Mark Shields, PBS Commentator, Claims GOP, Not Democrats, Are Committing Voter Fraud

[RoshawnMarkwees]

There's a difference between helping someone win and helping someone to not lose.

 

[Obiwan]

Could non-citizens decide the November election - The Washington Post
Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.

How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Estimated Voter Turnout by Non-Citizens
2008 2010
Self reported and/or verified 38 (11.3%) 13 (3.5%)
Self reported and verified 5 (1.5%) N.A.
Adjusted estimate 21 (6.4%) 8 (2.2%)
Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.

 

[Auld Phart]

Democrats use the blood of aborted babies to make face cream.

Obviously

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[mudwhistle]

Democrats are using blacks as a strawman argument to keep Republicans from making sure that they can't sneak in millions of illegal "undocumented American" votes under the radar:

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

You forgot about millions of illegals committing a felony by voting, like Obama wanted to do..... Fortunately, the federal courts apparently don't agree with the plan.

Ohio s Huge Voter Fraud Investigation Turns Up Nearly Nothing

Forty-four non-citizens may have voted illegally in Ohio at some point since 2000.

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted has been on a mission to weed out purported voter fraud in the state since he took office in 2011. After launching an investigation into what he called an “expanding loophole” allowing non-citizens to vote in Ohio and potentially decide elections, he announced Thursday that 145 non-citizens were registered to vote illegally in 2014, amounting to just .0002 percent of the 7.7 million registered voters in the state.

Husted’s office would not provide any information about the 27 people it referred to the Attorney General’s office for further review. But in 2013, his office sent 17 potential cases — .0003 percent of total ballots cast in the state — to the AG who eventually referred them to county prosecutors. Most reports of voting irregularities were dropped by the county prosecutors because the “voter fraud” problems were determined to have been caused by simple mistakes and confused senior citizens, according to a Cleveland Plain Dealer investigation.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

There is simply no evidence ...as in zero zilch nada...not a shred of evidence that anyone much less Democrats have a massive illegal immigrant vote campaign going on...this claim is like claims of pigs flying ...its just not reality based is all...Its slack jawed Fkwittery

 

[Derideo_Te]

Keeping in line with Hillary's bullshit claims that the GOP is trying to keep people from voting in elections, Mark Shields on PBS, made a claim that it's the GOP who is committing fraud, not Democrats. He based it on the false assumption the GOP wants to keep some people from voting because of their insistence on I.D. cards when voting:

The liberal commentator touted how Clinton was “right on the issue” and accused the GOP of committing “fraud” over the issue of voter fraud:

And one of the great frauds that Republicans have perpetrated over the past generation has been this idea of voter fraud, that people are showing up, 31 cases in 14 years, Judy, of people stealing identity or voting improperly. So, I think she’s absolutely right. It is our responsibility to make voting available to as many people as possible who want to vote.
Mark Shields Voter Fraud is a Great GOP Fraud
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What Mark and Hillary mean is it doesn't matter if they're citizens or convicted felons.....everyone who wants to vote should have the right to vote....early and just possibly as many times as possible.

Obama has his media stooges.....and so does Hillary.

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You forgot about millions of illegals committing a felony by voting, like Obama wanted to do..... Fortunately, the federal courts apparently don't agree with the plan.

Assumes facts NOT in evidence.

Actually the evidence is everywhere in their rhetoric.

But no actual fraudulent votes by "millions of illegals" anywhere to be found in reality.

Actually, people aren't looking for it for some strange reason. I think if the media wasn't supporting this the truth about it would become very public. Democrats already have openly called illegals "Undocumented Americans". As a matter of fact, they want to remove "Illegal Immigration" from the debate entirely....including the phrase.

So, are you really this gullible?

Your semantics can't obscure the fact there are NOT "millions of illegals" voting in elections.

That you can't prove your FauxNoise disinformation says volumes

 

[Derideo_Te]

Amnesty judge gets tough with defiant Obama

Hanen’s ordered the government to “explain” the details of a brief from government attorney Kyle Freeny that disclosed the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services had approved tens of thousands of three-year exemptions between Nov. 24, 2014, and Hanen’s injunction.

Hanen’s order, Feb. 16, did not block a 2012 plan that offers amnesty to those who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

But that program doesn’t provide for three-year exemptions. The exemptions are part of the administration’s November order.

The case was brought by Texas and 25 other states, and joined by Arizona’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has a similar case pending before a federal appeals court in Washington, D.C..

Upon discovering the ongoing grants of amnesty, the states filed a motion demanding to know who was providing the benefits.

WND reported Arpaio also asked for a hearing for the government to explain why it apparently is refusing to abide by Hanen’s order.

A notice and recommendation was filed by attorney Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch on behalf of Arpaio.

“Several reports indicate that the executive branch under the Obama administration has not complied with this court’s temporary injunction, but continues full-speed to implement a grant of amnesty and related benefits to approximately 5 million citizens of foreign countries who are illegally in the United States under the defendants’ November 20, 2014, executive action programs implemented by several memoranda issued by Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson,” the filing explains.

The brief is accompanied by a motion seeking “further leave” of the court to file the request.

It explains: “If the defendants have in fact halted implementation of the programs in compliance with the court’s temporary injunction, the opportunity to assure the court and other observers of this may be afforded by the court asking for a response on whether the reports of continued implementation are accurate and whether the injunction is being complied with.”


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So now the OP is derailing his own thread since he cannot substantiate that "millions of illegals" are committing voting fraud.

Nope. No derailing exists. Illegals were mentioned in the op.

We can establish that Democrats are making it possible and are currently trying to make what they've been doing illegally for years...legal.

So the fraud is what the Democrats are doing, not the Republicans.

Your OP is about alleged voter fraud by "millions of illegals" that is clearly not happening.

Your deflection towards your GOP obstruction of how the Executive branch is prioritizing the issue of illegal aliens is a derailing of your own OP premise.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

when wing nut Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted went into a safari to dig out illegal voters he found that Forty-four non-citizens (44) may have voted illegally in Ohio at some point since 2000...forty four in over 12 years worth of elections .0002 percent of the 7.7 million registered voters in the state.
Husted's office sent 17 potential cases — .0003 percent of total ballots cast in the state — to the AG who eventually referred them to county prosecutors. Most reports of voting irregularities were dropped by the county prosecutors because the “voter fraud” problems were determined to have been caused by simple mistakes and confused senior citizens

 

[mudwhistle]

You forgot about millions of illegals committing a felony by voting, like Obama wanted to do..... Fortunately, the federal courts apparently don't agree with the plan.

Assumes facts NOT in evidence.

Actually the evidence is everywhere in their rhetoric.

But no actual fraudulent votes by "millions of illegals" anywhere to be found in reality.

Actually, people aren't looking for it for some strange reason. I think if the media wasn't supporting this the truth about it would become very public. Democrats already have openly called illegals "Undocumented Americans". As a matter of fact, they want to remove "Illegal Immigration" from the debate entirely....including the phrase.

So, are you really this gullible?

Your semantics can't obscure the fact there are NOT "millions of illegals" voting in elections.

That you can't prove your FauxNoise disinformation says volumes

There will be millions if Democrats get their way. Right now, it's only thousands. Obama has made provisions for as many as 30 million new immigrants to enter the country in the next 10 years.

 

[mudwhistle]

Amnesty judge gets tough with defiant Obama

Hanen’s ordered the government to “explain” the details of a brief from government attorney Kyle Freeny that disclosed the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services had approved tens of thousands of three-year exemptions between Nov. 24, 2014, and Hanen’s injunction.

Hanen’s order, Feb. 16, did not block a 2012 plan that offers amnesty to those who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

But that program doesn’t provide for three-year exemptions. The exemptions are part of the administration’s November order.

The case was brought by Texas and 25 other states, and joined by Arizona’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has a similar case pending before a federal appeals court in Washington, D.C..

Upon discovering the ongoing grants of amnesty, the states filed a motion demanding to know who was providing the benefits.

WND reported Arpaio also asked for a hearing for the government to explain why it apparently is refusing to abide by Hanen’s order.

A notice and recommendation was filed by attorney Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch on behalf of Arpaio.

“Several reports indicate that the executive branch under the Obama administration has not complied with this court’s temporary injunction, but continues full-speed to implement a grant of amnesty and related benefits to approximately 5 million citizens of foreign countries who are illegally in the United States under the defendants’ November 20, 2014, executive action programs implemented by several memoranda issued by Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson,” the filing explains.

The brief is accompanied by a motion seeking “further leave” of the court to file the request.

It explains: “If the defendants have in fact halted implementation of the programs in compliance with the court’s temporary injunction, the opportunity to assure the court and other observers of this may be afforded by the court asking for a response on whether the reports of continued implementation are accurate and whether the injunction is being complied with.”


Read more at Amnesty judge gets tough with defiant Obama​

So now the OP is derailing his own thread since he cannot substantiate that "millions of illegals" are committing voting fraud.

Nope. No derailing exists. Illegals were mentioned in the op.

We can establish that Democrats are making it possible and are currently trying to make what they've been doing illegally for years...legal.

So the fraud is what the Democrats are doing, not the Republicans.

Your OP is about alleged voter fraud by "millions of illegals" that is clearly not happening.

Your deflection towards your GOP obstruction of how the Executive branch is prioritizing the issue of illegal aliens is a derailing of your own OP premise.

Right now Obama has thousands of legal immigrants that are not citizens voting in battleground states. Soon, he will have millions of new legal immigrants voting once he can gain permanent amnesty for them. Give them a driver's license and a Social Security card and they can register to vote.

 

[mudwhistle]

Should States Allow Non-Citizens to Vote - Page 9

Published October 24, 2010 | Associated Press



PORTLAND, Maine -- Like his neighbors,
Claude Rwaganje pays taxes on his income and taxes on his cars. His
children have gone to Portland's public schools. He's interested in the
workings of Maine's largest city, which he has called home for 13 years.



There's one vital difference, though:
Rwaganje isn't a U.S. citizen and isn't allowed to vote on those taxes
or on school issues. That may soon change.



Portland residents will vote Nov. 2 on a
proposal to give legal residents who are not U.S. citizens the right to
vote in local elections, joining places like San Francisco and Chicago
that have already loosened the rules or are considering it.



Noncitizens hold down jobs, pay taxes, own
businesses, volunteer in the community and serve in the military, and
it's only fair they be allowed to vote, Rwaganje said.



"We have immigrants who are playing key
roles in different issues of this country, but they don't get the right
to vote," said Rwaganje, 40, who moved to the U.S. because of political
strife in his native Congo and runs a nonprofit that offers financial
advice to immigrants.



Opponents of the measure say immigrants
already have an avenue to cast ballots -- by becoming citizens. Allowing
non-citizens to vote dilutes the meaning of citizenship, they say,
adding that it could lead to fraud and unfairly sway elections.



"My primary objection is I don't think it is
right, I don't think it is just, I don't think it is fair," Portland
resident Barbara Campbell Harvey said.



In San Francisco, a ballot question Nov. 2
will ask voters whether they want to allow non-citizens to vote in school
board elections if they are the parents, legal guardians or caregivers
of children in the school system.



Non-citizens are allowed to vote in school
board elections in Chicago and in municipal elections in half a dozen
towns in Maryland, said Ron Hayduk, a professor at the City University
of New York and author of "Democracy for All: Restoring Immigrant Voting
Rights in the United States."

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[mudwhistle]

Should non-citizens in the U.S. vote - LA Times



As of Jan. 1, 2012, an estimated 13.3 million lawful permanent residents lived in the United States, and 8.8 million of them were eligible to apply for U.S. citizenship but had not done so. In California, 2.48 million out of 3.4 million green-card holders were eligible to apply but chose not to. And, of course, not all non-citizens residing in this country are “lawful.” An estimated 11 million people live here without permission, though President Obama recently took action to defer the deportation of as many as half of them.


EDITORIAL SERIES: Exploring the meaning of citizenship in the 21st Century
America obviously would benefit if more non-citizens living here — including, eventually, undocumented immigrants — took on the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship. But what if they don't? Non-citizens are still members of their communities. They pay taxes and in many cases send their children to public schools. Should they be given some greater say in the decisions of the local governments, school boards and judicial systems that make decisions for themselves and their children?

Many Americans consider it unthinkable that non-citizens — even lawful permanent residents — would be allowed to vote in elections. Gov. Jerry Brown agrees with them. Last year, in vetoing a bill that would have allowed non-citizen permanent residents to serve on juries, Brown said, “Jury service, like voting, is quintessentially a prerogative and responsibility of citizenship.”

Brown was accurately describing current practice. At present, it's a crime, punishable by a year in prison, for a non-citizen to vote in a federal election. U.S. citizenship is also a near-universal requirement for voting in state and local elections.

But it wasn't always thus. Far from considering voting “quintessentially” an attribute of citizenship, as many as 40 states and U.S. territories once allowed non-citizens to vote in state and sometimes in federal elections. Non-citizen white men in some places enjoyed the franchise even as it was denied to women and African Americans. Ron Hayduk, a political science professor at Queens College and advocate for non-citizen voting, has called it “as American as apple pie.”

Allowing non-citizens to vote was not motivated by 21st century notions of globalism or diversity. Rather, according to a study by Jamin B. Raskin, “the practice was seen as conducive to a desired immigration (and assimilation) of foreigners and consistent with basic principles of democratic government.” Some states extended the franchise only to non-citizens who declared an intention to seek citizenship.

America obviously would benefit if more non-citizens living here ... took on the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship. But what if they don't?-
So-called alien suffrage began to be restricted at the turn of the 20th century, partly in response to nativist fear that immigrants from eastern and southern Europe (many of them Roman Catholic) couldn't be “real Americans.” In 1926 Arkansas became the last state to abandon alien suffrage.

But in recent years there have been efforts to extend the franchise to non-citizens, at least in local elections. Six towns in Maryland now allow non-citizens — including undocumented immigrants — to vote in municipal elections. The city of Takoma Park, Md., allowed non-citizens to vote after a 1990 city census found significant numbers of residents who weren't citizens. Such proposals aren't always successful: In 2010, San Francisco voters turned down a proposal to let non-citizen parents of children in public schools vote in school board elections.​

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Right now Obama has thousands of legal immigrants that are not citizens voting in battleground states.

and not only that he has troops about to invade Texas itself...be afraid be very afraid...

 

[Synthaholic]

So the fraud is what the Democrats are doing, not the Republicans.

What's the reasoning behind cutting early voting?

 

[mudwhistle]

So the fraud is what the Democrats are doing, not the Republicans.

What's the reasoning behind cutting early voting?

To keep the multiple voting down and ballot box stuffing to a minimum. If we didn't have early voting I don't think Democrats would win many elections.
Democrats are constantly registering "new" voters through same-day registration. Many of them cannot be verified in time before the election.

The Left s National Vote Fraud Strategy Exposed

This strategy has been under development for decades. They have constructed an entire industry devoted to this task and pursue a multifaceted strategy to accomplish it:

1. Swamp election officials with overwhelming numbers of registrations at the last possible minute, a huge proportion of which are deliberately fraudulent, in order to create systematic chaos. This accomplishes numerous goals:

• Makes verification of registrations difficult, given the small size and limited budgets of state and local election offices.
• Provides multiple opportunities for vote fraud.
• Throws the entire voting process into question, providing pretext for lawsuits where concessions may be obtained from election officials.
• When election officials challenge registrations, they are accused of “voter suppression.” This in turn serves complementary goals:
  • Charge of “voter suppression” reinforces the Left’s narrative about America as an oppressive, “racist” country.
  • Publicity and lawsuits intimidate election officials, who settle on terms favorable to the Left.

2. Activists sue state authorities for “voter suppression,” creating further chaos and pressuring them to become de facto taxpayer-funded voter registration operations;

3. Eric Holder’s Justice Department tacitly supports voter intimidation tactics, sues states and backs private lawsuits, and resists reform as “voter suppression.”

4. Leftist echo chamber discredits allegations of vote fraud, supports “suppression” theme, and promotes advantageous legislation.

The ultimate goal is a systematized, taxpayer-funded voting machinery that will guarantee maximum participation from the Left’s voting demographic while undermining the ability to manage elections and prevent fraud.



The ACORN Swamping Method

Key to understanding the Left’s vote-fraud strategy is the community organizing group ACORN. ACORN has become synonymous with corruption, complicity in the subprime mortgage crisis and especially vote fraud.

ACORN and its voter registration arm, Project Vote, hire marginal and unskilled workers at very low rates and use incentive bonuses or quotas to encourage them to collect as many voter registrations as possible. The resulting flood of registrations are fraught with duplicates, errors and omissions, and a large number are overtly fraudulent, including names like “Donald Duck,” “Mickey Mouse,” “Tony Romo” of the Dallas Cowboys, etc.[2] According to MatthewVadum, the senior editor at Capital Research Center, a total of 400,000 bogus ACORN registrations were thrown out in 2008 alone.

ACORN was supposedly disbanded in 2010 but resurrected itself under a slew of new names. Former ACORN President Bertha Lewis bragged that they created “…18 bulletproof community-organizing Frankensteins…” These are reproduced in the table below. Most of these groups occupy former ACORN offices, many with the same staff.

ACORN is directly connected to Obama and the Democratic Party. Counsel to The Advance Group, a strategic planning company, is Michael Gaspard, Patrick Gaspard’s brother. Patrick is currently the DNC’s executive director and President Obama’s former political director. He has worked for ACORN, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the Working Families Party, a descendant of the ACORN-founded New Party which Barack Obama joined in 1996. Obama has bragged of “fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career.”​

 

[Synthaholic]

To keep the multiple voting down and ballot box stuffing to a minimum.

There is no multiple voting. 10 cases since 2000, with hundreds of millions of votes cast, is negligible.

In-person voter fraud a very rare phenomenon PolitiFact Georgia

So you're wrong again.

 

[mudwhistle]

To keep the multiple voting down and ballot box stuffing to a minimum.

There is no multiple voting. 10 cases since 2000, with hundreds of millions of votes cast, is negligible.

In-person voter fraud a very rare phenomenon PolitiFact Georgia

So you're wrong again.

And you are extremely naive or dishonest.....one of the two.

 

[Synthaholic]

To keep the multiple voting down and ballot box stuffing to a minimum.

There is no multiple voting. 10 cases since 2000, with hundreds of millions of votes cast, is negligible.

In-person voter fraud a very rare phenomenon PolitiFact Georgia

So you're wrong again.

And you are extremely naive or dishonest.....one of the two.

OK - find a study that has found more than 10 documented cases of in-person voting fraud since 2000.

Should be easy for you.