Long Islanders RAIL against the NY SAFE act

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Very well done. New York is overstepping its bounds by telling people what to do with their firearms. I advocate reasonable reform, not this nonsense. Keep giving them whats for.

So much for conservative advocacy of ‘states’ rights…’

Which is fine, given the fact the rights of the minority aren’t determined by majority rule, and the 14th Amendment applies the Federal Constitution to the states, including the Second Amendment.

The problem, as usual, is conservative inconsistency: if New York is “overstepping its bounds by telling people what to do with their firearms,” then the states are also overstepping their bounds by telling a woman whether she may have an abortion or not, or telling same-sex couples they may not marry.

Conservatives can’t have it both ways just because they approve of guns but disapprove of privacy and equal protection rights.

But there’s no ‘right to privacy’ in the Constitution, it’s a made up right.

There’s no right to self-defense in the Constitution either, nor an individual right to own a handgun, are those ‘made up’ rights as well?

Conservatives need to understand that the Constitution is not a cafeteria plan, they can’t pick the rights they like and reject the rights they don’t like. If New York gun laws are in violation of the Constitution, then so too is North Dakota’s anti-abortion measure and California’s Proposition 8.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

the 14th Amendment applies the Federal Constitution to the states, including the Second Amendment.

Thanks, "Shall not be infringed."

Could not have proved our concern any better.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Everything NY State did was perfectly legal and constitutional. Stupid policy, yes. But legal.
The problem is the broad just before you who says she's a Democrat. As long as people keep voting Democrat (and in NY Republican is the same as Democrat) they will keep getting crappy laws like this.

NY has already knuckled under to the idea that gov't is unlimited and can institute anything it wants 'for your own good."

The fact is most new Yorkers are generally conservative in their ideology. However, they vote democrat because they enjoy the status quo.
The typical resident of New York rails against their high taxes and expresses venom toward their state government in Albany. Many of them complain about the state pension system and state welfare system as the cause of budget shortfalls. Yet, they continue to vote for the very people that keep these things in place.
New Yorkers tend to complain a lot, but will do nothing to correct that which irritates them.
In conclusion, most New Yorkers get what they ask for.

 

[t_polkow]

I myself start speaking in this video at 20:10, Edward Solomon

I love the man speaking at 1:30
Long Islanders Rail Against NY Safe Act Legislators - YouTube!

If you are a New York resident and disagree with the law get an attorney and sue the State for violating your second amendment rights. Ohh and elect reasonable people to run your Government.

People in NYC and on Long Island aren't obsessed with guns like they are in jesusland.The majority of the people here aren't paranoid gun huggers

 

[t_polkow]

Everything NY State did was perfectly legal and constitutional. Stupid policy, yes. But legal.
The problem is the broad just before you who says she's a Democrat. As long as people keep voting Democrat (and in NY Republican is the same as Democrat) they will keep getting crappy laws like this.

NY has already knuckled under to the idea that gov't is unlimited and can institute anything it wants 'for your own good."

The fact is most new Yorkers are generally conservative in their ideology. However, they vote democrat because they enjoy the status quo.
The typical resident of New York rails against their high taxes and expresses venom toward their state government in Albany. Many of them complain about the state pension system and state welfare system as the cause of budget shortfalls. Yet, they continue to vote for the very people that keep these things in place.
New Yorkers tend to complain a lot, but will do nothing to correct that which irritates them.
In conclusion, most New Yorkers get what they ask for.

Funny coming for a yahoo from jesusland

 

[martybegan]

Very well done. New York is overstepping its bounds by telling people what to do with their firearms. I advocate reasonable reform, not this nonsense. Keep giving them whats for.

So much for conservative advocacy of ‘states’ rights…’

Which is fine, given the fact the rights of the minority aren’t determined by majority rule, and the 14th Amendment applies the Federal Constitution to the states, including the Second Amendment.

The problem, as usual, is conservative inconsistency: if New York is “overstepping its bounds by telling people what to do with their firearms,” then the states are also overstepping their bounds by telling a woman whether she may have an abortion or not, or telling same-sex couples they may not marry.

Conservatives can’t have it both ways just because they approve of guns but disapprove of privacy and equal protection rights.

But there’s no ‘right to privacy’ in the Constitution, it’s a made up right.

There’s no right to self-defense in the Constitution either, nor an individual right to own a handgun, are those ‘made up’ rights as well?

Conservatives need to understand that the Constitution is not a cafeteria plan, they can’t pick the rights they like and reject the rights they don’t like. If New York gun laws are in violation of the Constitution, then so too is North Dakota’s anti-abortion measure and California’s Proposition 8.

Nope. Arms are "not to be infringed." There is no mention of abortion in the constituion.

So in your case you decide you dont like guns, so anything in the 2nd amendment is "open to interpretation." But you do like abortion on demand, so anything made up by the courts in support of that is just fine in your book.

The two are not even remotely equal from a strict constructionist standpoint, but in the hazy crazy world of "living document" people, the constituion is open to any interpretation that suits them at the moment.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Everything NY State did was perfectly legal and constitutional. Stupid policy, yes. But legal.
The problem is the broad just before you who says she's a Democrat. As long as people keep voting Democrat (and in NY Republican is the same as Democrat) they will keep getting crappy laws like this.

NY has already knuckled under to the idea that gov't is unlimited and can institute anything it wants 'for your own good."

The fact is most new Yorkers are generally conservative in their ideology. However, they vote democrat because they enjoy the status quo.
The typical resident of New York rails against their high taxes and expresses venom toward their state government in Albany. Many of them complain about the state pension system and state welfare system as the cause of budget shortfalls. Yet, they continue to vote for the very people that keep these things in place.
New Yorkers tend to complain a lot, but will do nothing to correct that which irritates them.
In conclusion, most New Yorkers get what they ask for.

Funny coming for a yahoo from jesusland

Hey douche drinker...I used to LIVE THERE...
What the fuck is "Jesus Land"..
Ya know what, don't answer that. You just made my fucking cock sucking butt licker list.
Go fuck your pillow.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Very well done. New York is overstepping its bounds by telling people what to do with their firearms. I advocate reasonable reform, not this nonsense. Keep giving them whats for.

So much for conservative advocacy of ‘states’ rights…’

Which is fine, given the fact the rights of the minority aren’t determined by majority rule, and the 14th Amendment applies the Federal Constitution to the states, including the Second Amendment.

The problem, as usual, is conservative inconsistency: if New York is “overstepping its bounds by telling people what to do with their firearms,” then the states are also overstepping their bounds by telling a woman whether she may have an abortion or not, or telling same-sex couples they may not marry.

Conservatives can’t have it both ways just because they approve of guns but disapprove of privacy and equal protection rights.

But there’s no ‘right to privacy’ in the Constitution, it’s a made up right.

There’s no right to self-defense in the Constitution either, nor an individual right to own a handgun, are those ‘made up’ rights as well?

Conservatives need to understand that the Constitution is not a cafeteria plan, they can’t pick the rights they like and reject the rights they don’t like. If New York gun laws are in violation of the Constitution, then so too is North Dakota’s anti-abortion measure and California’s Proposition 8.

Cut the crap...
Libs use the argument that where federal law exists, federal law is supreme. Therefore no state may make any law which supersedes existing federal law.
The Second Amendment is in effect federal law.
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."....There is no ambiguity there.
New York in it's far left wing knee jerk reaction stomped all over the US Constitution. No, the state did not ban guns or ownership of them. It just made it very difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain their weapon of choice.