Lets talk singer payer . you know the kind you leftwack want.

[Sunshine]

Other countries spend less per capita on healthcare because of a couple of reasons:

1. what they provide is inferior to what we have in the USA
2. Big pharma is ripping us off in the USA

I can't agree about pharma. They pay for most of the medical research in this country. The NIH only pays for about 10%. I was in practice during the Decade of the Brain. In that 10 years I saw more new psych meds come on the scene than had been produced from the time they first came about in the 50s.

drug patents should not last for 15 years, 2 years max, then get cheaper generics into the market. Do you really think it costs $15 to make one viagra pill? I know that will bring out the perverts, so bring it on.

Viagra was initially tested for the disease I have, pulmonary hypertension. When I was in Vanderbilt in 2011 I was on it 3 times a day. I am now on Adcirca which is the same thing, and it is so expensive that Vanderbilt doesn't even give it. If I want it when I got in I have to take my own. My Remodulin costs $100,000 per years. None of those drugs would exist if I waited for the government to fund the research. Those studies were paid for by pharma. PH is an orphan disease and the government would not even bother with it because there are so few of us who have it. Medicare also fights tooth and nail to keep from having to cover it. Thank God in heaven I was able to work long enough to get my retirement insurance.

SILVER SPRING, MD and RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, NC -- November 25, 2004 -- United Therapeutics Corporation (Nasdaq: UTHR) announced that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an approval letter for the intravenous use of Remodulin based on data establishing its bioequivalence with the previously approved subcutaneous administration of Remodulin. As a result of this approval of United Therapeutics' supplemental New Drug Application that was filed ten months ago, Remodulin is immediately available for commercial intravenous use.

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SILVER SPRING, Md., May 26, 2009 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX News Network/ -- United Therapeutics Corporation (Nasdaq: UTHR) announced today that the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved ADCIRCA(TM) (tadalafil) tablets for oral administration, with a recommended dose of 40 mg, as the first once-daily phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5) inhibitor for the treatment of pulmonary arterial hypertension (PAH). ADCIRCA is indicated to improve exercise ability in WHO Group I PAH patients, which encompasses patients with multiple forms of PAH including etiologies such as idiopathic and familial PAH as well as PAH associated with scleroderma and congenital heart disease.

United Therapeutics Corporation - FDA Approves ADCIRCA(Tadalafil) Tablets for the Treatment of Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension

I owe my life to United Therapeutics and my insurance company which pays for these expensive medicines, not to the federal government.

And for those not in the know, in order to be approved by the FDA all a drug has to do is beat placebo. That's it. If it gives you a stroke after it's on the market, no one blames the government for it. But the government is at least partially responsible.

The last entity that needs control of what drugs are developed and who gets them is the government.

As to pharma and their patents. Any company that spends 10 or 20 years and millions of dollars developing and testing a drug is entitled to make back that money and to realize a profit.

And FYI the effect of giving men boners was a SIDE EFFECT of Viagra, not the reason for it. Also FYI, Viagra is not a completely safe drug. There are some likely dire consequences of it and passing it out to every old man who can't get it up is not a wise thing to do. Even I take my chances with the Adcirca, but it is a very potent vasodilator and helps my PH.

 

[JoeB131]

I have to ask the question, what could possibly be in this drug that it costs 100K a year.

Sounds like you are getting seriously ripped off.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I have to ask the question, what could possibly be in this drug that it costs 100K a year.

Sounds like you are getting seriously ripped off.

Remodulin used for arthritis

my old auntie gets the treatments

it is a very very expensive treatment

easily 60k to 100 k range

oops meant remicade

 

[Sunshine]

I have to ask the question, what could possibly be in this drug that it costs 100K a year.

Sounds like you are getting seriously ripped off.

What I have is a very rare disease. United Therapeutics spent millions of dollars for a drug to treat only a few people. See post # 61. PH is an orphan disease. Millions of people do not have this disease, only a few hundfed thousand:

the number of patients in the United States is certainly in the hundreds of thousands, with many more who are undiagnosed.

http://www.thoracic.org/education/b...sources/chapter-17-pulmonary-hypertension.pdf

The companies can't recoup the cost of research in 'volume sales.' They likely do well just to break even on it. As of yet there is no completely effective oral medicine although the oral meds are good adjuncts along with the Remodulin or FLolan.

And it isn't just the medicine that costs money. The delivery of it is also a tremendous expense. There is a medication pump which requires a cassette change every other day for me, every day for some. In order to do a cassette change supplies include: Cassette, 2 50ml syringes, 1 5ml syringe, 5 feet of tubing, two bottles of diluent, and 3 vial adapters. Then there are the dressing change kits for the Hickman catheter, which includes swabs, a mask, and dressings. The dressing has to be changed weekly, more often if you get hot and sweaty which loosens the Tegaderm. And insurance gets a bargain with me. I don't have to have home health come in and do all this for me. I am a nurse and do my own cassette changes and Hickman catheter care.

You can't understand any of this because you are so fucking ignorant all you can understand is popping a pill or two. And you think that should be free. But many diseases are VERY expensive in terms of what it takes to treat them. The government doesn't bother with this disease. If it weren't for pharma those of us who have it would be dead in just a few months after diagnosis. So what's the point of giving us another year or two to retire and go take nature photos. We don't have long anyway. You know. What I'm getting is all that expensive 'end of life care' the government is so disapproving of.

There is some study going every time I go to Vanderbilt. I always consent for them to take blood for the studies. Those studies are NOT paid for by the government and doctors, nurses, labs, equipment and all the trappings required to do research are not free.

The cost of my medicine, pump, and all the supplies is $26,000 every 3 months. Paid for by my insurance. Medicare finds a loophole on almost everyone who has this disease, as it did on me. If the government gets control of this disease, those of us who have it will all die. And lucky it is that I am a nurse. The specialty pharmacy told me I am the only one who isn't letting the disease get in the way of what I want to do. As a nurse I know how to handle whatever happens if I'm away from home, and I don't have to depend on someone else to care for me.

Anyway the brothers on here tell me to die quickly one is quoted below. Ahhh, the loving and tolerant left. You all are disgusting. Every last lazy assed one of you.

 

[JoeB131]

Even hundreds of thousands, they could make their money back.

It really sounds a lot more like they know that the "Demand" is pretty desperate, so they can charge whatever they want for it.

Again, why Big Pharma needs to be regulated with extreme prejudice.

 

[Old Rocks]

Other countries spend less per capita on healthcare because of a couple of reasons:

1. what they provide is inferior to what we have in the USA
2. Big pharma is ripping us off in the USA

Yep, so inferior that they live longer healthier lives, and have a far lower infant mortality. You idiots are so silly, denying what is obvious to all.

 

[Old Rocks]

I have to ask the question, what could possibly be in this drug that it costs 100K a year.

Sounds like you are getting seriously ripped off.

Remodulin used for arthritis

my old auntie gets the treatments

it is a very very expensive treatment

easily 60k to 100 k range

oops meant remicade

How much of the research that developed this drug was paid for by the US Government?

 

[Sunshine]

Even hundreds of thousands, they could make their money back.

It really sounds a lot more like they know that the "Demand" is pretty desperate, so they can charge whatever they want for it.

Again, why Big Pharma needs to be regulated with extreme prejudice.

You are a vile piece of chicken shit. You have no idea how much medical research costs. And your policies would have already relegated me to the grave. Fuck you!

 

[Sunshine]

I have to ask the question, what could possibly be in this drug that it costs 100K a year.

Sounds like you are getting seriously ripped off.

Remodulin used for arthritis

my old auntie gets the treatments

it is a very very expensive treatment

easily 60k to 100 k range

oops meant remicade

How much of the research that developed this drug was paid for by the US Government?

None of it.

And the government is fighting approval of the oral version:

http://www.pharmalive.com/united-therapeutics-resubmits-oral-treprostinil-nda

 

[JoeB131]

Even hundreds of thousands, they could make their money back.

It really sounds a lot more like they know that the "Demand" is pretty desperate, so they can charge whatever they want for it.

Again, why Big Pharma needs to be regulated with extreme prejudice.

You are a vile piece of chicken shit. You have no idea how much medical research costs. And your policies would have already relegated me to the grave. Fuck you!

yeah, again, you are being ripped off by a big pharma company- or Medicare is- and you're upset with me?

Really?

 

[Sunshine]

Even hundreds of thousands, they could make their money back.

It really sounds a lot more like they know that the "Demand" is pretty desperate, so they can charge whatever they want for it.

Again, why Big Pharma needs to be regulated with extreme prejudice.

You are a vile piece of chicken shit. You have no idea how much medical research costs. And your policies would have already relegated me to the grave. Fuck you!

yeah, again, you are being ripped off by a big pharma company- or Medicare is- and you're upset with me?

Really?

You are so damned stupid. You didn't even read my post. Much of the cost isn't for the medication but for the supplies to administer the medication. Many medicines themselves cost no less than the Remodulin. And United Therapeutics does not supply the medicine, the 3 functioning pumps I have to have at all times nor the other supplies, the specialty pharmacy which is under contract by my insurance company supplies all of it. The cost has been negotiated.

A vial of Remodulin costs $3,000. Each vial has 6 doses in it. There are many medicines that cost far more. Cancer chemotherapy for example.

And the government is fighting an oral version:

http://www.pharmalive.com/united-therapeutics-resubmits-oral-treprostinil-nda

 

[Political Junky]

Drugs cost quite a lot less in countries with single payer, too.

 

[JoeB131]

Drugs cost quite a lot less in countries with single payer, too.

Shhhh.... don't tell them that.. unless you want to hear a bunch of stuff about "Socialism" and "Freedom".

 

[bravoactual]

There still over Forty Million (40,000,000) Americans who cannot afford Health Care.

Companies crossing state lines would in no way effect ability of the Americans who cannot afford Health Care to buy Health Care.

So many sound bites, so few real ideas.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Am I too late to suggest ...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSRk0suazA]The Medicare Song - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Remodulin used for arthritis

my old auntie gets the treatments

it is a very very expensive treatment

easily 60k to 100 k range

oops meant remicade

How much of the research that developed this drug was paid for by the US Government?

None of it.

And the government is fighting approval of the oral version:

United Therapeutics Resubmits Oral Treprostinil NDA | Pharmalive

Remicade in other countries - Crohn's Disease Forum - Support group and forum for Crohn's Disease, Ulcerative Colitis, and other IBD
100% covered in France by the national plan.

Talk to your insurance company about how to get them to pay for the Remicade sold by its local European distributor -- it could be directly, through an independent pharmacy, through a travel insurance agency or through the clinic/hospital where the infusion is given.

The poster includes that link but here it is -

Travel insurance - Crohn's Disease Forum - Support group and forum for Crohn's Disease, Ulcerative Colitis, and other IBD

Do a search. You may not have to pay US prices.