Kid gets thrown in North Korean Jail for 15 years

[SuperDemocrat]

I read this story and was surprised at the lack of sympathy for this kid. Apparently he took a flag and he is getting 15 years for it. Really? Most of the comments we he should have obeyed the laws of other countries. I get that. The laws of any country should be followed since it kind of keeps us from descending into anarchy but what if the laws themselves were just plain unfair to begin with? It is just a symptom of a much wider problem in American society where we are becoming more and more accepting of authoritarianism. The military teaches that following orders is the highest virtue. They do that because they need obedient soldiers who will run straight into enemy gunfire on command. In the military this is useful since it is the military but outside of the military this is something really dehumanizing. Who really says that any human being can tell another human being what to do beyond what they would tolerate. I put up with my boss telling me what to do because I get paid to do a job. Obeying my boss for the sake of obedience itself is horseshit. The same goes for government. We have certain limits of how far someone else can treat us.

I've notice that penalties for minor non-violent crimes have increased in the last 20 years. Has anyone seen how outrageous the fines for minor traffic tickets have became? One day we might sentence some kid for fifteen years just because they littered somewhere and everyone will say 'that is the law'. It is going to be a sad day in America when that happens but it will happen because people have adapted the mindset that they are subservient to authority and whatever freedom they have they have because they gave it to them. Long live the people republic of America.

 

[pismoe]

KID , what is he , 18 to 21 years old , he isn't a kid , he is an adult . Also not a very smart adult , why would any adult go to 'n.korea' in the first place ?? And then to top it off this dummie does a petty crime . Yep, the guy isn't very smart . ------------------------------------ of course I agree with your second paragraph where you talk about the USA but the USA ain't 'n. korea' YET !!

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Any American who goes to the DPRK is bonafide nuts.

 

[pismoe]

and the pastors that go back to iran to visit Grannie are also dummies . Same for the hikers that hike close to the 'iranian' border and get picked up as spies . All dummies in my opinion .

 

[SuperDemocrat]

KID , what is he , 18 to 21 years old , he isn't a kid , he is an adult . Also not a very smart adult , why would any adult go to 'n.korea' in the first place ?? And then to top it off this dummie does a petty crime . Yep, the guy isn't very smart . ------------------------------------ of course I agree with your second paragraph where you talk about the USA but the USA ain't 'n. korea' !!

I guess he isn't a kid per say but relatively speaking he is and even at that age their might be some kind of immaturity in someone. There are older people with kids who might act like that as well but honestly, I can just see myself at that age and thinking that it might be "cool" to do such a thing. I don't know if he deserved 15 years for what he did.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I read this story and was surprised at the lack of sympathy for this kid. Apparently he took a flag and he is getting 15 years for it. Really? Most of the comments we he should have obeyed the laws of other countries. I get that. The laws of any country should be followed since it kind of keeps us from descending into anarchy but what if the laws themselves were just plain unfair to begin with? It is just a symptom of a much wider problem in American society where we are becoming more and more accepting of authoritarianism. The military teaches that following orders is the highest virtue. They do that because they need obedient soldiers who will run straight into enemy gunfire on command. In the military this is useful since it is the military but outside of the military this is something really dehumanizing. Who really says that any human being can tell another human being what to do beyond what they would tolerate. I put up with my boss telling me what to do because I get paid to do a job. Obeying my boss for the sake of obedience itself is horseshit. The same goes for government. We have certain limits of how far someone else can treat us.

I've notice that penalties for minor non-violent crimes have increased in the last 20 years. Has anyone seen how outrageous the fines for minor traffic tickets have became? One day we might sentence some kid for fifteen years just because they littered somewhere and everyone will say 'that is the law'. It is going to be a sad day in America when that happens but it will happen because people have adapted the mindset that they are subservient to authority and whatever freedom they have they have because they gave it to them. Long live the people republic of America.

one has to wonder if he will feel differently about communism

if he survives 15 years of hard labor

--LOL

 

[jon_berzerk]

KID , what is he , 18 to 21 years old , he isn't a kid , he is an adult . Also not a very smart adult , why would any adult go to 'n.korea' in the first place ?? And then to top it off this dummie does a petty crime . Yep, the guy isn't very smart . ------------------------------------ of course I agree with your second paragraph where you talk about the USA but the USA ain't 'n. korea' !!

I guess he isn't a kid per say but relatively speaking he is and even at that age their might be some kind of immaturity in someone. There are older people with kids who might act like that as well but honestly, I can just see myself at that age and thinking that it might be "cool" to do such a thing. I don't know if he deserved 15 years for what he did.

in cases like this

the little pig can

give pardons based on $$$$$$

 

[SuperDemocrat]

and the pastors that go back to iran to visit Grannie are also dummies . Same for the hikers that hike close to the 'iranian' border and get picked up as spies . All dummies in my opinion .

I kind of think that people believe all the propaganda that the United States is evil and these countries are the victims of US evil. They then think nothing bad can happen to them because all of the terrible stories they hear are nothing but US propaganda and the byproduct of 'hate'. I suspect that is how some of these people might see it which may explain the 'stupidness' of their actions.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I read this story and was surprised at the lack of sympathy for this kid. Apparently he took a flag and he is getting 15 years for it. Really? Most of the comments we he should have obeyed the laws of other countries. I get that. The laws of any country should be followed since it kind of keeps us from descending into anarchy but what if the laws themselves were just plain unfair to begin with? It is just a symptom of a much wider problem in American society where we are becoming more and more accepting of authoritarianism. The military teaches that following orders is the highest virtue. They do that because they need obedient soldiers who will run straight into enemy gunfire on command. In the military this is useful since it is the military but outside of the military this is something really dehumanizing. Who really says that any human being can tell another human being what to do beyond what they would tolerate. I put up with my boss telling me what to do because I get paid to do a job. Obeying my boss for the sake of obedience itself is horseshit. The same goes for government. We have certain limits of how far someone else can treat us.

I've notice that penalties for minor non-violent crimes have increased in the last 20 years. Has anyone seen how outrageous the fines for minor traffic tickets have became? One day we might sentence some kid for fifteen years just because they littered somewhere and everyone will say 'that is the law'. It is going to be a sad day in America when that happens but it will happen because people have adapted the mindset that they are subservient to authority and whatever freedom they have they have because they gave it to them. Long live the people republic of America.

one has to wonder if he will feel differently about communism

if he survives 15 years of hard labor

--LOL

We are kind of making an assumption that he likes communism. I don't think the article said anything like that.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I read this story and was surprised at the lack of sympathy for this kid. Apparently he took a flag and he is getting 15 years for it. Really? Most of the comments we he should have obeyed the laws of other countries. I get that. The laws of any country should be followed since it kind of keeps us from descending into anarchy but what if the laws themselves were just plain unfair to begin with? It is just a symptom of a much wider problem in American society where we are becoming more and more accepting of authoritarianism. The military teaches that following orders is the highest virtue. They do that because they need obedient soldiers who will run straight into enemy gunfire on command. In the military this is useful since it is the military but outside of the military this is something really dehumanizing. Who really says that any human being can tell another human being what to do beyond what they would tolerate. I put up with my boss telling me what to do because I get paid to do a job. Obeying my boss for the sake of obedience itself is horseshit. The same goes for government. We have certain limits of how far someone else can treat us.

I've notice that penalties for minor non-violent crimes have increased in the last 20 years. Has anyone seen how outrageous the fines for minor traffic tickets have became? One day we might sentence some kid for fifteen years just because they littered somewhere and everyone will say 'that is the law'. It is going to be a sad day in America when that happens but it will happen because people have adapted the mindset that they are subservient to authority and whatever freedom they have they have because they gave it to them. Long live the people republic of America.

one has to wonder if he will feel differently about communism

if he survives 15 years of hard labor

--LOL

We are kind of making an assumption that he likes communism. I don't think the article said anything like that.

why the (F) would one travel to North Korea

--LOL

 

[Pogo]

Any American who goes to the DPRK is bonafide nuts.

Why?

Aren't you the least bit curious?

​

 

[pismoe]

another thing that annoys me is that it is my ASSUMPTION that many of the pastors or visitors to iran and other hellholes are 'dual citizens' to the hell hole that they escaped and the USA . Just annoys me as I hate the concept of DUAL citizens and when I hear a Dualie describe himself as an American , well , he is FOS in my opinion !!

 

[Mr Natural]

Agreed that what he did was stupid but have some compassion. The kid (yes, he is a kid and kids do stupid things) could conceivably spends 15 years in some hellhole for basically what amounted to a prank.

 

[Pogo]

Any American who goes to the DPRK is bonafide nuts.

Why?

Aren't you the least bit curious?

​

Why exactly is that "funny"?

You think it's "funny" to learn things?
What, you guys get off on ignorance?

 

[pismoe]

KID , what is he , 18 to 21 years old , he isn't a kid , he is an adult . Also not a very smart adult , why would any adult go to 'n.korea' in the first place ?? And then to top it off this dummie does a petty crime . Yep, the guy isn't very smart . ------------------------------------ of course I agree with your second paragraph where you talk about the USA but the USA ain't 'n. korea' !!

I guess he isn't a kid per say but relatively speaking he is and even at that age their might be some kind of immaturity in someone. There are older people with kids who might act like that as well but honestly, I can just see myself at that age and thinking that it might be "cool" to do such a thing. I don't know if he deserved 15 years for what he did.

----------------------------- I don't think that he deserves 15 years or anything but a fine and a news story , my point is only that he isn't a kid . Hope that he gets out but he isn't a kid Mr. Clean .

 

[Pogo]

another thing that annoys me is that it is my ASSUMPTION that many of the pastors or visitors to iran and other hellholes are 'dual citizens' to the hell hole that they escaped and the USA . Just annoys me as I hate the concept of DUAL citizens and when I hear a Dualie describe himself as an American , well , he is FOS in my opinion !!

If your ass-umptions annoy you --- don''t make them.

One of them being the last line, as if everybody is supposed to pick exclusive citzenship "sides" and hunker down as if they're in some kind of "war".

 

[pismoe]

kids to 26 living in Moms basement and on Dads insurance ehh Mr. Clean .

 

[paulitician]

Why the hell was he in North Korea? So many other places to visit around the world. Yet he chooses North Korea? Not a very wise decision. Big lesson learned here is, always know and respect the laws and customs of the foreign nations you visit. That being said, i'm sure a deal wil be worked out. He won't do the 15yrs.

 

[Katzndogz]

He deserves the 15 years because he is in someone else's country where they make the rules. This is like the kid who was caned for graffiti in Singapore, or the couple arrested in Dubai for kissing. You go to someone else's country you best not make yourself at home.

 

[pismoe]

another thing that annoys me is that it is my ASSUMPTION that many of the pastors or visitors to iran and other hellholes are 'dual citizens' to the hell hole that they escaped and the USA . Just annoys me as I hate the concept of DUAL citizens and when I hear a Dualie describe himself as an American , well , he is FOS in my opinion !!

If your ass-umptions annoy you --- don''t make them.

One of them being the last line, as if everybody is supposed to pick exclusive citzenship "sides" and hunker down as if they're in some kind of "war".

---------------------------------------- divided loyalties Pogo and I don't like divided loyalties . Dummies keep traveling , well they might end up in 'ervin' prison in iran , ok with me Pogo !!