the democrats used poll taxes to deny blacks their right to vote...taxes and fees used to deny access to a right are unconstitutional......and on top of that...I think it also violates the 5th Amendment...the innocent until proven guilty concept since the whole purpose of licensing gun owners assumes they are a criminal......and need to be monitored.

Part of being a citizen
Buy a gun.....register it

Don't whine about how hard it is

Nobody is accusing you of a crime any more than they accuse you of a crime when you register your car

However registering a car accomplishes several things: First and most important is identification in the event your car is stolen. It helps police identify you and your car. Registration is proof that you are the legitimate owner of the car in the event you wish to sell it.

Gun registration doesn't accomplish a thing. It won't prevent one person who wants a gun from getting one, and that's the only reason to have your gun registered.

Gun registration will not infringe on your right, unless of course you're a criminal.

AGAIN, you OK with registering for all your Constitutional rights? Or just that one?

And registration does nothing for my OP question, it keeps guns out of the hands of no one except law abiding citizens. Think about it

 

[kaz]

E=" From Cleveland, post: 12357604, member: 55493"]

Why is it people that are pro gun threaten to shoot people that don't agree with them? It's kind of why we are frightened of you folks. Its kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.

Really. I can't even begin to count the number of times pro gun folks threaten to SHOOT me because I disagreed with them, if that isn't a anti gun argument I don't know what IS!

you are full of shit, they do not

 

[kaz]

Nothing about registration interferes with your gun rights

No matter how many times you regurgitate that, it is still a lie.

The second amendment supports gun registration

Right, like the first amendment supports government regulating speech, right, comrade big guy?