London murders outnumber New York 2 months in a row...so it starts....

[SavannahMann]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Not hardly.....Considering Britain banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....23% across England and Wales last year, up 42% in London, and 30% in Yorkshire......if gun control can't work on an island nation that completely banned and confiscated all guns except for the hunting shotguns of the rich.......gun control ain't gonna work anywhere....

And the British gave up their guns on the promise it would make them safer.......it didn't....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.......we know that more guns = less gun crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Hurrah................................

So London’s murder don’t count. Got it. Stabbing is a proper way to be killed. Bludgeon is of course a good and civilized way to be murdered. But a gun? The horror.

 

[Taz]

It should read "all those cities have gun control laws that don't work".

Pretty much banning guns don't work? Thanks for proving my point.

Whatever they're doing sure isn't working. Time for some real gun control laws. Well, if less gun violence and gun murders is your goal.

Let law abiding citizens own and carry a gun. The crime would go down over night.

So everyone has to be packing to live in your world. No thanks.

No, I'm not a liberal. If you don't want to own a gun, then don't buy one. But don't take my right to carry one if I chose.

I'm not a gun confiscator. Please try again.

 

[2aguy]

Pretty much banning guns don't work? Thanks for proving my point.

Whatever they're doing sure isn't working. Time for some real gun control laws. Well, if less gun violence and gun murders is your goal.

Let law abiding citizens own and carry a gun. The crime would go down over night.

So everyone has to be packing to live in your world. No thanks.

No, I'm not a liberal. If you don't want to own a gun, then don't buy one. But don't take my right to carry one if I chose.

I'm not a gun confiscator. Please try again.

If you vote for leftists...if you vote for democrats you are a gun confiscator...

 

[MindWars]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Not hardly.....Considering Britain banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....23% across England and Wales last year, up 42% in London, and 30% in Yorkshire......if gun control can't work on an island nation that completely banned and confiscated all guns except for the hunting shotguns of the rich.......gun control ain't gonna work anywhere....

And the British gave up their guns on the promise it would make them safer.......it didn't....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.......we know that more guns = less gun crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

They can't figure out that after you ban the guns, the idiots will ban the knives. Yes we know they are that far gone from reality lol.

 

[2aguy]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

View attachment 185794

It should read "all those cities have gun control laws that don't work".

..STL, Mo is very pro-gun with a very high murder rate---one of the highest
..STL in top 10 most dangerous cities in US--sometimes number 1 and one of the most dangerous in the world..higher than CHi, NYC, and LA
St. Louis tops list of, ’25 Most Dangerous Cities in America’
..STL murder rate higher than gun controlled Chicago, NYC and LA
..very pro-gun MO has a higher murder rate the IL, NY and CA

And there you go....you have seen this information, you know the truth, you keep posting the same crap....St. Louis has been run by democrats since 1949......democrats keep releasing violent criminals, gun criminals who drive their gun crime rate.....it isn't law abiding gun owners who own guns and also carry them for self defense.....

You are nothing more than a gun grabber.....

Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

 

[2aguy]

post # 63 cross checked with STL as one of the top most dangerous cities in the WORLD
other US cities rank higher than London...

Four cities in the United States made the list. The most violent cities include St Louis (Missouri), Baltimore (Maryland), New Orleans (Louisiana) and Detroit (Michigan)

St. Louis Named No. 19 Most Dangerous City in the World
Revealed: The 50 most dangerous cities in the world - are any in Europe?
your thread stats are not even close

Again.....you know the truth...it isn't law abiding gun owners driving the gun crime rate in St. Louis...it is democrat policies and democrats letting violent criminals out of jail...over and over again,

Democrats in charge since 1949

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia


Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia

 

[harmonica]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

View attachment 185794

It should read "all those cities have gun control laws that don't work".

..STL, Mo is very pro-gun with a very high murder rate---one of the highest
..STL in top 10 most dangerous cities in US--sometimes number 1 and one of the most dangerous in the world..higher than CHi, NYC, and LA
St. Louis tops list of, ’25 Most Dangerous Cities in America’
..STL murder rate higher than gun controlled Chicago, NYC and LA
..very pro-gun MO has a higher murder rate the IL, NY and CA

And there you go....you have seen this information, you know the truth, you keep posting the same crap....St. Louis has been run by democrats since 1949......democrats keep releasing violent criminals, gun criminals who drive their gun crime rate.....it isn't law abiding gun owners who own guns and also carry them for self defense.....

You are nothing more than a gun grabber.....

Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

UK murder rate many TIMES lower than US
there--final---and you bring up London
what about Jacksonville, Parkland, Phoenix, etc?

 

[harmonica]

post # 63 cross checked with STL as one of the top most dangerous cities in the WORLD
other US cities rank higher than London...

Four cities in the United States made the list. The most violent cities include St Louis (Missouri), Baltimore (Maryland), New Orleans (Louisiana) and Detroit (Michigan)

St. Louis Named No. 19 Most Dangerous City in the World
Revealed: The 50 most dangerous cities in the world - are any in Europe?
your thread stats are not even close

Again.....you know the truth...it isn't law abiding gun owners driving the gun crime rate in St. Louis...it is democrat policies and democrats letting violent criminals out of jail...over and over again,

Democrats in charge since 1949

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia


Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia

what about the other US cities on the world's most dangerous cities lists?? London is NOT on it

 

[2aguy]

2Aguy has fallen for MSM crap

In March, there were 22 murders, which is likely to match if not beat out New York's numbers.

likely......to match!!!!!!!

Although New York last year had nearly double the number of murders than London, experts are concerned the gap is steadily closing

NYC DOUBLE the murders......London closing---NOT outnumbering !!
..this is only March

and NYC has very strict gun laws!!!
very pro-gun St Louis population 320,000 2018 1 month murders 27
Jacksonville population 880,600 January murders 9
London population 8,700,000 2018 1 month murders 22
London pop. TEN times Jacksonvilee but only TWO times murders !!!!!!!!
London pop. TWENTY SEVEN times STL and LESS murders [ if my math is correct ]

Phoenix AZ 1 man 9 killings in less than a month
27 homicides in St. Louis area in first month of 2018, three fewer than last year
Jacksonville homicides in January 2018

Arizona Man Charged in Nine Killings Over Three Weeks

And, gun grabber......Baltimore has extreme gun control....and a higher murder rate than other cities with extreme gun control and even Houston...

Baltimore....Rifle ban, fingerprinting gun owners, magazine limits, waiting periods, carry bans...

Houston, gun stores on every corner, open and concealed carry, and on the border with the Narco state of Mexico..

Murder rate 2017

Baltimore......343

Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961
Detroit...........672,795
Milwaukee.....595,647

St. Louis.......311,404

Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142

St. Louis..........188

 

[harmonica]

2Aguy has fallen for MSM crap

In March, there were 22 murders, which is likely to match if not beat out New York's numbers.

likely......to match!!!!!!!

Although New York last year had nearly double the number of murders than London, experts are concerned the gap is steadily closing

NYC DOUBLE the murders......London closing---NOT outnumbering !!
..this is only March

and NYC has very strict gun laws!!!
very pro-gun St Louis population 320,000 2018 1 month murders 27
Jacksonville population 880,600 January murders 9
London population 8,700,000 2018 1 month murders 22
London pop. TEN times Jacksonvilee but only TWO times murders !!!!!!!!
London pop. TWENTY SEVEN times STL and LESS murders [ if my math is correct ]

Phoenix AZ 1 man 9 killings in less than a month
27 homicides in St. Louis area in first month of 2018, three fewer than last year
Jacksonville homicides in January 2018

Arizona Man Charged in Nine Killings Over Three Weeks

And, gun grabber......Baltimore has extreme gun control....and a higher murder rate than other cities with extreme gun control and even Houston...

Baltimore....Rifle ban, fingerprinting gun owners, magazine limits, waiting periods, carry bans...

Houston, gun stores on every corner, open and concealed carry, and on the border with the Narco state of Mexico..

Murder rate 2017

Baltimore......343

Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961
Detroit...........672,795
Milwaukee.....595,647

St. Louis.......311,404

Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142

St. Louis..........188

and it's higher than London
no European cities on the list and you bring up London as an example
I tell you what--you come back in Dec and we'll see

 

[2aguy]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

View attachment 185794

It should read "all those cities have gun control laws that don't work".

..STL, Mo is very pro-gun with a very high murder rate---one of the highest
..STL in top 10 most dangerous cities in US--sometimes number 1 and one of the most dangerous in the world..higher than CHi, NYC, and LA
St. Louis tops list of, ’25 Most Dangerous Cities in America’
..STL murder rate higher than gun controlled Chicago, NYC and LA
..very pro-gun MO has a higher murder rate the IL, NY and CA

And there you go....you have seen this information, you know the truth, you keep posting the same crap....St. Louis has been run by democrats since 1949......democrats keep releasing violent criminals, gun criminals who drive their gun crime rate.....it isn't law abiding gun owners who own guns and also carry them for self defense.....

You are nothing more than a gun grabber.....

Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

-----------

Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
----
When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

UK murder rate many TIMES lower than US
there--final---and you bring up London
what about Jacksonville, Parkland, Phoenix, etc?

Dip shit.....the murder rate isn't the issue with gun control......since Britain had a low murder rate before they banned and confiscated guns.......now their murder rate is going up...after they banned guns, as is their violent crime rate....violent crime rates lead the murder rate as criminals care less and less about the health and welfare of their victims...

Britain


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/935885/Crime-numbers-Britain-Yorkshire-highest-county-latest-figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.

 

[irosie91]

It has been proven by great muslim scientists, theologians and physicists---that
a person intent on murder can function without guns

 

[2aguy]

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Germany has a murder rate of 0.85 per 100,000 people.

The UK has a murder rate of 0.92 per 100,000 people.

Yes, it's lower, but not that much lower.

Yes, Germany has a rate ten times higher of gun ownership.

Guns in Germany — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Germany has a gun death rate of 1.01 in 2014, the UK has a gun death rate of 0.22.

10 times more guns, 5 times more gun deaths.

The UK's gun homicide rate is 0.04 and Germany's is 0.05, higher.

What's the difference between Germany and the UK then?

In 10 years Germany's gun homicide rate dropped from 0.12 to 0.05.

In that time unemployment went from 10% to 5%

In the UK the rate dropped from 0.06 to 0.04, however at one point rose to 0.1

Economic factors played a part, gangs played a part.

The UK still has a list of legacies of colonialism. One of those was Jamaica. A person executed in Jamaica gets their execution signed off in London.

The Jamaicans got into the UK visa free. The Yardies turned up and brought guns into the country and the UK tried to deal with that.

The UK does have guns, but most guns that are used in crimes, especially murders, are ones brought in from outside. The UK isn't in the Schengen scheme, however checks aren't that stringent and there's a massive coast line to protect too.

The problem is that in the UK there are not an easy availability of guns, the same as in Germany. Switzerland has a lot more guns than either, and yet, they have lower crime than both in many cases. But to have a gun, you have to go through much stronger checks than in the US.

Why do gun control (freaks) always use gun homicide, rather than total homicide, as if someone is less murdered if it's by a knife, rather than a gun.

Because when we look at our homicides, two thirds are done by guns
If they were done by pushing people out of windows, we can talk about reducing the number of window deaths

And Americans use their legal guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year......

 

[2aguy]

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.

1) Evidence.....

2) What's your point?

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Germany has a murder rate of 0.85 per 100,000 people.

The UK has a murder rate of 0.92 per 100,000 people.

Yes, it's lower, but not that much lower.

Yes, Germany has a rate ten times higher of gun ownership.

Guns in Germany — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Germany has a gun death rate of 1.01 in 2014, the UK has a gun death rate of 0.22.

10 times more guns, 5 times more gun deaths.

The UK's gun homicide rate is 0.04 and Germany's is 0.05, higher.

What's the difference between Germany and the UK then?

In 10 years Germany's gun homicide rate dropped from 0.12 to 0.05.

In that time unemployment went from 10% to 5%

In the UK the rate dropped from 0.06 to 0.04, however at one point rose to 0.1

Economic factors played a part, gangs played a part.

The UK still has a list of legacies of colonialism. One of those was Jamaica. A person executed in Jamaica gets their execution signed off in London.

The Jamaicans got into the UK visa free. The Yardies turned up and brought guns into the country and the UK tried to deal with that.

The UK does have guns, but most guns that are used in crimes, especially murders, are ones brought in from outside. The UK isn't in the Schengen scheme, however checks aren't that stringent and there's a massive coast line to protect too.

The problem is that in the UK there are not an easy availability of guns, the same as in Germany. Switzerland has a lot more guns than either, and yet, they have lower crime than both in many cases. But to have a gun, you have to go through much stronger checks than in the US.

Why do gun control (freaks) always use gun homicide, rather than total homicide, as if someone is less murdered if it's by a knife, rather than a gun.

The reason is that the cultures in Europe do not commit murder as often with their guns....but, after Europe did absolutely everything that American gun control extremists want.....gun crime in Europe is going up.....which destroys their entire argument that more guns = more gun crime....they can't even keep grenades out of the hands of their criminals in Europe....and in Europe, their criminals do not use AR-15 civilian rifles....they use fully automatic military rifles.......even the street level criminals....

In America, we did the opposite.....more Americans bought guns, over 17 million americans now carry guns......and our gun crime rate went down...

Again, destroying the anti gun argument...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[harmonica]

View attachment 185794

It should read "all those cities have gun control laws that don't work".

..STL, Mo is very pro-gun with a very high murder rate---one of the highest
..STL in top 10 most dangerous cities in US--sometimes number 1 and one of the most dangerous in the world..higher than CHi, NYC, and LA
St. Louis tops list of, ’25 Most Dangerous Cities in America’
..STL murder rate higher than gun controlled Chicago, NYC and LA
..very pro-gun MO has a higher murder rate the IL, NY and CA

And there you go....you have seen this information, you know the truth, you keep posting the same crap....St. Louis has been run by democrats since 1949......democrats keep releasing violent criminals, gun criminals who drive their gun crime rate.....it isn't law abiding gun owners who own guns and also carry them for self defense.....

You are nothing more than a gun grabber.....

Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

UK murder rate many TIMES lower than US
there--final---and you bring up London
what about Jacksonville, Parkland, Phoenix, etc?

Dip shit.....the murder rate isn't the issue with gun control......since Britain had a low murder rate before they banned and confiscated guns.......now their murder rate is going up...after they banned guns, as is their violent crime rate....violent crime rates lead the murder rate as criminals care less and less about the health and welfare of their victims...

Britain

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.

London with TWENTY SEVEN times the population of very pro-gun STL and about the same murders---and you use it for a pro-gun argument???!!!
London murders 2017 ---130 ..pop. 8,700,000
here's some more US cities other than STL
very pro-gun also
Dallas--murders 163 ... pop. 1,300,000
Phoenix--murders 152...pop 1,650,000
Phoenix sees uptick in homicides for 2nd straight year; most killings in a decade
Dallas Police Solved Fewer Than Half of the City's Homicides in 2016

 

[2aguy]

Hurrah................................

Why does Lithuania have the lowest gun ownership rates in Europe, but in European proportionate totals Lithuania is #1 in suicide, and #2 in murder?

Lithuania's murder rate is about 30% than the U.S.A, and the White murder rate comparison of White America vs Lithuania puts Lithuania's murder rate as about 3 X higher than the U.S.A White murder rate.

#1 Ever been to Lithuania?

#2 see #1.

Lithuania's murder rate is higher than all of it's neighbors except Russia, and Lithuania's suicide rate is higher than every single neighbor.

Now, Lithuania's poverty rates, income levels are similar to it's neighbors, and it's gun ownership rates are lower than it's neighbors.

So, what's your explanation?

My explanation is a mix of Finno-Ugric genes, and a lot of the "Higher caste" Lithuanians being Polonized (Became Polish)

The despair pushes them to the edge.

Often it's a case of people not understanding all the intricate little details of why things happen.

They want to look at one chart and go "that prove this"......

d'oh.

No....you guys pretend that it is only the gun the gun that is the problem....while on our side we keep telling you that it is criminals, who democrats keep letting out of jail over and over again, that drive our gun murder rate....

Of the 11,004 gun murders in the United States....90% of the shooters had prior criminal records, many with multiple felonies, often gun crimes.....and 70-80% of the victims are other criminals....

Law abiding people who own and carry guns do not increase the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate or the violent crime rate...


Democrats, continuously letting violent gun criminals out of jail causes the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate and the violent crime rate to stay at higher levels........

Democrats in action, driving up the murder rate across our major cities...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

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felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds



Study: Chicago homicides spiked due to ACLU police decree

Cassell and Fowles have studied the spike of homicides in Chicago in 2016. Through multiple regression analysis and other tools, they conclude that an ACLU consent decree triggered a sharp reduction in stop and frisks by the Chicago Police Department, which in turn caused homicides to spike. In other words, what Chicago police officers call the“ACLU effect” is real. That effect was more homicides and shootings.

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Detailed regression analysis of the homicide (and related shooting) data strongly supports what visual observation suggests. Using monthly data from 2012 through 2016, we are able to control for such factors as temperature, homicides in other parts of Illinois, 9-1-1 calls (as a measure of police-citizen cooperation), and arrests for various types of crimes.


Even controlling for these factors, our equations indicate that the steep decline in stop and frisks was strongly linked, at high levels of statistical significance, to the sharp increase in homicides (and other shooting crimes) in 2016.

Cassell and Fowles then searched for other possible factors that might be responsible for the Chicago homicide spike. None fit the data as well as the decline in stop and frisks.

Cassell and Fowles quantified the costs of the decline in stop and frisks in human and financial terms.


They found that, because of fewer stop and frisks in 2016, a conservative estimate is that approximately 236 additional homicides and 1115 additional shootings occurred during that year.


A reasonable estimate of the social costs associated with these additional homicides and shootings is about $1,500,000,000. And these costs are heavily concentrated in Chicago’s African-American and Hispanic communities.



Maryland's new crime bill is a start, but remains weak tea


Senators voted 36-8 to approve the legislation, which was put together by Sen. Bobby Zirkin, a Baltimore County Democrat who chairs the Judicial Proceedings Committee, as a comprehensive response to a surge in violent crime in Baltimore last year.

Much of the opposition came from Baltimore, where a majority of the delegation voted no.

A couple of things to note in here. First, the bill passed by a wide margin in the Senate (still needs House approval) but almost all of the opposition came from the state senators from the Baltimore area.

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They also rejected the Governor’s call for increased mandatory minimums for gun crimes.

 

[2aguy]

It should read "all those cities have gun control laws that don't work".

..STL, Mo is very pro-gun with a very high murder rate---one of the highest
..STL in top 10 most dangerous cities in US--sometimes number 1 and one of the most dangerous in the world..higher than CHi, NYC, and LA
St. Louis tops list of, ’25 Most Dangerous Cities in America’
..STL murder rate higher than gun controlled Chicago, NYC and LA
..very pro-gun MO has a higher murder rate the IL, NY and CA

And there you go....you have seen this information, you know the truth, you keep posting the same crap....St. Louis has been run by democrats since 1949......democrats keep releasing violent criminals, gun criminals who drive their gun crime rate.....it isn't law abiding gun owners who own guns and also carry them for self defense.....

You are nothing more than a gun grabber.....

Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

UK murder rate many TIMES lower than US
there--final---and you bring up London
what about Jacksonville, Parkland, Phoenix, etc?

Dip shit.....the murder rate isn't the issue with gun control......since Britain had a low murder rate before they banned and confiscated guns.......now their murder rate is going up...after they banned guns, as is their violent crime rate....violent crime rates lead the murder rate as criminals care less and less about the health and welfare of their victims...

Britain

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.

London with TWENTY SEVEN times the population of very pro-gun STL and about the same murders---and you use it for a pro-gun argument???!!!
London murders 2017 ---130 ..pop. 8,700,000
here's some more US cities other than STL
very pro-gun also
Dallas--murders 163 ... pop. 1,300,000
Phoenix--murders 152...pop 1,650,000
Phoenix sees uptick in homicides for 2nd straight year; most killings in a decade
Dallas Police Solved Fewer Than Half of the City's Homicides in 2016

Yes....dumb ass....the entire point of Britain banning and confiscating guns was to reduce gun crime and gun murder......

Gun crime has gone up in Britain, their murder rate went up, leveled off and is now going up again...

The law abiding gave up their guns on the promise they would be safer.....they are not safer, their country is more dangerous and getting more dangerous......

Their murder rates are going up...not down....

Britain...banned guns....

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.


The U.S., more people own and carry guns, over 17 million people carry guns...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Crepitus]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Not hardly.....Considering Britain banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....23% across England and Wales last year, up 42% in London, and 30% in Yorkshire......if gun control can't work on an island nation that completely banned and confiscated all guns except for the hunting shotguns of the rich.......gun control ain't gonna work anywhere....

And the British gave up their guns on the promise it would make them safer.......it didn't....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.......we know that more guns = less gun crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Crime in NYC is at historic lows following a 20+ year downward trend. That has more to do with your headline than London's momentary spike.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Both are significantly lower that the US

Germany has a lot higher gun ownership rate than the UK, and also a lower murder rate than the UK.

How come?

Both are significantly lower that the US

There's 2 assumptions there.

1.) That Americans, and Europeans are somehow similar, which is untrue

2.) That Europe somehow correlates it's murder with guns, quite the opposite the UK has a high murder rate, and a very low gun ownership rate by Western European standards, and many Eastern European countries have similar, or lower gun ownership rates, but higher murder rates than the UK.

1) Americans and Europeans are much more similar than say Americans and Africans, Americans and Asians, especially the British.

The British and Spanish are further apart than the British and Americans, for example.

2) Somehow? You mean, you don't know. Seems that way.

In the US gun murders make up around 3/4 of all murders, depends on the year. Guns are certainly the choice weapon.

In the UK it's 8% of murders, Germany 11% of murders.

Well, Scotland long had the lowest rate of gun ownership rates in Western Europe, but also the highest true Western European murder rates too.

Only if you included Finland as Western Europe, then would there have been a higher murder rate.

Now, it seems France has the highest murder rate, but once again this seems to be very much like in the U.S.A, much of a racial issue, as France has a lot of Muslims, unlike Scotland.

Any evidence? I asked before and you ignored it.

Well, what evidence do you have for gun control limiting murder?

 

[2aguy]

It should read "all those cities have gun control laws that don't work".

..STL, Mo is very pro-gun with a very high murder rate---one of the highest
..STL in top 10 most dangerous cities in US--sometimes number 1 and one of the most dangerous in the world..higher than CHi, NYC, and LA
St. Louis tops list of, ’25 Most Dangerous Cities in America’
..STL murder rate higher than gun controlled Chicago, NYC and LA
..very pro-gun MO has a higher murder rate the IL, NY and CA

And there you go....you have seen this information, you know the truth, you keep posting the same crap....St. Louis has been run by democrats since 1949......democrats keep releasing violent criminals, gun criminals who drive their gun crime rate.....it isn't law abiding gun owners who own guns and also carry them for self defense.....

You are nothing more than a gun grabber.....

Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

UK murder rate many TIMES lower than US
there--final---and you bring up London
what about Jacksonville, Parkland, Phoenix, etc?

Dip shit.....the murder rate isn't the issue with gun control......since Britain had a low murder rate before they banned and confiscated guns.......now their murder rate is going up...after they banned guns, as is their violent crime rate....violent crime rates lead the murder rate as criminals care less and less about the health and welfare of their victims...

Britain

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.

London with TWENTY SEVEN times the population of very pro-gun STL and about the same murders---and you use it for a pro-gun argument???!!!
London murders 2017 ---130 ..pop. 8,700,000
here's some more US cities other than STL
very pro-gun also
Dallas--murders 163 ... pop. 1,300,000
Phoenix--murders 152...pop 1,650,000
Phoenix sees uptick in homicides for 2nd straight year; most killings in a decade
Dallas Police Solved Fewer Than Half of the City's Homicides in 2016

Yes.....notice Baltimore...with extreme gun control, on the East coast without even close to the same population has almost double the gun murders of Phoenix and Dallas even though those two cities are in a state that borders the Narco state of Mexico....you dumb ass...

From your post...notice the difference between Dallas, Phoenix and Baltimore......according to your numbers...? Baltimore has extreme gun control....everything you gun grabbers want......and is on the other side of the country from the Narco state of Mexico.......

Dallas--murders 163 ... pop. 1,300,000
Phoenix--murders 152...pop 1,650,000
Houston--murders 301...pop 2,300,000

Murder rate 2017

Baltimore......343

Population....620,961



Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961
Detroit...........672,795
Milwaukee.....595,647

St. Louis.......311,404

Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142