Marriage Matters: Consequences of Redefining Marriage

[P@triot]

He's absolutely right. You aren't forced to accept anything. You may be forced to tolerate "the gheys" in your midst, but acceptance is purely voluntary.

Why don't you "tolerate" the fact that you choose to play the game outside of the rules but still expect the rules to work in your favor?

What game Puppy? Whose rules? I am legally married, but the DOMA "rules" says my legal marriage is treated differently than yours is. Sounds like homophobes think they make "rules". Racists thought they did too.

Sweetie, the only "phobe" here is you and your heterophobia. And the state you were married in has voted against gay marriage. Your "legal" marriage is NOT legal in my state, in 45 other states, or even your own state!!!! The federal government represents all 50 states heterophobe - and 90% of them do not accept gay marriage.

90% > 10%... you lose! Deal with it....

 

[P@triot]

Yes, it is what it means. While we are perfectly willing to take Civil Unions where they are granted, we won't stop fighting for full equality. We will not accept separate but equal. If you don't believe that gays should be able to get a civil marriage, then you shouldn't be able to get one either. Make so we all get Civil Unions and everyone will be happy.

Don't you just love Seawytch "logic" - I will not act like you do, but you will give me the same benefits that you do.

Wytchey - you want to slit somebody's throat but not be charged with murder because you think your "special". If you don't want to be charged with murder - don't slit someone's throat. And it you want to be "equal" - then marry a man just like most other women do. Equality comes from abiding from the same rules - not doing your own thing outside of the rules and then expecting the same results as those who played inside of the rules. You can cry all you want, but you're losing this battle big time because at the end of the day you want special treatment while screaming it's "equal" treatment.

Puppy, explain how granting my legal marriage the EXACT same Federal rights, benefits and privileges your legal marriage enjoys is "special".

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. You could have married a man and received everything you are crying for. But you chose to marry a woman of your own free will. Therefore, you do not enjoy the same rights us those of us who played by the rules. Deal with it.

 

[P@triot]

It’s this type of hate and ignorance the Framers of the 5th and 14th Amendments anticipated, and why we need the Constitution and its case law as much today as any point in our Nation’s history.

Then perhaps you should stop pissing all over the Constitution in favor of libtard (unconstitutional) "case law" and start supporting it (after you actually read it for once).

 

[P@triot]

Even if "recognized" it won't fix the guilt you feel as a result of your sin... whether you admit it or not...

Darlin' the only guilt I feel that's related to my sexual orientation is when she only has two or three orgasms in succession.

I'm a big believer in giving credit where credit is due. And while nobody finds SW's unhinged demand for special treatment more appalling than I do, you have to admit, that was funny...

 

[Seawytch]

In other words, you know I'm right and you have no response?

The federal government represents ALL states. And the overwhelming majority do NOT recognize gay marriage. It's an inconvenient fact which has you pissed off right now because it's the truth.

No Puppy...I'm pointing out, quite rightfully, that you seem to have no concept of what discrimination is. You seem to think that if enough people think gays are icky, that should trump the individual rights of gays and lesbians.

Apparently you've never heard the term "tyranny of the majority".

Do you have any idea what an idiot you sound like? I'm 100% against money being taken from me against my will and unconstitutionally being spent on socialism. Yet I don't hear you crying "tyranny of the majority" when it provides you with free the handouts that you cherish so much.

If you didn't understand the concept, you should have looked it up first because you just look like a moron when you compare taxes to civil rights. Did the majority vote to tax only idiot teabaggers? No. Analogy fail.

This country has countless checks & balances to prevent tyranny. One of the biggest to prevent "tyranny of the majority" is that we are not a democracy - we are a republic. And this republic has overwhelmingly decided that we will not accept gay marriage.

We are. representative republic Puppy, with a judicial branch that determines when our representative republic oversteps the bounds of the Constitution.

This is basic stuff, Puppy.

Now, you have you S.O. and your children and you all live together free from persecution or physical harm. But like almost all libtards, you don't care about freedom - you want your perks, benefits, free money, and handouts. You're an embarrassment to America and part of the cancer that is killing this country. Muslims in the Middle East are tortured and killed for being gay. You have the luxury of expressing it freely and all you can do is cry about how "oppressed" you are because you can't get free shit from the government for being gay.

No Puppy, I have a spouse to whom I am legally married in the state of California. As a result of the unconstitutional DOMA, my legal marriage is not treated equally under the law. I get taxed more as a result. So it's not just about not getting the same benefits and privileges you enjoy, I get financially penalized as a result.

 

[Seawytch]

Even if "recognized" it won't fix the guilt you feel as a result of your sin... whether you admit it or not...

Darlin' the only guilt I feel that's related to my sexual orientation is when she only has two or three orgasms in succession.

I'm a big believer in giving credit where credit is due. And while nobody finds SW's unhinged demand for special treatment more appalling than I do, you have to admit, that was funny...

Of course it was, I'm a funny gal. I've had many people say I should go into standup comedy but I just can't stay up that late.

You still haven't explained how treating my legal marriage exactly like yours is treated by the Federal Government is "special". Care to try now?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Don't you just love Seawytch "logic" - I will not act like you do, but you will give me the same benefits that you do.

Wytchey - you want to slit somebody's throat but not be charged with murder because you think your "special". If you don't want to be charged with murder - don't slit someone's throat. And it you want to be "equal" - then marry a man just like most other women do. Equality comes from abiding from the same rules - not doing your own thing outside of the rules and then expecting the same results as those who played inside of the rules. You can cry all you want, but you're losing this battle big time because at the end of the day you want special treatment while screaming it's "equal" treatment.

Puppy, explain how granting my legal marriage the EXACT same Federal rights, benefits and privileges your legal marriage enjoys is "special".

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. You could have married a man and received everything you are crying for. But you chose to marry a woman of your own free will. Therefore, you do not enjoy the same rights us those of us who played by the rules. Deal with it.

Alright, I'll bite.

Homosexuality is contradictory to the evolutionary process of a sexual species like Homo Sapiens. Scientifically, homosexuality is a epigenetic aberration brought on by a rare set of factors coming together in the womb during development. Take a look at research by a group called NimBIOS.

I believe homosexuality is no more than a choice.

 

[P@triot]

We are. representative republic Puppy, with a judicial branch that determines when our representative republic oversteps the bounds of the Constitution

As opposed to what - a dictatorial republic?!?

(Hint - a republic means representatives sweetie... )

 

[Seawytch]

Don't you just love Seawytch "logic" - I will not act like you do, but you will give me the same benefits that you do.

Wytchey - you want to slit somebody's throat but not be charged with murder because you think your "special". If you don't want to be charged with murder - don't slit someone's throat. And it you want to be "equal" - then marry a man just like most other women do. Equality comes from abiding from the same rules - not doing your own thing outside of the rules and then expecting the same results as those who played inside of the rules. You can cry all you want, but you're losing this battle big time because at the end of the day you want special treatment while screaming it's "equal" treatment.

Puppy, explain how granting my legal marriage the EXACT same Federal rights, benefits and privileges your legal marriage enjoys is "special".

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. You could have married a man and received everything you are crying for. But you chose to marry a woman of your own free will. Therefore, you do not enjoy the same rights us those of us who played by the rules. Deal with it.

No Pups, it isn't only between a man and a woman. In 12 states gays can legally be married. Why should the Federal Government be able to treat those marriages differently than it treats yours? On what legal grounds can you justify that?

 

[P@triot]

Puppy, explain how granting my legal marriage the EXACT same Federal rights, benefits and privileges your legal marriage enjoys is "special".

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. You could have married a man and received everything you are crying for. But you chose to marry a woman of your own free will. Therefore, you do not enjoy the same rights us those of us who played by the rules. Deal with it.

Alright, I'll bite.

Homosexuality is contradictory to the evolutionary process of a sexual species like Homo Sapiens. Scientifically, homosexuality is a epigenetic aberration brought on by a rare set of factors coming together in the womb during development. Take a look at research by a group called NimBIOS.

I believe homosexuality is no more than a choice.

I'm 100% certain it is not a choice. However, that doesn't mean they should receive special treatment. Marriage is between a man and a woman. End of story.

 

[P@triot]

Puppy, explain how granting my legal marriage the EXACT same Federal rights, benefits and privileges your legal marriage enjoys is "special".

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. You could have married a man and received everything you are crying for. But you chose to marry a woman of your own free will. Therefore, you do not enjoy the same rights us those of us who played by the rules. Deal with it.

No Pups, it isn't only between a man and a woman. In 12 states gays can legally be married. Why should the Federal Government be able to treat those marriages differently than it treats yours? On what legal grounds can you justify that?

On the grounds that 38 states do NOT accept gay marriage (if your 12 states is accurate).

 

[Seawytch]

Puppy, explain how granting my legal marriage the EXACT same Federal rights, benefits and privileges your legal marriage enjoys is "special".

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. You could have married a man and received everything you are crying for. But you chose to marry a woman of your own free will. Therefore, you do not enjoy the same rights us those of us who played by the rules. Deal with it.

Alright, I'll bite.

Homosexuality is contradictory to the evolutionary process of a sexual species like Homo Sapiens. Scientifically, homosexuality is a epigenetic aberration brought on by a rare set of factors coming together in the womb during development. Take a look at research by a group called NimBIOS.

I believe homosexuality is no more than a choice.

Do you "believe" in eye witness accounts? First hand experiences? Because I can assure you, there was no choice in who I was attracted to.

Same sex behaviors and even life-long same sex pairings have been observed in hundreds of animal species, humans chief among them. (And in humans, since the beginning of recorded history.

Animal species have been observed changing their gender to adapt to changes in their Eco-systems. It is not a stretch, by any means, to see the necessary evolutionary role of a percentage of a population not meant to procreate.

There is also the possibility that human sexuality is considerably more fluid than our Puritanical roots allow it to be.

Not that any of this is relevant since legal, adult personal choices should have no bearing on whether you get access to equal rights.

 

[Seawytch]

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. You could have married a man and received everything you are crying for. But you chose to marry a woman of your own free will. Therefore, you do not enjoy the same rights us those of us who played by the rules. Deal with it.

No Pups, it isn't only between a man and a woman. In 12 states gays can legally be married. Why should the Federal Government be able to treat those marriages differently than it treats yours? On what legal grounds can you justify that?

On the grounds that 38 states do NOT accept gay marriage (if your 12 states is accurate).

If you bold within all bolded text, that which you wanted to emphasize is obscured. (I'm a helper)

30 states have constitutional amendments prohibiting marriage equality (many even prohibiting civil unions)


9 states allow civil unions and 12, full, legal marriage.

Granting those marriages the same legal status under Federal Law is not going to change the laws in your state. If you state turns down Medicare expansion, my state does not have to as well.

The Federal Government should be treating all of these legal marriages equally, regardless of how another state feels.

 

[Unkotare]

If you want us to have civil unions, you have to be ready to take them too.

No, that's not what it means at all.

Yes, it is what it means. ...

Not at all. If a means is available to you to get access to all the 'rights' of a married couple, then you have no further argument legally over a point of terminology. This attitude of yours not only encourages - if not justifies - the angry posters who accuse you of wanting to use the barrel of the government's gun to force an internal embrace of your particular orientation (some would say you insist on it's 'celebration' beyond even mere acceptance), but your own goal would be more quickly and completely achieved if you did not take such a militant stance. But if you just enjoy fighting and want the fight to be as long and contentious as possible, well, have fun. Just don't complain too much when, from time to time, events conspire to remind you that you are a distinct minority and must remain so. I think that most Americans are more than sympathetic to the idea of equal protection, however that is achieved, but I KNOW that most Americans don't take too kindly to being told what they must think, feel, and 'celebrate.' But like I said, if you just enjoy fighting...

 

[P@triot]

No Pups, it isn't only between a man and a woman. In 12 states gays can legally be married. Why should the Federal Government be able to treat those marriages differently than it treats yours? On what legal grounds can you justify that?

On the grounds that 38 states do NOT accept gay marriage (if your 12 states is accurate).

If you bold within all bolded text, that which you wanted to emphasize is obscured. (I'm a helper)

30 states have constitutional amendments prohibiting marriage equality (many even prohibiting civil unions)


9 states allow civil unions and 12, full, legal marriage.

Granting those marriages the same legal status under Federal Law is not going to change the laws in your state. If you state turns down Medicare expansion, my state does not have to as well.

The Federal Government should be treating all of these legal marriages equally, regardless of how another state feels.

The federal government represents all states - and most states do not recognize gay marriage.

By the way - when I put "not" in bold - it was the ONLY thing in bold in that entire post. How did you not understand that?

 

[Unkotare]

All this fuss over a title. Holy smokes! Can't we get on with something more important?

I happen to believe this is extremely important. If you don't, move on to another thread. Nobody said you had to be here - just like nobody said SW had to marry a woman - that was her choice but she's not willing to live with the consequences of her decisions (typical liberal).

Indeed. Being a libertarian though, I don't need the government telling me I'm married...

But you DO need the government to back you up when you tell the family of the 98 year-old billionaire lady you married that you want half her fortune.

 

[Unkotare]

He's absolutely right. You aren't forced to accept anything. You may be forced to tolerate "the gheys" in your midst, but acceptance is purely voluntary.

Why don't you "tolerate" the fact that you choose to play the game outside of the rules but still expect the rules to work in your favor?

The same way a kid cheats at a game of Connect Four when you aren't looking, he's hoping you don't notice, if you do, he hopes you won't rat him out. If you do rat him out, he accuses you of cheating!

Funny how that works.

Pretty sneaky, sis.



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KsfiqAdSW0]Connect Four - "Pretty Sneaky, Sis..." (Commercial, 1981) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Seawytch]

On the grounds that 38 states do NOT accept gay marriage (if your 12 states is accurate).

If you bold within all bolded text, that which you wanted to emphasize is obscured. (I'm a helper)

30 states have constitutional amendments prohibiting marriage equality (many even prohibiting civil unions)


9 states allow civil unions and 12, full, legal marriage.

Granting those marriages the same legal status under Federal Law is not going to change the laws in your state. If you state turns down Medicare expansion, my state does not have to as well.

The Federal Government should be treating all of these legal marriages equally, regardless of how another state feels.

The federal government represents all states - and most states do not recognize gay marriage.

By the way - when I put "not" in bold - it was the ONLY thing in bold in that entire post. How did you not understand that?

You just made my point. The Federal Government represents ALL states. It can't discriminate against mine because yours thinks I'm icky.

You bolded the whole post, obscuring the bolded "not". I fixed it for you. You're welcome.

 

[Seawytch]

No, that's not what it means at all.

Yes, it is what it means. ...

Not at all. If a means is available to you to get access to all the 'rights' of a married couple, then you have no further argument legally over a point of terminology. This attitude of yours not only encourages - if not justifies - the angry posters who accuse you of wanting to use the barrel of the government's gun to force an internal embrace of your particular orientation (some would say you insist on it's 'celebration' beyond even mere acceptance), but your own goal would be more quickly and completely achieved if you did not take such a militant stance. But if you just enjoy fighting and want the fight to be as long and contentious as possible, well, have fun. Just don't complain too much when, from time to time, events conspire to remind you that you are a distinct minority and must remain so. I think that most Americans are more than sympathetic to the idea of equal protection, however that is achieved, but I KNOW that most Americans don't take too kindly to being told what they must think, feel, and 'celebrate.' But like I said, if you just enjoy fighting...

Oops, guess I made the "uppity" list for demanding equality. Shame on me.

I'm just supposed to wait quietly until y'all deem the gays "worthy". So, sorry massa!

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, it is what it means. ...

Not at all. If a means is available to you to get access to all the 'rights' of a married couple, then you have no further argument legally over a point of terminology. This attitude of yours not only encourages - if not justifies - the angry posters who accuse you of wanting to use the barrel of the government's gun to force an internal embrace of your particular orientation (some would say you insist on it's 'celebration' beyond even mere acceptance), but your own goal would be more quickly and completely achieved if you did not take such a militant stance. But if you just enjoy fighting and want the fight to be as long and contentious as possible, well, have fun. Just don't complain too much when, from time to time, events conspire to remind you that you are a distinct minority and must remain so. I think that most Americans are more than sympathetic to the idea of equal protection, however that is achieved, but I KNOW that most Americans don't take too kindly to being told what they must think, feel, and 'celebrate.' But like I said, if you just enjoy fighting...

Oops, guess I made the "uppity" list for demanding equality. Shame on me.

I'm just supposed to wait quietly until y'all deem the gays "worthy". So, sorry massa!

Don't embrace the cliché of being overly dramatic. It only demeans you and perpetuates stereotypes.