London murders outnumber New York 2 months in a row...so it starts....

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Not hardly.....Considering Britain banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....23% across England and Wales last year, up 42% in London, and 30% in Yorkshire......if gun control can't work on an island nation that completely banned and confiscated all guns except for the hunting shotguns of the rich.......gun control ain't gonna work anywhere....

And the British gave up their guns on the promise it would make them safer.......it didn't....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.......we know that more guns = less gun crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Hurrah................................

Why does Lithuania have the lowest gun ownership rates in Europe, but in European proportionate totals Lithuania is #1 in suicide, and #2 in murder?

Lithuania's murder rate is about 30% than the U.S.A, and the White murder rate comparison of White America vs Lithuania puts Lithuania's murder rate as about 3 X higher than the U.S.A White murder rate.

#1 Ever been to Lithuania?

#2 see #1.

Lithuania's murder rate is higher than all of it's neighbors except Russia, and Lithuania's suicide rate is higher than every single neighbor.

Now, Lithuania's poverty rates, income levels are similar to it's neighbors, and it's gun ownership rates are lower than it's neighbors.

So, what's your explanation?

My explanation is a mix of Finno-Ugric genes, and a lot of the "Higher caste" Lithuanians being Polonized (Became Polish)

 

[frigidweirdo]

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Germany has a murder rate of 0.85 per 100,000 people.

The UK has a murder rate of 0.92 per 100,000 people.

Yes, it's lower, but not that much lower.

Yes, Germany has a rate ten times higher of gun ownership.

Guns in Germany — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Germany has a gun death rate of 1.01 in 2014, the UK has a gun death rate of 0.22.

10 times more guns, 5 times more gun deaths.

The UK's gun homicide rate is 0.04 and Germany's is 0.05, higher.

What's the difference between Germany and the UK then?

In 10 years Germany's gun homicide rate dropped from 0.12 to 0.05.

In that time unemployment went from 10% to 5%

In the UK the rate dropped from 0.06 to 0.04, however at one point rose to 0.1

Economic factors played a part, gangs played a part.

The UK still has a list of legacies of colonialism. One of those was Jamaica. A person executed in Jamaica gets their execution signed off in London.

The Jamaicans got into the UK visa free. The Yardies turned up and brought guns into the country and the UK tried to deal with that.

The UK does have guns, but most guns that are used in crimes, especially murders, are ones brought in from outside. The UK isn't in the Schengen scheme, however checks aren't that stringent and there's a massive coast line to protect too.

The problem is that in the UK there are not an easy availability of guns, the same as in Germany. Switzerland has a lot more guns than either, and yet, they have lower crime than both in many cases. But to have a gun, you have to go through much stronger checks than in the US.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Does it?

El Paso Texas has a low murder rate in the US, not compared to the rest of the first world.

El Paso's murder rate of 2.5 puts it ahead of every single first world country's murder rate, by quite a way too.

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

That's still a lower murder rate than New York, none the less.

Well, El Paso's a very heavily Hispanic city, it's close to gun free utopia Juarez, Mexico, one of the highest murder rate cities in the World.

So, actually it's pretty crazy that El Paso is so much lower in murder as it is.

Maybe, but there are lots of factors that can put gun crime up or down. It's not all about guns, however you put things into context and you see that guns can have a detrimental effect.

Without guns, and with a national govt that cares, then maybe El Paso's murder rate would be 0.5, who knows?

Murderers can use knives, and mass-murderers can use cars.

Besides, guns can be sold, and bought on the black market.

I've looked at charts of gun ownership vs murder rates, and I've point blank failed to see a correlation.

The assumptions of gun control (freaks) is that Europe has such a low murder rate, and so few guns.

Only on a worldwide scale is the former true, the fact of the matter is Europe has a high gun ownership rate by global standards.

The other assumptions of gun control (freaks) is that Americans are somehow the same as their European counterparts, the truth is no there is a lot of cultural, and racial differences present in the U.S.A, that are not found in Europe.

Yes, this can happen, that can happen and yet the US still has a much higher murder rate and MOST murders are with guns, and the highest fatalities for cops on duty are guns too.

Go figure.

You can "this can happen" all day and night, doesn't change the facts.

1.) Europe has a high rate of gun ownership on a global scale.

2.) Europe is nothing like the U.S.A.

3.) Very few, if any cities in Europe are majority non-White, the same can't be said about the U.S.A, where if anything the opposite holds true.

4.) Culturally Whites in the U.S.A, are not like their European counterparts, for example a lot of Americans are obviously much more aggressive frequently supporting wars, unlike most in Europe.

So? What points are you making. You're just posting random facts.

Let's look at murder rates compared to teams winning the superbowl, this will prove why Europe is much safer, because they've never had a team win the superbowl.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Germany has a murder rate of 0.85 per 100,000 people.

The UK has a murder rate of 0.92 per 100,000 people.

Yes, it's lower, but not that much lower.

Yes, Germany has a rate ten times higher of gun ownership.

Guns in Germany — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Germany has a gun death rate of 1.01 in 2014, the UK has a gun death rate of 0.22.

10 times more guns, 5 times more gun deaths.

The UK's gun homicide rate is 0.04 and Germany's is 0.05, higher.

What's the difference between Germany and the UK then?

In 10 years Germany's gun homicide rate dropped from 0.12 to 0.05.

In that time unemployment went from 10% to 5%

In the UK the rate dropped from 0.06 to 0.04, however at one point rose to 0.1

Economic factors played a part, gangs played a part.

The UK still has a list of legacies of colonialism. One of those was Jamaica. A person executed in Jamaica gets their execution signed off in London.

The Jamaicans got into the UK visa free. The Yardies turned up and brought guns into the country and the UK tried to deal with that.

The UK does have guns, but most guns that are used in crimes, especially murders, are ones brought in from outside. The UK isn't in the Schengen scheme, however checks aren't that stringent and there's a massive coast line to protect too.

The problem is that in the UK there are not an easy availability of guns, the same as in Germany. Switzerland has a lot more guns than either, and yet, they have lower crime than both in many cases. But to have a gun, you have to go through much stronger checks than in the US.

Why do gun control (freaks) always use gun homicide, rather than total homicide, as if someone is less murdered if it's by a knife, rather than a gun.

 

[Taz]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Not hardly.....Considering Britain banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....23% across England and Wales last year, up 42% in London, and 30% in Yorkshire......if gun control can't work on an island nation that completely banned and confiscated all guns except for the hunting shotguns of the rich.......gun control ain't gonna work anywhere....

And the British gave up their guns on the promise it would make them safer.......it didn't....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.......we know that more guns = less gun crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Hurrah................................

Why does Lithuania have the lowest gun ownership rates in Europe, but in European proportionate totals Lithuania is #1 in suicide, and #2 in murder?

Lithuania's murder rate is about 30% than the U.S.A, and the White murder rate comparison of White America vs Lithuania puts Lithuania's murder rate as about 3 X higher than the U.S.A White murder rate.

#1 Ever been to Lithuania?

#2 see #1.

Lithuania's murder rate is higher than all of it's neighbors except Russia, and Lithuania's suicide rate is higher than every single neighbor.

Now, Lithuania's poverty rates, income levels are similar to it's neighbors, and it's gun ownership rates are lower than it's neighbors.

So, what's your explanation?

My explanation is a mix of Finno-Ugric genes, and a lot of the "Higher caste" Lithuanians being Polonized (Became Polish)

The despair pushes them to the edge.

 

[frigidweirdo]

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Germany has a murder rate of 0.85 per 100,000 people.

The UK has a murder rate of 0.92 per 100,000 people.

Yes, it's lower, but not that much lower.

Yes, Germany has a rate ten times higher of gun ownership.

Guns in Germany — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Germany has a gun death rate of 1.01 in 2014, the UK has a gun death rate of 0.22.

10 times more guns, 5 times more gun deaths.

The UK's gun homicide rate is 0.04 and Germany's is 0.05, higher.

What's the difference between Germany and the UK then?

In 10 years Germany's gun homicide rate dropped from 0.12 to 0.05.

In that time unemployment went from 10% to 5%

In the UK the rate dropped from 0.06 to 0.04, however at one point rose to 0.1

Economic factors played a part, gangs played a part.

The UK still has a list of legacies of colonialism. One of those was Jamaica. A person executed in Jamaica gets their execution signed off in London.

The Jamaicans got into the UK visa free. The Yardies turned up and brought guns into the country and the UK tried to deal with that.

The UK does have guns, but most guns that are used in crimes, especially murders, are ones brought in from outside. The UK isn't in the Schengen scheme, however checks aren't that stringent and there's a massive coast line to protect too.

The problem is that in the UK there are not an easy availability of guns, the same as in Germany. Switzerland has a lot more guns than either, and yet, they have lower crime than both in many cases. But to have a gun, you have to go through much stronger checks than in the US.

Why do gun control (freaks) always use gun homicide, rather than total homicide, as if it's someone is less murdered if it's by a knife, rather than a gun.

Do you really need me to explain this to you?

It's like a little boy asking why he needs to pee in the little boy's room. It's so fucking obvious it's painful.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Not hardly.....Considering Britain banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....23% across England and Wales last year, up 42% in London, and 30% in Yorkshire......if gun control can't work on an island nation that completely banned and confiscated all guns except for the hunting shotguns of the rich.......gun control ain't gonna work anywhere....

And the British gave up their guns on the promise it would make them safer.......it didn't....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.......we know that more guns = less gun crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Hurrah................................

Why does Lithuania have the lowest gun ownership rates in Europe, but in European proportionate totals Lithuania is #1 in suicide, and #2 in murder?

Lithuania's murder rate is about 30% than the U.S.A, and the White murder rate comparison of White America vs Lithuania puts Lithuania's murder rate as about 3 X higher than the U.S.A White murder rate.

#1 Ever been to Lithuania?

#2 see #1.

Lithuania's murder rate is higher than all of it's neighbors except Russia, and Lithuania's suicide rate is higher than every single neighbor.

Now, Lithuania's poverty rates, income levels are similar to it's neighbors, and it's gun ownership rates are lower than it's neighbors.

So, what's your explanation?

My explanation is a mix of Finno-Ugric genes, and a lot of the "Higher caste" Lithuanians being Polonized (Became Polish)

The despair pushes them to the edge.

Often it's a case of people not understanding all the intricate little details of why things happen.

They want to look at one chart and go "that prove this"......

d'oh.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Not hardly.....Considering Britain banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....23% across England and Wales last year, up 42% in London, and 30% in Yorkshire......if gun control can't work on an island nation that completely banned and confiscated all guns except for the hunting shotguns of the rich.......gun control ain't gonna work anywhere....

And the British gave up their guns on the promise it would make them safer.......it didn't....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.......we know that more guns = less gun crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Hurrah................................

Why does Lithuania have the lowest gun ownership rates in Europe, but in European proportionate totals Lithuania is #1 in suicide, and #2 in murder?

Lithuania's murder rate is about 30% than the U.S.A, and the White murder rate comparison of White America vs Lithuania puts Lithuania's murder rate as about 3 X higher than the U.S.A White murder rate.

#1 Ever been to Lithuania?

#2 see #1.

Lithuania's murder rate is higher than all of it's neighbors except Russia, and Lithuania's suicide rate is higher than every single neighbor.

Now, Lithuania's poverty rates, income levels are similar to it's neighbors, and it's gun ownership rates are lower than it's neighbors.

So, what's your explanation?

My explanation is a mix of Finno-Ugric genes, and a lot of the "Higher caste" Lithuanians being Polonized (Became Polish)

The despair pushes them to the edge.

What about Lithuania's, Latvian or Polish (Neighbors) having more guns, but less suicide, and less murder than Lithuania?

 

[rightwinger]

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Both are significantly lower that the US

 

[Votto]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

The UK should outlaw guns.

Oh, wait................

 

[Votto]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

Take worst city for crime in the UK and compare it to the best city for crime in the US over 1.5 million people and see where CHERRY PICKING GETS YOU.

Very true.

The goal is to be like Chicago.

Wake us when we get there.........

 

[rightwinger]

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Germany has a murder rate of 0.85 per 100,000 people.

The UK has a murder rate of 0.92 per 100,000 people.

Yes, it's lower, but not that much lower.

Yes, Germany has a rate ten times higher of gun ownership.

Guns in Germany — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Germany has a gun death rate of 1.01 in 2014, the UK has a gun death rate of 0.22.

10 times more guns, 5 times more gun deaths.

The UK's gun homicide rate is 0.04 and Germany's is 0.05, higher.

What's the difference between Germany and the UK then?

In 10 years Germany's gun homicide rate dropped from 0.12 to 0.05.

In that time unemployment went from 10% to 5%

In the UK the rate dropped from 0.06 to 0.04, however at one point rose to 0.1

Economic factors played a part, gangs played a part.

The UK still has a list of legacies of colonialism. One of those was Jamaica. A person executed in Jamaica gets their execution signed off in London.

The Jamaicans got into the UK visa free. The Yardies turned up and brought guns into the country and the UK tried to deal with that.

The UK does have guns, but most guns that are used in crimes, especially murders, are ones brought in from outside. The UK isn't in the Schengen scheme, however checks aren't that stringent and there's a massive coast line to protect too.

The problem is that in the UK there are not an easy availability of guns, the same as in Germany. Switzerland has a lot more guns than either, and yet, they have lower crime than both in many cases. But to have a gun, you have to go through much stronger checks than in the US.

Why do gun control (freaks) always use gun homicide, rather than total homicide, as if someone is less murdered if it's by a knife, rather than a gun.

Because when we look at our homicides, two thirds are done by guns
If they were done by pushing people out of windows, we can talk about reducing the number of window deaths

 

[Taz]

Hurrah................................

Why does Lithuania have the lowest gun ownership rates in Europe, but in European proportionate totals Lithuania is #1 in suicide, and #2 in murder?

Lithuania's murder rate is about 30% than the U.S.A, and the White murder rate comparison of White America vs Lithuania puts Lithuania's murder rate as about 3 X higher than the U.S.A White murder rate.

#1 Ever been to Lithuania?

#2 see #1.

Lithuania's murder rate is higher than all of it's neighbors except Russia, and Lithuania's suicide rate is higher than every single neighbor.

Now, Lithuania's poverty rates, income levels are similar to it's neighbors, and it's gun ownership rates are lower than it's neighbors.

So, what's your explanation?

My explanation is a mix of Finno-Ugric genes, and a lot of the "Higher caste" Lithuanians being Polonized (Became Polish)

The despair pushes them to the edge.

What about Lithuania's, Latvian or Polish (Neighbors) having more guns, but less suicide, and less murder than Lithuania?

Must be a whole lot of despair in a shithole like Lithuania.

 

[Votto]

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Germany has a murder rate of 0.85 per 100,000 people.

The UK has a murder rate of 0.92 per 100,000 people.

Yes, it's lower, but not that much lower.

Yes, Germany has a rate ten times higher of gun ownership.

Guns in Germany — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Germany has a gun death rate of 1.01 in 2014, the UK has a gun death rate of 0.22.

10 times more guns, 5 times more gun deaths.

The UK's gun homicide rate is 0.04 and Germany's is 0.05, higher.

What's the difference between Germany and the UK then?

In 10 years Germany's gun homicide rate dropped from 0.12 to 0.05.

In that time unemployment went from 10% to 5%

In the UK the rate dropped from 0.06 to 0.04, however at one point rose to 0.1

Economic factors played a part, gangs played a part.

The UK still has a list of legacies of colonialism. One of those was Jamaica. A person executed in Jamaica gets their execution signed off in London.

The Jamaicans got into the UK visa free. The Yardies turned up and brought guns into the country and the UK tried to deal with that.

The UK does have guns, but most guns that are used in crimes, especially murders, are ones brought in from outside. The UK isn't in the Schengen scheme, however checks aren't that stringent and there's a massive coast line to protect too.

The problem is that in the UK there are not an easy availability of guns, the same as in Germany. Switzerland has a lot more guns than either, and yet, they have lower crime than both in many cases. But to have a gun, you have to go through much stronger checks than in the US.

Why do gun control (freaks) always use gun homicide, rather than total homicide, as if someone is less murdered if it's by a knife, rather than a gun.

Because when we look at our homicides, two thirds are done by guns
If they were done by pushing people out of windows, we can talk about reducing the number of window deaths

Death by any other means other than guns is socially acceptable.

I always wanted to go with my parachute not opening while sky diving under a group of Playboy Bunnies over top of me.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Both are significantly lower that the US

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Both are significantly lower that the US

There's 2 assumptions there.

1.) That Americans, and Europeans are somehow similar, which is untrue

2.) That Europe somehow correlates it's murder with guns, quite the opposite the UK has a high murder rate, and a very low gun ownership rate by Western European standards, and many Eastern European countries have similar, or lower gun ownership rates, but higher murder rates than the UK.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Why does Lithuania have the lowest gun ownership rates in Europe, but in European proportionate totals Lithuania is #1 in suicide, and #2 in murder?

Lithuania's murder rate is about 30% than the U.S.A, and the White murder rate comparison of White America vs Lithuania puts Lithuania's murder rate as about 3 X higher than the U.S.A White murder rate.

#1 Ever been to Lithuania?

#2 see #1.

Lithuania's murder rate is higher than all of it's neighbors except Russia, and Lithuania's suicide rate is higher than every single neighbor.

Now, Lithuania's poverty rates, income levels are similar to it's neighbors, and it's gun ownership rates are lower than it's neighbors.

So, what's your explanation?

My explanation is a mix of Finno-Ugric genes, and a lot of the "Higher caste" Lithuanians being Polonized (Became Polish)

The despair pushes them to the edge.

What about Lithuania's, Latvian or Polish (Neighbors) having more guns, but less suicide, and less murder than Lithuania?

Must be a whole lot of despair in a shithole like Lithuania.

Poland's gun ownership rate, and poverty rates are both higher than Lithuania, but Poland's murder rate, and suicide rate are both way below that of Lithuania.

What the true difference seems to be is "Racial" ones.

Lithuanians are mostly N haplogroup (Finno-Ugric) while Poles are mostly R1a haplogroup (Aryan-Slavic)

 

[frigidweirdo]

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Both are significantly lower that the US

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Both are significantly lower that the US

There's 2 assumptions there.

1.) That Americans, and Europeans are somehow similar, which is untrue

2.) That Europe somehow correlates it's murder with guns, quite the opposite the UK has a high murder rate, and a very low gun ownership rate by Western European standards, and many Eastern European countries have similar, or lower gun ownership rates, but higher murder rates than the UK.

1) Americans and Europeans are much more similar than say Americans and Africans, Americans and Asians, especially the British.

The British and Spanish are further apart than the British and Americans, for example.

2) Somehow? You mean, you don't know. Seems that way.

In the US gun murders make up around 3/4 of all murders, depends on the year. Guns are certainly the choice weapon.

In the UK it's 8% of murders, Germany 11% of murders.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Both are significantly lower that the US

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Both are significantly lower that the US

There's 2 assumptions there.

1.) That Americans, and Europeans are somehow similar, which is untrue

2.) That Europe somehow correlates it's murder with guns, quite the opposite the UK has a high murder rate, and a very low gun ownership rate by Western European standards, and many Eastern European countries have similar, or lower gun ownership rates, but higher murder rates than the UK.

1) Americans and Europeans are much more similar than say Americans and Africans, Americans and Asians, especially the British.

The British and Spanish are further apart than the British and Americans, for example.

2) Somehow? You mean, you don't know. Seems that way.

In the US gun murders make up around 3/4 of all murders, depends on the year. Guns are certainly the choice weapon.

In the UK it's 8% of murders, Germany 11% of murders.

Well, Scotland long had the lowest rate of gun ownership rates in Western Europe, but also the highest true Western European murder rates too.

Only if you included Finland as Western Europe, then would there have been a higher murder rate.

Now, it seems France has the highest murder rate, but once again this seems to be very much like in the U.S.A, much of a racial issue, as France has a lot of Muslims, unlike Scotland.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I think it's faulty logic to think that the British Americans are the same as British in the UK.

They're actually quite different, sometimes even opposite.

Some examples include on gun control, and war the British in the U.S.A vs the British in the UK are complete opposites.

Also the British who came to the U.S.A, are largely colonial stock, who came fighting off Bears, Wolves, and Native Americans.

Why would anyone think a colonial stock would be the same as the original stock?

Look at Argentina vs Spain where Argentina has a much higher murder rate than it's host nations like Spain, or Italy.

Yes, Whites in states in the South, or Alaska, Idaho, etc. do tend to have higher murder rates than Whites in states like New York, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, or Connecticut where there's much more new comers.

In Canada the more Western sections have higher murder rates too, where there's more frontiers people.

 

[K9Buck]

Then find a credible source. Breitbart is for dummies.

Breitbart cited their source. You don't like the article because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative and that's why you don't see it on CNN or Huffington post. Liberals like you live in a narrative, NOT in reality. Here is Breitbart's source, which they linked in their article.

London murder rate beats New York as stabbings surge