Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[beagle9]

I would question how he acquired what he did.

. You mean the weapons ?

 

[Ace Nova]

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

. Meh, their age sort of suggest the opposite on that note. Probably tied to money if anything, but why would he kill himself is the huge mystery ? Yes, I know the reality of what he had just done could have set in on him, and he might have killed himself on that note, but what led him to commit the act needs to be known eventually and hopefully it will be.

It has been presented...you must not be reading the posts presented in regards to why he probably became suicidal...the reason so many gamblers in vegas have killed themselves.....they lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle...they cannot adapt to that so they kill themselves. The difference in the paddock case was that he decided to exact revenge on vegas and the casinoes before he killed himself.

. Could be just that and nothing more, but it seems that could be determined somehow. His plan seems to have left athorities totally baffled, and that is interesting because it makes it appear that he was hiding alot more.

First of all the Vegas authorities did not want to admit that his gambling losses drove him to suicide and to take revenge on vegas....it is rather amazing to finally see the Sheriff come out and say that his motive was very likely due to his gambling losses....he did not say it directly or plainly but it was clear enough...paddock was a loser....though he convinced those around him he was a successful gambler...which of course is a oxymoron...no such thing as a successful gambler when you are playing in the casinoes....You might win now and then or hit a lucky streak now and then but if you play long enough you will lose everything...a mathamatical certainty...and paddock played for years...case closed. Nuff said.

. Him being a veteran loser/gambler defies all logic to the path he chose in the end.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and live a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

 

[depotoo]

You keep ignoring the facts in this case. Plain and simply.
True, gamblers can be addicted and lose their shirts.
, and commit suicide. Problem is he had no debt. He was not the typical addicted gambler. He did not play cards. He played slots.

Don’t know why you refuse to understand he was not your typical losing gambler. He wasn’t. He paid cash for his numerous properties, no mortgages, sent over a $100,000 cash to the Philippines, no liens on any properties, over $100 grand in weapons. He was not poor. Period.

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Las Vegas police officer fired shot in Mandalay Bay suite after mass shooting

. Could you summarize this for us.. What's your opinion of this in which you have posted?

Paddock was living a lie....his family and friends thought he was a 'successful gambler' even the media bought that narrative. In reality aka in the real world there is no such thing as a successful gambler if you play against the casinoes in vegas....they hire expert mathmaticians to fix all the games in their favor...one cannot beat those odds ...especially in the long term....and paddock had been playing for years....he finally reached the point where he had gambled away so much money (and he did have a lot to gamble away)...that even though he had a huge ego and was narcisstic he had to admit he was a loser....but he could not accept responsibility for being so stupid to gamble away his wealth...he had to blame someone else....(very common with gamblers)so he blamed the casinoes...and after deciding to comitt suicide he decided to exact revenge on vegas and the casinoes just before he killed himself.

. The extensive plan seems to debunk the simplicity of a gambler finally losing in his high stakes lifestyle. His losing as a gambler came with the territory, so his shock over losing in life shouldn't have drove him mad so much to the point of what had taken place. Hmm.

Gamblers have a disease aka an addiction...no matter how smart they are and paddock was very intelligent....they believe they are so good at what they do and so smart that they can beat the system....a gamblers illusion.

Now there are other things that contributed to his problem....very likely mental issues since he was the son of a psychopath and mental illness is known to run in families....plus he was on medication...in fact he abused a medication known to cause violence...valium...he had a doctor on retainer that gave him all the valium he wanted.

Also he had a huge ego and was narcisstic...which would make it very difficult for him to admit even to himself that he was in truth and reality a loser...he could not accept that....he had to blame someone else(this is well known about gamblers...they always blame someone else for their losses)so he blamed las vegas and the casinoes....I well remember riding in a cab to the airport and having to listen to a gambler cussing las vegas all they way to the airport because he had lost 20 grand which was a lot of money to him since he was just a working guy.....Paddock origninally had millions and no doubt lost hundreds of thousands of dollars...very likely even most of his money...the sheriff only said he had lost a significant amount of his original fortune....and that the wolf was at the door ...read his words. Anyhow it was enough to force paddock to realize his life would have to change...he could not accept that so he became suicidal and decided to exact revenge on vegas and the casinoes.

 

[Rambunctious]

THIS WHOLE THING STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN...

 

[depotoo]

You are looking for the obvious, rather than the truth.

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

It has been presented...you must not be reading the posts presented in regards to why he probably became suicidal...the reason so many gamblers in vegas have killed themselves.....they lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle...they cannot adapt to that so they kill themselves. The difference in the paddock case was that he decided to exact revenge on vegas and the casinoes before he killed himself.

. Could be just that and nothing more, but it seems that could be determined somehow. His plan seems to have left athorities totally baffled, and that is interesting because it makes it appear that he was hiding alot more.

First of all the Vegas authorities did not want to admit that his gambling losses drove him to suicide and to take revenge on vegas....it is rather amazing to finally see the Sheriff come out and say that his motive was very likely due to his gambling losses....he did not say it directly or plainly but it was clear enough...paddock was a loser....though he convinced those around him he was a successful gambler...which of course is a oxymoron...no such thing as a successful gambler when you are playing in the casinoes....You might win now and then or hit a lucky streak now and then but if you play long enough you will lose everything...a mathamatical certainty...and paddock played for years...case closed. Nuff said.

. Him being a veteran loser/gambler defies all logic to the path he chose in the end.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and live a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

 

[depotoo]

His cash.

I would question how he acquired what he did.

. You mean the weapons ?

 

[Ace Nova]

You are looking for the obvious, rather than the truth.

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

. Could be just that and nothing more, but it seems that could be determined somehow. His plan seems to have left athorities totally baffled, and that is interesting because it makes it appear that he was hiding alot more.

First of all the Vegas authorities did not want to admit that his gambling losses drove him to suicide and to take revenge on vegas....it is rather amazing to finally see the Sheriff come out and say that his motive was very likely due to his gambling losses....he did not say it directly or plainly but it was clear enough...paddock was a loser....though he convinced those around him he was a successful gambler...which of course is a oxymoron...no such thing as a successful gambler when you are playing in the casinoes....You might win now and then or hit a lucky streak now and then but if you play long enough you will lose everything...a mathamatical certainty...and paddock played for years...case closed. Nuff said.

. Him being a veteran loser/gambler defies all logic to the path he chose in the end.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and live a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

The truth isn't always some wild conspiracy. As a matter of fact, 99% of the time it's not a conspiracy...it's just the plain, boring, truth.

 

[Sundance508]

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

It has been presented...you must not be reading the posts presented in regards to why he probably became suicidal...the reason so many gamblers in vegas have killed themselves.....they lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle...they cannot adapt to that so they kill themselves. The difference in the paddock case was that he decided to exact revenge on vegas and the casinoes before he killed himself.

. Could be just that and nothing more, but it seems that could be determined somehow. His plan seems to have left athorities totally baffled, and that is interesting because it makes it appear that he was hiding alot more.

First of all the Vegas authorities did not want to admit that his gambling losses drove him to suicide and to take revenge on vegas....it is rather amazing to finally see the Sheriff come out and say that his motive was very likely due to his gambling losses....he did not say it directly or plainly but it was clear enough...paddock was a loser....though he convinced those around him he was a successful gambler...which of course is a oxymoron...no such thing as a successful gambler when you are playing in the casinoes....You might win now and then or hit a lucky streak now and then but if you play long enough you will lose everything...a mathamatical certainty...and paddock played for years...case closed. Nuff said.

. Him being a veteran loser/gambler defies all logic to the path he chose in the end.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and lived a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

Absolutely correct....it is well known in vegas that all it takes for some gamblers to kill themselves is to lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle(in some cases it is really not a lot of money..just depends on how much the gambler has)...that is something some cannot accept...it is so painful for them they decide to end it all by killing themselves. The only thing different about Paddock he decided to exact revenge....probably because of his mental and drug problems and the fact he was a gun collector....with a lot of guns at his disposal....he decided to go out in a blaze of glory(so he would not be forgotten) also knowing it would cost las vegas and the casinoes a lot of money...thus he would get revenge. Delusional? yes....insane? most likely.

There is a well known story often told in vegas....about a security guard summoned to talk to a gambler who was about to jump off a roof because of his gambling losses....the security guard axed the jumper how much money he had lost? The gambler said ten thousand dollars.....the security guard said...if you are that stupid go ahead and jump.

I am sure there are some on this board who have been to vegas and lost money...a very painful thing for most...it is just no fun to lose money...but most do not lose enough to force themselves to change their lifestyles...though it is common enough....to the point that Las Vegas leads the nation in suicides...though they cover that up pretty good.

 

[depotoo]

Sundance, you and Ace believe in your fantasy all you want. But realize it doesn’t mean it is the right one.

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

. Could be just that and nothing more, but it seems that could be determined somehow. His plan seems to have left athorities totally baffled, and that is interesting because it makes it appear that he was hiding alot more.

First of all the Vegas authorities did not want to admit that his gambling losses drove him to suicide and to take revenge on vegas....it is rather amazing to finally see the Sheriff come out and say that his motive was very likely due to his gambling losses....he did not say it directly or plainly but it was clear enough...paddock was a loser....though he convinced those around him he was a successful gambler...which of course is a oxymoron...no such thing as a successful gambler when you are playing in the casinoes....You might win now and then or hit a lucky streak now and then but if you play long enough you will lose everything...a mathamatical certainty...and paddock played for years...case closed. Nuff said.

. Him being a veteran loser/gambler defies all logic to the path he chose in the end.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and lived a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

Absolutely correct....it is well known in vegas that all it takes for some gamblers to kill themselves is to lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle(in some cases it is really not a lot of money..just depends on how much the gambler has)...that is something some cannot accept...it is so painful for them they decide to end it all by killing themselves. The only thing different about Paddock he decided to exact revenge....probably because of his mental and drug problems and the fact he was a gun collector....with a lot of guns at his disposal....he decided to go out in a blaze of glory(so he would not be forgotten) also knowing it would cost las vegas and the casinoes a lot of money...thus he would get revenge. Delusional? yes....insane? most likely.

There is a well known story often told in vegas....about a security guard summoned to talk to a gambler who was about to jump off a roof because of his gambling losses....the security guard axed the jumper how much money he had lost? The gambler said ten thousand dollars.....the security guard said...if you are that stupid go ahead and jump.

 

[Sundance508]

Sundance, you and Ace believe in your fantasy all you want. But realize it doesn’t mean it is the right one.

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

First of all the Vegas authorities did not want to admit that his gambling losses drove him to suicide and to take revenge on vegas....it is rather amazing to finally see the Sheriff come out and say that his motive was very likely due to his gambling losses....he did not say it directly or plainly but it was clear enough...paddock was a loser....though he convinced those around him he was a successful gambler...which of course is a oxymoron...no such thing as a successful gambler when you are playing in the casinoes....You might win now and then or hit a lucky streak now and then but if you play long enough you will lose everything...a mathamatical certainty...and paddock played for years...case closed. Nuff said.

. Him being a veteran loser/gambler defies all logic to the path he chose in the end.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and lived a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

Absolutely correct....it is well known in vegas that all it takes for some gamblers to kill themselves is to lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle(in some cases it is really not a lot of money..just depends on how much the gambler has)...that is something some cannot accept...it is so painful for them they decide to end it all by killing themselves. The only thing different about Paddock he decided to exact revenge....probably because of his mental and drug problems and the fact he was a gun collector....with a lot of guns at his disposal....he decided to go out in a blaze of glory(so he would not be forgotten) also knowing it would cost las vegas and the casinoes a lot of money...thus he would get revenge. Delusional? yes....insane? most likely.

There is a well known story often told in vegas....about a security guard summoned to talk to a gambler who was about to jump off a roof because of his gambling losses....the security guard axed the jumper how much money he had lost? The gambler said ten thousand dollars.....the security guard said...if you are that stupid go ahead and jump.

Look pal...I lived in vegas for years....i know how gamblers think....couple that with what the sheriff just said....destroys your claim of it being a fantasy.

 

[Ace Nova]

Sundance, you and Ace believe in your fantasy all you want. But realize it doesn’t mean it is the right one.

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

First of all the Vegas authorities did not want to admit that his gambling losses drove him to suicide and to take revenge on vegas....it is rather amazing to finally see the Sheriff come out and say that his motive was very likely due to his gambling losses....he did not say it directly or plainly but it was clear enough...paddock was a loser....though he convinced those around him he was a successful gambler...which of course is a oxymoron...no such thing as a successful gambler when you are playing in the casinoes....You might win now and then or hit a lucky streak now and then but if you play long enough you will lose everything...a mathamatical certainty...and paddock played for years...case closed. Nuff said.

. Him being a veteran loser/gambler defies all logic to the path he chose in the end.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and lived a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

Absolutely correct....it is well known in vegas that all it takes for some gamblers to kill themselves is to lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle(in some cases it is really not a lot of money..just depends on how much the gambler has)...that is something some cannot accept...it is so painful for them they decide to end it all by killing themselves. The only thing different about Paddock he decided to exact revenge....probably because of his mental and drug problems and the fact he was a gun collector....with a lot of guns at his disposal....he decided to go out in a blaze of glory(so he would not be forgotten) also knowing it would cost las vegas and the casinoes a lot of money...thus he would get revenge. Delusional? yes....insane? most likely.

There is a well known story often told in vegas....about a security guard summoned to talk to a gambler who was about to jump off a roof because of his gambling losses....the security guard axed the jumper how much money he had lost? The gambler said ten thousand dollars.....the security guard said...if you are that stupid go ahead and jump.

There's very little information about this case...and it's possible, as time goes by, more information will come out and there may be more to it than just this. But as of now, with what we have, this is as rational explanation as any.

 

[depotoo]

That’s the problem. You are trying to equate him as being the typical gambler that you saw fall from glory. He wasn’t.

Sundance, you and Ace believe in your fantasy all you want. But realize it doesn’t mean it is the right one.

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

. Him being a veteran loser/gambler defies all logic to the path he chose in the end.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and lived a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

Absolutely correct....it is well known in vegas that all it takes for some gamblers to kill themselves is to lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle(in some cases it is really not a lot of money..just depends on how much the gambler has)...that is something some cannot accept...it is so painful for them they decide to end it all by killing themselves. The only thing different about Paddock he decided to exact revenge....probably because of his mental and drug problems and the fact he was a gun collector....with a lot of guns at his disposal....he decided to go out in a blaze of glory(so he would not be forgotten) also knowing it would cost las vegas and the casinoes a lot of money...thus he would get revenge. Delusional? yes....insane? most likely.

There is a well known story often told in vegas....about a security guard summoned to talk to a gambler who was about to jump off a roof because of his gambling losses....the security guard axed the jumper how much money he had lost? The gambler said ten thousand dollars.....the security guard said...if you are that stupid go ahead and jump.

Look pal...I lived in vegas for years....i know how gamblers think....couple that with what the sheriff just said....destroys your claim of

 

[Sundance508]

You keep ignoring the facts in this case. Plain and simply.
True, gamblers can be addicted and lose their shirts.
, and commit suicide. Problem is he had no debt. He was not the typical addicted gambler. He did not play cards. He played slots.

Don’t know why you refuse to understand he was not your typical losing gambler. He wasn’t. He paid cash for his numerous properties, no mortgages, sent over a $100,000 cash to the Philippines, no lines on any properties, over $100 grand in weapons. He was not poor. Period.

Mandalay Bay says four armed officers were on the 32nd floor as the Las Vegas …

Las Vegas police officer fired shot in Mandalay Bay suite after mass shooting

. Could you summarize this for us.. What's your opinion of this in which you have posted?

Paddock was living a lie....his family and friends thought he was a 'successful gambler' even the media bought that narrative. In reality aka in the real world there is no such thing as a successful gambler if you play against the casinoes in vegas....they hire expert mathmaticians to fix all the games in their favor...one cannot beat those odds ...especially in the long term....and paddock had been playing for years....he finally reached the point where he had gambled away so much money (and he did have a lot to gamble away)...that even though he had a huge ego and was narcisstic he had to admit he was a loser....but he could not accept responsibility for being so stupid to gamble away his wealth...he had to blame someone else....(very common with gamblers)so he blamed the casinoes...and after deciding to comitt suicide he decided to exact revenge on vegas and the casinoes just before he killed himself.

. The extensive plan seems to debunk the simplicity of a gambler finally losing in his high stakes lifestyle. His losing as a gambler came with the territory, so his shock over losing in life shouldn't have drove him mad so much to the point of what had taken place. Hmm.

Gamblers have a disease aka an addiction...no matter how smart they are and paddock was very intelligent....they believe they are so good at what they do and so smart that they can beat the system....a gamblers illusion.

Now there are other things that contributed to his problem....very likely mental issues since he was the son of a psychopath and mental illness is known to run in families....plus he was on medication...in fact he abused a medication known to cause violence...valium...he had a doctor on retainer that gave him all the valium he wanted.

Also he had a huge ego and was narcisstic...which would make it very difficult for him to admit even to himself that he was in truth and reality a loser...he could not accept that....he had to blame someone else(this is well known about gamblers...they always blame someone else for their losses)so he blamed las vegas and the casinoes....I well remember riding in a cab to the airport and having to listen to a gambler cussing las vegas all they way to the airport because he had lost 20 grand which was a lot of money to him since he was just a working guy.....Paddock origninally had millions and no doubt lost hundreds of thousands of dollars...very likely even most of his money...the sheriff only said he had lost a significant amount of his original fortune....and that the wolf was at the door ...read his words. Anyhow it was enough to force paddock to realize his life would have to change...he could not accept that so he became suicidal and decided to exact revenge on vegas and the casinoes.

The authorities in vegas have yet to release a full financial accounting of paddock...exactly how much he had lost of his original fortune...how much he had left....but if you understand what the sheriff meant when he said...the wolf was at the door ...meaning at paddocks door then you will see what I mean...go back over what the sheriff said..you might get the drift then.

 

[depotoo]

Rational? Yes, if you ignore what you want to that is not rational within that equation.

Sundance, you and Ace believe in your fantasy all you want. But realize it doesn’t mean it is the right one.

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

. Him being a veteran loser/gambler defies all logic to the path he chose in the end.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and lived a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

Absolutely correct....it is well known in vegas that all it takes for some gamblers to kill themselves is to lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle(in some cases it is really not a lot of money..just depends on how much the gambler has)...that is something some cannot accept...it is so painful for them they decide to end it all by killing themselves. The only thing different about Paddock he decided to exact revenge....probably because of his mental and drug problems and the fact he was a gun collector....with a lot of guns at his disposal....he decided to go out in a blaze of glory(so he would not be forgotten) also knowing it would cost las vegas and the casinoes a lot of money...thus he would get revenge. Delusional? yes....insane? most likely.

There is a well known story often told in vegas....about a security guard summoned to talk to a gambler who was about to jump off a roof because of his gambling losses....the security guard axed the jumper how much money he had lost? The gambler said ten thousand dollars.....the security guard said...if you are that stupid go ahead and jump.

There's very little information about this case...and it's possible, as time goes by, more information will come out and it there may be more to it than just this. But as of now, with what we have, this is as a rational explanation as any.

 

[depotoo]

I have listened to the same sheriff you have. I do not come to the same conclusion you have. As I said, you can believe as you wish. It obviously makes you feel better. Have at it.
I choose not to, and have just as much right to think as I suspect. It is not a case wrapped up in a bow, as you will, as there are far too many things that sit outside the wrapping you have applied to it.

You keep ignoring the facts in this case. Plain and simply.
True, gamblers can be addicted and lose their shirts.
, and commit suicide. Problem is he had no debt. He was not the typical addicted gambler. He did not play cards. He played slots.

Don’t know why you refuse to understand he was not your typical losing gambler. He wasn’t. He paid cash for his numerous properties, no mortgages, sent over a $100,000 cash to the Philippines, no lines on any properties, over $100 grand in weapons. He was not poor. Period.

. Could you summarize this for us.. What's your opinion of this in which you have posted?

Paddock was living a lie....his family and friends thought he was a 'successful gambler' even the media bought that narrative. In reality aka in the real world there is no such thing as a successful gambler if you play against the casinoes in vegas....they hire expert mathmaticians to fix all the games in their favor...one cannot beat those odds ...especially in the long term....and paddock had been playing for years....he finally reached the point where he had gambled away so much money (and he did have a lot to gamble away)...that even though he had a huge ego and was narcisstic he had to admit he was a loser....but he could not accept responsibility for being so stupid to gamble away his wealth...he had to blame someone else....(very common with gamblers)so he blamed the casinoes...and after deciding to comitt suicide he decided to exact revenge on vegas and the casinoes just before he killed himself.

. The extensive plan seems to debunk the simplicity of a gambler finally losing in his high stakes lifestyle. His losing as a gambler came with the territory, so his shock over losing in life shouldn't have drove him mad so much to the point of what had taken place. Hmm.

Gamblers have a disease aka an addiction...no matter how smart they are and paddock was very intelligent....they believe they are so good at what they do and so smart that they can beat the system....a gamblers illusion.

Now there are other things that contributed to his problem....very likely mental issues since he was the son of a psychopath and mental illness is known to run in families....plus he was on medication...in fact he abused a medication known to cause violence...valium...he had a doctor on retainer that gave him all the valium he wanted.

Also he had a huge ego and was narcisstic...which would make it very difficult for him to admit even to himself that he was in truth and reality a loser...he could not accept that....he had to blame someone else(this is well known about gamblers...they always blame someone else for their losses)so he blamed las vegas and the casinoes....I well remember riding in a cab to the airport and having to listen to a gambler cussing las vegas all they way to the airport because he had lost 20 grand which was a lot of money to him since he was just a working guy.....Paddock origninally had millions and no doubt lost hundreds of thousands of dollars...very likely even most of his money...the sheriff only said he had lost a significant amount of his original fortune....and that the wolf was at the door ...read his words. Anyhow it was enough to force paddock to realize his life would have to change...he could not accept that so he became suicidal and decided to exact revenge on vegas and the casinoes.

The authorities in vegas have yet to release a full financial accounting of paddock...exactly how much he had lost of his original fortune...how much he had left....but if you understand what the sheriff meant when he said...the wolf was at the door ...meaning at paddocks door then you will see what I mean...go back over what the sheriff said..you might get the drift then.

 

[beagle9]

His cash.

I would question how he acquired what he did.

. You mean the weapons ?

. The better question is how did those poor souls at the end of his barrels come into play ? What drove an otherwise gambler (not a killer), to do what he did in the end ? Many theories, but none sticking to the wall.

 

[Sundance508]

Rational? Yes, if you ignore what you want to that is not rational within that equation.

Sundance, you and Ace believe in your fantasy all you want. But realize it doesn’t mean it is the right one.

And the fact he had no debt, numerous assets, as well as cash.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and lived a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

Absolutely correct....it is well known in vegas that all it takes for some gamblers to kill themselves is to lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle(in some cases it is really not a lot of money..just depends on how much the gambler has)...that is something some cannot accept...it is so painful for them they decide to end it all by killing themselves. The only thing different about Paddock he decided to exact revenge....probably because of his mental and drug problems and the fact he was a gun collector....with a lot of guns at his disposal....he decided to go out in a blaze of glory(so he would not be forgotten) also knowing it would cost las vegas and the casinoes a lot of money...thus he would get revenge. Delusional? yes....insane? most likely.

There is a well known story often told in vegas....about a security guard summoned to talk to a gambler who was about to jump off a roof because of his gambling losses....the security guard axed the jumper how much money he had lost? The gambler said ten thousand dollars.....the security guard said...if you are that stupid go ahead and jump.

There's very little information about this case...and it's possible, as time goes by, more information will come out and it there may be more to it than just this. But as of now, with what we have, this is as a rational explanation as any.

I am sure the Sheriff will release more information gradually....it is amazing acutally for a sheriff in vegas to admit as much as he already has. Vegas is very corrupt...as in the hotel casinoe owners own the politicians and the sheriff....so for him to come out and admit that paddocks gambling losses may have influenced him to do what he did is a huge leap for them....but he did it in subdued manner...and many will miss exactly what he meant...but there is a lot of heat being put on vegas and some of the conspiracy theories coming out are making vegas look even worse than the actual truth about paddocks gambling losses being the driving force aka his motive...so it is likely the big boys in vegas have decided to come clean and let the info about paddock come out gradually in hopes it will not stampede people into demanding the government step in and do something about the gambling industry...ake enact laws that would cut into the big boys pockets.

One thing for absolutely certain is that the casinoes know exactly how much paddock was worth...how much he had lost gambling etc. they have computer records on all that and they could bring it all up at the touch of a button and then release it to the authorities or the public for that matter...i am sure the authorities out there already have all the details....the fact it is not being released to the public means they are still engaged in a cover up....trying to protect the image of vegas as being an entertainment center..not a gambling operation. They certainly do not want it known by the masses that they lead the nation in suicides or just how destructive gambling is to society...thus their cover up.

 

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I think those may be entwined.

His cash.

I would question how he acquired what he did.

. You mean the weapons ?

. The better question is how did those poor souls at the end of his barrels come into play ? What drove an otherwise gambler (not a killer), to do what he did in the end ? Many theories, but none sticking to the wall.

 

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And that, my friend, is the easy thing to speculate, but does not always envelope the truth. The sheriff also speculated he had planned to escape.

Rational? Yes, if you ignore what you want to that is not rational within that equation.

Sundance, you and Ace believe in your fantasy all you want. But realize it doesn’t mean it is the right one.

Just because he wasn't "dead broke" yet doesn't mean he wasn't "broke" by his standards. This guy was a multi-millionare, living the high roller life (or at least in his mind he was). So he may have been down to his last $500k or even a million or so...he knew he would no longer be able to live the life he was living. He would have needed to quit gambling and lived a modest/normal life style...which would have gone against the image he had for himself.

Absolutely correct....it is well known in vegas that all it takes for some gamblers to kill themselves is to lose enough money to force them to change their lifestyle(in some cases it is really not a lot of money..just depends on how much the gambler has)...that is something some cannot accept...it is so painful for them they decide to end it all by killing themselves. The only thing different about Paddock he decided to exact revenge....probably because of his mental and drug problems and the fact he was a gun collector....with a lot of guns at his disposal....he decided to go out in a blaze of glory(so he would not be forgotten) also knowing it would cost las vegas and the casinoes a lot of money...thus he would get revenge. Delusional? yes....insane? most likely.

There is a well known story often told in vegas....about a security guard summoned to talk to a gambler who was about to jump off a roof because of his gambling losses....the security guard axed the jumper how much money he had lost? The gambler said ten thousand dollars.....the security guard said...if you are that stupid go ahead and jump.

There's very little information about this case...and it's possible, as time goes by, more information will come out and it there may be more to it than just this. But as of now, with what we have, this is as a rational explanation as any.

I am sure the Sheriff will release more information gradually....it is amazing acutally for a sheriff in vegas to admit as much as he already has. Vegas is very corrupt...as in the hotel casinoe owners own the politicians and the sheriff....so for him to come out and admit that paddocks gambling losses may have influenced him to do what he did is a huge leap for them....but he did it in subdued manner...and many will miss exactly what he meant...but there is alot of heat being put on vegas and some of the conspiracy theories coming out are making vegas look even worse thant the actual truth about paddocks gambling losses being the driving force aka his motive...so it is likely the big boys in vegas have decided to come clean and let the info about paddock come out gradually in hopes it will not stampede people into demanding the government step in and do something about the gambling industry...ake enact laws that would cut into the big boys pockets.

 

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Las Vegas casino records suggest that Stephen Paddock could actually have won tens of thousands of dollars in the weeks before he fired hundreds of rifle shots from a 32nd story hotel window at a throng of country music fans below, a casino executive and a federal law enforcement official said Monday.

But he also could have suffered big losses during the same period. That’s one reason that the FBI was still stumped late Monday on what led him to sneak an arsenal of rifles and ammo into his Mandalay Bay hotel room and unleash a murderous barrage of gunfire Sunday night, killing at least 59 people and wounding 527 more before taking his own life.


Read more here: Vegas gunman described as ‘high-stakes’ gambler

Note how that speculation of loss is not backed up by the casino records, or it would have been stated as such.