Leviticus 18-20, yes or no?

The problem here is the US went to this point, had black people excluded from businesses because they were black. It's not right.
The difference is that Blacks couldn't go into the business at all. This is different from someone going into a business and asking for something the business doesn't provide. The easiest example is the bakery: No one is denying anyone a cake available to anyone else. They are denying the type of cake they would deny to anyone else, too. As for photography: I am merely an amateur photographer, but if the subject doesn't truly interest me, that reflects in my work. For example, house cats. If you are paying someone to photograph a special event, you want someone enthusiastic about it.

I've done a few weddings for friends/family. The one where everyone arrived under the influence and proceeded from there is some of my worst work ever.

Well, clearly the bakers did provide the ability for people to personalize their cakes.

You are an amateur. If you weren't, if it were your business, you'd have to adhere to certain laws.

Now, there are ways to get around such laws without coming across as homophobic, but these bakers didn't do this.
 
The reality is we're dealing with HYPOCRISY. People will be hypocrites, other people will point out to the rest of the world that they're hypocrites. They're allowed to be hypocrites.
The reality is that we're dealing with personal standards. When I am marching to a different drummer, I cannot expect everyone or even anyone to fall into step with me.

As I said before, get the cake to the point the baker is able to go. The finishing touches shouldn't be a problem, so don't make it one.

The problem here is there is a standard, you sign up to it when you make a business in the US, because the US doesn't want the problems of the past.
 
They're allowed to look at Leviticus 18 and be like "the Bible is always right", and they're allowed to look at Leviticus 20 and be like "we don't take the Bible literally all the time".
I think you know that the Bible is complex--and even contradictory. People are more so. Hypocrisy can also be the insistence on having things all one's way--while not respecting the same for another person. In such situations, compromise is the answer. I think you know there are bakeries who don't mind who the the couple being wed are. That's one option. If the heart is set on a particular bakery, then compromise so both sets of principles are respected.

The problem is that certain groups of Christians are pushing for them to have religious freedoms ABOVE anyone else's freedoms.
 
Do you know what they call people who demands the right to tell people who to vote for? Fascist. Idea! If you do no like a certain candidate......DON'T VOTE FOR HE/SHE. This is a representative republic.......not a socialist democracy. The "majority" reserves the right to establish morality.......not special interest group minorities. When the majority cease to reserve that right.......you no longer are living in a free state. If you want the perverted act of homosexuality to be accepted mainstream, get a majority of your fellow citizens to accept it as such. All the rights in this republic have came about through the will of the MAJORITY.......not one law, not one civil right has been enacted void of majority acceptance. The only law that defies the ideology comes from rouge judges who draft law from the bench.

Homosexuality does not reserve the right to declare it deserves "special" treatment for the type of sex they decide to engage.

All sexual acts are engaged by CHOICE.....if not YOU HAVE JUST BEEN RAPED. Homosexuals are not a RACE of PEOPLES, its simply a mental disorder where sexual development has been retarded......in other words homosexuals never mature in psychological manner.

Why is the ordinary man or woman opposed to homosexual activity? There is any number of logical and reasonable problems associated with same sex activity.

1. When someone opposes the condemnation of homosexuality the homosexual supporters call that a defense of belief. When a Christian opposes homosexuality.........its called HATE.

2. Scientific Study after Study reveals that homosexuality can take 3 decades off the lifespan of an average human being. Whether male or female. Funny these same people who defend homosexuality make a great outcry concerning the free will choice of using tobacco products which on average takes 7-10 years from the human lifespan.....where are all the liberals pointing out how dangerous it is to engage in same sex relationships?

3. Another study from the CDC (the center for disease control) determined that sexually transmitted disease such as AIDS......is transmitted in the homosexual community at a 50x greater rate than with heterosexual relationships.

4. Logic and Reason. Homosexuality is not how the human reproduction system was designed. The human body was designed for heterosexual intercourse. All homosexuals must find a way to imitate natures design to find sexual release. Nature defines itself.........people are born about 1/2 male and 1/2 female for a reason, if one or the other genders declined from this natural ratio....the human race would soon become extinct.

5. The only thing that homosexuals care about are emotional releases ...i.e., self pleasure even to the point of pretending LOVE to garner these pleasures. Homosexual couples rarely last in a so called monogamous relationship.....some say, "Oh, we just believe in an open relationship...." Yeah right...........

6. Personally.........I do not care how anyone gets their "jolly's" ...........but please don't urinate down my back and then tell me to relax ITS ONLY RAIN.

Minorities are often protected from majorities.
The problem being is the fact that homosexuals demand the right to claim that they deserve the same protections as "other" races of people....when in reality homosexuals are made up of all races of people with the only defining difference being the type of sex they choose to engage.

The choice of sex is not a civil right..........you don't need sex to live yet they demand SPECIAL TREATMENT from the rest of society. You don't need sex to find shelter, food, healthcare treatment, employment etc., Sex is a free will choice, as I stated before if its not......you have just been raped. Homosexuality is a choice.......sex is not required to sustain life only reproduce life.

Personally I would have no problem with classifying those who choose to engage in sex with the same gender.....as SPECIAL, they deserve the same rights ad do all handicapped individuals. Special license plates states "this individual is homosexually challenged".......special parking places....special lines to vote....etc.,

Anyone that states that its NORMAL to place a round peg into a square hole has some issues.

Other "races"?? I have never seen anything remotely like that.
What? Is homosexuality dedicated to only one certain RACE OF PEOPLES? Of course not; homosexuals exist within every race of humans. The Homosexuality community (those who CHOOSE to engage in sex with the same gender) are requesting civil rights protection that are reserved for true minorities based upon race, demanding equal rights as if homosexuality is a distinct subgroup of humanity when in reality homosexuality is based upon a freewill choice (choosing to engage in sex with the same gender). As said before, if you are not engaging in sex FREELY you are a victim of rape.

Homosexuality cannot be protected as a civil right because its entirely defined by the act of sex which is a choice not a condition. You will not die if you do not have sex, you will not starve if you do not have sex, you will not go homeless if you do not have sex, you will not go without a job if you do not have sex.............yada, yada, yada..............

Just how does anyone other than yourself know your sexual choices..........UNLESS.........you freely choose to divulge that information and flaunt it publicly.......and then claim that others are "INVADING YOUR PRIVACY"? Thus the old axiom, "Don't piss down my back and then attempt to tell me that its raining........".

THE LGBT(Queer) community is one of the most militant special groups in the nation. Observe the way they organize, march, and protest........little Hitlers attempting to force feed American Citizens their choice of Social more's. in pretension that they are mirroring TRUE CIVIL RIGHTS movement such as captained by great men/women such as MLK and Rosa Parks for the black community, Susan B. Anthony who fought for Womens rights....etc.

Its all a big stage show for these PRETENDERS.....its all about the emotional need that requires ATTENTION.
 
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Do you know what they call people who demands the right to tell people who to vote for? Fascist. Idea! If you do no like a certain candidate......DON'T VOTE FOR HE/SHE. This is a representative republic.......not a socialist democracy. The "majority" reserves the right to establish morality.......not special interest group minorities. When the majority cease to reserve that right.......you no longer are living in a free state. If you want the perverted act of homosexuality to be accepted mainstream, get a majority of your fellow citizens to accept it as such. All the rights in this republic have came about through the will of the MAJORITY.......not one law, not one civil right has been enacted void of majority acceptance. The only law that defies the ideology comes from rouge judges who draft law from the bench.

Homosexuality does not reserve the right to declare it deserves "special" treatment for the type of sex they decide to engage.

All sexual acts are engaged by CHOICE.....if not YOU HAVE JUST BEEN RAPED. Homosexuals are not a RACE of PEOPLES, its simply a mental disorder where sexual development has been retarded......in other words homosexuals never mature in psychological manner.

Why is the ordinary man or woman opposed to homosexual activity? There is any number of logical and reasonable problems associated with same sex activity.

1. When someone opposes the condemnation of homosexuality the homosexual supporters call that a defense of belief. When a Christian opposes homosexuality.........its called HATE.

2. Scientific Study after Study reveals that homosexuality can take 3 decades off the lifespan of an average human being. Whether male or female. Funny these same people who defend homosexuality make a great outcry concerning the free will choice of using tobacco products which on average takes 7-10 years from the human lifespan.....where are all the liberals pointing out how dangerous it is to engage in same sex relationships?

3. Another study from the CDC (the center for disease control) determined that sexually transmitted disease such as AIDS......is transmitted in the homosexual community at a 50x greater rate than with heterosexual relationships.

4. Logic and Reason. Homosexuality is not how the human reproduction system was designed. The human body was designed for heterosexual intercourse. All homosexuals must find a way to imitate natures design to find sexual release. Nature defines itself.........people are born about 1/2 male and 1/2 female for a reason, if one or the other genders declined from this natural ratio....the human race would soon become extinct.

5. The only thing that homosexuals care about are emotional releases ...i.e., self pleasure even to the point of pretending LOVE to garner these pleasures. Homosexual couples rarely last in a so called monogamous relationship.....some say, "Oh, we just believe in an open relationship...." Yeah right...........

6. Personally.........I do not care how anyone gets their "jolly's" ...........but please don't urinate down my back and then tell me to relax ITS ONLY RAIN.

Minorities are often protected from majorities.
The problem being is the fact that homosexuals demand the right to claim that they deserve the same protections as "other" races of people....when in reality homosexuals are made up of all races of people with the only defining difference being the type of sex they choose to engage.

The choice of sex is not a civil right..........you don't need sex to live yet they demand SPECIAL TREATMENT from the rest of society. You don't need sex to find shelter, food, healthcare treatment, employment etc., Sex is a free will choice, as I stated before if its not......you have just been raped. Homosexuality is a choice.......sex is not required to sustain life only reproduce life.

Personally I would have no problem with classifying those who choose to engage in sex with the same gender.....as SPECIAL, they deserve the same rights ad do all handicapped individuals. Special license plates states "this individual is homosexually challenged".......special parking places....special lines to vote....etc.,

Anyone that states that its NORMAL to place a round peg into a square hole has some issues.

Other "races"?? I have never seen anything remotely like that.
What? Is homosexuality dedicated to only one certain RACE OF PEOPLES? Of course not; homosexuals exist within every race of humans. The Homosexuality community (those who CHOOSE to engage in sex with the same gender) are requesting civil rights protection that are reserved for true minorities based upon race, demanding equal rights as if homosexuality is a distinct subgroup of humanity when in reality homosexuality is based upon a freewill choice (choosing to engage in sex with the same gender). As said before, if you are not engaging in sex FREELY you are a victim of rape.

Homosexuality cannot be protected as a civil right because its entirely defined by the act of sex which is a choice not a condition. You will not die if you do not have sex, you will not starve if you do not have sex, you will not go homeless if you do not have sex, you will not go without a job if you do not have sex.............yada, yada, yada..............

Just how does anyone other than yourself know your sexual choices..........UNLESS.........you freely choose to divulge that information and flaunt it publicly.......and then claim that others are "INVADING YOUR PRIVACY"?

THE LGBT(Queer) community is one of the most militant special groups in the nation. Observe the way they organize, march, and protest........little Hitlers attempting to force feed American Citizens their choice of Social More's.

How do homosexuals affect your life?
 
I'm tired of hearing so much about sex...it's gotten to the point of ridiculousness.
Why here in Nashville TN the latest country music song is "All My Exes Have Changed Their Sexes".

Whatever....

Being a Christian is about letting God/Jesus supply the definition to your life and give it meaning instead of society trying to cram one down your throat that is self absorbed and filled with moral turpitude.

I want a life filled with altruism and a positive legacy of that which goes beyond my lifespan because the following generations need to know how to be successful and where to find out how. Obviously some people in the past have been neglectful because these days children (and adults in this forum) seem to know all about contraceptives and how they are to be used and scientific effectiveness rates but can't tell you the first thing about basic economic principles. (Very very basic) or even what a gazebo is without using Google.
Most American adults have no clue as to why the Civil War was fought by people who didn't own slaves, never wanted to, and never would on the side of the South.

And the story of America's true first foreign missionary of a man named George Lyle. He was truly successful and welcomed by everyone everywhere he went. (Except for the colonialists)

These are the "inconvenient" truths of American life these days. This militant pushing for unhealthy, self-serving and indulgent lifestyles is going to be the end of the USA. It just is. The USA has become the greatest nation because of its ability to get along and work together towards positive goals which are moral...not catering to small, insignificant immoral groups.

We have, in the past, cared for those we disagree with...with true compassion. Not with handouts or making anyone a "special citizen" but with meaningful assistance so that a person's self respect could be maintained.

Being sexually immoral or perverse is not the same as a disability or something to be heralded...but you would think so by the way the "alphabet" group wants you to.
 
One last point... Jesus never "did away" with the Old Testament Law...not even the slightest law. He fulfilled and embodied it.

And if you don't understand why in Old Testament times that a shrimp cocktail and ham sandwich was wicked but today it isn't....then you really don't understand the first thing about God and need a real education.
 
Those businesses that provided services to gay weddings would face boycotts from local citizens, not the government
Are you talking about very small towns? I live in a small city, where I am sure people are getting married every weekend. Who they are hiring for the event doesn't even hit the radar of the average citizen.
Are you in a small evangelical town where the upcoming gay wedding will be discussed at service?
They have a lot of influence
 
I don't put too much stock in any book that discriminates against people.

the main reason Christians don't like homosexuality is that it means there will be fewer little Christians in the world
 
I cannot believe that in 2021 gay people and their allies are still WHINING about Christians not baking them a cake.

Reverse this.

Imagine Christians going into bakeries owned by gay people and WHINING that they won't bake us a cake with verses with Leviticus on them.

Seriously, what utter whiners. Some people don't like what you do. WAAAHHH so what. Buck up, children, and live with it. Not everyone has to "celebrate". God knows (literally) that not everyone celebrates what I do.

ETA: to be clear, I would NEVER, EVER ask a gay person to bake me a cake with Bible verses on it that I know would offend him/her. Because that's a jerk move.

When in doubt, don't be a jerk!
 
Are you in a small evangelical town where the upcoming gay wedding will be discussed at service?
They have a lot of influence
Do not live in a small town; am not Evangelical. Weddings (other than the Wedding Feast at Cana) are never discussed at Mass.
 
Are you in a small evangelical town where the upcoming gay wedding will be discussed at service?
They have a lot of influence
Do not live in a small town; am not Evangelical. Weddings (other than the Wedding Feast at Cana) are never discussed at Mass.
Actually the Lord's Supper has strong "marriage" allusions to it. As in the bride of Christ (the church) being married to God.

So does the line "I go to prepare a place for you"

There's literally tons of marriage allusions and references made by Jesus when speaking to his followers.
 
I don't put too much stock in any book that discriminates against people.

the main reason Christians don't like homosexuality is that it means there will be fewer little Christians in the world
No...not correct in the slightest way.

We don't like it because it's against God...a sin that is internal in nature. It's self serving and prideful.
 
Do you know what they call people who demands the right to tell people who to vote for? Fascist. Idea! If you do no like a certain candidate......DON'T VOTE FOR HE/SHE. This is a representative republic.......not a socialist democracy. The "majority" reserves the right to establish morality.......not special interest group minorities. When the majority cease to reserve that right.......you no longer are living in a free state. If you want the perverted act of homosexuality to be accepted mainstream, get a majority of your fellow citizens to accept it as such. All the rights in this republic have came about through the will of the MAJORITY.......not one law, not one civil right has been enacted void of majority acceptance. The only law that defies the ideology comes from rouge judges who draft law from the bench.

Homosexuality does not reserve the right to declare it deserves "special" treatment for the type of sex they decide to engage.

All sexual acts are engaged by CHOICE.....if not YOU HAVE JUST BEEN RAPED. Homosexuals are not a RACE of PEOPLES, its simply a mental disorder where sexual development has been retarded......in other words homosexuals never mature in psychological manner.

Why is the ordinary man or woman opposed to homosexual activity? There is any number of logical and reasonable problems associated with same sex activity.

1. When someone opposes the condemnation of homosexuality the homosexual supporters call that a defense of belief. When a Christian opposes homosexuality.........its called HATE.

2. Scientific Study after Study reveals that homosexuality can take 3 decades off the lifespan of an average human being. Whether male or female. Funny these same people who defend homosexuality make a great outcry concerning the free will choice of using tobacco products which on average takes 7-10 years from the human lifespan.....where are all the liberals pointing out how dangerous it is to engage in same sex relationships?

3. Another study from the CDC (the center for disease control) determined that sexually transmitted disease such as AIDS......is transmitted in the homosexual community at a 50x greater rate than with heterosexual relationships.

4. Logic and Reason. Homosexuality is not how the human reproduction system was designed. The human body was designed for heterosexual intercourse. All homosexuals must find a way to imitate natures design to find sexual release. Nature defines itself.........people are born about 1/2 male and 1/2 female for a reason, if one or the other genders declined from this natural ratio....the human race would soon become extinct.

5. The only thing that homosexuals care about are emotional releases ...i.e., self pleasure even to the point of pretending LOVE to garner these pleasures. Homosexual couples rarely last in a so called monogamous relationship.....some say, "Oh, we just believe in an open relationship...." Yeah right...........

6. Personally.........I do not care how anyone gets their "jolly's" ...........but please don't urinate down my back and then tell me to relax ITS ONLY RAIN.

Minorities are often protected from majorities.
The problem being is the fact that homosexuals demand the right to claim that they deserve the same protections as "other" races of people....when in reality homosexuals are made up of all races of people with the only defining difference being the type of sex they choose to engage.

The choice of sex is not a civil right..........you don't need sex to live yet they demand SPECIAL TREATMENT from the rest of society. You don't need sex to find shelter, food, healthcare treatment, employment etc., Sex is a free will choice, as I stated before if its not......you have just been raped. Homosexuality is a choice.......sex is not required to sustain life only reproduce life.

Personally I would have no problem with classifying those who choose to engage in sex with the same gender.....as SPECIAL, they deserve the same rights ad do all handicapped individuals. Special license plates states "this individual is homosexually challenged".......special parking places....special lines to vote....etc.,

Anyone that states that its NORMAL to place a round peg into a square hole has some issues.

Other "races"?? I have never seen anything remotely like that.
What? Is homosexuality dedicated to only one certain RACE OF PEOPLES? Of course not; homosexuals exist within every race of humans. The Homosexuality community (those who CHOOSE to engage in sex with the same gender) are requesting civil rights protection that are reserved for true minorities based upon race, demanding equal rights as if homosexuality is a distinct subgroup of humanity when in reality homosexuality is based upon a freewill choice (choosing to engage in sex with the same gender). As said before, if you are not engaging in sex FREELY you are a victim of rape.

Homosexuality cannot be protected as a civil right because its entirely defined by the act of sex which is a choice not a condition. You will not die if you do not have sex, you will not starve if you do not have sex, you will not go homeless if you do not have sex, you will not go without a job if you do not have sex.............yada, yada, yada..............

Just how does anyone other than yourself know your sexual choices..........UNLESS.........you freely choose to divulge that information and flaunt it publicly.......and then claim that others are "INVADING YOUR PRIVACY"?

THE LGBT(Queer) community is one of the most militant special groups in the nation. Observe the way they organize, march, and protest........little Hitlers attempting to force feed American Citizens their choice of Social More's.

How do homosexuals affect your life?
Homosexuals have "exactly" the same rights as everyone that is HUMAN.......they are lacking in nothing, yet they demand SPECIAL treatment because of the choices they make in choosing a sexual mate. Heterosexuals have no special demands because of the sex they choose to engage......

Name one human right that any homosexual is lacking? They have the same access to food and shelter, voting rights, employment rights and all other civil rights based upon civil or minority status according to their personal race (this exists as a right of being HUMAN).....yet its THEY that inject and project their sexuality upon the rest of humanity.....a private choice that no one requires nor chooses to know about.

ATTENTION WHORES......because everything they militantly seek is solely based upon emotionally based sexual preference. No one asked to know what goes on behind their bedroom doors..........they are a problem only when they publicly flaunt this DEVIATION from the norms of society and demand this deviation be accepted as NORMAL. If such where normal homosexuals would be capable of reproducing in a natural fashion. This mental malady has existed from the beginning of time.....its only in the past several decades that SPECIAL INTEREST groups have gone militant in attempting to FORCE this malady as acceptable in the main stream social more's that have always been established by THE MAJORITY.

Again, not one RIGHT has came about in this Republic void of a majority ratification......from this same populous that the militants are now calling HATERS. Not one civil right, not one human right, not one minority right.....none have came forth void of the silent majority approval.....save those legislated from the bench via radical left wing judges.

If the minority is allowed to force the majority to accept their personal deviations from the norms established via the majority......you are no longer living in a free republic as described in Article Four, Section Four.........."The United States of America shall GUARANTEE to every State in the Union a Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and application of the legislature or the Executive Branch against domestic violence........"

You are living in a fascist example of legal Oligarchical tyranny.
 
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That what may be what Christians believe but that's not what Jesus taught or believed.
It isn't what Christians believe, and it is what Jesus taught.
For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Uh, guess what. Heaven and earth passed away. Jesus said that, and then a few short decades later, heaven and earth passed away.

The temple is gone. The tribes are gone.

The new kingdom is here now.


Nonsense. The kingdom of God has always been and will always be in power. the ten tribes are everywhere.

You are under the curse of the Law, for not complying with its instruction as revealed by Jesus.

The ten tribes were never 'lost' they just left for more sane parts of the world and said fuck this to the corruption of temple worship after the death of solomon
You are nuttier than squirrel shit, bro. Is your nutty religion published anywhere besides in your demented mind?
 
What do the scriptures written by the Apostles have to say about the Apostleship of PAUL/SAUL? You claim that Paul had no authority to condemn some things as SIN?


Paul was a guilt ridden rabid anti christian murderer, a homophobic misogynist, and a perverse self loathing masochist who pretended to be blind then pretended to be cured and pretended to have a vision of Jesus appointing him, yeah right, to subvert and derail early Christianity, curse the gentiles, and insure that the Jewish people would dismiss Jesus out of hand for as long as his lies persisted that Jesus claimed to be God and the law was obsolete.
You're gay, right?
 

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