Man whose false claims about Saddam’s WMD's helped spur the U.S.-led invasion dead from heart attack

[Little-Acorn]

What about the thousands of Kurds that Saddam killed with poison gas and other chemical weapons? Were their opinions on whether he had Weapons of Mass Destruction, "false" too?

 

[Little-Acorn]

What about the thousands of Kurds that Saddam killed with poison gas and other chemical weapons? Were their opinions on whether he had Weapons of Mass Destruction, "false" too?

Wow, the liberals sure got quiet in a hurry when I asked that.

 

[BlindBoo]

For a little more detail on what they said.

Words of Mass Destruction

"And the administration, I believe, is now committed to a recognition that war must be the last option to address this threat, not the first, and that we must act in concert with allies around the globe to make the world's case against Saddam Hussein.

Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies.

In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days — to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out. "

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

 

[Weatherman2020]

Ahmed Chalabi, Iraqi exile who helped spur U.S. invasion, dies of heart attack

Mr. Chalabi’s political fortunes were closely linked to the war — and the years of bloodshed and unrest that followed — that many claim he helped spark as a trusted and well-paid adviser to American political and military decision makers.

He became synonymous with the spotty — and sometimes wrong — intelligence used to bolster assertions by President George W. Bush and others that the Iraqi leader possessed weapons of mass destruction.

But he was later dogged by allegations of corruption and lacked popular support. He also was accused of developing secret channels with Shiite power Iran, which swiftly exerted its influence in Iraq after the fall of Hussein’s Sunni-led power structure.

“Iraq is a mess.

Mr. Chalabi was among the key Iraqi Shiites promoting the so-called de-Baathification process, a policy that attempted to remove figures from Hussein’s Sunni-led Baath Party from Iraq’s new political system. Critics said it helped to drive division in the country, which spiralled into sectarian war.

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He played Bush like an old piano.

Which was better: Bill Clinton saying Iraq had WMDs when he left office or Hillary insisting Sadamn and al queda were working together?

 

[easyt65]

The Brits claimed one of their Spec Ops Teams stopped an Iraqi convoy heading to Syria in the days prior to the war officially beginning. Their report states that since the war had not officially started they could not detain / destroy the vehicles and contents. The report states the trucks contained WMD.

Several key Iraqi military generals / officers claimed in the days leading up to the war that WMD was moved to Syria.

During the war troops found unexploded mortar heads containing WMD. The serial numbers on these ammunitions matched the serial numbers of ammunition Hussein/Iraq had already reported as having been destroyed. At this point the Liberal cry changed from 'NO WMD' to 'Not ENOUGH WMD'.

During the war several US bomb / Explosive units were tasked to destroy found hidden bunkers containing vast amounts of ammunition, bunkers so packed they could not fully investigate what all was in them. They blew them up. Some of these personnel became ill and were diagnosed with conditions associated with exposure to bio/chem weapons.

Years later Assad uses bio/chem weapons on his own people...just like Saddam had done. Where did he get the weapons? Liberals immediately dismiss / refuse to talk about the stories of how Saddam reportedly had moved chemical weapons to Syria before the war....

Not one iota, shred, tiny possibility that this could have been the case...because the Liberals say so and because if this were found out to be true it would mean they were PARTLY wrong about bush and the Iraq war.

 

[BlindBoo]

What about the thousands of Kurds that Saddam killed with poison gas and other chemical weapons? Were their opinions on whether he had Weapons of Mass Destruction, "false" too?

Since Saddam was being supported by President Raygun and the Western Allies at the time, who knew full well that Iraq had used Chemical weapons on the Iranians as well, what did he do? What type of sanctions did he impose? Did he stop the loans to Iraq? Did he call for a halt to selling duel use equipment to Iraq by us and our allies.

 

[whitehall]

Hillary's husband died?

 

[easyt65]

"And the administration, I believe, is now committed to a recognition that war must be the last option to address this threat..."


This is the stupidity of politicians to begin with - War is ALWAYS supposed to be the LAST option. It's NOT, though, no matter who the President is based on their own agenda.

look at how Obama took America to war against Libya, for example. Libya / Qadaffi posed no immediate threat to the united States. There was plenty of time for him to go before Congress to come up with other options before going to war AND plenty of time to go before Congress to make his case of why we should go to war - like Bush did in regards to Iraq.

Obama did not do this, though. He did NOT make his case and get Congressional approval to go to war against Libya like Bush did with Iraq. Obama simply took the nation to war on his own, helping Al Qaeda - the perpetrators of 9/11/01 and 9/11/12 - in the end to take over their own country.

Politicians care about their own agendas, and the military members who they send to war are their tools to achieve a goal. going to war should ALWAYS be the VERY last option.

 

[rdean]

Ahmed Chalabi, Iraqi exile who helped spur U.S. invasion, dies of heart attack

Mr. Chalabi’s political fortunes were closely linked to the war — and the years of bloodshed and unrest that followed — that many claim he helped spark as a trusted and well-paid adviser to American political and military decision makers.

He became synonymous with the spotty — and sometimes wrong — intelligence used to bolster assertions by President George W. Bush and others that the Iraqi leader possessed weapons of mass destruction.

But he was later dogged by allegations of corruption and lacked popular support. He also was accused of developing secret channels with Shiite power Iran, which swiftly exerted its influence in Iraq after the fall of Hussein’s Sunni-led power structure.

“Iraq is a mess.

Mr. Chalabi was among the key Iraqi Shiites promoting the so-called de-Baathification process, a policy that attempted to remove figures from Hussein’s Sunni-led Baath Party from Iraq’s new political system. Critics said it helped to drive division in the country, which spiralled into sectarian war.

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He played Bush like an old piano.

Actually they did find WMD's just as Bush said. Do a search and you will find it.

Even Bush said there were no WMD's. You can watch him say it on Youtube. Funny, the right believes Bush when he lied, but refuse to believe him when he tells the truth.

 

[easyt65]

Since Saddam was being supported by President Raygun....

Oh STOP with the partisan B$ already! you think Reagan - or a Republican - was the only one who supported a dictator or 'bad guy'?!

Hussein
Castro
The Ayatollah
Noriega
...and the list goes on and on.

no one party has any right or ability to claim the 'moral high-ground' on this issue, so just STOP!

 

[rdean]

What about the thousands of Kurds that Saddam killed with poison gas and other chemical weapons? Were their opinions on whether he had Weapons of Mass Destruction, "false" too?

Actually, that happened during the Iran/Iraq 8 year war. Even our CIA has said they thought the gas actually came from Iran because of the type of gas used. And the number may have been exaggerated because of political reasons. It's interesting reading if you bother to go look it up.

Who really gassed the Kurds?

 

[easyt65]

Even Bush said there were no WMD's.

And bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore, etc swore up and down on the floor of Congress there was, declared how evil Hussein was, and how the US MUST take him out...before giving Bush the authority to go to war.

And like I pointed out, there ended up being WMDs. Iraq had, albeit a small number found, ammunition containing WMD that had been reported to the UN as having been destroyed. I am not saying there was more, but the fact that these existed after not supposed to exist anymore shows however small of a chance there could have been more.

Frankly it does not matter anymore. What is done is done. It is a waste of time to over a decade later still be bitching about it. Much like with the 2000 election, Liberals just can't move on...and refuse to see what their own 'people' are doing now.

 

[rdean]

For a little more detail on what they said.

Words of Mass Destruction

"And the administration, I believe, is now committed to a recognition that war must be the last option to address this threat, not the first, and that we must act in concert with allies around the globe to make the world's case against Saddam Hussein.

Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies.

In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days — to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out. "

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Quote all you want. But it was Bush who invaded. Not Bill Clinton. Clinton knew he didn't have enough hard evidence. Neither did Bush, but Bush didn't give a fuck.

 

[BlindBoo]

Since Saddam was being supported by President Raygun....

Oh STOP with the partisan B$ already! you think Reagan - or a Republican - was the only one who supported a dictator or 'bad guy'?!

Hussein
Castro
The Ayatollah
Noriega
...and the list goes on and on.

no one party has any right or ability to claim the 'moral high-ground' on this issue, so just STOP!

Then quit trying to use the chemical weapons attacks during the Iran war as justification for the invasion and occupation in 2003. We have no moral high ground because we supported Saddam during those attacks.

 

[easyt65]

Then quit trying to use the chemical weapons attacks during the Iran war as justification for the invasion and occupation in 2003. We have no moral high ground because we supported Saddam during those attacks.

1. I am not using WMD as justification for going to war. What I SAID was it is interesting, though not proven true, how Assad used chemical weapons in his people AFTER Hussein supposedly (by some) moved his WMD into Syria.

I AM NOT AND NEVER HAVE BEEN 'FOR' THE IRAQ WAR.

2. My other MAIN point was that Bush, UNLIKE OBAMA, made his case and actually got Congressional approval to take the country to war.

 

[BlindBoo]

Then quit trying to use the chemical weapons attacks during the Iran war as justification for the invasion and occupation in 2003. We have no moral high ground because we supported Saddam during those attacks.

1. I am not using WMD as justification for going to war. What I SAID was it is interesting, though not proven true, how Assad used chemical weapons in his people AFTER Hussein supposedly (by some) moved his WMD into Syria.

I AM NOT AND NEVER HAVE BEEN 'FOR' THE IRAQ WAR.

2. My other MAIN point was that Bush, UNLIKE OBAMA, made his case and actually got Congressional approval to take the country to war.

The post you snipped a small fragment of was in response to someone who did.

The Resolution to use Military force was conditional, with two criteria.

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

The US had already agree to the SCR 1441 which proscribe a final round of weapons inspections to determine if they still had a WMD program. By reneging on the commitment he made in our name President Bush did not fulfill the terms of the Resolution.

 

[bravoactual]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/world/middleeast/ahmad-chalabi-iraq-dead.html?_r=0.

The lying, lowlife, scum crawling, shit sucking bastard Ahmad Chalabi is dead.

He died of heart failure.

Who knew the bastard even had one.

It was Chalabi who pushed "Curveball" as a reliable source.

Chalabi also sold intelligence to Iran.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Old news.

Man whose false claims about Saddam’s WMD's helped spur the U.S.-led invasion dead from heart attack | Page 5 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Naturally, the liberal fanatics are screeching in rage over Chalabi and calling him names. He committed the unpardonable sin of telling the truth: Saddam Hussein had used WMDs on his own people and probably had more.

5,000 Kurds who died in Saddam's poison gas attacks in 1988 (more people than were killed in the terrorist attacks on the United States on Sept. 11, 2001) were unavailable for comment.

 

[bravoactual]

Old news.

Man whose false claims about Saddam’s WMD's helped spur the U.S.-led invasion dead from heart attack | Page 5 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Naturally, the liberal fanatics are screeching in rage over Chalabi and calling him names. He committed the unpardonable sin of telling the truth: Saddam Hussein had used WMDs on his own people and probably had more.

3,000 Kurds who died in Saddam's poison gas attacks in 1988 were unavailable for comment.

And who the fuck gave Saddam the technology needed to develop mustard gas in the first fucking place.

That was the One, The Only, The Alpha and The Omega, The Great, The Wonderful, The Great Taker of Naps and the Eater of Jelly Beans himself....The Great Rectum God himself...Ronnie RayGun.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Old news.

Man whose false claims about Saddam’s WMD's helped spur the U.S.-led invasion dead from heart attack | Page 5 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Naturally, the liberal fanatics are screeching in rage over Chalabi and calling him names. He committed the unpardonable sin of telling the truth: Saddam Hussein had used WMDs on his own people and probably had more.

3,000 Kurds who died in Saddam's poison gas attacks in 1988 were unavailable for comment.

And who the fuck gave Saddam the technology needed to develop mustard gas in the first fucking place.

That was the One, The Only, The Alpha and The Omega, The Great, The Wonderful, The Great Taker of Naps and the Eater of Jelly Beans himself....The Great Rectum God himself...Ronnie RayGun.

Notice how quickly the liberal fanatics change the subject when you point out the truth to them?

No longer screeching, cursing, and swearing at Chalabi, now they are calling Reagan names instead.

La Dummy E Mobile.