Las Vegas shooting - a point not yet made

Remind me, how many people did he kill and historically how does that number line up with other mass shootings?


Las Vegas.... 58 killed...2 rifles used. ( firing from a concealed, fortified position into a tightly packed, unsuspecting crowd, of over 22,000 people)

Virginia Tech.... 32 killed, 2 pistols used...

Luby's Cafe.... 24 killed, 2 pistols used.....

Nice, Paris...muslim terrorist using a rental truck....... 86 killed, 435 injured

Yeah, he's number 1 in the US. Congratulations I guess.


This is why leftists like you need to be kept from the levers of power in this country.

I'm not really for an assault weapons ban, but to deny what this guy was able to do with what he has is just dishonest.


The reason he was able to do that was the choice of his target, not the weapon...

It was both. Unless you think a bow and arrow or hand gun would have had the same impact, why do you lie?

Gilroy...same rifle...3 killed...cause armed people shot back right away.

Doesn't change what happened in Vegas.

Dayton....9 people...same rifle, cause armed people shot back right away.

Doesn't change what happened in Vegas.

Virginia Tech...32 people killed with 2 pistols...cause the shooter wasn't stopped by people with guns as he rampaged around the campus.

Guess what? No change to what happened in Vegas.

Luby's cafe...24 people with 2 pistols cause the one woman who had her gun, had to leave it in her car because Luby's was a gun free zone.

Jesus, how long ago did thi happen? Still....no change to what happened in Vegas.

Again, largest mass shooting in US history. Deal with it like a human being.
 
Las Vegas.... 58 killed...2 rifles used. ( firing from a concealed, fortified position into a tightly packed, unsuspecting crowd, of over 22,000 people)

Virginia Tech.... 32 killed, 2 pistols used...

Luby's Cafe.... 24 killed, 2 pistols used.....

Nice, Paris...muslim terrorist using a rental truck....... 86 killed, 435 injured

Yeah, he's number 1 in the US. Congratulations I guess.


This is why leftists like you need to be kept from the levers of power in this country.

I'm not really for an assault weapons ban, but to deny what this guy was able to do with what he has is just dishonest.


The reason he was able to do that was the choice of his target, not the weapon...

It was both. Unless you think a bow and arrow or hand gun would have had the same impact, why do you lie?

Gilroy...same rifle...3 killed...cause armed people shot back right away.

Doesn't change what happened in Vegas.

Dayton....9 people...same rifle, cause armed people shot back right away.

Doesn't change what happened in Vegas.

Virginia Tech...32 people killed with 2 pistols...cause the shooter wasn't stopped by people with guns as he rampaged around the campus.

Guess what? No change to what happened in Vegas.

Luby's cafe...24 people with 2 pistols cause the one woman who had her gun, had to leave it in her car because Luby's was a gun free zone.

Jesus, how long ago did thi happen? Still....no change to what happened in Vegas.

Again, largest mass shooting in US history. Deal with it like a human being.


Again.......there is the truth, then the irrational crap you are pushing....

Bicycles kill more people than AR-15 rifles do and they kill more people than AR-15 rifles do every single year....... according to you, they need to be banned.

Each year, ladders kill more people than AR-15 rifles do.....300 people a year..

Ladder Safety - InterNACHI®

According to you, we now need to ban ladders.....

You are irrational...
 
Las Vegas.... 58 killed...2 rifles used. ( firing from a concealed, fortified position into a tightly packed, unsuspecting crowd, of over 22,000 people)

Virginia Tech.... 32 killed, 2 pistols used...

Luby's Cafe.... 24 killed, 2 pistols used.....

Nice, Paris...muslim terrorist using a rental truck....... 86 killed, 435 injured

Yeah, he's number 1 in the US. Congratulations I guess.


This is why leftists like you need to be kept from the levers of power in this country.

I'm not really for an assault weapons ban, but to deny what this guy was able to do with what he has is just dishonest.


The reason he was able to do that was the choice of his target, not the weapon...

It was both. Unless you think a bow and arrow or hand gun would have had the same impact, why do you lie?

Gilroy...same rifle...3 killed...cause armed people shot back right away.

Doesn't change what happened in Vegas.

Dayton....9 people...same rifle, cause armed people shot back right away.

Doesn't change what happened in Vegas.

Virginia Tech...32 people killed with 2 pistols...cause the shooter wasn't stopped by people with guns as he rampaged around the campus.

Guess what? No change to what happened in Vegas.

Luby's cafe...24 people with 2 pistols cause the one woman who had her gun, had to leave it in her car because Luby's was a gun free zone.

Jesus, how long ago did thi happen? Still....no change to what happened in Vegas.

Again, largest mass shooting in US history. Deal with it like a human being.


A Rental Truck in Nice, France was used to kill 86 people and injure over 435..... that cars are used for good reasons doesn't change what happened in Nice, France.... civilians should not own trucks...according to your logic, they should be reserved for the police and military.
 
I'm not really for an assault weapons ban, but to deny what this guy was able to do with what he has is just dishonest.
As is is your avoidance of the question as to why the shooter chose to spend tens of thousand of dollars on firearms, but limit the number of people he could kill.
Those firearms were his hobby. Whether it was the right choice or not, he want with what was easily available and he had at least some experience with them. Not really sure what your point is.
Because you refuse to pay attention.
That he didn't do it the way you think would have been best?
Its clear you aren't willing to consider this issue in a rational, reasoned way.
Get well soon.

That Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings used an assault rifle? I mean, I can understand being afraid of losing your privileges, but to make up your own mythologies about why this guy didn't use some obscure weapon that most Americans never heard of is you just lying to yourself.

Look at this for example:

What the deadliest mass shootings have in common

Since Columbine (according to this September 2019 article) there have been 115 mass shootings. Of those attackes assault weapons were only used in a little more than 25% but accounted for 40% of the casualties and 69% of all injuries.

Assault weapons are more dangerous than hand guns and other weapons. It's just the way it is.
 
The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

The guy was impressive, that much is for sure. His ability to simultaneously fire weapons of differing calibers from different floors is almost super human. One man, from at least four vantage points at exactly the same time.He used this to herd people into a kill zone.
 
Yeah, he's number 1 in the US. Congratulations I guess.


This is why leftists like you need to be kept from the levers of power in this country.

I'm not really for an assault weapons ban, but to deny what this guy was able to do with what he has is just dishonest.


The reason he was able to do that was the choice of his target, not the weapon...

It was both. Unless you think a bow and arrow or hand gun would have had the same impact, why do you lie?

Gilroy...same rifle...3 killed...cause armed people shot back right away.

Doesn't change what happened in Vegas.

Dayton....9 people...same rifle, cause armed people shot back right away.

Doesn't change what happened in Vegas.

Virginia Tech...32 people killed with 2 pistols...cause the shooter wasn't stopped by people with guns as he rampaged around the campus.

Guess what? No change to what happened in Vegas.

Luby's cafe...24 people with 2 pistols cause the one woman who had her gun, had to leave it in her car because Luby's was a gun free zone.

Jesus, how long ago did thi happen? Still....no change to what happened in Vegas.

Again, largest mass shooting in US history. Deal with it like a human being.


Again.......there is the truth, then the irrational crap you are pushing....

Bicycles kill more people than AR-15 rifles do and they kill more people than AR-15 rifles do every single year....... according to you, they need to be banned.

Each year, ladders kill more people than AR-15 rifles do.....300 people a year..

Ladder Safety - InterNACHI®

According to you, we now need to ban ladders.....

You are irrational...

More people use bicycles and ladders. Not really sure that's relevant. More people also die from choking too, not really sure there is a point to be made.
 
As is is your avoidance of the question as to why the shooter chose to spend tens of thousand of dollars on firearms, but limit the number of people he could kill.
Those firearms were his hobby. Whether it was the right choice or not, he want with what was easily available and he had at least some experience with them. Not really sure what your point is.
Because you refuse to pay attention.
That he didn't do it the way you think would have been best?
Its clear you aren't willing to consider this issue in a rational, reasoned way.
Get well soon.

That Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings used an assault rifle? I mean, I can understand being afraid of losing your privileges, but to make up your own mythologies about why this guy didn't use some obscure weapon that most Americans never heard of is you just lying to yourself.

Look at this for example:

What the deadliest mass shootings have in common

Since Columbine (according to this September 2019 article) there have been 115 mass shootings. Of those attackes assault weapons were only used in a little more than 25% but accounted for 40% of the casualties and 69% of all injuries.

Assault weapons are more dangerous than hand guns and other weapons. It's just the way it is.


It is the target location....as we keep showing you...and the time it takes for someone to shoot back and stop the shooter.......again...

Gilroy...same rifle as the las vegas shooter.....3 killed...stopped by people with guns.

Dayton...same rifle as the las vegas shooter....9 killed...stopped by people with guns.


Russian shooter in Kerch, Russia. 5 shot, pump action shotgun...20 killed, 70 injured with the police station 300 meters away.

Texas Church shooting....shooter had the same type of shotgun, 5 shot, pump action..killed two, stopped in 6 seconds by armed citizen.

It isn't the gun, it isn't the magazine...it is the time the shooter has to kill before someone uses a gun to stop them....

Again.....18 million of these guns in private hands....and ladders kill more people each year than AR-15 rifles....bicycles kill more people each year than AR-15 rifles...

A rental truck killed 86 people and injured 435....so no matter how good cars are, it doesn't happen in Nice, France.
 
The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

The guy was impressive, that much is for sure. His ability to simultaneously fire weapons of differing calibers from different floors is almost super human. One man, from at least four vantage points at exactly the same time.He used this to herd people into a kill zone.


YOu would have to link to that evidence.
 
That Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings used an assault rifle?
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
Which shootings?
Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings.
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?

These?

  1. Route 91 Harvest music festival, Las Vegas, October 2, 2017: 59 killed, 526 injured. - assault rifle
  2. Pulse, Orlando, Fla., June 2016: 49 killed and more than 50 injured. - assault rifle
  3. Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va., April 2007: 32 killed and 17 injured on campus.
  4. Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown, Conn., December 2012: 26 killed. - assault rifle
  5. First Baptist Church, Sutherland Springs, Texas, November 2017: 26 killed. - assault rifle
  6. Luby's Cafeteria, Killeen, Texas, October 1991: 23 killed.
  7. Walmart, El Paso, Texas, August 3, 2019: At least 22 killed, 26 injured. - assault rifle
  8. McDonald's, San Ysdiro, Calif., July 1984: 21 killed.
  9. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Parkland, Fla., February 2018: 17 killed. - assault rifle
  10. University of Texas Tower, Austin, Texas, August 1966: 16 killed around campus.
6 out of 10. I wonder what that number looks like post Columbine.
 
Those firearms were his hobby. Whether it was the right choice or not, he want with what was easily available and he had at least some experience with them. Not really sure what your point is.
Because you refuse to pay attention.
That he didn't do it the way you think would have been best?
Its clear you aren't willing to consider this issue in a rational, reasoned way.
Get well soon.

That Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings used an assault rifle? I mean, I can understand being afraid of losing your privileges, but to make up your own mythologies about why this guy didn't use some obscure weapon that most Americans never heard of is you just lying to yourself.

Look at this for example:

What the deadliest mass shootings have in common

Since Columbine (according to this September 2019 article) there have been 115 mass shootings. Of those attackes assault weapons were only used in a little more than 25% but accounted for 40% of the casualties and 69% of all injuries.

Assault weapons are more dangerous than hand guns and other weapons. It's just the way it is.


It is the target location....as we keep showing you...and the time it takes for someone to shoot back and stop the shooter.......again...

Gilroy...same rifle as the las vegas shooter.....3 killed...stopped by people with guns.

Dayton...same rifle as the las vegas shooter....9 killed...stopped by people with guns.


Russian shooter in Kerch, Russia. 5 shot, pump action shotgun...20 killed, 70 injured with the police station 300 meters away.

Texas Church shooting....shooter had the same type of shotgun, 5 shot, pump action..killed two, stopped in 6 seconds by armed citizen.

It isn't the gun, it isn't the magazine...it is the time the shooter has to kill before someone uses a gun to stop them....

Again.....18 million of these guns in private hands....and ladders kill more people each year than AR-15 rifles....bicycles kill more people each year than AR-15 rifles...

A rental truck killed 86 people and injured 435....so no matter how good cars are, it doesn't happen in Nice, France.


You can fail to make your point again and again. Assault Rifles result in more deaths and injuries when used vs other weapons. I've already provided that. 25% of mass shootings use assault weapons 40% of deaths and 69% of injuries result.
 
That Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings used an assault rifle?
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
Which shootings?
Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings.
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
These?
Neither the LV shooting, nor any of the next 10 mass shootings, used an assault rifle.
Not. A. Single. One.
That aside - what's your point?
 
That Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings used an assault rifle?
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
Which shootings?
Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings.
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
These?
Neither the LV shooting, nor any of the next 10 mass shootings, used an assault rifle.
Not. A. Single. One.
That aside - what's your point?

Sure bud. I enjoy the distinction between military and sporting grade weapons as much as the next guy. But we're not talking about what the U.S. Army is using. Do you want to obfuscate on this further?
 
That Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings used an assault rifle?
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
Which shootings?
Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings.
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?

These?

  1. Route 91 Harvest music festival, Las Vegas, October 2, 2017: 59 killed, 526 injured. - assault rifle
  2. Pulse, Orlando, Fla., June 2016: 49 killed and more than 50 injured. - assault rifle
  3. Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va., April 2007: 32 killed and 17 injured on campus.
  4. Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown, Conn., December 2012: 26 killed. - assault rifle
  5. First Baptist Church, Sutherland Springs, Texas, November 2017: 26 killed. - assault rifle
  6. Luby's Cafeteria, Killeen, Texas, October 1991: 23 killed.
  7. Walmart, El Paso, Texas, August 3, 2019: At least 22 killed, 26 injured. - assault rifle
  8. McDonald's, San Ysdiro, Calif., July 1984: 21 killed.
  9. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Parkland, Fla., February 2018: 17 killed. - assault rifle
  10. University of Texas Tower, Austin, Texas, August 1966: 16 killed around campus.
6 out of 10. I wonder what that number looks like post Columbine.


Pulse...gun free zone, the police did not enter......

Sandy Hook....gun free zone, the police did not enter before the killer killed himself.

Sutherland Springs.....26 lives saved when an NRA instructor with his own AR-15 rifle stopped the killer and eventually held him for police....

Stoneman, Douglas....gun free zone...the police did not enter.

Walmart, Texas...no one with a gun confronted the shooter....Texas church shooting, the killing was stopped in 6 seconds.

We could go on....but the one thing they all have in common.....gun free zones.....and the killing didn't stop till people with guns showed up......

Again.....18 million AR-15s in private hands.... 6 of them used over a 6 year period......average 2 a year.............

Ladders kill 300 people a year......bicycles over 300 a year...knives over 1,500 a year...

There is no rational argument for what you propose.......

Interesting that you brought up the Texas Tower shooting....do you understand that students at the university used their own rifles, from their cars that they had on campus to pin down the shooter? Saving lives? Do you understand that?
 
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
Which shootings?
Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings.
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
These?
Neither the LV shooting, nor any of the next 10 mass shootings, used an assault rifle.
Not. A. Single. One.
That aside - what's your point?
Sure bud. I enjoy the distinction between military and sporting grade weapons as much as the next guy. But we're not talking about what the U.S. Army is using.
Why do you refuse to understand that none of these shootings were committed with an assault rifle?
That aside - what's your point?
 
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
Which shootings?
Las Vegas and something like 7 out of the 10 biggest mass shootings.
None of these shootings involved an assault rifle.
That aside - what's your point?
These?
Neither the LV shooting, nor any of the next 10 mass shootings, used an assault rifle.
Not. A. Single. One.
That aside - what's your point?

Sure bud. I enjoy the distinction between military and sporting grade weapons as much as the next guy. But we're not talking about what the U.S. Army is using. Do you want to obfuscate on this further?


You don't understand the difference between sporting and milltary grade weapons...

Pump action shotgun.....current military weapon used by militaries all over the world.

Bolt action, deer rifle....current military weapon used by militaries all over the world.

AR-15.....not a military weapon, not used by any military anywhere in the world.
 

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