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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.
It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.
What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.
Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.
It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.
But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.
As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.
Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.
The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.
It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).
As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.
As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659
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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.
It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.
What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.
Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.
It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.
But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.
As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.
Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.
The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.
It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).
As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.
As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659
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If they want a gun, they will get a gun. You leftist continue with delusionsIf a teacher or administrator expresses interest in carrying a firearm into school, then I believe it is worth exploring. Have them undergo training, background checks, and monitoring. Further, need to enhance the locks, doors, and monitoring systems in a manner that does not compromise fire, safety, and operational flow of a school day - not an easy task.
Finally, we need to take down “gun free zone” signs. These are a joke and, at this point, an insult.
Background checks? The checks you have to undergo to be a teacher are quite sufficient!
Why are you people all so concerned about doors? I haven't seen a door that would not pass the test in the past 21 years and I have been in a LOT of schools! As long as the door locks, who cares about anything else?
There has yet to be an instance of someone shooting up a door and gaining access to a classroom! Why spend money on a problem that doesn't exist?
`* Yawn * There are no facts showing strict gun laws and gun free zones effectively reducing violent crime and reduced the murder rate. Murder statistics in Baltimore are a clear proof of that.
Actually, you're right. There are no stats that show the idea of a "gun free zone" actually works. The federal "Gun-Free School Zones Acts of 1990 & 1994" are punitive in nature and not at all an effective deterrent nor necessarily stricter gun laws, per se. So long as "Up to 600,000 guns are stolen every year in the US", criminals well be buying stolen guns taken from stupid and negligent gun owners.
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I believe I heard twenty somethingforce? dude you are out of touch. you should really pay attention. they want a chance to defend themselves if people expect they protect the kids. how's it working out so far as gun free zone?So the gun nuts want the federal government to force teachers to become law enforcement officers?
Why is that hilarious?
How many school districts have armed their teachers since Columbine?
`Yes, because burglars NEVER steal anything that's been locked up. OBVIOUSLY, all stolen guns were simply lying out on the coffee table, helpfully loaded so as not to take up too much of the burglar's valuable time.The more you talk, the more of a ignorant tweeko you reveal yourself to be.
Let's not be any more stupid than we have to here. The point is, and always has been, that the teacher is the last line of defense for the kids in his/her classroom. When a shooter walks through the door and starts shooting, I want the teacher to have a fighting chance to stop him and save the kids. Apparently, some do not..
Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.
It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.
What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.
Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.
It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.
But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.
As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.
Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.
The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.
It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).
As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.
As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659
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They don’t understand criminals don’t follow laws! That’s really how stupid the left areone more security flaw.
NO ONE should be allowed entry before it is proven that person has a legitimate reason to be in the school
I still can believe anyone lets a fucking moron like you teach their kids
You know, you really shouldn't talk that way about someone who has a great deal more experience with this topic than anyone else on this entire forum. It really makes you look like the nut case you are. Someone should probably take your guns away.
I don't know why you think that I am making up facts. I just proved that your "fix" would not have worked in this instance.
I guess that pisses you off to no end. Probably much like your sex life when the women would all start laughing when you dropped your trousers! "Wow, that looks just like a penis, only smaller!"
We have schools in this country worth trillions in taxpayer dollars. Just because you have an uninformed bad idea, we can't just spend trillions to upgrade to your stupid idea of a fix because you think you have large testicles. It won't work and all of the insults and Billy-Bad-Ass attitude will never make it work, so why waste the money?
It would have wrked because no where did I ever say any student should be able to open any door to let anyone they want into the school
Once again I must say I am in shock that a ;person who thinks he is smart enough to teach can't even figure out that controlling entry would have prevented or at least greatly minimized this last shooting and many others.
In other words, you failed to account for that in your assessment. That just means you are the dumbass!
You cannot control entry at every point in a school. To even suggest such a thing is laughable. I posted yesterday the classroom where I subbed had 6 (Yes, 6!) access points. Are you going to hire six security guards to watch ONE classroom? How about the other 150 classrooms?
I didn't because I never made a complete assessment.
And here we go again.
Your name wouldn't be Mr. Obtuse would it?
It doesn't matter how many doors you have if you control entry and egress.
ALL people can enter the exit the building via one entrance. ALL other entrances would be for emergency use only and would be unable to be opened by any student.
This shit ain't rocket science
Hey dumbass! Have you ever been inside a public building like a school? The doors are there, and open to the outside. They are doors that don't even have a handle on the outside or if they do, that handle is locked and will not open the door. To someone walking up to the building from the outside, they cannot open the door. However, if someone has been inside and opens the door for them or fixes the door by propping it open or jamming the mechanism, the shooter can just walk right in! That can be done by the shooter or an accomplice easily. It can also be accomplished by an unwitting student who just let's them in because they are being nice!
Of course it is not rocket science, but you are too stupid for even paper airplanes! You won't accept the fact that your stupid ideas will not solve the problems.
Rightfully so. And secret service was there at the coach, so you are wrong there. Go figure
Why not? What’s your solution bigot?`FORCE them? Who's talking about FORCING anything?
I see the word "force" has triggered you. True enough, not by FORCE of law, to be exact. I didn't mean to upset you. However, considering trump is doubling down on his rhetoric, Trump doubles down on arming teachers: 'The bad guys love gun-free zones' he is trying to force the issue. Poor deluded little man is having a temper tantrum.
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It’s actually an invitation to commit mass murder. We’ve now experienced it multiple times and the left stand with their dicks in their hands whacking off on it!If a teacher or administrator expresses interest in carrying a firearm into school, then I believe it is worth exploring. Have them undergo training, background checks, and monitoring. Further, need to enhance the locks, doors, and monitoring systems in a manner that does not compromise fire, safety, and operational flow of a school day - not an easy task.
Finally, we need to take down “gun free zone” signs. These are a joke and, at this point, an insult.
`Yes, because burglars NEVER steal anything that's been locked up. OBVIOUSLY, all stolen guns were simply lying out on the coffee table, helpfully loaded so as not to take up too much of the burglar's valuable time.The more you talk, the more of a ignorant tweeko you reveal yourself to be.
Your funny. You didn't read my link so how could you possibly know that the majority of gun thefts are crimes of opportunity, meaning, they were not locked up. Never mind these are FBI stats which are collected from local law enforcement organizations throughout the 50 states. Maybe you'd like to read these reports;
Analysis: Lost, stolen guns used in thousands of crimes
'Hot' Guns Fueling Crime, US Study Says
What Percentage Of Crimes Are Committed With Stolen Guns?”
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And all these stolen weapons came from smart law abiding gun owners who keep them locked up? Yeah, I'm ignorant but at least I can read.
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I don't see what's the problem in arming teachers.
They have been doing it in Israel with no problems at all.
I don't see what's the problem in arming teachers.
They have been doing it in Israel with no problems at all.
You want leftists to emulate a bunch of Jews? What are you thinking?
I don't see what's the problem in arming teachers.
They have been doing it in Israel with no problems at all.
You want leftists to emulate a bunch of Jews? What are you thinking?
A bunch of Jews?????
Are you a moron or what.
My God, some people here are . ......
I don't see what's the problem in arming teachers.
They have been doing it in Israel with no problems at all.
You want leftists to emulate a bunch of Jews? What are you thinking?
A bunch of Jews?????
Are you a moron or what.
My God, some people here are . ......
You mean you've never noticed that the left doesn't like Jews, unless they're in Hollywood making movies and holding fundraisers for Democrat candidates?
Wow, norman. You sound so brave. How many times, me boy, have you rushed an AR16 with your 9MM pistol??? None, you say? As soon as you have done so, let us know how it went.Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.
In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.
Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.
Wrong.Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.
In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.
Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.
Obviously you know nothing about shooting pistols, the training and experience required, and the inherent difficulty involved in being even moderately accurate.
Well, good thing the security had years of training.
I of course assume that most who are armed have the required experience. If for example a leftist had a gun, he couldn't even tell whether it was an assault rifle or not. Such person would be as useless as the security in this case, don't project that to all Americans.
Thanks for the nonsenseWow, norman. You sound so brave. How many times, me boy, have you rushed an AR16 with your 9MM pistol??? None, you say? As soon as you have done so, let us know how it went.Had someone had a gun the shooter would have been dropped.
In this case, balls would have been enough. The security apparently was too ball-less to confront the shooter.
Stop going after people's rights because your heroes completely sucked at preventing the shooting.
So, you have no clue. None. Three cops sat it out. Chances are really, really good that the chances were best that they were not likely to live through the experience.
But I am sure that you like the plan of your hero to arm teachers. No expert that has considered the concept thinks it is anything but a really stupid idea.
But you, having NO experience, think your hero, Mr. Trump, is a genius.
I suspect you never watched replays of what happens when groups of people, some actual experienced gun users, went through training using trainers acting as terrorists. The net is, in almost all cases, these even experienced gunners get killed, generally after killing friendlies in the room.
Everyone with any experience will tell you that our president's idea, of arming teachers, is really, really stupid and equally dangerous to everyone involved in a mass shooting situation. Only the idiot con tools believe it is a good idea.
