Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[L.K.Eder]

The Oklahoma City bomber modified a vehicle to kills many more than the Vegas ass.

Yet we see no calls to eliminate trucks?

Interesting.

wow. deep.

Wow, idiot.

be proud of your deep thought. no one ever has presented your line of "reasoning".

 

[Pop23]

We the people get to decide our gun laws

If a weapon is found to be a threat to the social order it can be banned

Slaughtering people with a high rate of fire affects the social order

Less than 1% of all murders are committed during a mass shooting
Hardly any social order disruption at all.

Meanwhile the other 99% of murders and violent crime committed with guns is ignored as our current gun laws are not enforced and we refuse to actually address the cause of the violence.

If rifles disrupt the so called social order of things then what about fists and feet? After all more people are killed by other people using their hands and feet every year than by all rifles combined.

What about knives? If rifles disrupt the so called social order knives surely must as well because more people are killed with knives every year than by either fists and feet or all rifles combined

We can justify someone owning a handgun for personal protection. We can justify someone owning a hunting rifle with a scope or a target rifle

We cannot justify someone owning an assault rifle modified to shoot 600 rounds per minute

Or a truck that can be modified to blow up hundreds?

Hypocrites

Purchasing explosives is tightly controlled
Purchasing an assault rifle and the kit to modify it for high rates of fire is not

Purchasing explosives is tightly controlled

Where did he get the explosives, (dynamite, C4, etc), he used to blow up the building?

Funny, ain't it.

I can buy a pressure cooker at Walmart.

And congress does nothing!

 

[Skull Pilot]

you can say whatever you want you just can't force other people to listen or comply.

The fact is that the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners will never turn a weapon on another person and need no advice from the likes of you on the choices they make.

We the people get to decide our gun laws

If a weapon is found to be a threat to the social order it can be banned

Slaughtering people with a high rate of fire affects the social order

Less than 1% of all murders are committed during a mass shooting
Hardly any social order disruption at all.

Meanwhile the other 99% of murders and violent crime committed with guns is ignored as our current gun laws are not enforced and we refuse to actually address the cause of the violence.

If rifles disrupt the so called social order of things then what about fists and feet? After all more people are killed by other people using their hands and feet every year than by all rifles combined.

What about knives? If rifles disrupt the so called social order knives surely must as well because more people are killed with knives every year than by either fists and feet or all rifles combined

We can justify someone owning a handgun for personal protection. We can justify someone owning a hunting rifle with a scope or a target rifle

We cannot justify someone owning an assault rifle modified to shoot 600 rounds per minute

I'd like to see the modified magazine that holds 600 rounds

Who claimed there are?
Do you understand what rate of fire means?

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How many rounds are in this magazine?
How many six year olds or concert goers can you kill with it?

You tell me? You must have counted them right?

 

[MarkDuffy]

Mourning folks!

So we know now that Paddock sent the girlfriend away to the PI so she would not have blood on her hands. She definitely knows stuff.

 

[Pop23]

The Oklahoma City bomber modified a vehicle to kills many more than the Vegas ass.

Yet we see no calls to eliminate trucks?

Interesting.

wow. deep.

Wow, idiot.

be proud of your deep thought. no one ever has presented your line of "reasoning".

No? Really? So shut up and learn.

 

[Circe]

Bring back slavery, only rich landowners can vote, women back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant

I like the second item ---- democracy for a long time was founded on stakeholders (makers not takers) being the only ones with the vote. I think there should be a property or at least income requirement to vote; even the French Revolution had that. The current fad for letting more and more takers -- illegals, felons, welfare dependents, retarded, etc. vote for Dems has become a big problem. If people don't contribute positively to society they should not have the vote, IMO.

 

[Auld Phart]

you can say whatever you want you just can't force other people to listen or comply.

The fact is that the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners will never turn a weapon on another person and need no advice from the likes of you on the choices they make.

We the people get to decide our gun laws

If a weapon is found to be a threat to the social order it can be banned

Slaughtering people with a high rate of fire affects the social order

Less than 1% of all murders are committed during a mass shooting
Hardly any social order disruption at all.

Meanwhile the other 99% of murders and violent crime committed with guns is ignored as our current gun laws are not enforced and we refuse to actually address the cause of the violence.

If rifles disrupt the so called social order of things then what about fists and feet? After all more people are killed by other people using their hands and feet every year than by all rifles combined.

What about knives? If rifles disrupt the so called social order knives surely must as well because more people are killed with knives every year than by either fists and feet or all rifles combined

We can justify someone owning a handgun for personal protection. We can justify someone owning a hunting rifle with a scope or a target rifle

We cannot justify someone owning an assault rifle modified to shoot 600 rounds per minute

I'd like to see the modified magazine that holds 600 rounds

Who claimed there are?
Do you understand what rate of fire means?

probably better than you.

My Glock holds 15 rounds.

If I pull the trigger fast enough, the rate can be 600 rounds per minute.

But they don't make a magazine large enough to hold 600 rounds, so your 'rate of fire' claim is ridiculous.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Oh! So it's the capitalist oppressors' fault!

. Why don't you address the points made ?? You think anyone should be able to amass that kind of fire power undetected, and then have the kits shipped to them undetected in order to kill almost 60 Americans, and wound almost 600 ???

" You think anyone should be able to amass that kind of fire power undetected,"

Is it your business?

"then have the kits shipped to them undetected"

undetected?

again, is it your business?

"in order to kill almost 60 Americans, and wound almost 600"

I've ordered quite a bit from Cabelas, and other companies.

Don't remember anywhere on the order form what my intentions were in the use of the product.


hmm, if such a question were on the form, I wonder how many would state, "I want this product, so I can kill people in cold blood"

Yes

It is our business

When 30,000 lose their lives because of firearms....it is our business
When some monster has free access to a weapon that fires 500 rounds a minute and uses it to kill 59 and injure 500....it is our business

Under the militia correct ?

Research militia in the context of the day... hint it meant each man had his own gear, and was proficient in the use of his weapon; such that he could be called up at a moments notice. It’s not the “structured”, “overseen” entity you wish it were.

Why the title if not a structured entity that would be the very one to call up at a moment's notice the men who undoubtedly are on a list no ?

Because the founders were against a standing army. So the militias were locals who were mustered up as needed. Whether by the town crier, a news paper add or church bells. Each time the militia formed it might be composed of differing individuals depending on how quickly they were “drummed” up. Oh yeah I forgot to mention that they would parade through towns, with drummers, picking up willing free men as they went along. That’s where we get the phrase “drummed up”.

. This is being applied to today's environment, standards and issues ??? Had to chuckle a little bit... Sorry.

Yeah... as a nation we’ve strayed far from the path of the founders original intent...

You're right. I'm sure the founders never intended for the 2nd amd. to be co-opted by such lunatics and profiteers.

You people have turned it into a cult. It's a religion for you.

 

[MarkDuffy]

..... but there were multiple shooters and this has been confirmed by the Las Vegas police scanner audio.

That taxi driver with the long, long recording of shots going on for a long time was informative. No question but that shots sounded louder and softer, and she herself said they were coming from different areas, and then said it sounded like the tenth or so floor of the Mandalay. Lots of people said that, including a police officer calling it in first: middle of the Mandalay (32nd floor is way up). My husband sent me a video showing flashes coming from the 11th floor; maybe it was a hoax, but I'd like to see more on all that.

Two windows facing different directions and the taxi driver was right underneath, so one was closer facing taxi and the other window was not. Also weapon changes at the different windows.

I watched the taxi video also. It was interesting, but...

 

[Circe]

The reason of why came to me while listening to tonight's episode of Charlie Rose.

He was a frustrated advocate of gun control...

... and what better way to prove his point...

... than to do what he did?

It's barely possible. I don't think people are usually that complicated, or events. I'd like to see that ruled out, however.

 

[Circe]

That taxi driver with the long, long recording of shots going on for a long time was informative. No question but that shots sounded louder and softer, and she herself said they were coming from different areas, and then said it sounded like the tenth or so floor of the Mandalay. Lots of people said that, including a police officer calling it in first: middle of the Mandalay (32nd floor is way up). My husband sent me a video showing flashes coming from the 11th floor; maybe it was a hoax, but I'd like to see more on all that.

Two windows facing different directions and the taxi driver was right underneath, so one was closer facing taxi and the other window was not. Also weapon changes at the different windows.

I watched the taxi video also. It was interesting, but...

Yeah, good point. The further/closer thing could be that. Still leaves the mystery of the 10th or 11th floor thing up in the air.

 

[Lewdog]

Apparently Paddock's girlfriend has arrived in LA.

Marilou Danley: Stephen Paddock's girlfriend pictured arriving at LA airport in wheelchair

 

[Circe]

You all forget that trump barely crawled over the finish line in 2016. His mouth has made promises his ass cannot fill.

Trump won overwhelmingly and when you take away the votes of illegals [cut]

Prove millions of illegals voted, delusional dale....

California went 4 1/2 million votes for Hillary over Trump. Therefore California was wholly responsible for the popular vote plurality of 3 million. And it's obvious gazumpteen illegals (California is majority Hispanics, most illegals now) voted: I'd sure like to see illegal voting cleaned up. Or California secede off and go back to Mexico, as the people seem to want.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

OK I have to ask. Did this guy leave a note? (assume it authentic for now).

The Country is tearing apart over this. Why won't they tell us What is in the Note? Does it always have to take months and years? Other events are laid out day 1 in the media.

Tearing apart?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

This has been said a thousand times. It never ceases to be a dumb argument.

No dumber than you telling other people what they need or don't need

Make a case for it.
There is no need for a bump stock. It's either a dangerous toy or a murder weapon. Either way it doesn't need to exist.

I don't have to. Just like you don't have to make a case for cars being able to go 120 MPH.
It's nothing I have ever used but IDGAF if other people do.
FYI did you know that with a little practice you can bump fire a rifle without that little doodad?

But, but.....cars, trucks, planes!
None of which is a gun.

Stupid argument and apparently the only one you have.

So what?

They are all merely tools that people use.
A gun is a tool
A car is a tool
A hammer is a tool
A plane is a tool

Some more complex than others but they are all just things people use.

Again? Really?
None of those tools were used by Paddock.

 

[rightwinger]

We the people get to decide our gun laws

If a weapon is found to be a threat to the social order it can be banned

Slaughtering people with a high rate of fire affects the social order

Less than 1% of all murders are committed during a mass shooting
Hardly any social order disruption at all.

Meanwhile the other 99% of murders and violent crime committed with guns is ignored as our current gun laws are not enforced and we refuse to actually address the cause of the violence.

If rifles disrupt the so called social order of things then what about fists and feet? After all more people are killed by other people using their hands and feet every year than by all rifles combined.

What about knives? If rifles disrupt the so called social order knives surely must as well because more people are killed with knives every year than by either fists and feet or all rifles combined

We can justify someone owning a handgun for personal protection. We can justify someone owning a hunting rifle with a scope or a target rifle

We cannot justify someone owning an assault rifle modified to shoot 600 rounds per minute

I'd like to see the modified magazine that holds 600 rounds

Who claimed there are?
Do you understand what rate of fire means?

probably better than you.

My Glock holds 15 rounds.

If I pull the trigger fast enough, the rate can be 600 rounds per minute.

But they don't make a magazine large enough to hold 600 rounds, so your 'rate of fire' claim is ridiculous.

Why do conservatives struggle so much with math?

Rate of fire reflects how quickly rounds can leave a barrel
You can drive 60 mph without actually driving 60 miles

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yes it is

When I see 500 injured and 59 dead, I have a right to say

Enough is enough

you can say whatever you want you just can't force other people to listen or comply.

The fact is that the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners will never turn a weapon on another person and need no advice from the likes of you on the choices they make.

We the people get to decide our gun laws

If a weapon is found to be a threat to the social order it can be banned

Slaughtering people with a high rate of fire affects the social order

Less than 1% of all murders are committed during a mass shooting
Hardly any social order disruption at all.

Meanwhile the other 99% of murders and violent crime committed with guns is ignored as our current gun laws are not enforced and we refuse to actually address the cause of the violence.

If rifles disrupt the so called social order of things then what about fists and feet? After all more people are killed by other people using their hands and feet every year than by all rifles combined.

What about knives? If rifles disrupt the so called social order knives surely must as well because more people are killed with knives every year than by either fists and feet or all rifles combined

We can justify someone owning a handgun for personal protection. We can justify someone owning a hunting rifle with a scope or a target rifle

We cannot justify someone owning an assault rifle modified to shoot 600 rounds per minute

Which is why there are such rigid restrictions on automatic weapons.

There are none for cheap mods that emulate the illegal weapon.

 

[Lewdog]

Less than 1% of all murders are committed during a mass shooting
Hardly any social order disruption at all.

Meanwhile the other 99% of murders and violent crime committed with guns is ignored as our current gun laws are not enforced and we refuse to actually address the cause of the violence.

If rifles disrupt the so called social order of things then what about fists and feet? After all more people are killed by other people using their hands and feet every year than by all rifles combined.

What about knives? If rifles disrupt the so called social order knives surely must as well because more people are killed with knives every year than by either fists and feet or all rifles combined

We can justify someone owning a handgun for personal protection. We can justify someone owning a hunting rifle with a scope or a target rifle

We cannot justify someone owning an assault rifle modified to shoot 600 rounds per minute

I'd like to see the modified magazine that holds 600 rounds

Who claimed there are?
Do you understand what rate of fire means?

probably better than you.

My Glock holds 15 rounds.

If I pull the trigger fast enough, the rate can be 600 rounds per minute.

But they don't make a magazine large enough to hold 600 rounds, so your 'rate of fire' claim is ridiculous.

Why do conservatives struggle so much with math?

Rate of fire reflects how quickly rounds can leave a barrel
You can drive 60 mph without actually driving 60 miles

Shit I've been doing it wrong all these years. I determine how fast I drive by how far I have to go. 2 miles to the store? I drive 2 miles an hour. Man do other drivers get pissed!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

..... but there were multiple shooters and this has been confirmed by the Las Vegas police scanner audio.

That taxi driver with the long, long recording of shots going on for a long time was informative. No question but that shots sounded louder and softer, and she herself said they were coming from different areas, and then said it sounded like the tenth or so floor of the Mandalay. Lots of people said that, including a police officer calling it in first: middle of the Mandalay (32nd floor is way up). My husband sent me a video showing flashes coming from the 11th floor; maybe it was a hoax, but I'd like to see more on all that.

They're called echos.

 

[MarkDuffy]

. Why don't you address the points made ?? You think anyone should be able to amass that kind of fire power undetected, and then have the kits shipped to them undetected in order to kill almost 60 Americans, and wound almost 600 ???

" You think anyone should be able to amass that kind of fire power undetected,"

Is it your business?

"then have the kits shipped to them undetected"

undetected?

again, is it your business?

"in order to kill almost 60 Americans, and wound almost 600"

I've ordered quite a bit from Cabelas, and other companies.

Don't remember anywhere on the order form what my intentions were in the use of the product.


hmm, if such a question were on the form, I wonder how many would state, "I want this product, so I can kill people in cold blood"

Yes

It is our business

When 30,000 lose their lives because of firearms....it is our business
When some monster has free access to a weapon that fires 500 rounds a minute and uses it to kill 59 and injure 500....it is our business

Research militia in the context of the day... hint it meant each man had his own gear, and was proficient in the use of his weapon; such that he could be called up at a moments notice. It’s not the “structured”, “overseen” entity you wish it were.

Why the title if not a structured entity that would be the very one to call up at a moment's notice the men who undoubtedly are on a list no ?

Because the founders were against a standing army. So the militias were locals who were mustered up as needed. Whether by the town crier, a news paper add or church bells. Each time the militia formed it might be composed of differing individuals depending on how quickly they were “drummed” up. Oh yeah I forgot to mention that they would parade through towns, with drummers, picking up willing free men as they went along. That’s where we get the phrase “drummed up”.

. This is being applied to today's environment, standards and issues ??? Had to chuckle a little bit... Sorry.

Yeah... as a nation we’ve strayed far from the path of the founders original intent...

You're right. I'm sure the founders never intended for the 2nd amd. to be co-opted by such lunatics and profiteers.

You people have turned it into a cult. It's a religion for you.

Indeed. The gunnuts have turned the word militia into a single-man army arsenal. Our FFers could never imagine what today's technology would be like.