Levin: Repeal the 17th Amendment

[NYcarbineer]

You confuse yourself. States Rights versus Federal Rights? They are not the same and do not bind the entire nation for their actions.

Secondly, PURE DEMOCRACY............................

For the Nth time, we are a Republic, NOT A PURE DEMOCRACY.

According to conservatives, states are sovereign entities, which makes them effective nation-states. Why would your principles of governance apply to the country, but not the state? Is the state mob somehow nicer than the national mob?? lol

A referendum is direct democracy. It is letting the mob directly vote on laws. Conservatives love referendums, but they hate direct democracy.

Reconcile that contradiction.

Riddle me this..............................

A neighborhood association has a set of rules in place to live in that particular neighborhood. aka You can't have a junkyard on your property or whatever. Under your position THEY ARE THE MOB................ but they are a LOCAL MOB............... yet they mostly agree that the association does more good than harm in their particular case.

But another neighborhood across the country believes they are wrong to impose these rules. In that neighborhood there is no association. So does that neighborhood have the right to enforce it's ideals on a neighborhood on the other side of the country?

Libs might think so, but I certainly don't. Which is the exact reason State Rights should handle local issues locally. But the Feds don't want this. They want to tell States what they can and can't do. While they do have this authority under the Constitution, they Have ABUSED IT.

So, the States have the right to say enough is enough and fight back. Problem being it would have to be on an issue both neighborhoods agree on.

So when does MOB RULE start to be a problem?

If a sufficient majority of states were to pass an amendment to end the direct election of Senators,

are they not tyrannizing the minority of states who disagree?

 

[PrometheusBound]

Have at it.

You "believe" ? I think its quite obvious that is fact! Everything the Republicans do is motivated by winning at any cost to democracy. Heck - a lot of them don't even think we should have a democracy. Republicans believe - and are correct - that if they limit the power of the American voter, they will be better positioned.

Poop, we DON'T have a democracy, 100% mob rule. I realize that, because you're an ignorant vagina on legs, you have been duped into believing that democracy, aka mob rule, is a GOOD thing, but it's not.

The one thing you're right about - is that Republicans DO wish to limit and hinder your ideal of democracy, aka mob rule. .

So we, the people, are a snarling greedy mob? Sounds more like a Wall Street street gang to me. Why do you expect us to accept your definition of us and not go after you, now that we know you are enemies of the people? Your dream world is where we all crawl in the dirt you kick it on our faces and whimper, "Give us some more of your precious dust, Master. We born losers deserve that, instead of food."

 

[NYcarbineer]

You confuse yourself. States Rights versus Federal Rights? They are not the same and do not bind the entire nation for their actions.

Secondly, PURE DEMOCRACY............................

For the Nth time, we are a Republic, NOT A PURE DEMOCRACY.

According to conservatives, states are sovereign entities, which makes them effective nation-states. Why would your principles of governance apply to the country, but not the state? Is the state mob somehow nicer than the national mob?? lol

A referendum is direct democracy. It is letting the mob directly vote on laws. Conservatives love referendums, but they hate direct democracy.

Reconcile that contradiction.

Riddle me this..............................

A neighborhood association has a set of rules in place to live in that particular neighborhood. aka You can't have a junkyard on your property or whatever. Under your position THEY ARE THE MOB................ but they are a LOCAL MOB............... yet they mostly agree that the association does more good than harm in their particular case.

But another neighborhood across the country believes they are wrong to impose these rules. In that neighborhood there is no association. So does that neighborhood have the right to enforce it's ideals on a neighborhood on the other side of the country?

Libs might think so, but I certainly don't. Which is the exact reason State Rights should handle local issues locally. But the Feds don't want this. They want to tell States what they can and can't do. While they do have this authority under the Constitution, they Have ABUSED IT.

So, the States have the right to say enough is enough and fight back. Problem being it would have to be on an issue both neighborhoods agree on.

The population of California is ten times that of the 13 original states at the time of the ratifying of the Constitution.

If the founders hated direct democracy so much when there were 3 million people, and since conservatives carry on this hatred of direct democracy to this day, as is evidenced in this thread,

WHY did conservatives love the CA conservative propositions, since they are perfect examples of direct democracy?

Why did conservatives then also throw a fit when the CA court struck down Prop 8? Why did conservatives complain about 'unelected' judges thwarting the 'will of the People'?

 

[RKMBrown]

You "believe" ? I think its quite obvious that is fact! Everything the Republicans do is motivated by winning at any cost to democracy. Heck - a lot of them don't even think we should have a democracy. Republicans believe - and are correct - that if they limit the power of the American voter, they will be better positioned.

Poop, we DON'T have a democracy, 100% mob rule. I realize that, because you're an ignorant vagina on legs, you have been duped into believing that democracy, aka mob rule, is a GOOD thing, but it's not.

The one thing you're right about - is that Republicans DO wish to limit and hinder your ideal of democracy, aka mob rule. .

So we, the people, are a snarling greedy mob? Sounds more like a Wall Street street gang to me. Why do you expect us to accept your definition of us and not go after you, now that we know you are enemies of the people? Your dream world is where we all crawl in the dirt you kick it on our faces and whimper, "Give us some more of your precious dust, Master. We born losers deserve that, instead of food."

You born losers don't deserve anything. You want food? Get a job.

 

[PrometheusBound]

It won't be too long before the federal government becomes so tyrannical and unresponsive to the people, that the states will use their Article V powers to bypass them and call for a Constitution themselves, and ratify it without Congress's approval.

What will you Progressives do when the Citizens bypass your Big Gov and dissolve it?




See that part in bold text? It was an emergency measure intended for this very nightmare scenario, when the Federal Government became too large and tyrannical. The States could simply dissolve it, regardless of Big Gov's input.

Yeah right, I can see state senators and assemblyman all over the country going to their constituencies and saying,

hey, sorry, but we don't think you people are smart enough to choose your senators so we're going to take that power away from you and!

we politicians in your state capital are going to give that power to US!!!

because afterall, you should know by now how much smarter than you we politicians are.

lolol.

Talk about handing their opponents in the next election a golden issue on a silver platter.

An armed man is a Citizen, a disarmed man is a slave.

There will come a time when the Citizens will restore the Republic, and the Slaves and their Masters will become irrelevant. That will happen when the Citizens call a Convention and dissolve the Federal Government.

The fact that you yellow Rednecks support tough-talking draftdodgers like Ted Nugent and the Republicans proves that you will never fight and are full of hot air. No real man would ever tolerate the spoiled class of guillotine fodder who had their Daddies get them out of fighting Commies. So no matter how many rifles you wave in the air, you too are gutless pukes and nothing for democrats to be afraid of.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Most citizens in the US are unarmed. Most of the free world is unarmed. They are far from slaves and do not live in fear

Your second fantasy is that those armed citizens would have the desire or capability to take over a country

There is no free world outside of the United States, even Great Britain is under the dominion of the Crown.

 

[PrometheusBound]

.....

time for a new Republican party that talks like adults

"We must stop being the stupid party. It’s time for a new Republican party that talks like adults. It’s time for us to articulate our plans and visions for America in real terms. We had a number of Republicans damage the brand this year with offensive and bizarre comments. We’ve had enough of that.

We must stop insulting the intelligence of voters. We need to trust the smarts of the American people. We have to stop dumbing down our ideas and stop reducing everything to mindless slogans and tag lines for 30-second ads. "
- Governor Bobby Jindal

Full text: Bobby Jindal?s dynamite speech to the Republican National Committee in Charlotte | WashingtonExaminer.com

- a new Republican party that talks like adults

- damage the brand this year with offensive and bizarre comments

- stop insulting the intelligence of voters

- stop dumbing down our ideas

- stop reducing everything to mindless slogans and tag lines

- We’ve had enough of that

Bobby Jindal didn't refer to "offensive and bizarre comments" as damaging the brand of "the "stupid party" for nothing!

Won't be long before the lead spews.

At Virginia Techs all over the country if you don't quit pushing your Class Supremacy of the 1%. The vast majority of the unprivileged younger generation have no future to look forward to.

 

[NYcarbineer]

California Proposition 8 = Direct Democracy (the concept hated by Mark Levin and you people)

Appeals Courts that ruled against Prop 8 = Judges appointed/approved by elected officials (similar to how Levin, and you people - you know who you people are - want the Senate to be appointed)

So, who should have the final say?

The sensibly appointed judges, or the Mob?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I don't think there is a drive to repeal the 17th amendment. It's just a pipe dream of the anti-democratic extremist right. Such talk makes them look even nuttier. A sure-fire way to lose an election is to tell voters that you are taking away their right to vote.

It is a surprise that the people who claim to be most for freedom would take away an individual's right to choose how to be governed and instead put it in the hands of Big Gubmint.

Toro, the Lover of the Federal Reserve.

Guys, says something against the Federal Reserve now that Toro is here.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Translation into what? Klingon?

The rule of law is the law of the rulers. I don't have to respect some oligarchic manifesto written behind closed doors in the 18th Century and ratified by state oligarchies.

THis is what Libtards think of the Founding Fathers, screenshoting this.

 

[rightwinger]

Most citizens in the US are unarmed. Most of the free world is unarmed. They are far from slaves and do not live in fear

Your second fantasy is that those armed citizens would have the desire or capability to take over a country

There is no free world outside of the United States, even Great Britain is under the dominion of the Crown.

Good god....are you ever bizarre

Thank god, nobody takes people like you seriously, we just ridicule you

 

[The2ndAmendment]

California Proposition 8 = Direct Democracy (the concept hated by Mark Levin and you people)

Appeals Courts that ruled against Prop 8 = Judges appointed/approved by elected officials (similar to how Levin, and you people - you know who you people are - want the Senate to be appointed)

So, who should have the final say?

The sensibly appointed judges, or the Mob?

Why don't you read the 3,000 to 4,000 pages of documents on this particular issue contained in the Ratification Debates, Conventions, Federalist Papers and other sources?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Most citizens in the US are unarmed. Most of the free world is unarmed. They are far from slaves and do not live in fear

Your second fantasy is that those armed citizens would have the desire or capability to take over a country

There is no free world outside of the United States, even Great Britain is under the dominion of the Crown.

Good god....are you ever bizarre

Thank god, nobody takes people like you seriously, we just ridicule you

Are you claiming that the Crown of the United Kingdom is an elaborate hoax?

 

[PrometheusBound]

Oh the irony.

Do you realize that the same crowd here that is decrying direct elections of Senators as Mob Rule!!!!!!!!!

and evoking of course all the negative images that phrase carries,

these are the same people that believe that if the government isn't pleasing the People, aka the Mob,

then those People have the God given right to take up arms storm the barricades drag their leaders out into the street and hang them from the nearest tree,

preferably the Tree of Liberty,

and form a new government!!! That's their sacred right, but being able to vote for a Senator,

omg that's Mob Rule!!!!!!!!!!

lol.

So imagine this scenario...your state legislators vote to take your right to vote for senators away from you, and give it to themselves,

and in response, the People declare it Tyranny!!!!!! and rise up in revolt!!!!!!!!

Whose side will you nuts be on??? Whose side will God be on???

lolol

Well, you are just full of laughter. Your quite the happy fellow..................

And you still can't see the forest for the trees. Many are pushing for a return to the Founders Principles of Checks and Balances. Scott doesn't matter in that issue. The Founders were some very smart people, which is exactly why they allowed the State Legislatures to select the Senators. It was exactly why they let these legislatures put a Senator on a leash.

It is a Check on Senators themselves. Again, the people ELECT THE STATE REPS. So they still have a voice in it. Senators would be hard pressed to abuse their powers when their State Legislature is watching them. aka They could be recalled. Which was what the Founders Intended.

It's pretty obvious why the Founding Fodder appeased the state legislators with this bribe of getting to appoint senators. The legislators were the only ones who could ratify this anti-democratic manifesto that proclaimed its supremacy over the common people's will.

Go on, goon. Keep exposing your nastiness, drooling conceit, and hatred of the majority, while at the same time praising the Founding Fodder as divinely inspired. People will then make the connection that the Framers were just like you.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

The vast majority of the unprivileged younger generation have no future to look forward to.

Well that can't be the fault of Libertarians and Constitutionalists, because we haven't been in power since 1913.

 

[The T]

And With as well Liberals masquerading as defenders of the Republic with an R by their name...forthwith shall be known as Repubicans with the likes of Boehner, McLame, Lindsay Grahamnesty, to name a couple...leading the parade.

They re sickening...

The old guard GOP establishment reminds me the the 900 year old Knight charged with Guarding the Holy Grail in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade".
The Knight would fiercely guard the Grail and fend off any would be thief or treasure hunter. He's so old however, he can barely lift his sword. The problem is and read closely, no one has been able to replace the old Knight.
So goes the way of politics here. no one has been able to replace the old guard GOP. A group of people who's only purpose is get re-elected.

The new guard GOP is more frightening than the old guard

That would presuppose that you fear the Founders...and by logic fear the people that want the Constitution restored.

WHY do you loathe this Republic called America? Why do you wish it to be something it was never intended to be?

 

[eagle1462010]

Oh the irony.

Do you realize that the same crowd here that is decrying direct elections of Senators as Mob Rule!!!!!!!!!

and evoking of course all the negative images that phrase carries,

these are the same people that believe that if the government isn't pleasing the People, aka the Mob,

then those People have the God given right to take up arms storm the barricades drag their leaders out into the street and hang them from the nearest tree,

preferably the Tree of Liberty,

and form a new government!!! That's their sacred right, but being able to vote for a Senator,

omg that's Mob Rule!!!!!!!!!!

lol.

So imagine this scenario...your state legislators vote to take your right to vote for senators away from you, and give it to themselves,

and in response, the People declare it Tyranny!!!!!! and rise up in revolt!!!!!!!!

Whose side will you nuts be on??? Whose side will God be on???

lolol

Well, you are just full of laughter. Your quite the happy fellow..................

And you still can't see the forest for the trees. Many are pushing for a return to the Founders Principles of Checks and Balances. Scott doesn't matter in that issue. The Founders were some very smart people, which is exactly why they allowed the State Legislatures to select the Senators. It was exactly why they let these legislatures put a Senator on a leash.

It is a Check on Senators themselves. Again, the people ELECT THE STATE REPS. So they still have a voice in it. Senators would be hard pressed to abuse their powers when their State Legislature is watching them. aka They could be recalled. Which was what the Founders Intended.

It's pretty obvious why the Founding Fodder appeased the state legislators with this bribe of getting to appoint senators. The legislators were the only ones who could ratify this anti-democratic manifesto that proclaimed its supremacy over the common people's will.

Go on, goon. Keep exposing your nastiness, drooling conceit, and hatred of the majority, while at the same time praising the Founding Fodder as divinely inspired. People will then make the connection that the Framers were just like you.

aka The Founders did it for Bribes.

LOL

Nice try. No dice.

Founding Fodder.............Shows you want a Pure Democracy and not a Republic.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

The new guard GOP is more frightening than the old guard

That would presuppose that you fear the Founders...and by logic fear the people that want the Constitution restored.

WHY do you loathe this Republic called America? Why do you wish it to be something it was never intended to be?

Well of course, even the DHS has said home-grown Libertarians and Constitutionalists are a greater terrorist threat than AL Qaeda!

 

[The T]

The new guard GOP is more frightening than the old guard

That would presuppose that you fear the Founders...and by logic fear the people that want the Constitution restored.

WHY do you loathe this Republic called America? Why do you wish it to be something it was never intended to be?

Well of course, even the DHS has said home-grown Libertarians and Constitutionalists are a greater terrorist threat than AL Qaeda!

Indeed. That's because they know whom their bosses are and fear us as the Founders stated it should be...as a matter of course the political elitists have to demagogue those they serve in hopes we'll just sit down and shut up.

It ain't gonna happen now or ever.

 

[francoHFW]

Mark Levin is a bought off tool of the greedy idiot racist bloated rich BS GOP, end of story- the perfect hero of ignorant "constitutionalist" fringe dingbats.