Let's face it: America kind of sucks

[Billy000]

Our health care system is the best in the world, dumbshit.

WE develop all those new miracle drugs. Not the Chinese.



13th in the world says who?

The corrupt fact checkers?

Mr Putin?

Kim Jong Un?


You are an ignorant fucktard, and you've obviously never been on welfare, which means you have no idea WTF you're talking about and you should STFU, dimtard.

How about you be a man and provide your own sources? I provide data to back up my claims and all you douches can do is whine lol

 

[monkrules]

Thanks, and I know some of you will be mean about it but hey it is time to move and do what I need to do…

The wife is Filipina, so we decided to just do it earlier than five years from now…

But of course I wanted Norway, Iceland or even Scotland and ya know how it goes when the wife says no…

Send us a postcard....

Bye...don't go away mad. Lol

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Send us a postcard....

Bye...don't go away mad. Lol

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Lol what the absolute fuck? What the hell does this have to do with what you were originally talking about with these first world healthcare systems. Good god.

Learn to read and think beyond bumper sticker slogans.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lol good god you’re fucking stupid. Talk about cringe.

1) No one ever said that you are turned away from the ER. That doesn’t somehow mean our healthcare system is good lol. It just meets a pretty simple requirement.

3) Our infrastructure system ranks 13th in the world. Obviously that’s bad. And yeah, our country definitely could benefit from an increase in speed for light rail. It doesn’t necessarily have to connect between major cities you doofus. You pretending this doesn’t matter just makes you sound like an idiot.

4) And yeah, poverty is a thing you fucking moron. Do you think a homeless person isn’t impoverished? How stupid are you? Why would eating out of garbage mean poverty isn’t a thing? Lol you are comical. I don’t think even you can explain what this free cellphone or $270 per month shit is. It’s probably just some non sense you heard on Fox News and then you decided it was real. You aren’t going to get jack shit from the government unless you can prove you are under the poverty line.

Nevermind the fact you skipped 2) altogether, but I'll address 3)

That's 13th out of 195 recognized countries in the world. We are essentially in the 90th percentile. So why lie about that?

 

[TemplarKormac]

I know you’re too stupid to understand nuance but you might as well let the adults talk about this subject instead, okay pumpkin?

You are absolutely THE last person to be lecturing anyone on adult behavior, okay pumpkin?

Pumpkin? Who the fuck says that?

 

[scruffy]

How about you be a man and provide your own sources? I provide data to back up my claims and all you douches can do is whine lol

The only reason the US might suck is because we have a bunch of communists walking around pretending they care about black people.

And the fucking DEMOCRATS support these assholes

 

[SweetSue92]

Republicans like to pretend that the US is the best country in the world in every way because they cannot stand the thought of other countries doing something better than us. However, the main flaws the US has are much of less of issues in other first world countries.

1) Our healthcare system is garbage with or without ObamaCare.

Republicans like to harp on ObamaCare and pretend that it is rhe reason why our system sucks, but when you ask them the simple of question of "well, was our system good before ObamaCare?", they will refuse to answer. Secretly they know that our healthcare system has always sucked but they will not admit that out loud. But hell, at least ACA improved it to some degree. Republicans secretly like the idea of their healthcare coverage not being denied because of pre-existing conditions, but its another thing they will not admit out loud. Obama came up with it so the knee jerk reaction is that it is terrible.

I also want to point out the myth that republicans have about other first world healthcare systems. They pretend that wait lists run rampant for basic care and that these people suffer. That's of course not true. Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Here's all the ways comparable, first world national healthcare systems are superior to the US's:

A. Life expectancy is better
B. Premature death rates are lower.
C. Less suffering with long term chronic diseases
D. Healthcare quality and access is far better
E. Maternal morality rates are better.
G. Hospital rates are lower for chronic diseases.
H. Post-operative complications are lower in prevalence.
I. Medication and procedure errors are lower.

And oh yeah, this is thanks to socialized medicine rather than shitty for-profit healthcare very few people can afford.

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite spending more money per capita on healthcare than any similarly large and wealthy nation, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and has seen worsening health outcomes since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. This chart collection combines various measures of...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

2. Infrastructure systems are better in comparable nations.

A. The US ranks 13th in infrastructure quality in the world.
B. Only 2% of our GDP spending goes to infrastructure.
C. Airports in other countries are better.
D. High speed rail in the US is half of the speed of comparable countries.
E. Internet connection is much better in other countries.
F. Our roads are shitty in comparison to these other nations. Traffic jams are less severe in such nations.

That's far from "American exceptionalism." Hell, Biden gets credit for at least passing a law making improvements even if it was not enough.



3. Gun violence in the US is far greater than in other countries like Australia, the UK, and Canada.

A. Mass shootings are far more common in the US than other politically stable countries.
B. Gun murders account for 79% of all murders in the US. In Canada it is 37%, Australia 13%, and the UK is 4%
C. Gun deaths per capita are FAR higher than in other countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

4) Wealth inequality is one of the worst in the world.

In 2020, the top 20% of the population earned 52.2% of all U.S. income. The median household income fell significantly for the first time since 2011 to $67,521. That's 2.9% down from 2019's number. The richest of the rich, the top 5%, earned 23% of all income.

The Cause of Income Inequality in America

U.S. income inequality has worsened significantly in the past 30 years. What does income inequality look like in the United States and what are the causes?

www.thebalance.com

5) Poverty rates are lower in other counties.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

Conclusion: America kind of sucks. I know inevitably the response I am going to get to this thread will be somewhere along the lines of "if you don't like it here, leave!" Well see the truth of the matter is that I think America is great in some ways and I would rather stay here and fix what is wrong with it.

Find a door. Use it. Bye

 

[monkrules]

If all the traitorous BLM scumbags and their supporters would leave, that would immediately solve probably 90 percent of America's "problems," including:

Brainless riots, arson, massive looting, huge numbers of murders, wholesale thievery, and countless other crimes.

As a bonus, the worthless whiners would never again have to deal with racism, white supremacy, white privilege, micro-aggressions, long lines at the welfare office, getting a job, having to bathe, having to make up idiotic slogans for their stupid marches.

If they'll just let us know when they're leaving we'll throw them the biggest, fanciest, Bon Voyage party the world has ever seen.

Hurry up, America Haters. Let's get this thing done!!!

 

[Big Bend Texas]

America has lots of problems. Most of them are or are caused by democrats.

Till the Democrats took a hard left this country had very few problems and we were working through all of them peacefully.

 

[Billy000]

Nevermind the fact you skipped 2) altogether, but I'll address 3)

That's 13th out of 195 recognized countries in the world. We are essentially in the 90th percentile. So why lie about that?

Lol where did I lie about that? The shit you say makes no sense.

 

[flacaltenn]

Republicans like to pretend that the US is the best country in the world in every way because they cannot stand the thought of other countries doing something better than us. However, the main flaws the US has are much of less of issues in other first world countries.

1) Our healthcare system is garbage with or without ObamaCare.

Republicans like to harp on ObamaCare and pretend that it is rhe reason why our system sucks, but when you ask them the simple of question of "well, was our system good before ObamaCare?", they will refuse to answer. Secretly they know that our healthcare system has always sucked but they will not admit that out loud. But hell, at least ACA improved it to some degree. Republicans secretly like the idea of their healthcare coverage not being denied because of pre-existing conditions, but its another thing they will not admit out loud. Obama came up with it so the knee jerk reaction is that it is terrible.

I also want to point out the myth that republicans have about other first world healthcare systems. They pretend that wait lists run rampant for basic care and that these people suffer. That's of course not true. Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Here's all the ways comparable, first world national healthcare systems are superior to the US's:

A. Life expectancy is better
B. Premature death rates are lower.
C. Less suffering with long term chronic diseases
D. Healthcare quality and access is far better
E. Maternal morality rates are better.
G. Hospital rates are lower for chronic diseases.
H. Post-operative complications are lower in prevalence.
I. Medication and procedure errors are lower.

And oh yeah, this is thanks to socialized medicine rather than shitty for-profit healthcare very few people can afford.

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite spending more money per capita on healthcare than any similarly large and wealthy nation, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and has seen worsening health outcomes since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. This chart collection combines various measures of...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

2. Infrastructure systems are better in comparable nations.

A. The US ranks 13th in infrastructure quality in the world.
B. Only 2% of our GDP spending goes to infrastructure.
C. Airports in other countries are better.
D. High speed rail in the US is half of the speed of comparable countries.
E. Internet connection is much better in other countries.
F. Our roads are shitty in comparison to these other nations. Traffic jams are less severe in such nations.

That's far from "American exceptionalism." Hell, Biden gets credit for at least passing a law making improvements even if it was not enough.



3. Gun violence in the US is far greater than in other countries like Australia, the UK, and Canada.

A. Mass shootings are far more common in the US than other politically stable countries.
B. Gun murders account for 79% of all murders in the US. In Canada it is 37%, Australia 13%, and the UK is 4%
C. Gun deaths per capita are FAR higher than in other countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

4) Wealth inequality is one of the worst in the world.

In 2020, the top 20% of the population earned 52.2% of all U.S. income. The median household income fell significantly for the first time since 2011 to $67,521. That's 2.9% down from 2019's number. The richest of the rich, the top 5%, earned 23% of all income.

The Cause of Income Inequality in America

U.S. income inequality has worsened significantly in the past 30 years. What does income inequality look like in the United States and what are the causes?

www.thebalance.com

5) Poverty rates are lower in other counties.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

Conclusion: America kind of sucks. I know inevitably the response I am going to get to this thread will be somewhere along the lines of "if you don't like it here, leave!" Well see the truth of the matter is that I think America is great in some ways and I would rather stay here and fix what is wrong with it.

Must be part of the reason for 76% polling saying America is on the wrong track. Which is understandable, because everything you mention was somewhat systemic BEFORE Brandon. But WITH Brandon, we get SELF-INFLICTED pain and suffering on top of it all.

What would think about a plan to Make America Great Again? I know it's crazy, but it's worth a try.

 

[flacaltenn]

Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Is that why the British Health keep patients in ambulances with the engines running so that there "ER times" look better? Not the only bureaucratic "innovation" to make "eh OK" look like 4 star service.

NHS patients dying in back of ambulances stuck outside A&E, report says

Exclusive: handover delays across England are also causing permanent harm to those needing urgent care

www.theguardian.com

It concluded that: “If these results from 4 January 2021, which was not an atypical day, are extrapolated across all handover delays that occur every day, the cases of potential harm could be as high as 160,000 patients affected a year.

“Of those, approximately 12,000 patients could potentially experience severe harm as a result of delayed handovers.”

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Is that why the British Health keep patients in ambulances with the engines running so that there "ER times" look better? Not the only bureaucratic "innovation" to make "eh OK" look like 4 star service.

NHS patients dying in back of ambulances stuck outside A&E, report says

Exclusive: handover delays across England are also causing permanent harm to those needing urgent care

www.theguardian.com

All of these ratings systems start off with universal gov't heathcare as the number one criteria, not quality, not results, not wait times not people dying of cancer and heart disease waiting to see specialists or get MRI's/CT's or access to specialists.

It's just another way to try and push universal gov't care on all of us.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lol where did I lie about that? The shit you say makes no sense.

You cited it as a reason why 'America kinda sucks', which is itself a lie.

And if nothing I say makes sense to you, well that's too bad. I'm not a fuggin' glossary. Go look up every small word that doesn't make sense to you. But don't feign ignorance with me. Got it?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

Over 80% of the population is covered by some form of health insurance so where is the vast majority that doesn't have access to these modern miracles in the US?

 

[Billy000]

You cited it as a reason why 'America kinda sucks', which is itself a lie.

And if nothing I say makes sense to you, well that's too bad. I'm not a fuggin' glossary. Go look up every small word that doesn't make sense to you. But don't feign ignorance with me. Got it?

All these things considered, yes, America kind of sucks. I mean the lie is definitely American exceptionalism. Is 13th place good enough for you?! That’s kind of crazy. I mean 13th place does suck even if numbers are lower lol

 

[Big Bend Texas]

All these things considered, yes, America kind of sucks. I mean the lie is definitely American exceptionalism. Is 13th place good enough for you?! That’s kind of crazy. I mean 13th place does suck even if numbers are lower lol

Why should we care where we rate on that fabricated scale?

We're not Europe, we don't want to be and never will be.

 

[Billy000]

Over 80% of the population is covered by some form of health insurance so where is the vast majority that doesn't have access to these modern miracles in the US?

As my source pointed out, accessibility for healthcare is higher in many other countries. The facts are what they are.

 

[TemplarKormac]

All these things considered, yes, America kind of sucks. I mean the lie is definitely American exceptionalism. Is 13th place good enough for you?! That’s kind of crazy. I mean 13th place does suck even if numbers are lower lol

Yeah, 13th isn't bad considering there are 182 countries worse than us. But then again, how many times did Trump want to pass actual infrastructure legislation during his term? How many times did Democrats reject him out of hand?

You tell me why we're in 13th place. You.

You had your chance to get what you wanted then. Infrastructure and Healthcare. Both were vehemently opposed by the Democratic Party.