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[Slyhunter]

I work with a lot of nice black people at work in Florida. And while we don't talk politics, I hope stuff like this and BLM turns them off as much as it does me.

 

[JQPublic1]

You're black, so we'll shoot you. Then you say that black people should stop being black because they're giving the police a reason to shoot them. Holy sheets.

How about regardless of race, don't commit a crime? The cops don't deliberately go out and just shoot people without reason.

Which would be nice, wouldn't it. However reality is something quite different.

Why do you have different crime rates in different states?

Let's try and see if there's a pattern here. I'm going to put the position the state holds in terms of percentage of black population, the name of the state, then the position it holds in terms of homicide rate.

1) Mississippi 2nd
2) Louisiana 1st
3) Georgia 10th
4) Maryland 5th
5) South Carolina 4th
6) Alabama 9th
7) North Carolina 16th
8) Delaware 7th
9) Virginia 24th
10) Tennessee 11th

So, you can see that a high black population state generally has a higher murder rate.The problem is that Virginia in 9th has a murder rate at about the average. Why is this? Why is Georgia with the 3rd largest black population 10th in murder rates, but Delaware in 8th, with a 10% lower black population higher in murder rates?

The thing here that strikes me more than the high murder rates, is the fact that most of these states are in slavery country, segregation country, in the places where black people have been treated badly and will be treated badly.

Mississippi is 3rd in the number of people locked up, and spends $12,700 per inmate per year
Louisiana is 1st and spends $12,900
Georgia is 5th and spends $19,800
Maryland is 33rd and spends $26,300
South Carolina is 19th and spends $16,700
Alabama is 4th and spends $8,100

Again, we have different rates, nothing that says "this is the problem here", Louisiana spends little, locks up a lot and has a high murder rate. Georgia spends even less, locks up quite a lot and has a much lower murder rate, nearly half that of Louisiana but a black population of only 1% lower.

Mississippi spends $8,200 on education spending per person.
Louisiana spends $10,700
Georgia spends $9,200
Maryland spends $14,000
South Carolina spends $9,700
Alabama spends $9,000

They all don't spend very much on education, but again, Georgia has lower spending and lower murder rates. Hmmm....

So what is going on then? Nothing suggests there is one thing here that works.

You can go through all the statistics you like and you find loose patterns, but nothing which suggests this change. You need tons of statistics in order to get closer to the truth.

But then again, those whiter states which didn't have slavery, which spend more on education, are the states with lower murder rates. Is it because they're white, is it because they don't have people with a chip on their shoulder about slavery and segregation and have seen discrimination in their life time on a large scale, is it because the invest in their people? What is it?





https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/spe01.pdf
List of U.S. states by incarceration and correctional supervision rate - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by African-American population - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by homicide rate - Wikipedia
Education Spending Per Student by State

Slavery is not the issue, it has been gone for quite some time. Using this as an excuse for anything is wrong.

Okay, I wrote more than just about slavery.

I'm guessing you don't get why slavery IS an issue.

Black people know slavery existed. Black people know that white people were the ones who kept the slaves. Black people in the South know that it happened mostly in the South and they know that in the modern era that people walk around with Confederate flags, use racist language, join the KKK, and things that have connotations with slavery.

Now, you can pretend this isn't an issue, that slavery, segregation and the like don't have an impact on the minds of black Americans, but you'd be wrong.

I wrote a lot in my post, and your reply took three seconds. I don't appreciate that, I do understand there are lots of people who "know" lots of things, but won't read more than a few words in every post, and won't think about their answers beyond what they want to "know" about the world, and aren't looking for the truth. Such people annoy me, and are a waste of time replying to because they're never going to change their minds on anything, so what's the point?

I had a short reply because slavery IS NOT an issue, no whites today enslaved people. what the hell are you expecting people to change their minds about? we know slavery existed, it was horrid, it is over, it will never be forgotten but you cannot blame anyone on it today. what kind of "truth" are you looking for in people? You tend to ramble on without making much of a point.

Chattle slavery like that depicted in "Gone With the Wind" may no longer be legal but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.
But you missed the point made about people waving Confederate flags and celebrating Confederate Heroes and such. Those people continue to glorify slavery and all the ramifications it brings with it. So you are very naive if you think that mindset of someone who embellishes the rebel flag and waves it around it just playing around. And further..that extreme right wing populism that got Trump elected is as dangerous as the populism that gave the world a Hitler. Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

 

[Gracie]

Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

Why yes. I have. For the past 8 years it has gotten much worse.

 

[Auld Phart]

but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.

hilarious

How do you figure that?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

Why yes. I have. For the past 8 years it has gotten much worse.

The rise in hate crimes has been increasing over a longer period of time.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcv0415.pdf

According to the BJS site, hate crimes increased from 2005 until 2009, where they went down to about 2011 and then picked up again the next year and dropped again after this.

48% of people said the crime was committed because of their race. However this figure had dropped from 1.1% of violent crime when Obama took over to 0.7% when he left office.

As much as you want to make this about Obama, it's not about Obama.

 

[frigidweirdo]

but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.

hilarious

How do you figure that?

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

 

[JQPublic1]

but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.

hilarious

How do you figure that?

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

Yep...prisons are the new plantations...except now the"crops" are the prisoners.

 

[Auld Phart]

but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.

hilarious

How do you figure that?

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

Yup...

everyone brought up in poverty areas, and inner cities end up in prison.


Y'all got a strange idea of slavery.

 

[frigidweirdo]

but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.

hilarious

How do you figure that?

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

Yup...

everyone brought up in poverty areas, and inner cities end up in prison.


Y'all got a strange idea of slavery.

Well I clearly didn't say that. And you seem to be trying to take the term "slavery" too literally.

 

[Auld Phart]

but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.

hilarious

How do you figure that?

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

Yep...prisons are the new plantations...except now the"crops" are the prisoners.

I'll admit I've seen the revolving door in action, but calling it slavery?

foolish.

I remember one 16 y/o kid calling his arrest and incarceration slavery...

because for the first time in his life, he had to work.

The other inmates laughed at him.

 

[Auld Phart]

but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.

hilarious

How do you figure that?

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

Yup...

everyone brought up in poverty areas, and inner cities end up in prison.


Y'all got a strange idea of slavery.

Well I clearly didn't say that. And you seem to be trying to take the term "slavery" too literally.

you have more than one definition of slavery?

(and you clearly did say it)

 

[frigidweirdo]

but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.

hilarious

How do you figure that?

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

Yep...prisons are the new plantations...except now the"crops" are the prisoners.

I'll admit I've seen the revolving door in action, but calling it slavery?

foolish.

I remember one 16 y/o kid calling his arrest and incarceration slavery...

because for the first time in his life, he had to work.

The other inmates laughed at him.

Slavery implies there isn't any choice. No, clearly there are choices available to all people in society. The problem is when the choices are narrowed down to such a point there aren't many choices at all.

For those kids born without the brains to force themselves away from the gangs, without the education to do this, with too much temptation to end up in gangs, and almost no temptation not to get involved in gangs, what choices do they have? When they end up in prison, they have less and less choices when they get out of prison. Who's going to give them a job? Can they even get housing? After their time in prison crime probably seems like it is the only choice, and that will then involve them going back to prison.

If Louisiana's private prison system actually worked, wouldn't it see LESS people reoffending?

State Prison Uses Faith, Job Training To Gut Recidivism Rates

"In Louisiana, 43 percent of ex-convicts will return to prison within five years of their release — the state has the highest incarceration rate in the world and one of the worst recidivism rates in the country."

"Advocates say that repeatedly sentencing these offenders to prison and housing them on the taxpayer’s dime is a waste of dollars that could be better spent making sure inmates don’t return."

 

[frigidweirdo]

but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.

hilarious

How do you figure that?

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

Yup...

everyone brought up in poverty areas, and inner cities end up in prison.


Y'all got a strange idea of slavery.

Well I clearly didn't say that. And you seem to be trying to take the term "slavery" too literally.

you have more than one definition of slavery?

(and you clearly did say it)

Sigh..... look, I've explained, if you don't get it, I don't care.

 

[Billo_Really]

did he? I thought the kill shot was from his service weapon?

It was an AK. That's why he's no longer on the Force. He was suspended for his use of the weapon.

 

[Auld Phart]

hilarious

How do you figure that?

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

Yup...

everyone brought up in poverty areas, and inner cities end up in prison.


Y'all got a strange idea of slavery.

Well I clearly didn't say that. And you seem to be trying to take the term "slavery" too literally.

you have more than one definition of slavery?

(and you clearly did say it)

Sigh..... look, I've explained, if you don't get it, I don't care.

Yes, you explained

Slavery implies there isn't any choice.

exactly

No, clearly there are choices available to all people in society.

then it isn't slavery.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Take Louisiana, a place with a private prison system, where the prisons not only don't have any reason to rehabilitate people, they actually have plenty of reasons (money) to want their customers to come back again and again and again.

That people in poverty and inner city areas end up getting involved in the cycle of crime, which can often keep them in poverty, and then end up with them in prisons, and then unable to get a job, or potentially housing when they get out, with the only real job available to them being CRIME, and then they end up back in prison again.

Are they free? No, not really, they never were.

Yup...

everyone brought up in poverty areas, and inner cities end up in prison.


Y'all got a strange idea of slavery.

Well I clearly didn't say that. And you seem to be trying to take the term "slavery" too literally.

you have more than one definition of slavery?

(and you clearly did say it)

Sigh..... look, I've explained, if you don't get it, I don't care.

Yes, you explained

Slavery implies there isn't any choice.

exactly

No, clearly there are choices available to all people in society.

then it isn't slavery.

Oh, christ, it can't be that bad, can it? It seems to be.

 

[MizMolly]

How about regardless of race, don't commit a crime? The cops don't deliberately go out and just shoot people without reason.

Which would be nice, wouldn't it. However reality is something quite different.

Why do you have different crime rates in different states?

Let's try and see if there's a pattern here. I'm going to put the position the state holds in terms of percentage of black population, the name of the state, then the position it holds in terms of homicide rate.

1) Mississippi 2nd
2) Louisiana 1st
3) Georgia 10th
4) Maryland 5th
5) South Carolina 4th
6) Alabama 9th
7) North Carolina 16th
8) Delaware 7th
9) Virginia 24th
10) Tennessee 11th

So, you can see that a high black population state generally has a higher murder rate.The problem is that Virginia in 9th has a murder rate at about the average. Why is this? Why is Georgia with the 3rd largest black population 10th in murder rates, but Delaware in 8th, with a 10% lower black population higher in murder rates?

The thing here that strikes me more than the high murder rates, is the fact that most of these states are in slavery country, segregation country, in the places where black people have been treated badly and will be treated badly.

Mississippi is 3rd in the number of people locked up, and spends $12,700 per inmate per year
Louisiana is 1st and spends $12,900
Georgia is 5th and spends $19,800
Maryland is 33rd and spends $26,300
South Carolina is 19th and spends $16,700
Alabama is 4th and spends $8,100

Again, we have different rates, nothing that says "this is the problem here", Louisiana spends little, locks up a lot and has a high murder rate. Georgia spends even less, locks up quite a lot and has a much lower murder rate, nearly half that of Louisiana but a black population of only 1% lower.

Mississippi spends $8,200 on education spending per person.
Louisiana spends $10,700
Georgia spends $9,200
Maryland spends $14,000
South Carolina spends $9,700
Alabama spends $9,000

They all don't spend very much on education, but again, Georgia has lower spending and lower murder rates. Hmmm....

So what is going on then? Nothing suggests there is one thing here that works.

You can go through all the statistics you like and you find loose patterns, but nothing which suggests this change. You need tons of statistics in order to get closer to the truth.

But then again, those whiter states which didn't have slavery, which spend more on education, are the states with lower murder rates. Is it because they're white, is it because they don't have people with a chip on their shoulder about slavery and segregation and have seen discrimination in their life time on a large scale, is it because the invest in their people? What is it?





https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/spe01.pdf
List of U.S. states by incarceration and correctional supervision rate - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by African-American population - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by homicide rate - Wikipedia
Education Spending Per Student by State

Slavery is not the issue, it has been gone for quite some time. Using this as an excuse for anything is wrong.

Okay, I wrote more than just about slavery.

I'm guessing you don't get why slavery IS an issue.

Black people know slavery existed. Black people know that white people were the ones who kept the slaves. Black people in the South know that it happened mostly in the South and they know that in the modern era that people walk around with Confederate flags, use racist language, join the KKK, and things that have connotations with slavery.

Now, you can pretend this isn't an issue, that slavery, segregation and the like don't have an impact on the minds of black Americans, but you'd be wrong.

I wrote a lot in my post, and your reply took three seconds. I don't appreciate that, I do understand there are lots of people who "know" lots of things, but won't read more than a few words in every post, and won't think about their answers beyond what they want to "know" about the world, and aren't looking for the truth. Such people annoy me, and are a waste of time replying to because they're never going to change their minds on anything, so what's the point?

I had a short reply because slavery IS NOT an issue, no whites today enslaved people. what the hell are you expecting people to change their minds about? we know slavery existed, it was horrid, it is over, it will never be forgotten but you cannot blame anyone on it today. what kind of "truth" are you looking for in people? You tend to ramble on without making much of a point.

Chattle slavery like that depicted in "Gone With the Wind" may no longer be legal but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.
But you missed the point made about people waving Confederate flags and celebrating Confederate Heroes and such. Those people continue to glorify slavery and all the ramifications it brings with it. So you are very naive if you think that mindset of someone who embellishes the rebel flag and waves it around it just playing around. And further..that extreme right wing populism that got Trump elected is as dangerous as the populism that gave the world a Hitler. Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

There will be racists, I can't change that. Slavery does NOT have anything to do with anyone today. How does the prison system keep slavery alive? Now are you saying they are innocently incarcerated?

 

[MizMolly]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Which would be nice, wouldn't it. However reality is something quite different.

Why do you have different crime rates in different states?

Let's try and see if there's a pattern here. I'm going to put the position the state holds in terms of percentage of black population, the name of the state, then the position it holds in terms of homicide rate.

1) Mississippi 2nd
2) Louisiana 1st
3) Georgia 10th
4) Maryland 5th
5) South Carolina 4th
6) Alabama 9th
7) North Carolina 16th
8) Delaware 7th
9) Virginia 24th
10) Tennessee 11th

So, you can see that a high black population state generally has a higher murder rate.The problem is that Virginia in 9th has a murder rate at about the average. Why is this? Why is Georgia with the 3rd largest black population 10th in murder rates, but Delaware in 8th, with a 10% lower black population higher in murder rates?

The thing here that strikes me more than the high murder rates, is the fact that most of these states are in slavery country, segregation country, in the places where black people have been treated badly and will be treated badly.

Mississippi is 3rd in the number of people locked up, and spends $12,700 per inmate per year
Louisiana is 1st and spends $12,900
Georgia is 5th and spends $19,800
Maryland is 33rd and spends $26,300
South Carolina is 19th and spends $16,700
Alabama is 4th and spends $8,100

Again, we have different rates, nothing that says "this is the problem here", Louisiana spends little, locks up a lot and has a high murder rate. Georgia spends even less, locks up quite a lot and has a much lower murder rate, nearly half that of Louisiana but a black population of only 1% lower.

Mississippi spends $8,200 on education spending per person.
Louisiana spends $10,700
Georgia spends $9,200
Maryland spends $14,000
South Carolina spends $9,700
Alabama spends $9,000

They all don't spend very much on education, but again, Georgia has lower spending and lower murder rates. Hmmm....

So what is going on then? Nothing suggests there is one thing here that works.

You can go through all the statistics you like and you find loose patterns, but nothing which suggests this change. You need tons of statistics in order to get closer to the truth.

But then again, those whiter states which didn't have slavery, which spend more on education, are the states with lower murder rates. Is it because they're white, is it because they don't have people with a chip on their shoulder about slavery and segregation and have seen discrimination in their life time on a large scale, is it because the invest in their people? What is it?





https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/spe01.pdf
List of U.S. states by incarceration and correctional supervision rate - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by African-American population - Wikipedia
List of U.S. states by homicide rate - Wikipedia
Education Spending Per Student by State

Slavery is not the issue, it has been gone for quite some time. Using this as an excuse for anything is wrong.

Okay, I wrote more than just about slavery.

I'm guessing you don't get why slavery IS an issue.

Black people know slavery existed. Black people know that white people were the ones who kept the slaves. Black people in the South know that it happened mostly in the South and they know that in the modern era that people walk around with Confederate flags, use racist language, join the KKK, and things that have connotations with slavery.

Now, you can pretend this isn't an issue, that slavery, segregation and the like don't have an impact on the minds of black Americans, but you'd be wrong.

I wrote a lot in my post, and your reply took three seconds. I don't appreciate that, I do understand there are lots of people who "know" lots of things, but won't read more than a few words in every post, and won't think about their answers beyond what they want to "know" about the world, and aren't looking for the truth. Such people annoy me, and are a waste of time replying to because they're never going to change their minds on anything, so what's the point?

I had a short reply because slavery IS NOT an issue, no whites today enslaved people. what the hell are you expecting people to change their minds about? we know slavery existed, it was horrid, it is over, it will never be forgotten but you cannot blame anyone on it today. what kind of "truth" are you looking for in people? You tend to ramble on without making much of a point.

Chattle slavery like that depicted in "Gone With the Wind" may no longer be legal but the prison system keeps slavery alive and well.
But you missed the point made about people waving Confederate flags and celebrating Confederate Heroes and such. Those people continue to glorify slavery and all the ramifications it brings with it. So you are very naive if you think that mindset of someone who embellishes the rebel flag and waves it around it just playing around. And further..that extreme right wing populism that got Trump elected is as dangerous as the populism that gave the world a Hitler. Surely you've noticed the surge in hate crimes and blatant racism .

There will be racists, I can't change that. Slavery does NOT have anything to do with anyone today. How does the prison system keep slavery alive? Now are you saying they are innocently incarcerated?

Imagine you have two situations. The same person is born into both situations. In one situation there is almost nothing they can do to stop themselves getting into crime. In another situation they'd go to school, get an education, leave school, get a job and never get in trouble with the police.

Is the system, is society, pushing people towards prison, crime etc?

Well, the answer is almost certainly yes. My are the Deep South states more likely to have higher crime, more likely to have lower education achievement, less likely to spend as much money on education, more likely to lock people up and then suffer the consequences of an attitude. And people's lives are being lost in this system. The same as people's lives were lost into the system of slavery.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It is really pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, you won't go to prison. Having sympathy for the criminal is wrong.

They estimate that most people commit crimes every day. However some kids are being born into impoverished inner city areas, into families with parents who don't care, or there's only one mother, and their education is poor for lots of reasons, like good teachers don't want to work there because of the crime, and the students are misbehaving and causing other students problems.

After all of this, they're looking around them and seeing the system as being fucked up, and there's nothing there for them, the only people who support them are the gangs.

And then you tell them not to commit crime.

It's like telling you to go swimming and not get wet.