Lockdown Fans: What Is Your Endgame Plan?

[sparky]

I trust our experts have put in place a plan that preserves life to the best of their abilities and I’m willing to see that plan through. People like Fauci and Brix aren’t trying to destroy the country

i wish i had your faith in governance Rocko....

~S~

 

[Ken Mac]

From the link I just posted:

South Korea, which waged an early battle against COVID-19 after the disease emerged from China, said on Thursday that it had no new domestic cases for the first time since a surge nearly 10 weeks ago.

The country experienced its first case on Jan. 20, but didn't see infections ramp up until mid-February. They peaked on Feb. 29 with 909 daily cases and have been trending down ever since.

and as soon as the open travel into their country - it will be back. You are really that dumb?

 

[Rocko]

I trust our experts have put in place a plan that preserves life to the best of their abilities and I’m willing to see that plan through. People like Fauci and Brix aren’t trying to destroy the country

i wish i had your faith in governance Rocko....

~S~

Can you elaborate? Do you think dr Fauci and the rest of the team of experts are motivated by nefarious purposes or are they trying to do what’s best for the country? Straight forward question.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No one is a fan of the lockdowns. Some people just love their mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers and are not eager to sacrifice them to President Trump's reelection campaign.

that group apparently does not include Fredo’s brother, the New York governor who insisted that chinese disease patients be sent to nursing homes

How many dead Americans do you think are "acceptable" losses? Give us a number.

How many bankrupt and financially destroyed Americans do you believe to be acceptable?

More than the number of dead ones.

50 million, asshole?

50 million living people can start over again. The dead cannot, nor will the families and friends ever recover from the loss. Life is more important than money motherfucker, plain and simple.

You really are an asshole.

Your gandma can die, for all I care. I won't have my life destroyed so your grandma doesn't have to isolate herself.

My grandmother died in 1995. But I refuse to see lives destroyed because your punk ass doesn't have the discipline to do what it takes to reduce the spread of the virus just so you can go down to the store and buy a bag of seeds. We don't need to be infected because of idiots like you. You right wingers are like children. I don't like this any more than you do, but I am not willing to get sick so I can go watch state u play a football game. Nor am I willing to get sick just so I can make some money. We don't have an economy if half the people are sick. And we certainly don't if people are dying. So grow up. You ain't missing nothing because you can't go sell something

You don't think lives are destroyed when people are unemployed for years, go bankrupt, lose everything they own and live on the street?

You're a colossal dumbfuck. If you don't want to be infected, then stay in your house, but don't be telling other people they can't go to work. 95% of people who get COVID-19 don't even know it, so how is half the population going to be so sick that they can't go to work? only 0.01% of the population will die because of COVID-19. I'm not exactly quacking in my boots over that.

As I was explaining to someone yesterday, it's not even just about the lives of people in the United States if the US economy collapses. Even if the pie-in-the-sky leftists are right and America will never devolve into a third-world country, what about those places that already ARE third-world countries, whose people are dependent on American charity and generosity to even survive? What the hell happens to them when we're so broke and desperate ourselves that we have nothing to give them? Or does saving THOSE lives no longer matter when the left has a new set of human shields to hide behind?

I went to Sams Club today and they had no pork and very little beef. What are the callous self centered retired old coots going to do when there's nothing to eat?

Do you even get WHY there is no pork or beef?

There's no beef or Pork because of hysterical douchebags like you.

Wrong, idiot. There is no beef or pork because of the consolidation of the meat packing industry. Hundreds of people crammed together spreading the virus to each other...and turning little towns into COVID hot spots.

Fascinating. And that addresses the topic of the thread how?

Why don't you ask Bripat, your bitchness? He's the one babbling about no meat at Sam's Club

My question was for people who want to extend the lockdowns, Your Stupidness. Bri doesn't want to extend them, so the question is not to him.

No, you asked me what our (his and mine)discussion about meat had to do with the topic of your thread. It is weird that you would ask me what it has to do with the topic when he is the one that brought it up. Only people that agree with you are allowed to talk about meat and not the topic of your thread?

Bri doesn't have a problem addressing the topic. You, on the other hand, have a history of ignoring the topic to try to deflect off onto your talking points.

That was classic projection. Textbook even. Your lame, strawman, topic was "addressed" over and over. You just didn't get the response your hindass demanded. Tissue?

"Straw man" does not mean "things I don't want to talk about", Seabiscuit. If you really can't see how asking what alternative people have to offer to reopening is a relevant topic to discuss, then you are literally the only one who can't see it, and you're probably also in need of a helmet and a babysitter for your own protection.

You just don't like that you can't get away with deflecting and turning this thread into your standard, warmed-over shouting match of "My slogans mean I'm a good person and you aren't!"

Your Strawman is your statement that anyone wants the lockdown. Necessary doesn't equate to desired.

Your straw man is in trying to pretend the focus is your professed feelings about something. You've only been told this approximately a million times: no one gives a shit how you "feel" about something. The only thing that interests us is what you DO, not how you profess to feel about doing it.

So if you could stop gazing at your belly button for two seconds, perhaps you could get around to telling us how you think your "necessary" action plays out.

Weird that you're the only one seeming to get emotional. You're practically frothing when someone doesn't answer your ridiculous questions exactly the way you want them to. Poor bitchness realizing the world doesn't revolve around her?

Weird that you attribute emotion to text on a screen and then project that onto others. Yet another thing you try - and fail - to make me responsible for just because of how you wish the world was.

Oh, and this pose of "I'm not deflecting from the question, I'm taking a heroic stand"? Fooling no one but you, like every other lie you tell.

Frankly, I think 20-some pages of ad hominem attacks and dodges is enough for us to get your answer. Your plan for dealing with coronavirus is to let other people do the planning and take the risks while you contribute jack shit and laze around criticizing and making political attacks.

And since that's the case, I don't believe I need or want to hear any more lies from you, Seabiscuit. You have vastly outworn any meager entertainment value you ever had with your coldblooded desire to hurt anyone and everyone to get your way. Go be evil, ignorant scum on someone else's dime.

 

[Cecilie1200]

For those of you saying the country will go bankrupt in a month or two if this continues. Any evidence to back that up? I’m pretty sure the economy would survive if we weathered the storm a bit longer.

Like most issues this is not black and white, it’s up to experts like doctor Fauci to find that gray area. We have made some progress with the mitigation efforts. We just need more. None of us are infectious disease experts, so I don’t think anyone of us are qualified enough to put together a sensible plan. To some degree both sides of this argument are arguing out of emotion. Sometimes you have to put your trust in those of us that are more experienced and wiser. I trust our experts have put in place a plan that preserves life to the best of their abilities and I’m willing to see that plan through. People like Fauci and Brix aren’t trying to destroy the country

Excuse me, but if you want to have a discussion about, "Well, what makes you think shutting down the economy will cause bankruptcy", go start your own thread about it, asshole. This is MY thread, and it's about answering MY questions, and trying to derail it by making it about "I only demand answers, I don't give them" will just be seen as "I have no plan, I just want to attack Trump!"

Is that, in fact, your answer?

You just ignored the part where I answered you question. You just didn’t like the answer. I added in a question, which is related to the discussion, and you didn’t like the question, so now all of a sudden I’m an asshole. And BTW there are a lot of heartless bastards on this board that don’t give a second thought to the health of others in the community around them. We’re seeing it in this thread with responses like I don’t give a fuck about your grandma. Those people are the assholes, not someone who happens to disagree with you that we should trust the experts we have.

I ignored nothing. You're apparently either too ignorant to understand what the question was, or too ignorant to understand that nothing you said answered it. Unless you're so unfamiliar with independent thinking that you believe, "I'm sure everything will be fine, and the smart people will make it work out" is a plan.

So you’re in the name calling club of anyone who believes the experts in charge have more of a grasp on what steps should be followed than “independent thinkers” such as yourself and all the other retards on this site. Got it. Get bent.

Let's be clear, Spanky. You can play at feeling "victimized" for some apocryphal "noble principle" you pretend to have espoused. But you can't make me join in your delusion, or ignore the fact that you ACTUALLY got your ass called out for being a moron.

Get your head out of your ass, gutter trash. You started with the name calling and I’ve always been respectful to you prior to that. Just because you don’t like someone’s answer to your question or feel they haven’t addressed your question appropriately doesn’t mean you should call them assholes. You did. You should own up to your rudeness and apologize, but both of us no you won’t.

Furthermore you made this about Trump, whom I didn’t even address, I don’t claim the moral high ground in reference to everyone wanting the economy to reopen. I do however claim the moral high ground against people I don’t give a fuck about your grandma open the economy up.

Hey, fucktard, this is not about your hurt feelings and your demands to be treated nicer. Get YOUR head out of your ass and realize that 1) you provided a shitty answer, 2) you got treated to the respect you earned with that shitty answer, 3) I knew it would probably hurt your feelings when I said it, and I didn't care, and 4) now that you're throwing a tantrum about how I wasn't nice enough to you, I care even less.

This WILL be the last time we talk about your feelings in this thread, snowflake, because you are boring and childish and sucking up time and space which you have manifestly proven you are not worthy of. Consider this all the "apology" you are going to get: I'm very sorry that I didn't ALSO tell you that your mommy should ground you from using her computer.

Just because I pointed out that you were rude and you initiated an uncalled for personal attack doesn’t mean you hurt my feelings. Get over yourself. I find it amusing how easily you become emotionally unhinged. You did however double down on your insults , in a rage if I may add, just like I thought you would when I bought to your attention your unbecoming behavior. Furthermore your thread is based on a false premise, so your precious thread is about as useful as you are, which is to say not very. Because your flawed thread is so important to your self worth you should like every post that even dignifies your OP with any type of response. I thought I was being charitable to you when I posted. And lastly, idiot, like I was saying, and I know it’s gets you butthurt, I trust Fauci and Birx on laying out a plan during every step of the way more than you or your hillbilly, toothless friends.

 

[sparky]

Straight forward question.

The straightest answer i can forward is, i trust no one in governance to be working for 'the middle class' Rocko

That sentiment multiplies with tenure.

for starters, It recently surfaced that gub'mit workers can profit from ,and even hold patents in what was tax funded research

and so here we are, on the cusp of Facci's vaccine being pushed through the FDA fast track (despite lack of double blind studies)

rumour (yes only that so far) is that it tested poorly on our own military

Defense Department Press Briefing Investigating and Developing Vaccine Candidates Against

The Defense Department briefed the press on the Army's research and support in efforts develop a vaccine against the Coronavirus, COVID-19.

www.defense.gov

we're talkin a billion $$$$ industry here , can anyone follow the $$$?

~S~

 

[Rocko]

No one is a fan of the lockdown btw. This thread is heavily tarded. Just saying

"Never mind that I'm advocating them. How DARE you say I like them!!!!"

This poster is heavily "tarded". Just saying.

Take your 12-year-old ass to some nice, safe Justin Bieber board, or whoever it is you kids are listening to these days.

Listen, asshole, I keep telling you this, but it hasn’t gotten through you thick head. I’m advocating that we listen to the experts. When they say it’s safe to open the country up I put my faith in them, just like I’m putting faith in they say it’s not safe at this period in time. No one likes the shutdown, but people are willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. The fact that you would disingenuously accuse people of being fans of this shutdown means your thread wasn’t serious.

 

[Seawytch]

No one is a fan of the lockdowns. Some people just love their mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers and are not eager to sacrifice them to President Trump's reelection campaign.

that group apparently does not include Fredo’s brother, the New York governor who insisted that chinese disease patients be sent to nursing homes

How many dead Americans do you think are "acceptable" losses? Give us a number.

How many bankrupt and financially destroyed Americans do you believe to be acceptable?

More than the number of dead ones.

50 million, asshole?

50 million living people can start over again. The dead cannot, nor will the families and friends ever recover from the loss. Life is more important than money motherfucker, plain and simple.

You really are an asshole.

Your gandma can die, for all I care. I won't have my life destroyed so your grandma doesn't have to isolate herself.

My grandmother died in 1995. But I refuse to see lives destroyed because your punk ass doesn't have the discipline to do what it takes to reduce the spread of the virus just so you can go down to the store and buy a bag of seeds. We don't need to be infected because of idiots like you. You right wingers are like children. I don't like this any more than you do, but I am not willing to get sick so I can go watch state u play a football game. Nor am I willing to get sick just so I can make some money. We don't have an economy if half the people are sick. And we certainly don't if people are dying. So grow up. You ain't missing nothing because you can't go sell something

You don't think lives are destroyed when people are unemployed for years, go bankrupt, lose everything they own and live on the street?

You're a colossal dumbfuck. If you don't want to be infected, then stay in your house, but don't be telling other people they can't go to work. 95% of people who get COVID-19 don't even know it, so how is half the population going to be so sick that they can't go to work? only 0.01% of the population will die because of COVID-19. I'm not exactly quacking in my boots over that.

As I was explaining to someone yesterday, it's not even just about the lives of people in the United States if the US economy collapses. Even if the pie-in-the-sky leftists are right and America will never devolve into a third-world country, what about those places that already ARE third-world countries, whose people are dependent on American charity and generosity to even survive? What the hell happens to them when we're so broke and desperate ourselves that we have nothing to give them? Or does saving THOSE lives no longer matter when the left has a new set of human shields to hide behind?

I went to Sams Club today and they had no pork and very little beef. What are the callous self centered retired old coots going to do when there's nothing to eat?

Do you even get WHY there is no pork or beef?

There's no beef or Pork because of hysterical douchebags like you.

Wrong, idiot. There is no beef or pork because of the consolidation of the meat packing industry. Hundreds of people crammed together spreading the virus to each other...and turning little towns into COVID hot spots.

Fascinating. And that addresses the topic of the thread how?

Why don't you ask Bripat, your bitchness? He's the one babbling about no meat at Sam's Club

My question was for people who want to extend the lockdowns, Your Stupidness. Bri doesn't want to extend them, so the question is not to him.

No, you asked me what our (his and mine)discussion about meat had to do with the topic of your thread. It is weird that you would ask me what it has to do with the topic when he is the one that brought it up. Only people that agree with you are allowed to talk about meat and not the topic of your thread?

Bri doesn't have a problem addressing the topic. You, on the other hand, have a history of ignoring the topic to try to deflect off onto your talking points.

That was classic projection. Textbook even. Your lame, strawman, topic was "addressed" over and over. You just didn't get the response your hindass demanded. Tissue?

"Straw man" does not mean "things I don't want to talk about", Seabiscuit. If you really can't see how asking what alternative people have to offer to reopening is a relevant topic to discuss, then you are literally the only one who can't see it, and you're probably also in need of a helmet and a babysitter for your own protection.

You just don't like that you can't get away with deflecting and turning this thread into your standard, warmed-over shouting match of "My slogans mean I'm a good person and you aren't!"

Your Strawman is your statement that anyone wants the lockdown. Necessary doesn't equate to desired.

Your straw man is in trying to pretend the focus is your professed feelings about something. You've only been told this approximately a million times: no one gives a shit how you "feel" about something. The only thing that interests us is what you DO, not how you profess to feel about doing it.

So if you could stop gazing at your belly button for two seconds, perhaps you could get around to telling us how you think your "necessary" action plays out.

Weird that you're the only one seeming to get emotional. You're practically frothing when someone doesn't answer your ridiculous questions exactly the way you want them to. Poor bitchness realizing the world doesn't revolve around her?

Weird that you attribute emotion to text on a screen and then project that onto others. Yet another thing you try - and fail - to make me responsible for just because of how you wish the world was.

Oh, and this pose of "I'm not deflecting from the question, I'm taking a heroic stand"? Fooling no one but you, like every other lie you tell.

Frankly, I think 20-some pages of ad hominem attacks and dodges is enough for us to get your answer. Your plan for dealing with coronavirus is to let other people do the planning and take the risks while you contribute jack shit and laze around criticizing and making political attacks.

And since that's the case, I don't believe I need or want to hear any more lies from you, Seabiscuit. You have vastly outworn any meager entertainment value you ever had with your coldblooded desire to hurt anyone and everyone to get your way. Go be evil, ignorant scum on someone else's dime.

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Lamest (and longest) run away and hide ever. Pathetic.

 

[IM2]

Why do republicans make such disingenuous comments? Nobody likes being done like this. I don't like sitting at home watching films about the 1998 Chicago Bulls. I could care less what Jordan thought about the Pistons. I wanted to see march madness or go to opening day. So when one of these right wing idiots start ranting about democrats enjoying this lockdown, it makes me think violent thoughts about that person. How in the hell do people grow up to be so fucking stupid?

 

[Flopper]

No one is a fan of the lockdowns. Some people just love their mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers and are not eager to sacrifice them to President Trump's reelection campaign.

250 million people world wide are going to be starving if we don’t get our food supply flowing like it was before the lockdown. How long do you expect to keep grandparents away from their grandkids? This is no where near as simple as you claim it to be.

7.8 billion people world wide are looking at a pandemic right now. We might want to end that first.

And only around 46.8 million of the most unhealthy people are looking at death from covid, vs the 3x that amount, 250 million, infants to elderly, are looking at starving to death. 68 million in this country alone are looking at crippling unemployment.

And that's just our country. Anyone who thinks the US economy can collapse without taking every other country with it is high as balls and hallucinating.

Anybody who thinks the economy can be fully productive when people are scared to go to work because they could get sick or die is high as balls and hallucinating.

That is silly.
When only 70k out of 330 million have died, that only 0.021%.
That means only 2 out of every 10,000 people have died.
No one would be scared about going to work if they were not constantly be lied to and facing hysterical propaganda.

And the culprit is obvious.
When a vaccine is available, think about the profits from selling 330 million anxious customers, a vaccine at $100 a shot?

It's not the number that have died that concerns people, it's number that will die. One does not have to be a scientist or a visionary to see where we're going. The average number of covid 19 deaths per day in the US averaged over the last 2 weeks has been 1650/day. If that death rate continues without increasing due to opening up the country, the death toll will rise to 240,000 by the middle of August and exceed 450,000 by the end of the year. And that's if we're successful in opening the country so the death rate does not increase.

But there are two questions that need to be addressed in that.

One, are the lockdowns actually saving people from dying, or are they just delaying it a little? I mean, we've been locked down to varying degrees for a while now, and cases and deaths keep coming up. And whatever the leftists might like to believe, they aren't concentrated in the areas with less-strict lockdowns. If the lockdowns are delaying people getting it and dying from it, that works IF a vaccine or cure is going to come along soon. Otherwise, the end result is going to be the same.

Two, what about the deaths caused by the lockdowns themselves? Anyone who pretends that reopen vs lockdown is a binary choice between deaths vs no deaths is drunk.

I agree. Lock downs or partial openings of economy only delay new cases and deaths until such time as we have a vaccine to prevent covid19, and/or antivirals to treat it. With over 50 different organization developing vaccines and dozens of drug companies working on antivirals, we are almost certain to have a few next year. Once we do, we will begin saving a lot of lives and building confidence in the safety of both consumers, and workers. Then and only then will we see our lives return to normal and long term economic growth.

IMHO, if we completely open up the country, we certainly would have increases in number cases and deaths and consumers would be very reluctant consumers. People would go to the groceries stores because they feel they need to and yes they would dine out occasionally, go to sporting events, and other activities but they would be reluctance to do so fueled by daily reports of rising number deaths and cases. In the end it will consumers, not goverment or business that decide whether the country opens and stays open.

I don't know any way of determining how many deaths occur do to lock-downs. My gut feel is they are a lot less than 75,000 every two months.

 

[sparky]

I’m advocating that we listen to the experts.

what do we consider to be experts?

virologists? epidemiologists ? regular doctors?

we could pick any one of ^^^^, and ring up their C-19 Utubes ,only to find them fighting among themselves

~S~

 

[sparky]

How in the hell do people grow up to be so fucking stupid?

the whole f*ckin nation has gone stupid....

~S~

 

[sartre play]

Its true we have no definitive answer yet does that mean we should close our ears? I notice that people are not even taking a few seconds be for responding to a post, so they reply with something ass backward, they may just need to vent, its always some one else's fault .

 

[CowboyTed]

Seriously I wrote down a plan on Lockdown Fans: What Is Your Endgame Plan?

Not one of you cared... Endless bickering and not even looked at a pretty sensible draft plan...

There's a simple way to end the lockdown: end it.

So that is the ignore any scientific advise and fuck grandma...

 

[Flopper]

I’m advocating that we listen to the experts.

what do we consider to be experts?

virologists? epidemiologists ? regular doctors?

we could pick any one of ^^^^, and ring up their C-19 Utubes ,only to find them fighting among themselves

~S~

Being human, experts never agree on everything but in regard to the coronavirus, leaders in fields of virology, epidemiology, and medical research, nearly all agree the novel coronavirus is spread primarily through the air between humans. Plus both scientists and anyone with common sense agrees that separating people prevents the spread of the virus. The major disagreements occur when experts start making recommendations that have consequences outside of their field, such as epidemiologists recommend that we keep lock down orders in place which has grave economic consequences.

 

[IM2]

I’m advocating that we listen to the experts.

what do we consider to be experts?

virologists? epidemiologists ? regular doctors?

we could pick any one of ^^^^, and ring up their C-19 Utubes ,only to find them fighting among themselves

~S~

They are the experts and we need to end this time of thinking we know more than experts just because we stayed at a holiday inn express.

 

[CowboyTed]

People who want the lockdowns to continue spend a lot of time shouting slogans and congratulating themselves on how they're "the only ones who care about saving lives", but I have yet to hear any of them tell us what their actual plan is for an endgame, or how they envision the future going forward if we were to cave in to their demands.

So I'd really like to know: if you could convince all the governors to continue the lockdowns, what do you think that looks like? How long do you want it to last, and/or what is your metric for ending it? And then what happens? What's your plan going forward from there? Do you have one?

This is the Irish one...

Key dates: Here's the plan for unwinding restrictions and getting life in Ireland back to normal

The plan was announced by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar this evening.

www.thejournal.ie

Based on the numbers at the time... But this is the initial plan... Still a bit loosey goosey but it is a plan...

• Phase one – 18 May
• Phase two – 8 June
• Phase three – 29 June
• Phase four – 20 July
• Phase five – 10 August

So you're not actually a fan of the lockdowns. That begs the question of whether or not you have been among those attacking anyone who suggests ending them.

I am just looking at the countries who being led by the science...

A measured release with high testing to make sure the lockdown effort wasn't in vain.

Some of the states (eg Georgia) have still 3% daily growth and one of the lowest testing in the country(cira 5000 a day)...

Just to show what science is saying in Irealnd. They have there daily growth down to 0.6% and by the 18th of May (there first phase of opening) they need to have 100,000 tests a week (14k a day)

Testing is the biggest key... It will tell if things are working or not. US is testing at about half the rate of Europe...

 

[bripat9643]

Why do republicans make such disingenuous comments? Nobody likes being done like this. I don't like sitting at home watching films about the 1998 Chicago Bulls. I could care less what Jordan thought about the Pistons. I wanted to see march madness or go to opening day. So when one of these right wing idiots start ranting about democrats enjoying this lockdown, it makes me think violent thoughts about that person. How in the hell do people grow up to be so fucking stupid?

Vile turds like you do enjoy this lockdown. You believe it will help you defeat Trump.

 

[bripat9643]

No one is a fan of the lockdowns. Some people just love their mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers and are not eager to sacrifice them to President Trump's reelection campaign.

250 million people world wide are going to be starving if we don’t get our food supply flowing like it was before the lockdown. How long do you expect to keep grandparents away from their grandkids? This is no where near as simple as you claim it to be.

7.8 billion people world wide are looking at a pandemic right now. We might want to end that first.

And only around 46.8 million of the most unhealthy people are looking at death from covid, vs the 3x that amount, 250 million, infants to elderly, are looking at starving to death. 68 million in this country alone are looking at crippling unemployment.

And that's just our country. Anyone who thinks the US economy can collapse without taking every other country with it is high as balls and hallucinating.

Anybody who thinks the economy can be fully productive when people are scared to go to work because they could get sick or die is high as balls and hallucinating.

That is silly.
When only 70k out of 330 million have died, that only 0.021%.
That means only 2 out of every 10,000 people have died.
No one would be scared about going to work if they were not constantly be lied to and facing hysterical propaganda.

And the culprit is obvious.
When a vaccine is available, think about the profits from selling 330 million anxious customers, a vaccine at $100 a shot?

It's not the number that have died that concerns people, it's number that will die. One does not have to be a scientist or a visionary to see where we're going. The average number of covid 19 deaths per day in the US averaged over the last 2 weeks has been 1650/day. If that death rate continues without increasing due to opening up the country, the death toll will rise to 240,000 by the middle of August and exceed 450,000 by the end of the year. And that's if we're successful in opening the country so the death rate does not increase.

But there are two questions that need to be addressed in that.

One, are the lockdowns actually saving people from dying, or are they just delaying it a little? I mean, we've been locked down to varying degrees for a while now, and cases and deaths keep coming up. And whatever the leftists might like to believe, they aren't concentrated in the areas with less-strict lockdowns. If the lockdowns are delaying people getting it and dying from it, that works IF a vaccine or cure is going to come along soon. Otherwise, the end result is going to be the same.

Two, what about the deaths caused by the lockdowns themselves? Anyone who pretends that reopen vs lockdown is a binary choice between deaths vs no deaths is drunk.

I agree. Lock downs or partial openings of economy only delay new cases and deaths until such time as we have a vaccine to prevent covid19, and/or antivirals to treat it. With over 50 different organization developing vaccines and dozens of drug companies working on antivirals, we are almost certain to have a few next year. Once we do, we will begin saving a lot of lives and building confidence in the safety of both consumers, and workers. Then and only then will we see our lives return to normal and long term economic growth.

IMHO, if we completely open up the country, we certainly would have increases in number cases and deaths and consumers would be very reluctant consumers. People would go to the groceries stores because they feel they need to and yes they would dine out occasionally, go to sporting events, and other activities but they would be reluctance to do so fueled by daily reports of rising number deaths and cases. In the end it will consumers, not goverment or business that decide whether the country opens and stays open.

I don't know any way of determining how many deaths occur do to lock-downs. My gut feel is they are a lot less than 75,000 every two months.

You believe this lockdown can last until next year?

You're a fucking moron.

 

[bripat9643]

People who want the lockdowns to continue spend a lot of time shouting slogans and congratulating themselves on how they're "the only ones who care about saving lives", but I have yet to hear any of them tell us what their actual plan is for an endgame, or how they envision the future going forward if we were to cave in to their demands.

So I'd really like to know: if you could convince all the governors to continue the lockdowns, what do you think that looks like? How long do you want it to last, and/or what is your metric for ending it? And then what happens? What's your plan going forward from there? Do you have one?

This is the Irish one...

Key dates: Here's the plan for unwinding restrictions and getting life in Ireland back to normal

The plan was announced by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar this evening.

www.thejournal.ie

Based on the numbers at the time... But this is the initial plan... Still a bit loosey goosey but it is a plan...

• Phase one – 18 May
• Phase two – 8 June
• Phase three – 29 June
• Phase four – 20 July
• Phase five – 10 August

So you're not actually a fan of the lockdowns. That begs the question of whether or not you have been among those attacking anyone who suggests ending them.

I am just looking at the countries who being led by the science...

A measured release with high testing to make sure the lockdown effort wasn't in vain.

Some of the states (eg Georgia) have still 3% daily growth and one of the lowest testing in the country(cira 5000 a day)...

Just to show what science is saying in Irealnd. They have there daily growth down to 0.6% and by the 18th of May (there first phase of opening) they need to have 100,000 tests a week (14k a day)

Testing is the biggest key... It will tell if things are working or not. US is testing at about half the rate of Europe...

"I am just looking at the countries who being led by the science... "

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

As if you had a clue as to what science is. You're looking for the douchebags who support your agenda.