Marriage Equality equals Child Abuse

[Derideo_Te]

Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian

So?

Post the study, not the Abstract, an Abstract is nothing more than Hersey, inadmissible. The Abstract is gossip.

Take this idea presented in the abstract,

children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma

What is the basis for this, "Opinion", there is no facts nor data included in the abstract, abstracts are statements of opinion, without access to the study. Only by reading a study can we determine if the abstract is fact or conjecture. .

"Social stigma", is the most important phrase in the abstract.It is a problem caused by bigoted religious heterosexual parents, it is us Heterosexuals who have created the problem, not the homosexuals.

It is the Heterosexual children who must be re-programmed through "education", to counter the bigotry of the parents which caused the Social Stigma.

It is already happening in California, new laws, lawyers, and lawsuits, millions of books to be burned and replaced, profits to be made.

The hyperlink for the full text of the study is right there next to the abstract.

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Furthermore it is a violation of USMB policy to post the entire study.

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If you wish to dispute any part of the study you are going to have to download it for yourself and copy in the aspect that you are attempting to refute.

Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian

So?

Post the study, not the Abstract, an Abstract is nothing more than Hersey, inadmissible. The Abstract is gossip.

Take this idea presented in the abstract,

children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma

What is the basis for this, "Opinion", there is no facts nor data included in the abstract, abstracts are statements of opinion, without access to the study. Only by reading a study can we determine if the abstract is fact or conjecture. .

"Social stigma", is the most important phrase in the abstract.It is a problem caused by bigoted religious heterosexual parents, it is us Heterosexuals who have created the problem, not the homosexuals.

It is the Heterosexual children who must be re-programmed through "education", to counter the bigotry of the parents which caused the Social Stigma.

It is already happening in California, new laws, lawyers, and lawsuits, millions of books to be burned and replaced, profits to be made.

The hyperlink for the full text of the study is right there next to the abstract.

View attachment 32829

Furthermore it is a violation of USMB policy to post the entire study.

View attachment 32830

If you wish to dispute any part of the study you are going to have to download it for yourself and copy in the aspect that you are attempting to refute.

If you wish to use a study, you need to quote from the study.
You think the USMB rules are preventing you from quoting a study?
Derideo, you are an imbecile.

Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian

So?

Post the study, not the Abstract, an Abstract is nothing more than Hersey, inadmissible. The Abstract is gossip.

Take this idea presented in the abstract,

children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma

What is the basis for this, "Opinion", there is no facts nor data included in the abstract, abstracts are statements of opinion, without access to the study. Only by reading a study can we determine if the abstract is fact or conjecture. .

"Social stigma", is the most important phrase in the abstract.It is a problem caused by bigoted religious heterosexual parents, it is us Heterosexuals who have created the problem, not the homosexuals.

It is the Heterosexual children who must be re-programmed through "education", to counter the bigotry of the parents which caused the Social Stigma.

It is already happening in California, new laws, lawyers, and lawsuits, millions of books to be burned and replaced, profits to be made.

The hyperlink for the full text of the study is right there next to the abstract.

View attachment 32829

Furthermore it is a violation of USMB policy to post the entire study.

View attachment 32830

If you wish to dispute any part of the study you are going to have to download it for yourself and copy in the aspect that you are attempting to refute.

Derideo, post anything you think is relevant from whatever study you think disputes the OP.

go ahead, until then you have done nothing and said nothing.

Onus is on you to dispute the validity of this statement.

Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma.

The onus is not on me to dispute studies you have not linked norvquoted

Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian

So?

Post the study, not the Abstract, an Abstract is nothing more than Hersey, inadmissible. The Abstract is gossip.

Take this idea presented in the abstract,

children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma

What is the basis for this, "Opinion", there is no facts nor data included in the abstract, abstracts are statements of opinion, without access to the study. Only by reading a study can we determine if the abstract is fact or conjecture. .

"Social stigma", is the most important phrase in the abstract.It is a problem caused by bigoted religious heterosexual parents, it is us Heterosexuals who have created the problem, not the homosexuals.

It is the Heterosexual children who must be re-programmed through "education", to counter the bigotry of the parents which caused the Social Stigma.

It is already happening in California, new laws, lawyers, and lawsuits, millions of books to be burned and replaced, profits to be made.

The hyperlink for the full text of the study is right there next to the abstract.

View attachment 32829

Furthermore it is a violation of USMB policy to post the entire study.

View attachment 32830

If you wish to dispute any part of the study you are going to have to download it for yourself and copy in the aspect that you are attempting to refute.

Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian

So?

Post the study, not the Abstract, an Abstract is nothing more than Hersey, inadmissible. The Abstract is gossip.

Take this idea presented in the abstract,

children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma

What is the basis for this, "Opinion", there is no facts nor data included in the abstract, abstracts are statements of opinion, without access to the study. Only by reading a study can we determine if the abstract is fact or conjecture. .

"Social stigma", is the most important phrase in the abstract.It is a problem caused by bigoted religious heterosexual parents, it is us Heterosexuals who have created the problem, not the homosexuals.

It is the Heterosexual children who must be re-programmed through "education", to counter the bigotry of the parents which caused the Social Stigma.

It is already happening in California, new laws, lawyers, and lawsuits, millions of books to be burned and replaced, profits to be made.

The hyperlink for the full text of the study is right there next to the abstract.

View attachment 32829

Furthermore it is a violation of USMB policy to post the entire study.

View attachment 32830

If you wish to dispute any part of the study you are going to have to download it for yourself and copy in the aspect that you are attempting to refute.

If you wish to use a study, you need to quote from the study.
You think the USMB rules are preventing you from quoting a study?
Derideo, you are an imbecile.

Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian

So?

Post the study, not the Abstract, an Abstract is nothing more than Hersey, inadmissible. The Abstract is gossip.

Take this idea presented in the abstract,

children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma

What is the basis for this, "Opinion", there is no facts nor data included in the abstract, abstracts are statements of opinion, without access to the study. Only by reading a study can we determine if the abstract is fact or conjecture. .

"Social stigma", is the most important phrase in the abstract.It is a problem caused by bigoted religious heterosexual parents, it is us Heterosexuals who have created the problem, not the homosexuals.

It is the Heterosexual children who must be re-programmed through "education", to counter the bigotry of the parents which caused the Social Stigma.

It is already happening in California, new laws, lawyers, and lawsuits, millions of books to be burned and replaced, profits to be made.

The hyperlink for the full text of the study is right there next to the abstract.

View attachment 32829

Furthermore it is a violation of USMB policy to post the entire study.

View attachment 32830

If you wish to dispute any part of the study you are going to have to download it for yourself and copy in the aspect that you are attempting to refute.

Derideo, post anything you think is relevant from whatever study you think disputes the OP.

go ahead, until then you have done nothing and said nothing.

Onus is on you to dispute the validity of this statement.

Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma.

Give links to the studies, quote from the studies. So you say there are studies, so what, produce them. Show the evidence not the hearsay.

You were provided with both the links and the quotes.

Denying that they have been posted when you actually copied them in your latest post just makes you a dull witted liar.

The onus is on you to prove your baseless BS allegations that have been refuted by the links and quotes already provided.

You have zero credibility on this topic because you cannot prove your position.

 

[Skylar]

You were provided with both the links and the quotes.

Links, quotes and a damn screenshot of the page where the abtract is located and the full PDF can be downloaded. You've done your work and more than backed your argument factually.

While Elektra has yet to back her claims with anything more than her ability to type them.

Why do others have to factually establish their rebuttals to claims you've never factrually established yourself, Elektra? Surely your standards apply to you too.

 

[NoNukes]

Being queer is a mental disorder, so therefore they shouldn't be raising kids. Period, this is an social experiment. Just like with the military, which under Obama will now fight global warming and Ebola. Liberals should lose all power they have. Just look how well they have done with our schools.

More hatred from the right. How unusual.
If conservatives could do better with schools, why do they not get involved in education, instead of just complaining?

 

[jknowgood]

Being queer is a mental disorder, so therefore they shouldn't be raising kids. Period, this is an social experiment. Just like with the military, which under Obama will now fight global warming and Ebola. Liberals should lose all power they have. Just look how well they have done with our schools.

More hatred from the right. How unusual.
If conservatives could do better with schools, why do they not get involved in education, instead of just complaining?

School vouchers? That would put competition with the school system. It would improve over night.

 

[elektra]

• From the American Academy of Pediatrics

Technical Report
Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian

1. Ellen C. Perrin, MD, MA,
2. Benjamin S. Siegel, MD,
3. the COMMITTEE ON PSYCHOSOCIAL ASPECTS OF CHILD AND FAMILY HEALTH

ABSTRACT
Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents. Lack of opportunity for same-gender couples to marry adds to families’ stress, which affects the health and welfare of all household members. Because marriage strengthens families and, in so doing, benefits children’s development, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for their parents to be married. Paths to parenthood that include assisted reproductive techniques, adoption, and foster parenting should focus on competency of the parents rather than their sexual orientation.

And this is how the game is played, an idiot posts an "Abstract", nice name, in this case its an abstract from an article written by the Homosexual Activists, its not from doctors or science, its from Activists. What is this Abstract, just tells you that its best for homosexuals to be married cause that helps the heterosexual kids they screwed up by adopting them into a homosexual lifestyle, which is exactly what a homosexual relationship is.

The Abstract is conjecture at best, how do we know, because it does not lead to Science, it leads to an article, nothing more. It does not lead to data, it does not lead to a study, it does not lead science, it just links to the AAP's website, to a long article, stating that it is their idea, that heterosexual children adopted by homosexuals will not be teased at school if the two homosexual male male "parents" are married.

Like two men who have screwed up the life of some poor boy who only learned of homosexuality because he got adopted into a homosexual lifestyle.

You are one sick puppy to try and pass of a cheap article of the APP as a "scientific" study.

The only person calling this article Science or a Study is Derido_te. No where in what you quote does it state, "study", or "science". No where on the AAP site do they call this article a, "study" or "science". The link on the page that you link to and highlighted does not link to a page that calls itself, "science" or a "study.

So again, for all to see, over and over again, the homosexual supporters only have lies and deceit, they do not have studies, call them on it every time, follow the links, they never ever link to a study.

They at best link to articles that are from one website or link back to one website, the activists site of the AAP.

I ignored your posts, for the most part, but today I followed your link, right to an article, thanks for further proof that validates my OP.

 

[Skylar]

And this is how the game is played, an idiot posts an "Abstract", nice name, in this case its an abstract from an article written by the Homosexual Activists, its not from doctors or science, its from Activists. What is this Abstract, just tells you that its best for homosexuals to be married cause that helps the heterosexual kids they screwed up by adopting them into a homosexual lifestyle, which is exactly what a homosexual relationship is.

Did you notice the word MD next to the name of both the authors? That means 'Doctor of Medicine'. Which is an explicit contradiction of your claim that its not doctors who put the report together.

With the report an explicit contradiction of your claims.

Now, since you've presented exactly jack shit to back anything you've said why would I ignore Dr. Perrin and Dr. Seagal on the impact of having gay parents on children...and instead believe you citing yourself?

 

[Derideo_Te]

• From the American Academy of Pediatrics

Technical Report
Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian

1. Ellen C. Perrin, MD, MA,
2. Benjamin S. Siegel, MD,
3. the COMMITTEE ON PSYCHOSOCIAL ASPECTS OF CHILD AND FAMILY HEALTH

ABSTRACT
Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents. Lack of opportunity for same-gender couples to marry adds to families’ stress, which affects the health and welfare of all household members. Because marriage strengthens families and, in so doing, benefits children’s development, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for their parents to be married. Paths to parenthood that include assisted reproductive techniques, adoption, and foster parenting should focus on competency of the parents rather than their sexual orientation.

And this is how the game is played, an idiot posts an "Abstract", nice name, in this case its an abstract from an article written by the Homosexual Activists, its not from doctors or science, its from Activists. What is this Abstract, just tells you that its best for homosexuals to be married cause that helps the heterosexual kids they screwed up by adopting them into a homosexual lifestyle, which is exactly what a homosexual relationship is.

The Abstract is conjecture at best, how do we know, because it does not lead to Science, it leads to an article, nothing more. It does not lead to data, it does not lead to a study, it does not lead science, it just links to the AAP's website, to a long article, stating that it is their idea, that heterosexual children adopted by homosexuals will not be teased at school if the two homosexual male male "parents" are married.

Like two men who have screwed up the life of some poor boy who only learned of homosexuality because he got adopted into a homosexual lifestyle.

You are one sick puppy to try and pass of a cheap article of the APP as a "scientific" study.

The only person calling this article Science or a Study is Derido_te. No where in what you quote does it state, "study", or "science". No where on the AAP site do they call this article a, "study" or "science". The link on the page that you link to and highlighted does not link to a page that calls itself, "science" or a "study.

So again, for all to see, over and over again, the homosexual supporters only have lies and deceit, they do not have studies, call them on it every time, follow the links, they never ever link to a study.

They at best link to articles that are from one website or link back to one website, the activists site of the AAP.

I ignored your posts, for the most part, but today I followed your link, right to an article, thanks for further proof that validates my OP.

Semantics, the last refuge of the defeated zealot!

If you want to nitpick this study is called a Technical Report. Since it was published in "Pediatrics" which is the "Official Journal" of the AAP that means it can also be termed an article.

However the study was conducted by two medical doctors and a committee formed specifically to study the "PSYCHOSOCIAL ASPECTS OF CHILD AND FAMILY HEALTH".

The Technical Report covered State and Federal Laws, Health (both physical and mental), Childhood Development and Marriage.The Conclusions were pretty much identical to what was summarized in the Abstract.Then there were 60 References in the Bibliography.

That is a Study. You can throw a hissyfit and pretend that it isn't but you can't refute a single word of it.

Furthermore you still haven't provided anything at all to substantiate your bogus allegation.

Homophobic activists like yourself have zero credibility because you have nothing of substance to support your BS.

 

[Skylar]

Furthermore you still haven't provided anything at all to substantiate your bogus allegation.

Yeah, but facts and evidence are only for other people. Never Elektra. She just assumes that everything she thinks must be true.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Elektra is a dummy. Heterosexual marriage abuses far more children than LGBT marriage.

 

[Skylar]

Elektra is a dummy. Heterosexual marriage abuses far more children than LGBT marriage.

True. But she's argued that the existence of such abuse invalidates gay marriage. So following that logic, wouldn't the existence of abuse among straights invalidate straight marriages?

If not, why not?

 

[bendog]

Now listen up, and listen up good. My wife is no walk in the park on a sunny spring day, but she's certainly not a child molester.

 

[Skylar]

Now listen up, and listen up good. My wife is no walk in the park on a sunny spring day, but she's certainly not a child molester.

.....that you know of.

(cue spooky music)

 

[Derideo_Te]

Now listen up, and listen up good. My wife is no walk in the park on a sunny spring day, but she's certainly not a child molester.

Is that why you call her "Mrs Dog", Ben?

 

[bendog]

Now listen up, and listen up good. My wife is no walk in the park on a sunny spring day, but she's certainly not a child molester.

Is that why you call her "Mrs Dog", Ben?

Absolutely. Let no one say I don't respect her ... and fear her.

 

[bodecea]

You were provided with both the links and the quotes.

Links, quotes and a damn screenshot of the page where the abtract is located and the full PDF can be downloaded. You've done your work and more than backed your argument factually.

While Elektra has yet to back her claims with anything more than her ability to type them.

Why do others have to factually establish their rebuttals to claims you've never factrually established yourself, Elektra? Surely your standards apply to you too.

Elektra and others of her ilk will go down in history like the Segregationists of old....denying to their last breath that their "Lost Cause" is indeed lost.

 

[bodecea]

Being queer is a mental disorder, so therefore they shouldn't be raising kids. Period, this is an social experiment. Just like with the military, which under Obama will now fight global warming and Ebola. Liberals should lose all power they have. Just look how well they have done with our schools.

More hatred from the right. How unusual.
If conservatives could do better with schools, why do they not get involved in education, instead of just complaining?

School vouchers? That would put competition with the school system. It would improve over night.

I am a firm believer in School Choice. Schools should have the clear right to choose what students they keep instead of having to accept any within their boundaries.

 

[bendog]

It's over. Threads like this are only worthy of parody. When the argument is down to even conservatives saying public opinion is changing rapidly and the courts should just let it run it's course, it's over. All the anti-gay folks have is bs like this. They may believe it, which gives some benefit of the doubt, but the fact that they may believe is why so many have changed their minds on the issue so quickly.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Elektra is a dummy. Heterosexual marriage abuses far more children than LGBT marriage.

True. But she's argued that the existence of such abuse invalidates gay marriage. So following that logic, wouldn't the existence of abuse among straights invalidate straight marriages?

If not, why not?

When this is pointed out to Elketra, and Sil, they ignore it.

 

[Syriusly]

Children are naturally born of a Mother and a Father. Which of course means that they have the Natural biological Right to be a part of the family that they are created from.e

So why do we allow Divorce?

Heterosexual parents regularly divorce, and Heterosexual parents regularly split their family so that their children are not 'part of the family that they are created from'.

Do you believe that all children therefore have the right to demand that their natural mother and father must live together with them as a family?

What about those who are half sisters and half brothers, from remarriages- what about them?

And what about the children abandoned by their heterosexual parents? Do they have the 'right' to live with their parents- even if their parents are in jail or refuse to care for them?

The problem children have in America today is not because Gays are allowed to legally marry. The problem children have in America today is that heterosexual parents are not doing their own job parenting.

And I say that as a happily married father.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Once again, too many heterosexual parents are not get giving it 100%.