Libertarians and the GOP

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Libertarians and the GOP

This of course brings up the question as to why libertarians would be in the GOP to begin with – which doesn’t sound very ‘libertarian.’

After all, the GOP is about big government authoritarianism, about the state interfering with citizens’ personal lives, and about a GOP hostile to diversity, dissent, and individual liberty.

It's particularly puzzling with regard to foreign policy, where the GOP is about ‘nation-building,’ unwarranted international interventions, starting illegal wars, the ‘Bush Doctrine,’ and maintaining a militaristic global empire; it’s as if ‘libertarians’ in the GOP have no idea what it means to be libertarian.

 

[occupied]

Libertarians and the GOP

This of course brings up the question as to why libertarians would be in the GOP to begin with – which doesn’t sound very ‘libertarian.’

After all, the GOP is about big government authoritarianism, about the state interfering with citizens’ personal lives, and about a GOP hostile to diversity, dissent, and individual liberty.

It's particularly puzzling with regard to foreign policy, where the GOP is about ‘nation-building,’ unwarranted international interventions, starting illegal wars, the ‘Bush Doctrine,’ and maintaining a militaristic global empire; it’s as if ‘libertarians’ in the GOP have no idea what it means to be libertarian.

I have often wondered about that and have come to the conclusion that it's the miniature American flags.

 

[Libertarianman]

Wow. I come here and I am already being mocked. Thanks!

Do u deny it is corrupt or do you support the current corrupt system?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Some of them probably think the GOP is marginally better than the Democratic Party, and there are probably libertarians who think the Democrats are marginally better than the Republicans. I would say that most of us, however, realize that any differences between the two parties are so negligible as to be pointless to worry about.

 

[Libertarianman]

I like Democrats more than Republicans because they at least stand for something, unlike most GOPers...
The only democrat I like is Joe Mansion, and only slightly. Al gore was an okay prez candidate. Better than bush. I like Bill Clinton

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

That is why we must allow third parties in debates and get rid of the electoral college.
Go Gary Johnson 2012!!!
Oh, why our current system is corrupt

The Electoral College is NOT the problem.

Representative democracy is better than popular democracy here.

Research "why" we have an EC. Why did some people years ago think it a fair or valuable system

 

[JakeStarkey]

Wow. I come here and I am already being mocked. Thanks!

Do u deny it is corrupt or do you support the current corrupt system?

Kiddo, we are mockers, and we are good at it having many years of practice.

Of course the system is corrupt. All man made systems are corrupt.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Unforgiven&sm=3

 

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Some of them probably think the GOP is marginally better than the Democratic Party, and there are probably libertarians who think the Democrats are marginally better than the Republicans. I would say that most of us, however, realize that any differences between the two parties are so negligible as to be pointless to worry about.

Practically everyone who calls themselves libertarian started out as republicans, then changed designations simply because they were sick of having to defend Bush for his shit. In their hearts they are still republicans, love Reagan for his big government ways and will become ultra nationalists the very second we get another big talking republican president(if ever). I am sure there are libertarians for real but they are far outnumbered by the other kind who just like to hate on everything knowing that their ideas will never be put to the test and are therefore perfect.

 

[Libertarianman]

I think that it needs to be updated. And Dante, please go do something I can't say here due to being banned

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Some of them probably think the GOP is marginally better than the Democratic Party, and there are probably libertarians who think the Democrats are marginally better than the Republicans. I would say that most of us, however, realize that any differences between the two parties are so negligible as to be pointless to worry about.

Practically everyone who calls themselves libertarian started out as republicans, then changed designations simply because they were sick of having to defend Bush for his shit. In their hearts they are still republicans, love Reagan for his big government ways and will become ultra nationalists the very second we get another big talking republican president(if ever). I am sure there are libertarians for real but they are far outnumbered by the other kind who just like to hate on everything knowing that their ideas will never be put to the test and are therefore perfect.

There are plenty of conservatives masquerading as libertarians, true, but some of us are the real deal.

 

[Libertarianman]

I was a Reagan conservative. I was a proud republican but came to the light after finding out that most republicans suck. I am pro choice, pro gay rights, non interventionist, fiscally conservative

John Stossel, Gary Johnson, Ron and rand Paul helped alot

 

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Some of them probably think the GOP is marginally better than the Democratic Party, and there are probably libertarians who think the Democrats are marginally better than the Republicans. I would say that most of us, however, realize that any differences between the two parties are so negligible as to be pointless to worry about.

Practically everyone who calls themselves libertarian started out as republicans, then changed designations simply because they were sick of having to defend Bush for his shit. In their hearts they are still republicans, love Reagan for his big government ways and will become ultra nationalists the very second we get another big talking republican president(if ever). I am sure there are libertarians for real but they are far outnumbered by the other kind who just like to hate on everything knowing that their ideas will never be put to the test and are therefore perfect.

There are plenty of conservatives masquerading as libertarians, true, but some of us are the real deal.

Yes, I know you are the real thing. You seem to actually think about the things you say rather than the usual pre-programed responses. Debating one of them is like debating all of them, Fiat currency this and socialism that, boring as hell.

 

[rightwinger]

Come on rw... I'm pretty sure you're not that fucking stupid. Libertarians aren't opposed to helping people. This has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you hammer away on a deliberate lie. Why? Is that the only way you can 'win'?

Read his post

Now....explain to me how a PRIVATE charity will replace everything a government does

It won't replace it, it will be far more effective because private charity is accountable to the people who contribute while government charity is accountable to the people who take the money from the people who pay. We will also be richer and have far more money to give.

The downside is we aren't sending checks to people who whine that life is unfair and didn't bother to save a dime because they are lazy and point fingers. That's you RW. It was obvious, so there's not doubt you missed it.

Libertarianism is better for everyone except people who ... want ... to be dependent on government. Again, referring to you there big guy...

Private charity is in no way capable of handling major disasters. Katrina, Sandy, major earthquakes, fires. Their meager resources are quickly overwhelmed. They cannot rebuild infrastructure or communities.

In addition, Private charities spend a major portion of their time and energy just in fundraising. Some are efficient, some are horrible

That is why I continue to think you are a moron

 

[rightwinger]

And you think government can make-up for a couple of worthless parents?

You just proved how truly delusional liberals are.

I've got news for you, chump: my parents were pretty damn worthless. Nevertheless I managed to overcome that initial disadvantage I had in life and prosper. No teacher or government social worker ever helped me.

I have to admit it

Libertarians are the greatest Americans ever to exist. They get where they are without any help or assistance from parents, their community, their teachers and they never, EVER take any assistance from the government

They are either the greatest Americans or the most ungrateful sons of bitches to ever walk this earth

Again, how does the fact that your parent or some neighbor helped you justify government social programs? The two things aren't comparable. One is totally voluntary, and the other is organized plunder. The fact that person 'A' did something for me voluntary in no way justifies the government taking the income of 'B' by force so it can do something for someone else.

Here is where we differ
Some people are born on third base and act as though they hit a triple. Huge parental support structure, connections to educational opportunities and future employment. Huge safety net if they fail and need to start over. Yet they act as though they did it all themselves
Others are born to horrible parents. No relatives to fall back on. Bad communities. Bad schools. No room for failure. The government steps in and offers scholarships, job training, job placement...a safety net

Of course Libertarians are outraged because they didn't "earn" it like the rich kids

 

[Kosh]

I have to admit it

Libertarians are the greatest Americans ever to exist. They get where they are without any help or assistance from parents, their community, their teachers and they never, EVER take any assistance from the government

They are either the greatest Americans or the most ungrateful sons of bitches to ever walk this earth

Again, how does the fact that your parent or some neighbor helped you justify government social programs? The two things aren't comparable. One is totally voluntary, and the other is organized plunder. The fact that person 'A' did something for me voluntary in no way justifies the government taking the income of 'B' by force so it can do something for someone else.

Here is where we differ
Some people are born on third base and act as though they hit a triple. Huge parental support structure, connections to educational opportunities and future employment. Huge safety net if they fail and need to start over. Yet they act as though they did it all themselves
Others are born to horrible parents. No relatives to fall back on. Bad communities. Bad schools. No room for failure. The government steps in and offers scholarships, job training, job placement...a safety net

Of course Libertarians are outraged because they didn't "earn" it like the rich kids

You mean the far left elite that control the Democratic party?

 

[bripat9643]

Read his post

Now....explain to me how a PRIVATE charity will replace everything a government does

It won't replace it, it will be far more effective because private charity is accountable to the people who contribute while government charity is accountable to the people who take the money from the people who pay. We will also be richer and have far more money to give.

The downside is we aren't sending checks to people who whine that life is unfair and didn't bother to save a dime because they are lazy and point fingers. That's you RW. It was obvious, so there's not doubt you missed it.

Libertarianism is better for everyone except people who ... want ... to be dependent on government. Again, referring to you there big guy...

Private charity is in no way capable of handling major disasters. Katrina, Sandy, major earthquakes, fires. Their meager resources are quickly overwhelmed. They cannot rebuild infrastructure or communities.

In addition, Private charities spend a major portion of their time and energy just in fundraising. Some are efficient, some are horrible

That is why I continue to think you are a moron

Why should we rebuild infrastructure in areas prone to disaster? Perhaps people who live in these areas should get insurance. If no company will insure them, then perhaps they should consider living somewhere else. Why should the rest of the country be taxed to pay for the foolishness of a few who choose to live in areas that are not good places to build cities?

 

[rightwinger]

It won't replace it, it will be far more effective because private charity is accountable to the people who contribute while government charity is accountable to the people who take the money from the people who pay. We will also be richer and have far more money to give.

The downside is we aren't sending checks to people who whine that life is unfair and didn't bother to save a dime because they are lazy and point fingers. That's you RW. It was obvious, so there's not doubt you missed it.

Libertarianism is better for everyone except people who ... want ... to be dependent on government. Again, referring to you there big guy...

Private charity is in no way capable of handling major disasters. Katrina, Sandy, major earthquakes, fires. Their meager resources are quickly overwhelmed. They cannot rebuild infrastructure or communities.

In addition, Private charities spend a major portion of their time and energy just in fundraising. Some are efficient, some are horrible

That is why I continue to think you are a moron

Why should we rebuild infrastructure in areas prone to disaster? Perhaps people who live in these areas should get insurance. If no company will insure them, then perhaps they should consider living somewhere else. Why should the rest of the country be taxed to pay for the foolishness of a few who choose to live in areas that are not good places to build cities?

Good point

We can start checking off those areas prone to disaster. It is their fault for not knowing any better. As a Libertarian would say.....you chose to live there, it is YOUR problem

Lets start with California......Wildfires, Earthquakes
Let's go to Texas......Tornados, Drought, hurricanes
Florida and the Gulf coast.......Hurricane central
Midwest......Tornado alley
Northeast......Snow...even hurricanes

Hey ...we are Libertarians....fuck em

 

[occupied]

I have to admit it

Libertarians are the greatest Americans ever to exist. They get where they are without any help or assistance from parents, their community, their teachers and they never, EVER take any assistance from the government

They are either the greatest Americans or the most ungrateful sons of bitches to ever walk this earth

Again, how does the fact that your parent or some neighbor helped you justify government social programs? The two things aren't comparable. One is totally voluntary, and the other is organized plunder. The fact that person 'A' did something for me voluntary in no way justifies the government taking the income of 'B' by force so it can do something for someone else.

Here is where we differ
Some people are born on third base and act as though they hit a triple. Huge parental support structure, connections to educational opportunities and future employment. Huge safety net if they fail and need to start over. Yet they act as though they did it all themselves
Others are born to horrible parents. No relatives to fall back on. Bad communities. Bad schools. No room for failure. The government steps in and offers scholarships, job training, job placement...a safety net

Of course Libertarians are outraged because they didn't "earn" it like the rich kids

It is this stubborn narrative, that Americans can all become anything they want with hard work and dedication, that I find to be the biggest flaw in libertarianism. If Americans were now really so blessed and do not have to play in a rigged game to keep them where they are then why do we need libertarian reform in the first place? Right, poor people are lazy, I forgot.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I was a Reagan conservative. I was a proud republican but came to the light after finding out that most republicans suck. I am pro choice, pro gay rights, non interventionist, fiscally conservative

John Stossel, Gary Johnson, Ron and rand Paul helped alot

JEsus, confused as hell

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I think that it needs to be updated. And Dante, please go do something I can't say here due to being banned

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