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So if you think 41is wrong, what's the real number?
So you believe that when other people tell you that you used the wrong stat and why, they should also research the correct stat you meant to use for you.
Well, at least this explains why you can't go back and read the first post in the thread so you know what it's about...
The actual number is irrelevant to my argument. I've said the US is not the same as the UK. The most obvious starting point being they don't have an open border with Mexico which is maintained as open by the party of our President. Right there any analysis comparing us is hugely flawed.
Our only remaining relevant political party believes al Qaeda should be able to fly to Mexico and walk freely across the border. Criminals should be free to walk across the border. Smugglers should be free to carry drugs, guns and ammunition across the border.
And we have more crime and murders? No shit...
So the higher number of gun deaths in the US is Mexico's fault?
If you can't provide an accurate number other than 41 with a link, it stands.
Anyone who gets shot is responsible for not shooting the other guy first...don't you get it?
Congratulations. You're catching on. Except actually in your world I guess they are responsible for not clairvoyantly predicting when they'd get attacked and thus contacting the cops in time.
Never go full retard... Ooops too late in yoru case.
I think the theory here is that criminals will use up their bullets on the firing range, so by the time they get around to shooting someone they'll be out of bullets. And by the time the next year rolls around and they can finally get more bullets they won't want to kill them anymore.
Makes perfect sense to me...
You really have no grasp of simple logic at all. I'm starting to wonder about lonestar's TM theory. I've seriously trying not to call you stupid, but wow, you are stupid.So if you think 41is wrong, what's the real number?
So you believe that when other people tell you that you used the wrong stat and why, they should also research the correct stat you meant to use for you.
Well, at least this explains why you can't go back and read the first post in the thread so you know what it's about...
The actual number is irrelevant to my argument. I've said the US is not the same as the UK. The most obvious starting point being they don't have an open border with Mexico which is maintained as open by the party of our President. Right there any analysis comparing us is hugely flawed.
Our only remaining relevant political party believes al Qaeda should be able to fly to Mexico and walk freely across the border. Criminals should be free to walk across the border. Smugglers should be free to carry drugs, guns and ammunition across the border.
And we have more crime and murders? No shit...
So the higher number of gun deaths in the US is Mexico's fault?
If you can't provide an accurate number other than 41 with a link, it stands.
Most criminals are too dumb to make bullets. This thread is about keeping guns out of criminals' hands. Are you a criminal?how many drug dealers do you think actually buy their guns off the shelf anyway?
ok, so i make my own bullets. its really east to do. how are you going to keep bullets out of my hands?
do you even know how to have a bullet? do you have any idea how easy it is? do you have any idea of the black market opportunity all of your solutions provide?
You really have no grasp of simple logic at all. I'm starting to wonder about lonestar's TM theory. I've seriously trying not to call you stupid, but wow, you are stupid.So you believe that when other people tell you that you used the wrong stat and why, they should also research the correct stat you meant to use for you.
Well, at least this explains why you can't go back and read the first post in the thread so you know what it's about...
The actual number is irrelevant to my argument. I've said the US is not the same as the UK. The most obvious starting point being they don't have an open border with Mexico which is maintained as open by the party of our President. Right there any analysis comparing us is hugely flawed.
Our only remaining relevant political party believes al Qaeda should be able to fly to Mexico and walk freely across the border. Criminals should be free to walk across the border. Smugglers should be free to carry drugs, guns and ammunition across the border.
And we have more crime and murders? No shit...
So the higher number of gun deaths in the US is Mexico's fault?
For anyone not stupid reading this, what comes through Mexico is responsible for a lot of US crime, but no, that's not the relevant point here. The point is that your claim that gun laws will work is completely belied by how simple it is for guns and ammo to enter the country
If you can't provide an accurate number other than 41 with a link, it stands.
Right, it's people's job to prove your stats wrong, not your job to prove them correct. Good luck getting anyone to care..
Right, it's people's job to prove your stats wrong, not your job to prove them correct. Good luck getting anyone to care..
It was from the guardian, not my stats, so they are already checked. Sorry, you lose.
So your solution is to do nothing, because there's no proper border with Mexico.
Strawman. Seriously, are you actually TM?So your solution is to do nothing, because there's no proper border with Mexico.
My plan would keep assault weapons off the shelves and all guns and bullets out of the hands of drug users. I'd limit gun sales to one every ten years and regulate the number of bullets you could buy per year... Your plan lets anyone buy anything anytime and end up with 9,000+ gun deaths per year.
Specifically how would you keep "all guns and bullets out of the hands of drug users"?
This is the funniest part of her argument. Drugs are illegal, so drug users, who are breaking the law by buying drugs, which are illegal, won't buy guns if they are illegal. And the people who sell illegal drugs won't think of selling illegal guns while they're selling illegal drugs. You're saying that doesn't make sense to you?
And how would you go about regulating gun sales and the number of rounds a person could buy per year?
I think the theory here is that criminals will use up their bullets on the firing range, so by the time they get around to shooting someone they'll be out of bullets. And by the time the next year rolls around and they can finally get more bullets they won't want to kill them anymore.
Makes perfect sense to me...
So how many people died by a gun in England and Wales. Since you seem to know that 41 is wrong.So why is 41 deaths against 9,146 in the US bogus? Seems pretty straightforward to me.
I already told you. Two different criteria were used in those stats.
You have got to be the dullest knife in the drawer.
Are you TM by any chance?
Specifically how would you keep "all guns and bullets out of the hands of drug users"?
This is the funniest part of her argument. Drugs are illegal, so drug users, who are breaking the law by buying drugs, which are illegal, won't buy guns if they are illegal. And the people who sell illegal drugs won't think of selling illegal guns while they're selling illegal drugs. You're saying that doesn't make sense to you?
And how would you go about regulating gun sales and the number of rounds a person could buy per year?
I think the theory here is that criminals will use up their bullets on the firing range, so by the time they get around to shooting someone they'll be out of bullets. And by the time the next year rolls around and they can finally get more bullets they won't want to kill them anymore.
Makes perfect sense to me...
I knew I wasn't going to get any sane response about the specifics. Bottom line is she wants to do away with the 2nd Amendment and ban ALL guns. As if that's going to keep the disturbed from killing or robbing anyone.
Liberals like her cannot see that the places that have the strictest gun laws are also the places with the highest murder rates.
Right, it's people's job to prove your stats wrong, not your job to prove them correct. Good luck getting anyone to care..
It was from the guardian, not my stats, so they are already checked. Sorry, you lose.
So your solution is to do nothing, because there's no proper border with Mexico.
They told you what's wrong with your stats.
Did you notice according to the guardian that in the UK, 6.6% of deaths are by firearm, and in the US 60% are. I thought you kept telling us nobody could figure out another way to kill anyone, so all those people would be alive now? What's up with that?
Strawman. Seriously, are you actually TM?So your solution is to do nothing, because there's no proper border with Mexico.
This is the funniest part of her argument. Drugs are illegal, so drug users, who are breaking the law by buying drugs, which are illegal, won't buy guns if they are illegal. And the people who sell illegal drugs won't think of selling illegal guns while they're selling illegal drugs. You're saying that doesn't make sense to you?
I think the theory here is that criminals will use up their bullets on the firing range, so by the time they get around to shooting someone they'll be out of bullets. And by the time the next year rolls around and they can finally get more bullets they won't want to kill them anymore.
Makes perfect sense to me...
I knew I wasn't going to get any sane response about the specifics. Bottom line is she wants to do away with the 2nd Amendment and ban ALL guns. As if that's going to keep the disturbed from killing or robbing anyone.
Liberals like her cannot see that the places that have the strictest gun laws are also the places with the highest murder rates.
Show me where I said to ban all guns or sftu, you noob.
A criminal shoots an honest citizen, an honest citizen shoots a criminal. It's all the same to you really, they are both people....
I would prerfer nobody gets shot.
However I do think that if society has done such a terrible job protecting the innocent that society owes at least the effort to rectify the situation...
Since you're into mis-characterizing my stances so often despite my correcting you; can I just assume that you're stance is this when you bow down and talk to the fallen 8 year old girl who was just shot by a felon with a gun bought through a loophole.
"Tough luck girl...next time invest in a Kevlar school uniform."
Does that sum up your position right?
I can only your assume to the families of the dead in Aurora Colorado, Newton Connecticut, the Virginia Tech Campus, Columbine, the Washington Naval yard and the families of murder victims in Chicago, Detroit, DC and other battle zones where criminals had guns and the victims followed the law and didn't is "tough luck your father, husband and/or kids are dead...next time invest in Kevlar clothing.
Does that sum up your position right?
This is the funniest part of her argument. Drugs are illegal, so drug users, who are breaking the law by buying drugs, which are illegal, won't buy guns if they are illegal. And the people who sell illegal drugs won't think of selling illegal guns while they're selling illegal drugs. You're saying that doesn't make sense to you?
I think the theory here is that criminals will use up their bullets on the firing range, so by the time they get around to shooting someone they'll be out of bullets. And by the time the next year rolls around and they can finally get more bullets they won't want to kill them anymore.
Makes perfect sense to me...
I knew I wasn't going to get any sane response about the specifics. Bottom line is she wants to do away with the 2nd Amendment and ban ALL guns. As if that's going to keep the disturbed from killing or robbing anyone.
Liberals like her cannot see that the places that have the strictest gun laws are also the places with the highest murder rates.
Show me where I said to ban all guns or sftu, you noob.
I would prerfer nobody gets shot.
However I do think that if society has done such a terrible job protecting the innocent that society owes at least the effort to rectify the situation...
Since you're into mis-characterizing my stances so often despite my correcting you; I can just assume that you're stance is this when you bow down and talk to the fallen 8 year old girl who was just shot by a felon with a gun bought through a loophole.
"Tough luck girl...next time invest in a Kevlar school uniform."
Does that sum up your position right?
I can only your assume to the families of the dead in Aurora Colorado, Newton Connecticut, the Virginia Tech Campus, Columbine, the Washington Naval yard and the families of murder victims in Chicago, Detroit, DC and other battle zones where criminals had guns and the victims followed the law and didn't is "tough luck your father, husband and/or kids are dead...next time invest in Kevlar clothing.
Does that sum up your position right?
Try writing a sentence that makes sense and I'll comment. Or stop mis-characterizing my position after I've corrected you three times.
It was from the guardian, not my stats, so they are already checked. Sorry, you lose.
So your solution is to do nothing, because there's no proper border with Mexico.
They told you what's wrong with your stats.
Did you notice according to the guardian that in the UK, 6.6% of deaths are by firearm, and in the US 60% are. I thought you kept telling us nobody could figure out another way to kill anyone, so all those people would be alive now? What's up with that?
Strawman. Seriously, are you actually TM?So your solution is to do nothing, because there's no proper border with Mexico.
Never said what you claim I said.
So what is your solution? No wait, you have none, you're happy with 9000 deaths a year by gun.
It was from the guardian, not my stats, so they are already checked. Sorry, you lose.
So your solution is to do nothing, because there's no proper border with Mexico.
They told you what's wrong with your stats.
Did you notice according to the guardian that in the UK, 6.6% of deaths are by firearm, and in the US 60% are. I thought you kept telling us nobody could figure out another way to kill anyone, so all those people would be alive now? What's up with that?
Strawman. Seriously, are you actually TM?So your solution is to do nothing, because there's no proper border with Mexico.
Never said what you claim I said.
So what is your solution? No wait, you have none, you're happy with 9000 deaths a year by gun.
On Monday night in Washington, D.C., a woman walking to her Capitol Hill townhouse was grabbed by a man who told her to give him her wallet and phone. But where most of us would have happily parted with our possessions in order to escape unharmed, this victim took a different tack: She claimed to work for the National Security Agency, and that the agency would trace her phone if she lost it.
Pretending to be an NSA intern was the first strategy she could think of, she later told the Washington Examiner. The story simultaneously explained why she had no cash on herpainting herself as an unpaid employeeand put the paranoia of government surveillance into the mugger, with the chilling suggestion that the NSA could cause problems for him down the line if he didnt walk away. After brief consideration, he did.
They told you what's wrong with your stats.
Did you notice according to the guardian that in the UK, 6.6% of deaths are by firearm, and in the US 60% are. I thought you kept telling us nobody could figure out another way to kill anyone, so all those people would be alive now? What's up with that?
Strawman. Seriously, are you actually TM?
Never said what you claim I said.
So what is your solution? No wait, you have none, you're happy with 9000 deaths a year by gun.
You have not presented a single concept that would disarm criminals. Every one of the suggestions and demands made by you and the far left disarm law abiding citizens and do NOTHING about illegally obtained firearms. None of the suggestions or demands prevent criminals from smuggling in new weapons and ammunition.
Thank you for helping to prove my point. Well done.I realize that there are tons of guns out there now, but close the barn door, and eventually guns won't work, will get thrown in the water, will make it into Mexico... and over time, the supply of guns out there will keep going down. Have to do something, c'mon. Plus regulate bullets a lot better?
And Bern, YOU should go get yourself checked for mental health problems, just to be sure.
And how are you going to prevent guns from coming in and replacing them?
The Left want free flow of illegal immigration, so they just walk across the border. Criminals, drugs, they all come with them. They are coming now, seriously, bringing guns and using/selling them wouldn't occur to them? Criminals won't just go across the border and walk back either?
Seriously, read ... the ... op. What scares you about doing that?
It's a pretty simple concept actually. Lots of countries around the world regulate guns pretty heavily and all of them have gun deaths lower than the US. Gun nuts must want kids to get shot at school?
