Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[2aguy]

Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

Start by closing the loophole that allows an individual to legally sell a gun to a felon.

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Laws may not end child abuse. just as laws have not stopped drunk drivers, nor those running red lights, nor any number of infractions but they may cut down on the numbers of laws broken. Is that the conservative goal now, have no laws either by not passing them or removing them cause laws don't work 100%? All that just to have guns?

The conservatives do not want felons denied guns. Period.

They insist at this point that loopholes that allow individuals to legally sell guns to felons be kept open.

None of them can tell us why though. Why are the loopholes so important?

That isn't true….we want felons who possess guns in jail…moron. We don't want to target normal gun owners who are not the gun selling problem….you guys don't care about the actual violent criminals…..you just want to punish normal gun owners who you hate…….


We have told you over and over again….I know I have….so you put up universal background checks….which will now include private sellers…..so what happens…

I want to sell my gun to my brother…..we now have to get a mandatory background check even though I know he isn't a felon……right?

A widow sells her husbands gun when he dies…she doesn't pay attention to gun laws and sells it to her neighbor or gives it to her son…she is now a felon and whoever bought it or received it is a a felon…you have now made felons out of two normal people and haven't stopped one gun crime…but that is what you want..right?

A woman has a carry permit…..she is going out for the night and takes her husbands gun because she doesn't have her own…..she is now a felon..right..even though she has a carry permit, but because she didn't' go through a background check she can be arrested…right?

and to do universal background checks for private sales….you need to register all guns…otherwise you won't know who had them before the law goes into affect….so one guy has a gun and he just says..oh yeah…I had this before the law went into effect even though he bought it afterward…without registering all guns you won't be able to prosecute him….right?

Your buddy wants to borrow your pistol and try it at the range before he buys one…so now you have to take him down and get a mandatory background check to loan him the gun…even though he already owns guns legally…

ARe those enough reasons to show that your ideas don't work….

And criminals and mass shooters will still not be stopped because they avoid licensing, registering guns and universal background checks because they steal their guns, or buy them from straw purchaser…..who pass and follow all of your laws……...

 

[2aguy]

Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

Start by closing the loophole that allows an individual to legally sell a gun to a felon.

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Laws may not end child abuse. just as laws have not stopped drunk drivers, nor those running red lights, nor any number of infractions but they may cut down on the numbers of laws broken. Is that the conservative goal now, have no laws either by not passing them or removing them cause laws don't work 100%? All that just to have guns?

The conservatives do not want felons denied guns. Period.

They insist at this point that loopholes that allow individuals to legally sell guns to felons be kept open.

None of them can tell us why though. Why are the loopholes so important?

They cut down on the crimes by catching the ones who break them……you guys want to stop crime like Tom Cruise in Minority Report…..

You essentially want all cars to have blow tubes in them so that all drivers have to prove that they aren't drunk when they drive…instead of catching the drunk drivers and just punishing them…..

And licensing gun owners, won't stop criminals or mass shooters.

Registering all guns only applies to normal gun owners since you can't make a criminal register an illegal gun….the Supreme Court said so…

And current background checks have not stopped one mass shooter or criminal because they steal their guns, pass all the laws then become criminals or mass shooters or they get a straw buyer to get their gun…..

The only people affected by the laws are the ones who obey them…..the others are caught after they break the law and then they are punished…….you want to treat all normal gun owners as if they are criminals……unlike any other crime.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

Start by closing the loophole that allows an individual to legally sell a gun to a felon.

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Nope…completely different dynamic…..and not on point. When you are going for a job that is not the same thing as buying a legal product. Again, we are not cops and it is not our job to drag people to a gun store or police station to do a background check. Also, they can get by us and our background check the same way as they get past the mandatory background check at a gun store..they will simply get a friend or relative to buy the gun from you for them.?

So you think it should be legal for you to sell kids alcohol out of the back of your truck?

lol. You are retarded.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

Start by closing the loophole that allows an individual to legally sell a gun to a felon.

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Laws may not end child abuse. just as laws have not stopped drunk drivers, nor those running red lights, nor any number of infractions but they may cut down on the numbers of laws broken. Is that the conservative goal now, have no laws either by not passing them or removing them cause laws don't work 100%? All that just to have guns?

The conservatives do not want felons denied guns. Period.

They insist at this point that loopholes that allow individuals to legally sell guns to felons be kept open.

None of them can tell us why though. Why are the loopholes so important?

They cut down on the crimes by catching the ones who break them……you guys want to stop crime like Tom Cruise in Minority Report…..

You essentially want all cars to have blow tubes in them so that all drivers have to prove that they aren't drunk when they drive…instead of catching the drunk drivers and just punishing them…..

And licensing gun owners, won't stop criminals or mass shooters.

Registering all guns only applies to normal gun owners since you can't make a criminal register an illegal gun….the Supreme Court said so…

And current background checks have not stopped one mass shooter or criminal because they steal their guns, pass all the laws then become criminals or mass shooters or they get a straw buyer to get their gun…..

The only people affected by the laws are the ones who obey them…..the others are caught after they break the law and then they are punished…….you want to treat all normal gun owners as if they are criminals……unlike any other crime.

I want all sellers of guns to have to conform to the same law regarding background checks.

Why don't you?

Why are you obsessed with exempting individuals from the liability of selling a gun to a felon?

 

[regent]

"Won't work because they won't...." sure sounds like an NRA argument. I am reminded of the many arguments that begin in this fashion, it won't work. But at least no one that I have discovered as yet, has used the favorite conservative argument, "Because gun control leads to communism."
Still, it might be worth a shot.

 

[M14 Shooter]

"Won't work because they won't...." sure sounds like an NRA argument. I am reminded of the many arguments that begin in this fashion, it won't work. But at least no one that I have discovered as yet, has used the favorite conservative argument, "Because gun control leads to communism."
Still, it might be worth a shot.

There's no sound reason to adopt a law that will not achieve its stated purpose, especially when the mechanism of the law limits the rights of the law abiding.

 

[Lakhota]

"Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?"

Arm every citizen when they reach school age!

 

[M14 Shooter]

"Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?"
Arm every citizen when they reach school age!

More mindless nonsense from the village useful idiot.

 

[2aguy]

Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

Start by closing the loophole that allows an individual to legally sell a gun to a felon.

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Nope…completely different dynamic…..and not on point. When you are going for a job that is not the same thing as buying a legal product. Again, we are not cops and it is not our job to drag people to a gun store or police station to do a background check. Also, they can get by us and our background check the same way as they get past the mandatory background check at a gun store..they will simply get a friend or relative to buy the gun from you for them.?

So you think it should be legal for you to sell kids alcohol out of the back of your truck?

lol. You are retarded.

where did I say that asswipe?

 

[Mac1958]

Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

Start by closing the loophole that allows an individual to legally sell a gun to a felon.

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Nope…completely different dynamic…..and not on point. When you are going for a job that is not the same thing as buying a legal product. Again, we are not cops and it is not our job to drag people to a gun store or police station to do a background check. Also, they can get by us and our background check the same way as they get past the mandatory background check at a gun store..they will simply get a friend or relative to buy the gun from you for them.?

So you think it should be legal for you to sell kids alcohol out of the back of your truck?

lol. You are retarded.

where did I say that asswipe?

2aguy, you're dealing with the USMB King of the Straw Man Argument.

When he runs out of talking points, he starts making crazy shit up and attributes it to you.

You get used to it.
.

 

[2aguy]

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Laws may not end child abuse. just as laws have not stopped drunk drivers, nor those running red lights, nor any number of infractions but they may cut down on the numbers of laws broken. Is that the conservative goal now, have no laws either by not passing them or removing them cause laws don't work 100%? All that just to have guns?

The conservatives do not want felons denied guns. Period.

They insist at this point that loopholes that allow individuals to legally sell guns to felons be kept open.

None of them can tell us why though. Why are the loopholes so important?

They cut down on the crimes by catching the ones who break them……you guys want to stop crime like Tom Cruise in Minority Report…..

You essentially want all cars to have blow tubes in them so that all drivers have to prove that they aren't drunk when they drive…instead of catching the drunk drivers and just punishing them…..

And licensing gun owners, won't stop criminals or mass shooters.

Registering all guns only applies to normal gun owners since you can't make a criminal register an illegal gun….the Supreme Court said so…

And current background checks have not stopped one mass shooter or criminal because they steal their guns, pass all the laws then become criminals or mass shooters or they get a straw buyer to get their gun…..

The only people affected by the laws are the ones who obey them…..the others are caught after they break the law and then they are punished…….you want to treat all normal gun owners as if they are criminals……unlike any other crime.

I want all sellers of guns to have to conform to the same law regarding background checks.

Why don't you?

Why are you obsessed with exempting individuals from the liability of selling a gun to a felon?

because the guy selling a spare pistol to buy a new one isn't the problem and again...if a criminal,wants,that gun and there are universal background checks, the criminal just sends a guy with a clean record to buy it for him....just like they do now....and your universal background check did nothing to stop that and all it really did was make it more exoensive and legally dangerous for the normal gun owner to sell or give his gun to a relative or sell or give it to a friend....


so wow.....you just made the normal gun owner who has not and will not commit a crime the primary focus of your gun control measure while the criminal and mass shotter get the gun...

Good for you...nice fucking job.......another useless gun control law that didn't stop one criminal or mass shooter from getting a gun....


but now you can ruin the life of the guy who bought his wife a gun, or who sold hos gun to his brother....

 

[2aguy]

"Won't work because they won't...." sure sounds like an NRA argument. I am reminded of the many arguments that begin in this fashion, it won't work. But at least no one that I have discovered as yet, has used the favorite conservative argument, "Because gun control leads to communism."
Still, it might be worth a shot.

You are one of the dumber gun grabbers......please enlighten us.....name a gun control measure you like and explain how it stops any....not all, jist any criminals and mass shooters from getting a gun if they want one.


we don't just say your gun control laws won't work...we explain exactly why they won't work.....so please be more accurate in your posts....

 

[NYcarbineer]

Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

Start by closing the loophole that allows an individual to legally sell a gun to a felon.

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Nope…completely different dynamic…..and not on point. When you are going for a job that is not the same thing as buying a legal product. Again, we are not cops and it is not our job to drag people to a gun store or police station to do a background check. Also, they can get by us and our background check the same way as they get past the mandatory background check at a gun store..they will simply get a friend or relative to buy the gun from you for them.?

So you think it should be legal for you to sell kids alcohol out of the back of your truck?

lol. You are retarded.

where did I say that asswipe?

It was a yes or no question.

You can sell guns out of the back of your truck without a background check of the buyer,

so shouldn't you be able to sell booze in the same manner without an ID check?

 

[2aguy]

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Nope…completely different dynamic…..and not on point. When you are going for a job that is not the same thing as buying a legal product. Again, we are not cops and it is not our job to drag people to a gun store or police station to do a background check. Also, they can get by us and our background check the same way as they get past the mandatory background check at a gun store..they will simply get a friend or relative to buy the gun from you for them.?

So you think it should be legal for you to sell kids alcohol out of the back of your truck?

lol. You are retarded.

where did I say that asswipe?

It was a yes or no question.

You can sell guns out of the back of your truck without a background check of the buyer,

so shouldn't you be able to sell booze in the same manner without an ID check?

Yes.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Laws may not end child abuse. just as laws have not stopped drunk drivers, nor those running red lights, nor any number of infractions but they may cut down on the numbers of laws broken. Is that the conservative goal now, have no laws either by not passing them or removing them cause laws don't work 100%? All that just to have guns?

The conservatives do not want felons denied guns. Period.

They insist at this point that loopholes that allow individuals to legally sell guns to felons be kept open.

None of them can tell us why though. Why are the loopholes so important?

They cut down on the crimes by catching the ones who break them……you guys want to stop crime like Tom Cruise in Minority Report…..

You essentially want all cars to have blow tubes in them so that all drivers have to prove that they aren't drunk when they drive…instead of catching the drunk drivers and just punishing them…..

And licensing gun owners, won't stop criminals or mass shooters.

Registering all guns only applies to normal gun owners since you can't make a criminal register an illegal gun….the Supreme Court said so…

And current background checks have not stopped one mass shooter or criminal because they steal their guns, pass all the laws then become criminals or mass shooters or they get a straw buyer to get their gun…..

The only people affected by the laws are the ones who obey them…..the others are caught after they break the law and then they are punished…….you want to treat all normal gun owners as if they are criminals……unlike any other crime.

I want all sellers of guns to have to conform to the same law regarding background checks.

Why don't you?

Why are you obsessed with exempting individuals from the liability of selling a gun to a felon?

because the guy selling a spare pistol to buy a new one isn't the problem and again...if a criminal,wants,that gun and there are universal background checks, the criminal just sends a guy with a clean record to buy it for him....just like they do now....and your universal background check did nothing to stop that and all it really did was make it more exoensive and legally dangerous for the normal gun owner to sell or give his gun to a relative or sell or give it to a friend....


so wow.....you just made the normal gun owner who has not and will not commit a crime the primary focus of your gun control measure while the criminal and mass shotter get the gun...

Good for you...nice fucking job.......another useless gun control law that didn't stop one criminal or mass shooter from getting a gun....


but now you can ruin the life of the guy who bought his wife a gun, or who sold hos gun to his brother....

If you're under 21 you can send an older guy to buy booze for you. Does that mean we should repeal the 21 year drinking age laws?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Nope…completely different dynamic…..and not on point. When you are going for a job that is not the same thing as buying a legal product. Again, we are not cops and it is not our job to drag people to a gun store or police station to do a background check. Also, they can get by us and our background check the same way as they get past the mandatory background check at a gun store..they will simply get a friend or relative to buy the gun from you for them.?

So you think it should be legal for you to sell kids alcohol out of the back of your truck?

lol. You are retarded.

where did I say that asswipe?

It was a yes or no question.

You can sell guns out of the back of your truck without a background check of the buyer,

so shouldn't you be able to sell booze in the same manner without an ID check?

Yes.

Ok, so we've determined you don't actually support background checks at all.

 

[2aguy]

Since none of the mass shooters were stopped by that law currently…how would changing it stop them later…..

How about when you catch a felon with a gun, you just arrest them and put them in jail…the felon knows he can't have the gun……it is on him, not the seller…the seller is not a cop….

And to do that….for all violent criminals…put a tattoo on their shoulder that identifies them as unable to own or carry guns…that way a private seller just has to ask to see the shoulder…..if they see the mark, they don't sell the gun…..

No need for paperwork, licensing normal gun owners, registering guns or new background checks.

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Nope…completely different dynamic…..and not on point. When you are going for a job that is not the same thing as buying a legal product. Again, we are not cops and it is not our job to drag people to a gun store or police station to do a background check. Also, they can get by us and our background check the same way as they get past the mandatory background check at a gun store..they will simply get a friend or relative to buy the gun from you for them.?

So you think it should be legal for you to sell kids alcohol out of the back of your truck?

lol. You are retarded.

where did I say that asswipe?

It was a yes or no question.

You can sell guns out of the back of your truck without a background check of the buyer,

so shouldn't you be able to sell booze in the same manner without an ID check?

and if you sell to a minor you can be arrested. all you are looking for is age, not an entire criminal background history, That requires more money and police manpower and makes you into an amatier cop....

 

[NYcarbineer]

"Won't work because they won't...." sure sounds like an NRA argument. I am reminded of the many arguments that begin in this fashion, it won't work. But at least no one that I have discovered as yet, has used the favorite conservative argument, "Because gun control leads to communism."
Still, it might be worth a shot.

You are one of the dumber gun grabbers......please enlighten us.....name a gun control measure you like and explain how it stops any....not all, jist any criminals and mass shooters from getting a gun if they want one.


we don't just say your gun control laws won't work...we explain exactly why they won't work.....so please be more accurate in your posts....

Laws are not designed to eliminate crime. They are designed to deter it and to punish for it after the fact.

We don't have laws against rape for the purpose of ending all rape, do we?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you think that jobseekers in places where children are involved should not be screened for a criminal record involving child abuse, pedophilia, etc.?

I mean, children still get molested. What's the sense of having laws trying to prevent it?

Nope…completely different dynamic…..and not on point. When you are going for a job that is not the same thing as buying a legal product. Again, we are not cops and it is not our job to drag people to a gun store or police station to do a background check. Also, they can get by us and our background check the same way as they get past the mandatory background check at a gun store..they will simply get a friend or relative to buy the gun from you for them.?

So you think it should be legal for you to sell kids alcohol out of the back of your truck?

lol. You are retarded.

where did I say that asswipe?

It was a yes or no question.

You can sell guns out of the back of your truck without a background check of the buyer,

so shouldn't you be able to sell booze in the same manner without an ID check?

and if you sell to a minor you can be arrested. all you are looking for is age, not an entire criminal background history, That requires more money and police manpower and makes you into an amatier cop....

If you sell a gun to felon in a private transaction, can you be arrested if you were not required to determine if he was a felon?

No.

 

[2aguy]

Nope…completely different dynamic…..and not on point. When you are going for a job that is not the same thing as buying a legal product. Again, we are not cops and it is not our job to drag people to a gun store or police station to do a background check. Also, they can get by us and our background check the same way as they get past the mandatory background check at a gun store..they will simply get a friend or relative to buy the gun from you for them.?

So you think it should be legal for you to sell kids alcohol out of the back of your truck?

lol. You are retarded.

where did I say that asswipe?

It was a yes or no question.

You can sell guns out of the back of your truck without a background check of the buyer,

so shouldn't you be able to sell booze in the same manner without an ID check?

Yes.

Ok, so we've determined you don't actually support background checks at all.

Actually, I support current background checks even though they don't work...they seem to make you anti gunners happy and so I'll give you that...because it only hassles licensed gun dealers......unicersal background checks...which can be avoided
In the exact same way as current background checks...unecessary since John Q. Citizen isn't sellinglarge nimbers of guns. If the police find someone selling large numbers of guns to criminals.....by arresting criminals who use guns to commit crimes and finding their source...they can execute a sting...and they don't need universal background checks to do that...do they.