Leaked Autopsy Report Reveals Freddie Gray’s Cause Of Death

[EverCurious]

I would suspect they would only call the passenger to court if the story he told the investigators matches what he told the media, else his credibility is shot and he's mostly useless to put on the stand... Although, it's Mosley, she'd prob. throw him up there for sympathy even if he lied through his teeth to the media. However, that won't change the testimony he gave the detectives...

That said, nothing in the provided link says Gray was thrashing around and "shaking the van"... The passenger said Gray was banging [I'd heard "what he thought was his head"] against the side of the van. It was originally stated that the passenger stated Gray was trying to hurt himself - but the passenger later said he never said that. That bit might be "opinion" and irrelevant in the long term.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Link?

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

Prisoner in van heard banging against walls. - The Washington Post

Yeah, that's the partial police report that the Baltimore PD leaked.

Only problem is, the other prisoner himself has said it's complete bullshit.

after the mob got to him

we have seen that several times

in these sort of cases

all the evidence will come out

I agree, we will see. But I wouldn't count on it working out the way you hope.

unlike you i am not hoping anything

other then a fair legal system

for the accused

What about a "fair legal system" for the dead kid?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I would suspect they would only call the passenger to court if the story he told the investigators matches what he told the media, else his credibility is shot and he's mostly useless to put on the stand... Although, it's Mosley, she'd prob. throw him up there for sympathy even if he lied through his teeth to the media. However, that won't change the testimony he gave the detectives...

That said, nothing in the provided link says Gray was thrashing around and "shaking the van"... The passenger said Gray was banging [I'd heard "what he thought was his head"] against the side of the van. It was originally stated that the passenger stated Gray was trying to hurt himself - but the passenger later said he never said that. That bit might be "opinion" and irrelevant in the long term.

If the defense tries to use a "he did it to himself" defense, they'd have to call him.

 

[jon_berzerk]

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

Prisoner in van heard banging against walls. - The Washington Post

Yeah, that's the partial police report that the Baltimore PD leaked.

Only problem is, the other prisoner himself has said it's complete bullshit.

after the mob got to him

we have seen that several times

in these sort of cases

all the evidence will come out

I agree, we will see. But I wouldn't count on it working out the way you hope.

unlike you i am not hoping anything

other then a fair legal system

for the accused

What about a "fair legal system" for the dead kid?

what kid

 

[EverCurious]

I would suspect they would only call the passenger to court if the story he told the investigators matches what he told the media, else his credibility is shot and he's mostly useless to put on the stand... Although, it's Mosley, she'd prob. throw him up there for sympathy even if he lied through his teeth to the media. However, that won't change the testimony he gave the detectives...

That said, nothing in the provided link says Gray was thrashing around and "shaking the van"... The passenger said Gray was banging [I'd heard "what he thought was his head"] against the side of the van. It was originally stated that the passenger stated Gray was trying to hurt himself - but the passenger later said he never said that. That bit might be "opinion" and irrelevant in the long term.

If the defense tries to use a "he did it to himself" defense, they'd have to call him.

Not necessarily, they've got the original witness statement he provided the investigator. If the passenger is going to claim that's not true after the fact, then a) he /is/ lying now, or b) he /was/ lying then, either way that's a useless witness in court. Mosley would call him based on the "media" story because it refutes the police officer defense claim that Gray was thrashing around in the back of the van. Thing is the passenger is not the only "witness" to that, it's in the police reports that Gray was thrashing around and they had put him in leg irons because of it. When you put together that, plus the witnesses 'original' statement (even if it just states that Gray was banging the sides of the van) then the probability in the reasonable mind is that yes, Gray was indeed thrashing around in the back of the van and therefore /could/ have been intended to injure himself.

Proving that he was /is/ a different matter of course, but if the passenger /did/ actually state that it seemed like Gray was trying to hurt himself, even if he now recants that statement, then it becomes a lot easier to say "Gray did it to himself." Especially if it turns out that Gray was standing up and bent over like the initial coroner report said, because it's not "safe" to stand up in a moving van, especially if the driver is trying to give you a "rough ride" - and further, the only reason he wasn't still laying on his stomach in cuffs and leg shackles is because he pretty much asked the officers to help him sit up so he could breath.

Of course, then there's the issue that the first coroner report claims his head impacted a bolt on the rear door, the latest claims he hit his head due to a quick deceleration. Which is it? Or are we going to presume that /both/ are true? I suppose if we take both as true then that might be an argument for a rough ride, though the passenger doesn't agree with that, he said he ride was uneventful...

(EDIT though that does likely narrow down the time of the lethal injury to between the stop where they helped him sit up and the time the loaded the passenger - perhaps there's some information about what happened between those stops.)

 

[EverCurious]

Actually... upon review of Mosley's supposed case - Baltimore Freddie Gray Charges Transcript of Marilyn Mosby Statement

She'd be a fool to call the witness as it directly refutes her "evidence" for a medical denial claim. We forget the media is the one pushing the rough ride thing, not Mosley... This is Mosley's argument as best we know:

"Several blocks later, Officer Goodson called into dispatch that he needed to check on the status of his prisoner and requested additional units at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue. Officer William Porter arrived on the scene at Dolphin Street and Druid HIll Avenue. Both Officer Goodson and porter proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status of Mr. Gray’s condition. Mr. Gray at that time requested help and indicated that he could not breathe. Officer Porter asked Mr. Gray if he needed a medic at which time Mr. Gray indicated at least twice that he was in need of a medic. Officer Porter then physically assisted Mr. Gray from the floor of the van to the bench however despite Mr. Gray’s appeal for a medic, both officers assessed Mr. Gray’s condition and at no point did either of them restrain Mr. Gray per BPD general order nor did they render or request medical assistance.

Officer Goodson arrived at North Avenue to transport the individual arrested at the location of North Avenue and Pennsylvania Avenue at which time he was again met by Officer Nero, Miller and Porter. Once the wagon arrived, Officer Goodson walked to the back of the wagon and again opened the doors to the wagon to make observations of Mr. Gray.

Sgt. Alicia White, Officer Porter and Officer Goodson observed Mr. Gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon. Sgt. White who is responsible for investigating two citizen complaints pertaining to Mr. Gray’s illegal arrest spoke to the back of Mr. Gray’s head. When he did not respond, she did nothing further despite the fact that she was advised that he needed a medic. She made no effort to look or assess or determine his condition.

Despite Mr. Gray’s seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered or summoned for Mr. Gray at that time by any officer.

After completing the North Avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the opposite side of the wagon containing Mr. Gray, Officer Goodson then proceeded to the Western District Station where contrary to the BPD general order, he again failed to restrain Mr. Gray in the wagon for at least the fifth time.

At the Western District Police Station the defendant arrested at North Avenue was unloaded, escorted and secured inside of the police station prior to attending to Mr. Gray."

~ The second suspect hearing Gray banging around during the ride to the station is damaging to her argument that Gray was unresponsive on the floor of the van and in clear medical distress just prior to the second suspect being loaded in.

 

[SAYIT]

This isn't news, we've basically known this since a day or so after the incident.

He was "humbled" to death. Whether or not the cops will be convicted remains to be seen.

If they are it's a travesty and Mosby will NEVER get second degree murder

She's probably got a pretty good case for second-degree murder, actually.

She just has to show that the cops were intentionally giving him a rough ride (which is almost certainly the case).

Nope. For one...5 cops werent in the van or driving. They will walk. Completely.

The driver is the only one left. Unless he does a Colonel Jessup and outright admits he slammed breaks on purpose...no chance. Hell...he can say a dog ran in front of him. No proof otherwise.

The ONLY thing they can try is going after them for the seatbelt...which wasnt policy until days before. And considering Baltimore PD in the past...oh...10 years has transported a million prisoners unseat belted...and none died....theres absolutely no reason they should've expected this.

Freddy Grey had weak bones from lead poisoning and prior injuries. He stood up in a moving vehicle. And fell. Tragic. But not criminal.

Hell...I could be the defense and win this case. The Baltimore police union lawyer will sleepwalk his way to a victory.

The Baltimore PD has paid out hundreds of millions of dollars in civil suits due to injuries suffered during "rough rides". It's not exactly a secret, and I don't imagine it will be that hard to convince a jury that the same thing happened again.

Yanno, I know you are knowledgeable enough to know that the trial judgments that totaled "hunderds of millions of dollars" were reduced to dimes on the dollar. So the question is ... why would you intentionally LIE? What are you trying to accomplish here?

Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun

 

[EverCurious]

Ah I have actually found the "Shaking the van" report, was from the initial autopsy - Freddie Gray Autopsy Revealed An Accident Changed To Homicide By The Absence of a Seatbelt The Last Refuge

~ Either way, the second suspect hearing Gray banging on the van after he was loaded in is a bit damaging to Mosley's case (as presented by the media anyway)

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

Prisoner in van heard banging against walls. - The Washington Post

Yeah, that's the partial police report that the Baltimore PD leaked.

Only problem is, the other prisoner himself has said it's complete bullshit.

after the mob got to him

we have seen that several times

in these sort of cases

all the evidence will come out

I agree, we will see. But I wouldn't count on it working out the way you hope.

unlike you i am not hoping anything

other then a fair legal system

for the accused

What about a "fair legal system" for the dead kid?

Not kid, feral savage!

 

[bucs90]

Ah I have actually found the "Shaking the van" report, was from the initial autopsy - Freddie Gray Autopsy Revealed An Accident Changed To Homicide By The Absence of a Seatbelt The Last Refuge

~ Either way, the second suspect hearing Gray banging on the van after he was loaded in is a bit damaging to Mosley's case (as presented by the media anyway)

And thats the whole case.

Is it murder...for not putting a seat belt on? Absolutely not.

 

[Slyhunter]

Ah I have actually found the "Shaking the van" report, was from the initial autopsy - Freddie Gray Autopsy Revealed An Accident Changed To Homicide By The Absence of a Seatbelt The Last Refuge

~ Either way, the second suspect hearing Gray banging on the van after he was loaded in is a bit damaging to Mosley's case (as presented by the media anyway)

And thats the whole case.

Is it murder...for not putting a seat belt on? Absolutely not.

negligence homicide. Yes it is.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Found a link.

“I am Donta Allen. I am the one who was in the van with Freddie Gray,” he said. “All I did was go straight to the station, but I heard a little banging like he was banging his head.”

A "little banging" translates to "shaking the van" in your head?

Ke

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

Prisoner in van heard banging against walls. - The Washington Post

Yeah, that's the partial police report that the Baltimore PD leaked.

Only problem is, the other prisoner himself has said it's complete bullshit.

after the mob got to him

we have seen that several times

in these sort of cases

all the evidence will come out

I agree, we will see. But I wouldn't count on it working out the way you hope.

unlike you i am not hoping anything

other then a fair legal system

for the accused

What about a "fair legal system" for the dead kid?

Kid? 25 isn't a kid. Good grief, your agenda is so obvious

 

[dannyboys]

If they are it's a travesty and Mosby will NEVER get second degree murder

She's probably got a pretty good case for second-degree murder, actually.

She just has to show that the cops were intentionally giving him a rough ride (which is almost certainly the case).

Nope. For one...5 cops werent in the van or driving. They will walk. Completely.

The driver is the only one left. Unless he does a Colonel Jessup and outright admits he slammed breaks on purpose...no chance. Hell...he can say a dog ran in front of him. No proof otherwise.

The ONLY thing they can try is going after them for the seatbelt...which wasnt policy until days before. And considering Baltimore PD in the past...oh...10 years has transported a million prisoners unseat belted...and none died....theres absolutely no reason they should've expected this.

Freddy Grey had weak bones from lead poisoning and prior injuries. He stood up in a moving vehicle. And fell. Tragic. But not criminal.

Hell...I could be the defense and win this case. The Baltimore police union lawyer will sleepwalk his way to a victory.

The Baltimore PD has paid out hundreds of millions of dollars in civil suits due to injuries suffered during "rough rides". It's not exactly a secret, and I don't imagine it will be that hard to convince a jury that the same thing happened again.

Im sure they have. Because injuries in a car driving incident are a civil matter. Not criminal.

When the injuries are intentional, in an attempt to humble the "suspect", then it certainly is a criminal matter.

You really are stupid.
The vehicle had a 'black box/GPS installed in it four years prior. This 'Black box' was fully functioning when Freddie The Freeloader Drug Dealer/Habitual Criminal went for his last ride. The Black box records every movement of the vehicle. The 'rough-ride' bullshit is a fucking myth. The reason Black-boxes are in police transport vehicles is to PREVENT FUCKING LAWSUITS!!! The driver KNEW the Black box was installed and in working order. Think that through if you're sentient enough.
FTFL stood up when the vehicle was moving. The little faggot was trying to cause himself an injury so he could con the system and file a phony lawsuit.

 

[tigerred59]

If this is true there goes murder charges right out the window. Yet another blows up in their faces

Leaked Autopsy Report Reveals Freddie Gray’s Official Cause of Death

Freddie Gray, the man who died earlier this year while in custody of Baltimore police, suffered a single “high-energy injury,” according to a leaked autopsy report obtained by the Baltimore Sun.

Gray’s mysterious death in police custody ignited riots in Baltimore and protests around the nation in late-April. Protesters suspect his death was the result of police abuse and authorities filed criminal charges against six Baltimore officers, including a second-degree murder charge against one.

According to the leaked autopsy report, the injury suffered by Gray was most likely caused when the van police were transporting him in suddenly decelerated, the Baltimore Sun reported.

Gray was not belted in the van, but was only shackled by officers and thus was “at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van,” the report said.

Leaked Autopsy Report Reveals Freddie Gray s Official Cause of Death Report TheBlaze.com

A van driven by a bunch of black motherf**** who like most sell out blue ni**** in this country, could give a rats fu*** about their own. I hope the black btch and who ever else was with her, burn in hell!!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

She's probably got a pretty good case for second-degree murder, actually.

She just has to show that the cops were intentionally giving him a rough ride (which is almost certainly the case).

Nope. For one...5 cops werent in the van or driving. They will walk. Completely.

The driver is the only one left. Unless he does a Colonel Jessup and outright admits he slammed breaks on purpose...no chance. Hell...he can say a dog ran in front of him. No proof otherwise.

The ONLY thing they can try is going after them for the seatbelt...which wasnt policy until days before. And considering Baltimore PD in the past...oh...10 years has transported a million prisoners unseat belted...and none died....theres absolutely no reason they should've expected this.

Freddy Grey had weak bones from lead poisoning and prior injuries. He stood up in a moving vehicle. And fell. Tragic. But not criminal.

Hell...I could be the defense and win this case. The Baltimore police union lawyer will sleepwalk his way to a victory.

The Baltimore PD has paid out hundreds of millions of dollars in civil suits due to injuries suffered during "rough rides". It's not exactly a secret, and I don't imagine it will be that hard to convince a jury that the same thing happened again.

Im sure they have. Because injuries in a car driving incident are a civil matter. Not criminal.

When the injuries are intentional, in an attempt to humble the "suspect", then it certainly is a criminal matter.

You really are stupid.
The vehicle had a 'black box/GPS installed in it four years prior. This 'Black box' was fully functioning when Freddie The Freeloader Drug Dealer/Habitual Criminal went for his last ride. The Black box records every movement of the vehicle. The 'rough-ride' bullshit is a fucking myth. The reason Black-boxes are in police transport vehicles is to PREVENT FUCKING LAWSUITS!!! The driver KNEW the Black box was installed and in working order. Think that through if you're sentient enough.
FTFL stood up when the vehicle was moving. The little faggot was trying to cause himself an injury so he could con the system and file a phony lawsuit.

"Doc" is clinging to hope...any hope at all

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

FTFL stood up when the vehicle was moving. The little faggot was trying to cause himself an injury so he could con the system and file a phony lawsuit.

You wet your pants little boy waaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Darkwind]

Freddie Gray Autopsy Shows High-Energy Injury Report Says - NBC News

Someone leaked the autopsy. Mosby is pissed. All 6 cops plead not guilty. She was desperately hoping for plea deals.

AUTOPSY: A "high energy injury" consistent with his movement in the van..NOT any type of assault. Or malice.

Says a change in speed of the van caused his fall or impact (red light? Starting from a full stop?).

It says its likely it was from Grey STANDING UP in the van while it was moving...and he fell. Or..."while Grey was changing positions on the floor".

CASE CLOSED. NOT GUILTY.

Baltimore gonna burn.

Well, you need to apply a little more critical thought to this than that. While I think the Baltimore 6 are innocent of wrong-doing, its not like the police in Baltimore have not used radical and hard maneuvers of their vehicle to bounce a prisoner around.

They may not be criminally liable (unless the sudden stop can be proven to be intentional with malice), but they are still civilly liable for the negligence of not belting in the prisoner.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Freddie Gray Autopsy Shows High-Energy Injury Report Says - NBC News

Someone leaked the autopsy. Mosby is pissed. All 6 cops plead not guilty. She was desperately hoping for plea deals.

AUTOPSY: A "high energy injury" consistent with his movement in the van..NOT any type of assault. Or malice.

Says a change in speed of the van caused his fall or impact (red light? Starting from a full stop?).

It says its likely it was from Grey STANDING UP in the van while it was moving...and he fell. Or..."while Grey was changing positions on the floor".

CASE CLOSED. NOT GUILTY.

Baltimore gonna burn.

Well, you need to apply a little more critical thought to this than that. While I think the Baltimore 6 are innocent of wrong-doing, its not like the police in Baltimore have not used radical and hard maneuvers of their vehicle to bounce a prisoner around.

They may not be criminally liable (unless the sudden stop can be proven to be intentional with malice), but they are still civilly liable for the negligence of not belting in the prisoner.

I'm sure the cops put him in the van and then came up with "drive like a maniac and maybe it will kill him".....<eye roll>

 

[Darkwind]

Freddie Gray Autopsy Shows High-Energy Injury Report Says - NBC News

Someone leaked the autopsy. Mosby is pissed. All 6 cops plead not guilty. She was desperately hoping for plea deals.

AUTOPSY: A "high energy injury" consistent with his movement in the van..NOT any type of assault. Or malice.

Says a change in speed of the van caused his fall or impact (red light? Starting from a full stop?).

It says its likely it was from Grey STANDING UP in the van while it was moving...and he fell. Or..."while Grey was changing positions on the floor".

CASE CLOSED. NOT GUILTY.

Baltimore gonna burn.

Well, you need to apply a little more critical thought to this than that. While I think the Baltimore 6 are innocent of wrong-doing, its not like the police in Baltimore have not used radical and hard maneuvers of their vehicle to bounce a prisoner around.

They may not be criminally liable (unless the sudden stop can be proven to be intentional with malice), but they are still civilly liable for the negligence of not belting in the prisoner.

I'm sure the cops put him in the van and then came up with "drive like a maniac and maybe it will kill him".....<eye roll>

Well, I'm not making up shit. Its been proven that Baltimore cops have done it in the past. Its not that far-fetched that they were doing it again.

But then, none of this is about what I believe, what you believe, or what anyone believes. Its about what can be proven in court. And the ONLY thing that can be proven in court is that the cops were negligent by not strapping the prisoner into a seat belt.

Of course, after this fiasco, Mosby? (The Baltimore DA?) will be lucky to find work as legal secretary. But she'll just cry racism and probably make US Attorney General.

All I can say its a good thing for the left that she didn't go after the Confederate Battle Flag, cause if she did, that sucker would still be flying!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dannyboys]

I suspect the negro officer who was driving wouldn't have jeopardized his career or even exerted himself enough to give FTFL a 'rough-ride'.
He KNEW the Black box was installed and in working order. The vehicle maintenance crew must sign-off that the Black-box was working. It's like making sure the video camera in the vehicle is working.
Lawsuits are the number one drain on police resources. Avoiding them is the number one priority in any police department.
Every cop knows if they are the cause of a successful lawsuit against the department they will never work for any police department in the country.......ever. There's a nice big red banner stuck on the offending cop's file basically saying "BEWARE. This cop cost the department $50K! Think about that.