Let 'Em Die

[Weatherman2020]

The Left owe Sarah Palin an apology. Death Panels.

 

[Weatherman2020]

OP is getting fake mad about a process that will happen everywhere medical resources are short. It's going to be even more of a shit sandwich in states that didn't do that much to prepare. Anyone who lives in small communities better hope they don't get it because once rural hospitals get overrun that's your ass.

New York hospitals aren’t even “overrun”.

Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission."

www.cnbc.com

My county has one 25 bed hospital for about 12,000 people. Rumor has it that they only have one ventilator. How long do you figure it would take them to get overwhelmed? Lots of retired people here and the governor wants to open the beaches for tourists to come and infect us all.

Thats the invisible hand of the free market.
Capitalism is all about survival of the fittest.

Communist propaganda. While the capitalist countries always had better healthcare than any communist country not to mention leading the world in medical advances.

In Cuba, between 4 and 5 infants die for every 1,000 live births.
In the United States, nearly 6 infants die for every 1,000 live births.

If your baby girl was born in 2015 in Cuba, she could expect to live until 82.
In the United States, her lifespan would be a year less, on average.
A newborn girl in Mississippi can expect to live until 78, four fewer years than in Cuba.

You communists are known for lying. In Cuba...

"Physicians are given health outcome targets to meet or face penalties. This provides incentives to manipulate data. Take Cuba’s much praised infant mortality rate for example. In most countries, the ratio of the numbers of neonatal deaths and late fetal deaths stay within a certain range of each other as they have many common causes and determinants. One study found that that while the ratio of late fetal deaths to early neonatal deaths in countries with available data stood between 1.04 and 3.03 (Gonzalez, 2015)—a ratio which is representative of Latin American countries as well (Gonzalez and Gilleskie, 2017).2 Cuba, with a ratio of 6, was a clear outlier. This skewed ratio is evidence that physicians likely reclassified early neonatal deaths as late fetal deaths, thus deflating the infant mortality statistics and propping up life expectancy.

n ethnographic study of the Cuban health system showed that physicians who worried that a mother’s behavior might lead to missing the centrally established targets will prescribe the forceful internment in a state clinic (casa de maternidad) so that they may regulate her behavior.4 Physicians often perform abortions without clear consent of the mother, raising serious issues of medical ethics, when ultrasound reveals fetal abnormalities because ‘otherwise it might raise the infant mortality rate’ (Hirschfeld 2007b:12).5

Coercing or pressuring patients into having abortions artificially improve infant mortality by preventing marginally riskier births from occurring help doctors meet their centrally fixed targets. At 72.8 abortions per 100 births, Cuba has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.6 If only 5% of the abortions are actually pressured abortions meant to keep health statistics up, life expectancy at birth must be lowered by a sizeable amount. "

Cuban infant mortality and longevity: health care or repression?

HighlightsCuban healthcare statistics are flawed.The health achievements are in part the result of repressive methods.The health achievements are in part t

academic.oup.com

Yep. Many 3rd world nations don’t count an infant death until 72 hours after birth.

 

[DOTR]

A newborn girl in Mississippi can expect to live until 78, four fewer years than in Cuba.

American health varies inversely with the black population...with drug use, single motherhood and criminal activity. Thats why you picked Mississippi. South Dakota..which is part of America I do believe..surpasses Cuba even with its manipulated statistics.

There are many other factors. Fort example Cubans are too poor to own cars. Traffic fatalities take at least 1-2 years off the general life expectancy of the American population. Nothing to do with medical care. Murder victims in inner city democrat strongholds also take years off. Again.,.nothing to do with medicine.

You are full of communist propaganda.

 

[DOTR]

OP is getting fake mad about a process that will happen everywhere medical resources are short. It's going to be even more of a shit sandwich in states that didn't do that much to prepare. Anyone who lives in small communities better hope they don't get it because once rural hospitals get overrun that's your ass.

New York hospitals aren’t even “overrun”.

Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission."

www.cnbc.com

My county has one 25 bed hospital for about 12,000 people. Rumor has it that they only have one ventilator. How long do you figure it would take them to get overwhelmed? Lots of retired people here and the governor wants to open the beaches for tourists to come and infect us all.

Thats the invisible hand of the free market.
Capitalism is all about survival of the fittest.

Communist propaganda. While the capitalist countries always had better healthcare than any communist country not to mention leading the world in medical advances.

In Cuba, between 4 and 5 infants die for every 1,000 live births.
In the United States, nearly 6 infants die for every 1,000 live births.

If your baby girl was born in 2015 in Cuba, she could expect to live until 82.
In the United States, her lifespan would be a year less, on average.
A newborn girl in Mississippi can expect to live until 78, four fewer years than in Cuba.

Hoe was your Easter by the way?

 

[dudmuck]

OP is getting fake mad about a process that will happen everywhere medical resources are short. It's going to be even more of a shit sandwich in states that didn't do that much to prepare. Anyone who lives in small communities better hope they don't get it because once rural hospitals get overrun that's your ass.

New York hospitals aren’t even “overrun”.

Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission."

www.cnbc.com

My county has one 25 bed hospital for about 12,000 people. Rumor has it that they only have one ventilator. How long do you figure it would take them to get overwhelmed? Lots of retired people here and the governor wants to open the beaches for tourists to come and infect us all.

Thats the invisible hand of the free market.
Capitalism is all about survival of the fittest.

Communist propaganda. While the capitalist countries always had better healthcare than any communist country not to mention leading the world in medical advances.

In Cuba, between 4 and 5 infants die for every 1,000 live births.
In the United States, nearly 6 infants die for every 1,000 live births.

If your baby girl was born in 2015 in Cuba, she could expect to live until 82.
In the United States, her lifespan would be a year less, on average.
A newborn girl in Mississippi can expect to live until 78, four fewer years than in Cuba.

You communists are known for lying. In Cuba...

"Physicians are given health outcome targets to meet or face penalties. This provides incentives to manipulate data. Take Cuba’s much praised infant mortality rate for example. In most countries, the ratio of the numbers of neonatal deaths and late fetal deaths stay within a certain range of each other as they have many common causes and determinants. One study found that that while the ratio of late fetal deaths to early neonatal deaths in countries with available data stood between 1.04 and 3.03 (Gonzalez, 2015)—a ratio which is representative of Latin American countries as well (Gonzalez and Gilleskie, 2017).2 Cuba, with a ratio of 6, was a clear outlier. This skewed ratio is evidence that physicians likely reclassified early neonatal deaths as late fetal deaths, thus deflating the infant mortality statistics and propping up life expectancy.

n ethnographic study of the Cuban health system showed that physicians who worried that a mother’s behavior might lead to missing the centrally established targets will prescribe the forceful internment in a state clinic (casa de maternidad) so that they may regulate her behavior.4 Physicians often perform abortions without clear consent of the mother, raising serious issues of medical ethics, when ultrasound reveals fetal abnormalities because ‘otherwise it might raise the infant mortality rate’ (Hirschfeld 2007b:12).5

Coercing or pressuring patients into having abortions artificially improve infant mortality by preventing marginally riskier births from occurring help doctors meet their centrally fixed targets. At 72.8 abortions per 100 births, Cuba has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.6 If only 5% of the abortions are actually pressured abortions meant to keep health statistics up, life expectancy at birth must be lowered by a sizeable amount. "

Cuban infant mortality and longevity: health care or repression?

HighlightsCuban healthcare statistics are flawed.The health achievements are in part the result of repressive methods.The health achievements are in part t

academic.oup.com

That was done two years ago.
Cuban infant mortality is tracked every year.
Its declining consistently every year.

And life expectancy there is on an upward trend.

 

[DOTR]

OP is getting fake mad about a process that will happen everywhere medical resources are short. It's going to be even more of a shit sandwich in states that didn't do that much to prepare. Anyone who lives in small communities better hope they don't get it because once rural hospitals get overrun that's your ass.

New York hospitals aren’t even “overrun”.

Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission."

www.cnbc.com

My county has one 25 bed hospital for about 12,000 people. Rumor has it that they only have one ventilator. How long do you figure it would take them to get overwhelmed? Lots of retired people here and the governor wants to open the beaches for tourists to come and infect us all.

Thats the invisible hand of the free market.
Capitalism is all about survival of the fittest.

Communist propaganda. While the capitalist countries always had better healthcare than any communist country not to mention leading the world in medical advances.

In Cuba, between 4 and 5 infants die for every 1,000 live births.
In the United States, nearly 6 infants die for every 1,000 live births.

If your baby girl was born in 2015 in Cuba, she could expect to live until 82.
In the United States, her lifespan would be a year less, on average.
A newborn girl in Mississippi can expect to live until 78, four fewer years than in Cuba.

You communists are known for lying. In Cuba...

"Physicians are given health outcome targets to meet or face penalties. This provides incentives to manipulate data. Take Cuba’s much praised infant mortality rate for example. In most countries, the ratio of the numbers of neonatal deaths and late fetal deaths stay within a certain range of each other as they have many common causes and determinants. One study found that that while the ratio of late fetal deaths to early neonatal deaths in countries with available data stood between 1.04 and 3.03 (Gonzalez, 2015)—a ratio which is representative of Latin American countries as well (Gonzalez and Gilleskie, 2017).2 Cuba, with a ratio of 6, was a clear outlier. This skewed ratio is evidence that physicians likely reclassified early neonatal deaths as late fetal deaths, thus deflating the infant mortality statistics and propping up life expectancy.

n ethnographic study of the Cuban health system showed that physicians who worried that a mother’s behavior might lead to missing the centrally established targets will prescribe the forceful internment in a state clinic (casa de maternidad) so that they may regulate her behavior.4 Physicians often perform abortions without clear consent of the mother, raising serious issues of medical ethics, when ultrasound reveals fetal abnormalities because ‘otherwise it might raise the infant mortality rate’ (Hirschfeld 2007b:12).5

Coercing or pressuring patients into having abortions artificially improve infant mortality by preventing marginally riskier births from occurring help doctors meet their centrally fixed targets. At 72.8 abortions per 100 births, Cuba has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.6 If only 5% of the abortions are actually pressured abortions meant to keep health statistics up, life expectancy at birth must be lowered by a sizeable amount. "

Cuban infant mortality and longevity: health care or repression?

HighlightsCuban healthcare statistics are flawed.The health achievements are in part the result of repressive methods.The health achievements are in part t

academic.oup.com

That was done two years ago.
Cuban infant mortality is tracked every year.
Its declining consistently every year.

The statistics are being massaged further every year then.

 

[DOTR]

Im quite sure the hundreds of thousands of refugees that fled Cuba for freedom were more than happy with the health care system they found in the US.

 

[dudmuck]

OP is getting fake mad about a process that will happen everywhere medical resources are short. It's going to be even more of a shit sandwich in states that didn't do that much to prepare. Anyone who lives in small communities better hope they don't get it because once rural hospitals get overrun that's your ass.

New York hospitals aren’t even “overrun”.

Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission."

www.cnbc.com

My county has one 25 bed hospital for about 12,000 people. Rumor has it that they only have one ventilator. How long do you figure it would take them to get overwhelmed? Lots of retired people here and the governor wants to open the beaches for tourists to come and infect us all.

Thats the invisible hand of the free market.
Capitalism is all about survival of the fittest.

Communist propaganda. While the capitalist countries always had better healthcare than any communist country not to mention leading the world in medical advances.

In Cuba, between 4 and 5 infants die for every 1,000 live births.
In the United States, nearly 6 infants die for every 1,000 live births.

If your baby girl was born in 2015 in Cuba, she could expect to live until 82.
In the United States, her lifespan would be a year less, on average.
A newborn girl in Mississippi can expect to live until 78, four fewer years than in Cuba.

You communists are known for lying. In Cuba...

"Physicians are given health outcome targets to meet or face penalties. This provides incentives to manipulate data. Take Cuba’s much praised infant mortality rate for example. In most countries, the ratio of the numbers of neonatal deaths and late fetal deaths stay within a certain range of each other as they have many common causes and determinants. One study found that that while the ratio of late fetal deaths to early neonatal deaths in countries with available data stood between 1.04 and 3.03 (Gonzalez, 2015)—a ratio which is representative of Latin American countries as well (Gonzalez and Gilleskie, 2017).2 Cuba, with a ratio of 6, was a clear outlier. This skewed ratio is evidence that physicians likely reclassified early neonatal deaths as late fetal deaths, thus deflating the infant mortality statistics and propping up life expectancy.

n ethnographic study of the Cuban health system showed that physicians who worried that a mother’s behavior might lead to missing the centrally established targets will prescribe the forceful internment in a state clinic (casa de maternidad) so that they may regulate her behavior.4 Physicians often perform abortions without clear consent of the mother, raising serious issues of medical ethics, when ultrasound reveals fetal abnormalities because ‘otherwise it might raise the infant mortality rate’ (Hirschfeld 2007b:12).5

Coercing or pressuring patients into having abortions artificially improve infant mortality by preventing marginally riskier births from occurring help doctors meet their centrally fixed targets. At 72.8 abortions per 100 births, Cuba has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.6 If only 5% of the abortions are actually pressured abortions meant to keep health statistics up, life expectancy at birth must be lowered by a sizeable amount. "

Cuban infant mortality and longevity: health care or repression?

HighlightsCuban healthcare statistics are flawed.The health achievements are in part the result of repressive methods.The health achievements are in part t

academic.oup.com

That was done two years ago.
Cuban infant mortality is tracked every year.
Its declining consistently every year.

The statistics are being massaged further every year then.

Tbe data is from the United Nations department of economic & social affairs.
Since the UN is funded globally, there is no incentive to manipulate data, especially towards Cuba.

 

[Norman]

View attachment 326682

The Hippocratic Oath another western ideal to soon be thrown in the trash by progressivism and never revived.

*****SMILE*****

It was already thrown out in the UK - no treatment for racists, aka. regular working people.

 

[Norman]

OP is getting fake mad about a process that will happen everywhere medical resources are short. It's going to be even more of a shit sandwich in states that didn't do that much to prepare. Anyone who lives in small communities better hope they don't get it because once rural hospitals get overrun that's your ass.

New York hospitals aren’t even “overrun”.

Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission."

www.cnbc.com

My county has one 25 bed hospital for about 12,000 people. Rumor has it that they only have one ventilator. How long do you figure it would take them to get overwhelmed? Lots of retired people here and the governor wants to open the beaches for tourists to come and infect us all.

Thats the invisible hand of the free market.
Capitalism is all about survival of the fittest.

Communist propaganda. While the capitalist countries always had better healthcare than any communist country not to mention leading the world in medical advances.

In Cuba, between 4 and 5 infants die for every 1,000 live births.
In the United States, nearly 6 infants die for every 1,000 live births.

If your baby girl was born in 2015 in Cuba, she could expect to live until 82.
In the United States, her lifespan would be a year less, on average.
A newborn girl in Mississippi can expect to live until 78, four fewer years than in Cuba.

You communists are known for lying. In Cuba...

"Physicians are given health outcome targets to meet or face penalties. This provides incentives to manipulate data. Take Cuba’s much praised infant mortality rate for example. In most countries, the ratio of the numbers of neonatal deaths and late fetal deaths stay within a certain range of each other as they have many common causes and determinants. One study found that that while the ratio of late fetal deaths to early neonatal deaths in countries with available data stood between 1.04 and 3.03 (Gonzalez, 2015)—a ratio which is representative of Latin American countries as well (Gonzalez and Gilleskie, 2017).2 Cuba, with a ratio of 6, was a clear outlier. This skewed ratio is evidence that physicians likely reclassified early neonatal deaths as late fetal deaths, thus deflating the infant mortality statistics and propping up life expectancy.

n ethnographic study of the Cuban health system showed that physicians who worried that a mother’s behavior might lead to missing the centrally established targets will prescribe the forceful internment in a state clinic (casa de maternidad) so that they may regulate her behavior.4 Physicians often perform abortions without clear consent of the mother, raising serious issues of medical ethics, when ultrasound reveals fetal abnormalities because ‘otherwise it might raise the infant mortality rate’ (Hirschfeld 2007b:12).5

Coercing or pressuring patients into having abortions artificially improve infant mortality by preventing marginally riskier births from occurring help doctors meet their centrally fixed targets. At 72.8 abortions per 100 births, Cuba has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.6 If only 5% of the abortions are actually pressured abortions meant to keep health statistics up, life expectancy at birth must be lowered by a sizeable amount. "

Cuban infant mortality and longevity: health care or repression?

HighlightsCuban healthcare statistics are flawed.The health achievements are in part the result of repressive methods.The health achievements are in part t

academic.oup.com

That was done two years ago.
Cuban infant mortality is tracked every year.
Its declining consistently every year.

The statistics are being massaged further every year then.

Tbe data is from the United Nations department of economic & social affairs.
Since the UN is funded globally, there is no incentive to manipulate data, especially towards Cuba.

All of the globally funded organizations are hopelessly globalist, and socialist. They have every incentive to manipulate the data.

Cut the funding. Why the hell are we investing in organizations that HATE us?

 

[Papageorgio]

"New York state issued a blanket do-not-resuscitate directive last week instructing first-responders not to try to revive patients without a pulse amid increased call volumes and lack of resources during the coronavirus public health crisis"

“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, the president of Local 2507, Uniformed EMT’s, Paramedics & Fire Inspectors Union, told the Post. “Our job is to bring patients back to life. This guideline takes that away from us.”


"If hospitalized patients infected with the virus begin to go into cardiac arrest, doctors and nurses must first dress in full personal protective equipment before beginning CPR, meaning some patients might die in the interim. Some doctors issue do-not-resuscitate orders for COVID-19 patients on a case to case basis without families signing off but blanket measures for all patients infected with the virus were considered too draconian by ethics professionals in the medical community."

Too 'draconian' for ethics professionals in the medical community perhaps, but we're talking about NEW YORK - forgetabout it.....Cardiac Patients are to be assumed as having COVID-19 by paramedics even if they have not been tested and proven to have the virus.

'F* 'em - Let 'em die!'


My suggestion - Try not to have a heart attack in New York!

New York state rescinds DNR order for cardiac patients amid coronavirus crisis

New York state rescinded a blanket do-not-resuscitate order on Wednesday, that instructed first-responders not to revive patients without a pulse, in an effort to preserve resources during the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak.

www.foxnews.com

DEATH PANELS that he left mocks

It’s okay for the left wing elite to have death panels, and their little nobodies just follow along.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

OP is getting fake mad about a process that will happen everywhere medical resources are short. It's going to be even more of a shit sandwich in states that didn't do that much to prepare. Anyone who lives in small communities better hope they don't get it because once rural hospitals get overrun that's your ass.

New York hospitals aren’t even “overrun”.

Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission."

www.cnbc.com

California hospitals aren't overrun. Some have been empty so long they might have to close.

 

[esalla]

"New York state issued a blanket do-not-resuscitate directive last week instructing first-responders not to try to revive patients without a pulse amid increased call volumes and lack of resources during the coronavirus public health crisis"

“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, the president of Local 2507, Uniformed EMT’s, Paramedics & Fire Inspectors Union, told the Post. “Our job is to bring patients back to life. This guideline takes that away from us.”


"If hospitalized patients infected with the virus begin to go into cardiac arrest, doctors and nurses must first dress in full personal protective equipment before beginning CPR, meaning some patients might die in the interim. Some doctors issue do-not-resuscitate orders for COVID-19 patients on a case to case basis without families signing off but blanket measures for all patients infected with the virus were considered too draconian by ethics professionals in the medical community."

Too 'draconian' for ethics professionals in the medical community perhaps, but we're talking about NEW YORK - forgetabout it.....Cardiac Patients are to be assumed as having COVID-19 by paramedics even if they have not been tested and proven to have the virus.

'F* 'em - Let 'em die!'


My suggestion - Try not to have a heart attack in New York!

New York state rescinds DNR order for cardiac patients amid coronavirus crisis

New York state rescinded a blanket do-not-resuscitate order on Wednesday, that instructed first-responders not to revive patients without a pulse, in an effort to preserve resources during the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak.

www.foxnews.com

What increased call volume the hospital ship is leaving and the new hospitals are all empty

 

[easyt65]

What increased call volume the hospital ship is leaving and the new hospitals are all empty

Yeah, they are so overrun / overwhelmed they are ordering paramedics to let anyone who has had a heart attack and has no pulse die.

Isn't this the very definition of 'Medical Care Rationing', what Democrats swore had no par in their health care plans?

I read an article last week that stated the COVID-19 pandemic is proof the US needs to be switched to single-payer government-run health care.....under the same government bureaucrats like those who just told paramedics to let people die because of the need to ration care?!

Yeah...uh....no thank you.

 

[Papageorgio]

OP is getting fake mad about a process that will happen everywhere medical resources are short. It's going to be even more of a shit sandwich in states that didn't do that much to prepare. Anyone who lives in small communities better hope they don't get it because once rural hospitals get overrun that's your ass.

New York hospitals aren’t even “overrun”.

Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission."

www.cnbc.com

My county has one 25 bed hospital for about 12,000 people. Rumor has it that they only have one ventilator. How long do you figure it would take them to get overwhelmed? Lots of retired people here and the governor wants to open the beaches for tourists to come and infect us all.

Thats the invisible hand of the free market.
Capitalism is all about survival of the fittest.

Communist propaganda. While the capitalist countries always had better healthcare than any communist country not to mention leading the world in medical advances.

In Cuba, between 4 and 5 infants die for every 1,000 live births.
In the United States, nearly 6 infants die for every 1,000 live births.

If your baby girl was born in 2015 in Cuba, she could expect to live until 82.
In the United States, her lifespan would be a year less, on average.
A newborn girl in Mississippi can expect to live until 78, four fewer years than in Cuba.

You fell for it, I see. Have you not learned anything about world data and collecting such data? Three kinds of lies, big lies, small lies, and statistics.

This might be helpful when digging into numbers. What you see is not what is actually happening.

International infant mortality rankings: A look behind the numbers

The very unfavorable infant mortality ranking of the United States in international comparisons is often used to question the quality of health care there. Infant mortality rates, however, implicitly capture a complicated story, measuring much more than ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

However, infant mortality statistics also leave out some vital information, such as ignoring fetal deaths before birth, that may distort the picture in another way. This debate over which of several measures to use illustrates the complexity of factors surrounding infant mortality.

In addition, measurement problems arise in international comparisons because the data are not consistently gathered or reported. Although the World Health Organization (WHO) has a formal definition of what should be included in the infant mortality statistics, anecdotal evidence suggests that countries do not use consistent practices in measuring these data.

 

[dudmuck]

OP is getting fake mad about a process that will happen everywhere medical resources are short. It's going to be even more of a shit sandwich in states that didn't do that much to prepare. Anyone who lives in small communities better hope they don't get it because once rural hospitals get overrun that's your ass.

New York hospitals aren’t even “overrun”.

Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission."

www.cnbc.com

My county has one 25 bed hospital for about 12,000 people. Rumor has it that they only have one ventilator. How long do you figure it would take them to get overwhelmed? Lots of retired people here and the governor wants to open the beaches for tourists to come and infect us all.

Thats the invisible hand of the free market.
Capitalism is all about survival of the fittest.

Communist propaganda. While the capitalist countries always had better healthcare than any communist country not to mention leading the world in medical advances.

In Cuba, between 4 and 5 infants die for every 1,000 live births.
In the United States, nearly 6 infants die for every 1,000 live births.

If your baby girl was born in 2015 in Cuba, she could expect to live until 82.
In the United States, her lifespan would be a year less, on average.
A newborn girl in Mississippi can expect to live until 78, four fewer years than in Cuba.

You fell for it, I see. Have you not learned anything about world data and collecting such data? Three kinds of lies, big lies, small lies, and statistics.

This might be helpful when digging into numbers. What you see is not what is actually happening.

International infant mortality rankings: A look behind the numbers

The very unfavorable infant mortality ranking of the United States in international comparisons is often used to question the quality of health care there. Infant mortality rates, however, implicitly capture a complicated story, measuring much more than ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

However, infant mortality statistics also leave out some vital information, such as ignoring fetal deaths before birth, that may distort the picture in another way. This debate over which of several measures to use illustrates the complexity of factors surrounding infant mortality.

In addition, measurement problems arise in international comparisons because the data are not consistently gathered or reported. Although the World Health Organization (WHO) has a formal definition of what should be included in the infant mortality statistics, anecdotal evidence suggests that countries do not use consistent practices in measuring these data.

Ok, infant mortality isnt listed as something to be measured when comparing performance of healthcare systems.
A much better comparison of country healthcare is shown here.
Key factors to look at are amenable mortality, potential years of life (aka life expectancy), and others listed there.

The original point was comparison between Cuba and USA healthcare.
Overall Cuba, being a much poorer country, does better than usa on many factors in healthcare.
Especially compared to a few deep-red states, which are on par with 3rd world countries.

 

[charwin95]

"New York state issued a blanket do-not-resuscitate directive last week instructing first-responders not to try to revive patients without a pulse amid increased call volumes and lack of resources during the coronavirus public health crisis"

“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, the president of Local 2507, Uniformed EMT’s, Paramedics & Fire Inspectors Union, told the Post. “Our job is to bring patients back to life. This guideline takes that away from us.”


"If hospitalized patients infected with the virus begin to go into cardiac arrest, doctors and nurses must first dress in full personal protective equipment before beginning CPR, meaning some patients might die in the interim. Some doctors issue do-not-resuscitate orders for COVID-19 patients on a case to case basis without families signing off but blanket measures for all patients infected with the virus were considered too draconian by ethics professionals in the medical community."

Too 'draconian' for ethics professionals in the medical community perhaps, but we're talking about NEW YORK - forgetabout it.....Cardiac Patients are to be assumed as having COVID-19 by paramedics even if they have not been tested and proven to have the virus.

'F* 'em - Let 'em die!'


My suggestion - Try not to have a heart attack in New York!

New York state rescinds DNR order for cardiac patients amid coronavirus crisis

New York state rescinded a blanket do-not-resuscitate order on Wednesday, that instructed first-responders not to revive patients without a pulse, in an effort to preserve resources during the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak.

www.foxnews.com

Totally incorrect and very false accusations.

You are accusing these doctors and hospitals of negligence, murder and atrocities. With zero evidence.

Just like how you accused 100% Obama of murder. Without any evidence.

It doesn’t work that way how you and Hannity ( watched it last night) portrayed it.

if you bring your espouse or relatives that is infected with CV. Doctors will update you the status. If you read Rocko’s mom thread that suffered CV infections. That is the process.

They will always update you the status of your love one as much as they can. After several days of treatments, lungs is no longer working even with the help of ventilators, diabetic, heart problems, high blood pressure, blood clots.

Doctors will talk to your espouse or relatives that it’s hopeless. ALWAYS that is the rule then declare DNR.

Doctors will NOT just willy willy willy nilly declare DNR without the consent of the love one. THAT IS A FACT.

You always posted lots of LIES and misleading information.

I watched Hannity as long as painful as I can last night. YOUVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. That is a good example of a 100% fake news. You got to be real stupid to believe that.
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[charwin95]

"New York state issued a blanket do-not-resuscitate directive last week instructing first-responders not to try to revive patients without a pulse amid increased call volumes and lack of resources during the coronavirus public health crisis"

“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, the president of Local 2507, Uniformed EMT’s, Paramedics & Fire Inspectors Union, told the Post. “Our job is to bring patients back to life. This guideline takes that away from us.”


"If hospitalized patients infected with the virus begin to go into cardiac arrest, doctors and nurses must first dress in full personal protective equipment before beginning CPR, meaning some patients might die in the interim. Some doctors issue do-not-resuscitate orders for COVID-19 patients on a case to case basis without families signing off but blanket measures for all patients infected with the virus were considered too draconian by ethics professionals in the medical community."

Too 'draconian' for ethics professionals in the medical community perhaps, but we're talking about NEW YORK - forgetabout it.....Cardiac Patients are to be assumed as having COVID-19 by paramedics even if they have not been tested and proven to have the virus.

'F* 'em - Let 'em die!'


My suggestion - Try not to have a heart attack in New York!

New York state rescinds DNR order for cardiac patients amid coronavirus crisis

New York state rescinded a blanket do-not-resuscitate order on Wednesday, that instructed first-responders not to revive patients without a pulse, in an effort to preserve resources during the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak.

www.foxnews.com

This is the problem when ignorant like you make this crisis worse as it is. PAY ATTENTION.
1. You do NOT give CPR to a dying patients with Coronavirus infections. Not a single stupid nurse or doctors will do that. That is like a suicide. That is the NORMAL practice all over US and around the world that are facing this crisis. Maybe you because you are so smart.

They have devices for resuscitating patients, dumbass. You don't have to put your mouth on theirs. In fact, that's never done in a hospital.

2. If you have CV infections in that level having a cardiac arrest. Your chances of survival is about zero.

I suppose you have some documentation for this claim.

3. In a normal situations. Yes the relatives has the final say when to issue DNR. This is a crisis. Doctors will try to save your life even if you are in coma but not when your chances is zero.

Your chances aren't zero, and your relatives don't have the final say if you have a living will

4. They are not criminals how you portrayed it that they just let them die.


Trump said it will just go away like flu. Take chloroquine What you got to lose.

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99.9% of the time it does just go away. Most people never even notice they have it.

I made my post by numbers so it will be easier for you or anybody to give me your rebuttal. Try again.

I gave my rebuttal, asshole.

Wrong. I said try again.
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[charwin95]

"New York state issued a blanket do-not-resuscitate directive last week instructing first-responders not to try to revive patients without a pulse amid increased call volumes and lack of resources during the coronavirus public health crisis"

“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, the president of Local 2507, Uniformed EMT’s, Paramedics & Fire Inspectors Union, told the Post. “Our job is to bring patients back to life. This guideline takes that away from us.”


"If hospitalized patients infected with the virus begin to go into cardiac arrest, doctors and nurses must first dress in full personal protective equipment before beginning CPR, meaning some patients might die in the interim. Some doctors issue do-not-resuscitate orders for COVID-19 patients on a case to case basis without families signing off but blanket measures for all patients infected with the virus were considered too draconian by ethics professionals in the medical community."

Too 'draconian' for ethics professionals in the medical community perhaps, but we're talking about NEW YORK - forgetabout it.....Cardiac Patients are to be assumed as having COVID-19 by paramedics even if they have not been tested and proven to have the virus.

'F* 'em - Let 'em die!'


My suggestion - Try not to have a heart attack in New York!

New York state rescinds DNR order for cardiac patients amid coronavirus crisis

New York state rescinded a blanket do-not-resuscitate order on Wednesday, that instructed first-responders not to revive patients without a pulse, in an effort to preserve resources during the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak.

www.foxnews.com

This is the problem when ignorant like you make this crisis worse as it is. PAY ATTENTION.
1. You do NOT give CPR to a dying patients with Coronavirus infections. Not a single stupid nurse or doctors will do that. That is like a suicide. That is the NORMAL practice all over US and around the world that are facing this crisis. Maybe you because you are so smart.

They have devices for resuscitating patients, dumbass. You don't have to put your mouth on theirs. In fact, that's never done in a hospital.

2. If you have CV infections in that level having a cardiac arrest. Your chances of survival is about zero.

I suppose you have some documentation for this claim.

3. In a normal situations. Yes the relatives has the final say when to issue DNR. This is a crisis. Doctors will try to save your life even if you are in coma but not when your chances is zero.

Your chances aren't zero, and your relatives don't have the final say if you have a living will

4. They are not criminals how you portrayed it that they just let them die.


Trump said it will just go away like flu. Take chloroquine What you got to lose.

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99.9% of the time it does just go away. Most people never even notice they have it.

The problem how you quote me. In 2 or 3 post of arguments you are lost. Then you go all over the place.
The device that you are talking about is called LUCAS ( lund university cardiopulmonary assist system). You honestly believe I don’t know anything about that device?

Apparently you don't because you just made it clear that you believe medical personnel have to have flesh to flesh contact with a patient to resuscitate him.

They do. You don’t see them carrying LUCAS. Why don’t you watch other news how they treat people without the CV instead of just watching Fox News. Even during surgery.
What is your experience in treating patients? None. NADA. Till suddenly you become an expert because of Trump.

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[charwin95]

"New York state issued a blanket do-not-resuscitate directive last week instructing first-responders not to try to revive patients without a pulse amid increased call volumes and lack of resources during the coronavirus public health crisis"

“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, the president of Local 2507, Uniformed EMT’s, Paramedics & Fire Inspectors Union, told the Post. “Our job is to bring patients back to life. This guideline takes that away from us.”


"If hospitalized patients infected with the virus begin to go into cardiac arrest, doctors and nurses must first dress in full personal protective equipment before beginning CPR, meaning some patients might die in the interim. Some doctors issue do-not-resuscitate orders for COVID-19 patients on a case to case basis without families signing off but blanket measures for all patients infected with the virus were considered too draconian by ethics professionals in the medical community."

Too 'draconian' for ethics professionals in the medical community perhaps, but we're talking about NEW YORK - forgetabout it.....Cardiac Patients are to be assumed as having COVID-19 by paramedics even if they have not been tested and proven to have the virus.

'F* 'em - Let 'em die!'


My suggestion - Try not to have a heart attack in New York!

New York state rescinds DNR order for cardiac patients amid coronavirus crisis

New York state rescinded a blanket do-not-resuscitate order on Wednesday, that instructed first-responders not to revive patients without a pulse, in an effort to preserve resources during the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak.

www.foxnews.com

Sadly lots of WEAKLINGS likes it and believed this BULLSHIT.
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