Leader Wanted

[OldLady]

There is no question in my mind that Donald J. Trump is a deplorable human being, I do not think his personality or character are suitable for someone who holds any political office, let alone the POTUS. BUT - all that is water under the bridge, the man was elected and IS the POTUS and that's it, end of story. Now maybe information and credible evidence surfaces at some point that is cause enough for impeachment, but so far there's nothing close to that at least that we know of. Therefore, it is past time for everyone to simmer down and lower the vitriolic temperature below the point where the more impressionable among us are incited to violence.

I cannot dispute what Carper said, I think it's all true. BUT - we've still got a country to run and problems to address and we better get to it. It doesn't matter if the man in the oval office is a total jerk, our problems are still the same and IMHO we need to stop obsessing about him and focus instead on creating a better future for all of us.

He's a little hard to ignore, sitting there in 1600 Pennsylvania. I know I started this thread, but I do agree with you. Trump never made it secret what he was like and he was elected. So it is up to us to cope with it. I think it's ridiculous that there are people protesting in the streets today demanding his impeachment. For what? Being an asshole?
I wasn't actually trying to be vitriolic, here, though--maybe Shitlord was a little over the top, I'll admit.

Gee, ya think?

Oh, are we going to pout over not nice words this morning? Will you go back through this thread, please, and share your offendedness with the so-called conservatives who have been using off color language as well?

 

[OldLady]

Sen. Tom Carper (D Delaware) was on Meet The Press this morning and he remarked on President Trump in a way that really rang true and covered most of what people seem to be bellyaching about:

"The most important ingredient in the success of any organization, large or small--state, government, business, school--is always leadership. I've been trained as a leader since I was a 12 year old boyscout, ()cadet, midshipman, naval flight officer for 23 years.

One of the things they taught us early on in the Navy is treat other people the way you want to be treated. They taught us that leaders don't build themselves up by pushing other people down. Leaders surround themselves with the best people they can find, and when they do well, you give them the credit. Everything I was trained on as a leader, this man is none of those things. Is none of those things. I look at it and I shake my head.

It's got to be harder for him to recruit people to come and work for him. They're having a terrible time filling positions. I was told by John Verasso (Senator from Wyoming) that they are just not getting names. Six hundred positions and they've got what--108 names? ..."


He put in a nutshell what's wrong, at heart, with this President.

That's beside the fact that our President just put out a doctored video showing him beating up a guy whose face was replaced with the CNN logo, showing his adolescent and perfectly happy with violence frame of mind. Rolling on the floor of the WWE stage in his suit and extra long tie. Nice touch. A few days ago, he put out a string of his mean girls tweets about the Morning Joe folks in language that was escalated, even for him. That is still just annoying noise from the Orange Shitlord, though. The real problem is what Carper said, and what won't be easily laughed off.

Is it impeachable? No. But it's why he's not getting healthcare passed, isn't going to get his Wall funded and won't be invited back in 2020.

Another aspect of leadership one picks up in the military is not to waste time on lost causes.

I agree with that. This was more a comment thread than an argument thread. Carper is dead on, but other than that, there isn't much to say, except it is what it is.

 

[Iceweasel]

He should look here on USMB for people to fill positions if he just wants yes men. There's probably a hundred Trump sycophants here praising him 24/7.

That's because your pea brain interprets every that isn't hypercritical as Trump praise. The truly smart people are rocking in a corner chanting Trump hate in their padded cells.

 

[OldLady]

...............He put in a nutshell what's wrong, at heart, with this President............

How on earth do they do that? Good tantrum. Must have been directed by a pre-K teacher. LOL

 

[jon_berzerk]

Sen. Tom Carper (D Delaware) was on Meet The Press this morning and he remarked on President Trump in a way that really rang true and covered most of what people seem to be bellyaching about:

"The most important ingredient in the success of any organization, large or small--state, government, business, school--is always leadership. I've been trained as a leader since I was a 12 year old boyscout, ()cadet, midshipman, naval flight officer for 23 years.

One of the things they taught us early on in the Navy is treat other people the way you want to be treated. They taught us that leaders don't build themselves up by pushing other people down. Leaders surround themselves with the best people they can find, and when they do well, you give them the credit. Everything I was trained on as a leader, this man is none of those things. Is none of those things. I look at it and I shake my head.

It's got to be harder for him to recruit people to come and work for him. They're having a terrible time filling positions. I was told by John Verasso (Senator from Wyoming) that they are just not getting names. Six hundred positions and they've got what--108 names? ..."


He put in a nutshell what's wrong, at heart, with this President.

That's beside the fact that our President just put out a doctored video showing him beating up a guy whose face was replaced with the CNN logo, showing his adolescent and perfectly happy with violence frame of mind. Rolling on the floor of the WWE stage in his suit and extra long tie. Nice touch. A few days ago, he put out a string of his mean girls tweets about the Morning Joe folks in language that was escalated, even for him. That is still just annoying noise from the Orange Shitlord, though. The real problem is what Carper said, and what won't be easily laughed off.

Is it impeachable? No. But it's why he's not getting healthcare passed, isn't going to get his Wall funded and won't be invited back in 2020.

--LOL

the kettle calling the pot black

--LOL

 

[Crixus]

Sen. Tom Carper (D Delaware) was on Meet The Press this morning and he remarked on President Trump in a way that really rang true and covered most of what people seem to be bellyaching about:

"The most important ingredient in the success of any organization, large or small--state, government, business, school--is always leadership. I've been trained as a leader since I was a 12 year old boyscout, ()cadet, midshipman, naval flight officer for 23 years.

One of the things they taught us early on in the Navy is treat other people the way you want to be treated. They taught us that leaders don't build themselves up by pushing other people down. Leaders surround themselves with the best people they can find, and when they do well, you give them the credit. Everything I was trained on as a leader, this man is none of those things. Is none of those things. I look at it and I shake my head.

It's got to be harder for him to recruit people to come and work for him. They're having a terrible time filling positions. I was told by John Verasso (Senator from Wyoming) that they are just not getting names. Six hundred positions and they've got what--108 names? ..."


He put in a nutshell what's wrong, at heart, with this President.

That's beside the fact that our President just put out a doctored video showing him beating up a guy whose face was replaced with the CNN logo, showing his adolescent and perfectly happy with violence frame of mind. Rolling on the floor of the WWE stage in his suit and extra long tie. Nice touch. A few days ago, he put out a string of his mean girls tweets about the Morning Joe folks in language that was escalated, even for him. That is still just annoying noise from the Orange Shitlord, though. The real problem is what Carper said, and what won't be easily laughed off.

Is it impeachable? No. But it's why he's not getting healthcare passed, isn't going to get his Wall funded and won't be invited back in 2020.

Another aspect of leadership one picks up in the military is not to waste time on lost causes.

I agree with that. This was more a comment thread than an argument thread. Carper is dead on, but other than that, there isn't much to say, except it is what it is.

Not arguing at all. Just pointing out that not all a leader is overseeing is happy and smoothe. Not all will Jennifer from any decision one makes, not all will prosper. And any leader who can't be challenged on anything ain't a leader. And I can point to one guy who has a good deal of experience being a leader who figures it would be one way, but found out it's a whole new ball of wax.

 

[Crixus]

Oh, and leaders have to eat shit and do things that will really suck. Take that destroyer that collided with that cargo ship awhile back. Remember those seven sailors that were missing then declared dead? Its highly likely the capitan of that ship killed them with a decision he made.

 

[TNHarley]

Lol i won't disagree.
Who was the last real leader we had? Who was the last leader that cared about WE the people?

Well, that wasn't really what I was getting at. Who knows if even Washington cared about the small farmers in the south and the mill workers in New Hampshire and all that.

I've always tried to live by the first one--treat others as you would want to be treated. That's the Golden Rule, so I didn't need to go in the Navy to learn it. It does make a good boss (leader) and so does giving credit where credit is due and not building yourself up by pushing another man down. That doesn't necessarily make anyone a "pushover" either. But there's push back and there's push back. And as President, how far are you actually going to "push" him, anyway? He's at the top already. So why bother with pesky flies?

What i was saying was, there are alot more characteristics that make up a "leader"
What some people didnt lack in trumps areas, they lacked in others. Same with Trump.
Obama, for instance, was willing to bend over and be a fucking coward. Thats not a leader.
Bush didnt care about us. You cant be a leader if you dont care
Clinton was selfish. You cant be a leader and be selfish.
I can go on and on.

 

[mudwhistle]

What a disgrace for the orange liar, he boasts about being 'a business man' yet nobody wants to work with or for him except all the relatives of his and the Republicans. His children are bugwits wholly unfit for the positions he installed them in, and the bugwit children of Republicans like Suckabee are just placeholders that have been given the job of speaking for the orange-faced Otis from Mayberry.

A gigantic cluster-porn of perverts and ignorants.

Weird..and contradictory. **...you say nobody wants to work with him, or for him, and then you point out that a shitload of people want to work with, or for him.

 

[OldLady]

Lol i won't disagree.
Who was the last real leader we had? Who was the last leader that cared about WE the people?

Well, that wasn't really what I was getting at. Who knows if even Washington cared about the small farmers in the south and the mill workers in New Hampshire and all that.

I've always tried to live by the first one--treat others as you would want to be treated. That's the Golden Rule, so I didn't need to go in the Navy to learn it. It does make a good boss (leader) and so does giving credit where credit is due and not building yourself up by pushing another man down. That doesn't necessarily make anyone a "pushover" either. But there's push back and there's push back. And as President, how far are you actually going to "push" him, anyway? He's at the top already. So why bother with pesky flies?

What i was saying was, there are alot more characteristics that make up a "leader"
What some people didnt lack in trumps areas, they lacked in others. Same with Trump.
Obama, for instance, was willing to bend over and be a fucking coward. Thats not a leader.
Bush didnt care about us. You cant be a leader if you dont care
Clinton was selfish. You cant be a leader and be selfish.
I can go on and on.

Fair enough.
I don't necessarily agree, but it is true there are other characteristics that make up a good leader. Can you name some that don't in the end depend on basic fairness? That overcome that lack?

 

[Bonzi]

Show me the money

Hey, Bonzi! Where in hell you been, sister?
Nice to see you, anyway.

Thanks! Super busy and taking a break....I value what's left of my sanity!!

 

[IsaacNewton]

What a disgrace for the orange liar, he boasts about being 'a business man' yet nobody wants to work with or for him except all the relatives of his and the Republicans. His children are bugwits wholly unfit for the positions he installed them in, and the bugwit children of Republicans like Suckabee are just placeholders that have been given the job of speaking for the orange-faced Otis from Mayberry.

A gigantic cluster-porn of perverts and ignorants.

Weird..and contradictory. **...you say nobody wants to work with him, or for him, and then you point out that a shitload of people want to work with, or for him.

That isn't what I said but all you have is spin so twirl that fidget Stuttering Stanley.

 

[mudwhistle]

What a disgrace for the orange liar, he boasts about being 'a business man' yet nobody wants to work with or for him except all the relatives of his and the Republicans. His children are bugwits wholly unfit for the positions he installed them in, and the bugwit children of Republicans like Suckabee are just placeholders that have been given the job of speaking for the orange-faced Otis from Mayberry.

A gigantic cluster-porn of perverts and ignorants.

Weird..and contradictory. **...you say nobody wants to work with him, or for him, and then you point out that a shitload of people want to work with, or for him.

That isn't what I said but all you have is spin so twirl that fidget Stuttering Stanley.

No.....I just pointed out that your post was a contradiction....like..."nobody wants to work with him....eccept half of Congress and just about every Republican that isn't an establishment fuckwad."