Mass shooting: At Least 11 Shot At Gilroy Garlic Festival

[Marion Morrison]

It's a real thing and many are experiencing a break from reality.

I have to wonder if it will come out this guy was on psyche drugs.

Amusing how Muslims are terrorists and white supremes are ill

He came from Muslims, dumbass.

I thought he was a white boy.
Nice insult.
Can't you post w/o one?
wV debate rules?

When it comes to you, probably not. Can you ever back any of your assertions up with facts? No?

STFU then, dumbass.

Is your google broken or are you too stupid to know how to use it?

I'm smart enough not to use Google these days. See, unlike you, I've been around for a long time and know how the internet stuff works.

Google used to suck, Babelfish, and Altavista.com and Yahoo were better..
Then around 2006-2007 Google got good.

Now they've reverted back to sucking again, but not before buying up huge swaths of necessary internet servers, so all traffic has to go through them and they can filter it.

That's bullshit. GoDaddy is bullshit too. Until you've chained 9 anonymous proxies together and been on the web for 18 hours straight, Cracking porn sites and slap raiding all their content, you can fuck off on telling me how the internet works, ok?

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Our Founders were the Progressives of their times, for the most part. The Tories were the conservatives. As for why the 2nd was written...most folks agree it was a valid attempt to empower the people..and save the Govt. the expense of funding a standing army. As most of us know..the 2nd really is a militia amendment. I agree with the right to bear arms...as I agree with the right of Govt. to regulate said possession for the public weal. As it so happen, the Supreme Court agrees.

It's all moot, for the most part..but do go on about what a group of White men 250 years ago intended for our times.

Progressive--Regressive---all the same tired shyte used to manipulate the masses. FYI..masses..that's you I'm talking about. Along with all the knee-jerk hacks on both sides...who are used with such success to maintain the stranglehold that our masters have on our lives.

No, they were the liberals. LIBERTY from government. Do some research before you make a fool of yourself again.

Progressive polices are STATIST. The opposite of liberal.

***yawn*** You are so glib with your terms..and so butt ignorant with your lack of insight and your knowledge of history. Freedom from govt. you say? Yet their very first acts were to form a govt.--never-mind that most of them would have been happy staying with England until eternity--had England been smart enough to give them seats in Parliament and an American Peerage. One of the oddities of the American Revolution is that unlike so many others..it was a revolt of the Merchants and Landowners--the nascent middle class of the times. The masses were used, abused, and fooled. As soon the the war was over..the ruling elite created things like the Electoral College and the granting of Representative govt. based on slave populations to dilute the power of the masses and concentrate power just where they wanted it.

I note with amusement your inability to actually address what I had to say..and find some nit-picky bs about terms.

Your calling me a fool is a compliment..for if we agreed..I'd have to seriously check my conclusions.

Yes, a government of, by, and FOR the people. Not some dictatorship. The only person demonstrating a severe lack of historical knowledge is you, dude.

Uh huh...not that you have the gonads to actually point my alleged lack of knowledge...LOL! I do appreciate the irony of your quoting Abe Lincoln--although it is a bit of a stretch to consider him a 'founding father'. My amusement comes from the fact that many of your ilk often refer to Lincoln as the first American dictator. Suspension of Civil rights like habeas corpus and such.
You are seriously out of your league..when it come to history...I've read your posts for years..so can state this with some degree of certainty.

But hey..surprise me...post a cogent rebuttal of my posts..point out all my factual errors....astound us with your ability. Or at least get your copy and paste on!

Where do you think i quoted abe lincoln? This oughta be good....

***sigh*** I would have thought that such a vaunted intellect would have read the Gettysburg address..i know I was required to memorize it and declaim it in front of the whole class:


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate - we cannot consecrate - we cannot hallow - this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The History Place - Great Speeches Collection: Abraham Lincoln - The Gettysburg Address


Now you might claim that your paraphrasing was not exact..and thus it was not a quote..but it was...albeit unknowingly.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Amusing how Muslims are terrorists and white supremes are ill

He came from Muslims, dumbass.

I thought he was a white boy.
Nice insult.
Can't you post w/o one?
wV debate rules?

When it comes to you, probably not. Can you ever back any of your assertions up with facts? No?

STFU then, dumbass.

Is your google broken or are you too stupid to know how to use it?

I'm smart enough not to use Google these days. See, unlike you, I've been around for a long time and know how the internet stuff works.

Google used to suck, Babelfish, and Altavista.com and Yahoo were better..
Then around 2006-2007 Google got good.

Now they've reverted back to sucking again, but not before buying up huge swaths of necessary internet servers, so all traffic has to go through them and they can filter it.

That's bullshit. GoDaddy is bullshit too. Until you've chained 9 anonymous proxies together and been on the web for 18 hours straight, Cracking porn sites and slap raiding all their content, you can fuck off on telling me how the internet works, ok?

DuckDuckGo is the best these days. No trackers and no selling of your info.

 

[jasonnfree]

And yet, some of the most dangerous states have very loose gun laws and are run by republicans.

America's Most Dangerous States - SafeHome.org

 

[Marion Morrison]

He came from Muslims, dumbass.

I thought he was a white boy.
Nice insult.
Can't you post w/o one?
wV debate rules?

When it comes to you, probably not. Can you ever back any of your assertions up with facts? No?

STFU then, dumbass.

Is your google broken or are you too stupid to know how to use it?

I'm smart enough not to use Google these days. See, unlike you, I've been around for a long time and know how the internet stuff works.

Google used to suck, Babelfish, and Altavista.com and Yahoo were better..
Then around 2006-2007 Google got good.

Now they've reverted back to sucking again, but not before buying up huge swaths of necessary internet servers, so all traffic has to go through them and they can filter it.

That's bullshit. GoDaddy is bullshit too. Until you've chained 9 anonymous proxies together and been on the web for 18 hours straight, Cracking porn sites and slap raiding all their content, you can fuck off on telling me how the internet works, ok?

DuckDuckGo is the best these days. No trackers and no selling of your info.

Next is bing.

 

[westwall]

No, they were the liberals. LIBERTY from government. Do some research before you make a fool of yourself again.

Progressive polices are STATIST. The opposite of liberal.

***yawn*** You are so glib with your terms..and so butt ignorant with your lack of insight and your knowledge of history. Freedom from govt. you say? Yet their very first acts were to form a govt.--never-mind that most of them would have been happy staying with England until eternity--had England been smart enough to give them seats in Parliament and an American Peerage. One of the oddities of the American Revolution is that unlike so many others..it was a revolt of the Merchants and Landowners--the nascent middle class of the times. The masses were used, abused, and fooled. As soon the the war was over..the ruling elite created things like the Electoral College and the granting of Representative govt. based on slave populations to dilute the power of the masses and concentrate power just where they wanted it.

I note with amusement your inability to actually address what I had to say..and find some nit-picky bs about terms.

Your calling me a fool is a compliment..for if we agreed..I'd have to seriously check my conclusions.

Yes, a government of, by, and FOR the people. Not some dictatorship. The only person demonstrating a severe lack of historical knowledge is you, dude.

Uh huh...not that you have the gonads to actually point my alleged lack of knowledge...LOL! I do appreciate the irony of your quoting Abe Lincoln--although it is a bit of a stretch to consider him a 'founding father'. My amusement comes from the fact that many of your ilk often refer to Lincoln as the first American dictator. Suspension of Civil rights like habeas corpus and such.
You are seriously out of your league..when it come to history...I've read your posts for years..so can state this with some degree of certainty.

But hey..surprise me...post a cogent rebuttal of my posts..point out all my factual errors....astound us with your ability. Or at least get your copy and paste on!

Where do you think i quoted abe lincoln? This oughta be good....

***sigh*** I would have thought that such a vaunted intellect would have read the Gettysburg address..i know I was required to memorize it and declaim it in front of the whole class:


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate - we cannot consecrate - we cannot hallow - this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The History Place - Great Speeches Collection: Abraham Lincoln - The Gettysburg Address


Now you might claim that your paraphrasing was not exact..and thus it was not a quote..but it was...albeit unknowingly.

Try again, junior...

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

 

[Marion Morrison]

And yet, some of the most dangerous states have very loose gun laws and are run by republicans.

America's Most Dangerous States - SafeHome.org

Wow! That's a lot of total bullshit!

Interesting propaganda, that.

You're safer in the blackest hood in FL than in Detroit Michigan.

We regard life more here.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

***yawn*** You are so glib with your terms..and so butt ignorant with your lack of insight and your knowledge of history. Freedom from govt. you say? Yet their very first acts were to form a govt.--never-mind that most of them would have been happy staying with England until eternity--had England been smart enough to give them seats in Parliament and an American Peerage. One of the oddities of the American Revolution is that unlike so many others..it was a revolt of the Merchants and Landowners--the nascent middle class of the times. The masses were used, abused, and fooled. As soon the the war was over..the ruling elite created things like the Electoral College and the granting of Representative govt. based on slave populations to dilute the power of the masses and concentrate power just where they wanted it.

I note with amusement your inability to actually address what I had to say..and find some nit-picky bs about terms.

Your calling me a fool is a compliment..for if we agreed..I'd have to seriously check my conclusions.

Yes, a government of, by, and FOR the people. Not some dictatorship. The only person demonstrating a severe lack of historical knowledge is you, dude.

Uh huh...not that you have the gonads to actually point my alleged lack of knowledge...LOL! I do appreciate the irony of your quoting Abe Lincoln--although it is a bit of a stretch to consider him a 'founding father'. My amusement comes from the fact that many of your ilk often refer to Lincoln as the first American dictator. Suspension of Civil rights like habeas corpus and such.
You are seriously out of your league..when it come to history...I've read your posts for years..so can state this with some degree of certainty.

But hey..surprise me...post a cogent rebuttal of my posts..point out all my factual errors....astound us with your ability. Or at least get your copy and paste on!

Where do you think i quoted abe lincoln? This oughta be good....

***sigh*** I would have thought that such a vaunted intellect would have read the Gettysburg address..i know I was required to memorize it and declaim it in front of the whole class:


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate - we cannot consecrate - we cannot hallow - this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The History Place - Great Speeches Collection: Abraham Lincoln - The Gettysburg Address


Now you might claim that your paraphrasing was not exact..and thus it was not a quote..but it was...albeit unknowingly.

Try again, junior...

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Are you stupid? I gave you the exact quote--that you stole from Abe..and you quote the Preamble of the Constitution as a rebuttal? OMG...dropped on your head as an infant? The only commonality between the Preamble and your quote is the word 'people'!

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in weeks!

I think we have established your knowledge and abilities in History....you see..you cannot substitute rhetoric for knowledge..no matter how you squirm...I own you!

 

[Marion Morrison]

Yes, a government of, by, and FOR the people. Not some dictatorship. The only person demonstrating a severe lack of historical knowledge is you, dude.

Uh huh...not that you have the gonads to actually point my alleged lack of knowledge...LOL! I do appreciate the irony of your quoting Abe Lincoln--although it is a bit of a stretch to consider him a 'founding father'. My amusement comes from the fact that many of your ilk often refer to Lincoln as the first American dictator. Suspension of Civil rights like habeas corpus and such.
You are seriously out of your league..when it come to history...I've read your posts for years..so can state this with some degree of certainty.

But hey..surprise me...post a cogent rebuttal of my posts..point out all my factual errors....astound us with your ability. Or at least get your copy and paste on!

Where do you think i quoted abe lincoln? This oughta be good....

***sigh*** I would have thought that such a vaunted intellect would have read the Gettysburg address..i know I was required to memorize it and declaim it in front of the whole class:


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate - we cannot consecrate - we cannot hallow - this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The History Place - Great Speeches Collection: Abraham Lincoln - The Gettysburg Address


Now you might claim that your paraphrasing was not exact..and thus it was not a quote..but it was...albeit unknowingly.

Try again, junior...

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Are you stupid? I gave you the exact quote--that you stole from Abe..and you quote the Preamble of the constitution as a rebuttal? OMG...dropped on your head as an infant? The only commonality between the Preamble and your quote is the word 'people'!

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in weeks!

I think we have established your knowledge and abilities in History....you see..you cannot substitute rhetoric for knowledge..no matter how you squirm...I own you!

I disagree. westwall is a wise man.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Uh huh...not that you have the gonads to actually point my alleged lack of knowledge...LOL! I do appreciate the irony of your quoting Abe Lincoln--although it is a bit of a stretch to consider him a 'founding father'. My amusement comes from the fact that many of your ilk often refer to Lincoln as the first American dictator. Suspension of Civil rights like habeas corpus and such.
You are seriously out of your league..when it come to history...I've read your posts for years..so can state this with some degree of certainty.

But hey..surprise me...post a cogent rebuttal of my posts..point out all my factual errors....astound us with your ability. Or at least get your copy and paste on!

Where do you think i quoted abe lincoln? This oughta be good....

***sigh*** I would have thought that such a vaunted intellect would have read the Gettysburg address..i know I was required to memorize it and declaim it in front of the whole class:


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate - we cannot consecrate - we cannot hallow - this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The History Place - Great Speeches Collection: Abraham Lincoln - The Gettysburg Address


Now you might claim that your paraphrasing was not exact..and thus it was not a quote..but it was...albeit unknowingly.

Try again, junior...

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Are you stupid? I gave you the exact quote--that you stole from Abe..and you quote the Preamble of the constitution as a rebuttal? OMG...dropped on your head as an infant? The only commonality between the Preamble and your quote is the word 'people'!

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in weeks!

I think we have established your knowledge and abilities in History....you see..you cannot substitute rhetoric for knowledge..no matter how you squirm...I own you!

I disagree. westwall is a wise man.

Well..he's definitely not at his best here..as you can see.

 

[westwall]

And yet, some of the most dangerous states have very loose gun laws and are run by republicans.

America's Most Dangerous States - SafeHome.org

A completely bogus "study". Look at the variables they toss in to skew the stats. They take the raw data and bury it under crap like "law enforcement to civility ratios" which is a non existent metric in real world criminology.

 

[miketx]

Nope. But had that 6-year old boy not lived in an unconstitutional shit-hole like California, the people with him would have had a gun on them and prevented the shooting.

But hey, like all leftists, you prefer ideology over reality. And that’s why people die.

Yeah, nobody knows what's really going on, and upon hearing shots everybody brandishes a gun, and the "good guys with a gun" but without much by way of training are killing each other off, not to mention scores of kids and other bystanders because they couldn't hit a garage door from 20 feet away while hearing shots fired in anger.

You are a first rate know-nothing idiot - the NRA propaganda microwaved your brain into a peanut-sized lump of grease.

Oh snowflake....there are thousands and thousands and thousands of instances over the last century of law abiding citizens preventing crimes with their own firearm.

You’re a typical leftist...all raw emotion and devoid of all facts. So you just scream the fairytale emotional scenarios that run through your limited intellect.

There are also thousands of incidents of people being shot with their own guns..so it evens out just a bit.
As for armed citizens stopping a mass shooter..it has happened..about 3-5% of the time. Worth having everyone carry? I dunno...I carry..especially when at events..would i engage a shooter...one of those decisions that I'd have to make in the moment...one never really knows what they're going to do is such cases..overblown, testosterone fueled rhetoric fails people..when they're in the mix.

Fact Check: More Armed Citizens Equals Less Mass Shootings?

Let's Talk About The Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By "A Good Guy With A Gun"

Fake news, liar.

 

[westwall]

Where do you think i quoted abe lincoln? This oughta be good....

***sigh*** I would have thought that such a vaunted intellect would have read the Gettysburg address..i know I was required to memorize it and declaim it in front of the whole class:


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate - we cannot consecrate - we cannot hallow - this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The History Place - Great Speeches Collection: Abraham Lincoln - The Gettysburg Address


Now you might claim that your paraphrasing was not exact..and thus it was not a quote..but it was...albeit unknowingly.

Try again, junior...

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Are you stupid? I gave you the exact quote--that you stole from Abe..and you quote the Preamble of the constitution as a rebuttal? OMG...dropped on your head as an infant? The only commonality between the Preamble and your quote is the word 'people'!

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in weeks!

I think we have established your knowledge and abilities in History....you see..you cannot substitute rhetoric for knowledge..no matter how you squirm...I own you!

I disagree. westwall is a wise man.

Well..he's definitely not at his best here..as you can see.

Oh? How so? Everything i base my political ideology on is rooted in the COTUS, and by inference Cicero, Locke, and Montesquieu.

 

[2aguy]

An extreme gun control state, a gun free zone event....where they even had armed guards and metal detectors at all the gates....

The attacker cut his way through a fence to avoid the metal detectors....

He killed until someone used a gun to stop him, this time a police officer..

Another mass public shooting at another gun-free zone: the Gilroy Garlic Festival attack - Crime Prevention Research Center

Three people were killed and 15 injured.

The attacker cut through a back fence to avoid security checkpoints with metal detectors. This area was a gun-free zone.

But as a general point, even if this wasn’t an area where people were already banned from having guns, do you wonder why there isn’t someone to stop some of the mass public shootings in places such as California? In 2018, the County with a little over 1.5 million adults had issued just 113 concealed handgun permits — that is just 0.007% of adults. To put it differently, that is only 1 permit issued for every 14,300 people. General citizens in Santa Clara County are banned from being able to carry concealed handguns. There is no nearby county that has even one percent of the population with permits, and for California as a whole, only 0.39% of adults have a permit. Last year, outside the restrictive states of California and New York, about 8.63% of the adult population has a permit.

What very few permits are granted in the county are going to be granted in in San Jose and the wealthiest areas of the county, not in Gilroy.

Here is a list of cases we found where concealed handgun permit holders have stopped what otherwise would have been a mass public shooting.

Again, police are important, but they have a very difficult job in stopping these types of attacks. Attackers will either wait until there are no officers nearby or if there is an officer nearby, they will kill him first. There were police near, but even a minute or two is a very long time.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Nope. But had that 6-year old boy not lived in an unconstitutional shit-hole like California, the people with him would have had a gun on them and prevented the shooting.

But hey, like all leftists, you prefer ideology over reality. And that’s why people die.

Yeah, nobody knows what's really going on, and upon hearing shots everybody brandishes a gun, and the "good guys with a gun" but without much by way of training are killing each other off, not to mention scores of kids and other bystanders because they couldn't hit a garage door from 20 feet away while hearing shots fired in anger.

You are a first rate know-nothing idiot - the NRA propaganda microwaved your brain into a peanut-sized lump of grease.

Oh snowflake....there are thousands and thousands and thousands of instances over the last century of law abiding citizens preventing crimes with their own firearm.

You’re a typical leftist...all raw emotion and devoid of all facts. So you just scream the fairytale emotional scenarios that run through your limited intellect.

There are also thousands of incidents of people being shot with their own guns..so it evens out just a bit.
As for armed citizens stopping a mass shooter..it has happened..about 3-5% of the time. Worth having everyone carry? I dunno...I carry..especially when at events..would i engage a shooter...one of those decisions that I'd have to make in the moment...one never really knows what they're going to do is such cases..overblown, testosterone fueled rhetoric fails people..when they're in the mix.

Fact Check: More Armed Citizens Equals Less Mass Shootings?

Let's Talk About The Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By "A Good Guy With A Gun"

Fake news, liar.

Why hullo Mike...very cogent rebuttal you posted...I'm crushed..just...crushed! Oh wait...nope..not crushed at all...because you proved nothing..all you did was let out another written fart...PooF!

Stinkin' up the joint..what did you eat..some InfoWars stew..or some Gateway Pundit fondue?

 

[otto105]

Police responded to the festival grounds around 5:30PM. Around 11 people were reportedly shot. One of them has died.

Never knew there was a garlic festival, prayers go to the victims.



MASS SHOOTING: At Least 11 Shot At Gilroy Garlic Festival - Breaking911

Did the gun get out okay and did republic pols offer thoughts and prayers for it?

That's the only thing the matters post event....

 

[Marion Morrison]

Nope. But had that 6-year old boy not lived in an unconstitutional shit-hole like California, the people with him would have had a gun on them and prevented the shooting.

But hey, like all leftists, you prefer ideology over reality. And that’s why people die.

Yeah, nobody knows what's really going on, and upon hearing shots everybody brandishes a gun, and the "good guys with a gun" but without much by way of training are killing each other off, not to mention scores of kids and other bystanders because they couldn't hit a garage door from 20 feet away while hearing shots fired in anger.

You are a first rate know-nothing idiot - the NRA propaganda microwaved your brain into a peanut-sized lump of grease.

Oh snowflake....there are thousands and thousands and thousands of instances over the last century of law abiding citizens preventing crimes with their own firearm.

You’re a typical leftist...all raw emotion and devoid of all facts. So you just scream the fairytale emotional scenarios that run through your limited intellect.

There are also thousands of incidents of people being shot with their own guns..so it evens out just a bit.
As for armed citizens stopping a mass shooter..it has happened..about 3-5% of the time. Worth having everyone carry? I dunno...I carry..especially when at events..would i engage a shooter...one of those decisions that I'd have to make in the moment...one never really knows what they're going to do is such cases..overblown, testosterone fueled rhetoric fails people..when they're in the mix.

Fact Check: More Armed Citizens Equals Less Mass Shootings?

Let's Talk About The Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By "A Good Guy With A Gun"

Fake news, liar.

"Fact Check" That crap is for the intellectually lazy. I can debunk that bullshit all day, every day. Thank God for a real American education. I can get my proof from microfiche. I do know how to support my assertions properly.
"Fact Check" is not the way. Leftists run the "Fact Checkers".

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

***sigh*** I would have thought that such a vaunted intellect would have read the Gettysburg address..i know I was required to memorize it and declaim it in front of the whole class:


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate - we cannot consecrate - we cannot hallow - this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The History Place - Great Speeches Collection: Abraham Lincoln - The Gettysburg Address


Now you might claim that your paraphrasing was not exact..and thus it was not a quote..but it was...albeit unknowingly.

Try again, junior...

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Are you stupid? I gave you the exact quote--that you stole from Abe..and you quote the Preamble of the constitution as a rebuttal? OMG...dropped on your head as an infant? The only commonality between the Preamble and your quote is the word 'people'!

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in weeks!

I think we have established your knowledge and abilities in History....you see..you cannot substitute rhetoric for knowledge..no matter how you squirm...I own you!

I disagree. westwall is a wise man.

Well..he's definitely not at his best here..as you can see.

Oh? How so? Everything i base my political ideology on is rooted in the COTUS, and by inference Cicero, Locke, and Montesquieu.

Uh huh....running from the steaming pile of your quote, are you? OK..far enough..if you can't just admit the gaff and move on..I'll not mention it again.

 

[miketx]

Nope. But had that 6-year old boy not lived in an unconstitutional shit-hole like California, the people with him would have had a gun on them and prevented the shooting.

But hey, like all leftists, you prefer ideology over reality. And that’s why people die.

Yeah, nobody knows what's really going on, and upon hearing shots everybody brandishes a gun, and the "good guys with a gun" but without much by way of training are killing each other off, not to mention scores of kids and other bystanders because they couldn't hit a garage door from 20 feet away while hearing shots fired in anger.

You are a first rate know-nothing idiot - the NRA propaganda microwaved your brain into a peanut-sized lump of grease.

Oh snowflake....there are thousands and thousands and thousands of instances over the last century of law abiding citizens preventing crimes with their own firearm.

You’re a typical leftist...all raw emotion and devoid of all facts. So you just scream the fairytale emotional scenarios that run through your limited intellect.

There are also thousands of incidents of people being shot with their own guns..so it evens out just a bit.
As for armed citizens stopping a mass shooter..it has happened..about 3-5% of the time. Worth having everyone carry? I dunno...I carry..especially when at events..would i engage a shooter...one of those decisions that I'd have to make in the moment...one never really knows what they're going to do is such cases..overblown, testosterone fueled rhetoric fails people..when they're in the mix.

Fact Check: More Armed Citizens Equals Less Mass Shootings?

Let's Talk About The Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By "A Good Guy With A Gun"

Fake news, liar.

Why hullo Mike...very cogent rebuttal you posted...I'm crushed..just...crushed! Oh wait...nope..not crushed at all...because you proved nothing..all you did was let out another written fart...PooF!

Stinkin' up the joint..what did you eat..some InfoWars stew..or some Gateway Pundit fondue?

Typical diarrhea from you liars.

 

[Slade3200]

Well I’m on the so called “left”, so I’m gonna push back when the generalizations get used in conversations. What’s the point?

The point is that the comment was 100% accurate. The left overwhelmingly believes that voter ID is an obstacle that cannot be overcome.

You are not the litmus test for the left. Just because you feel a certain way doesn’t mean the rest on the left feels the same way.

I just don't understand the fight against the “Left”... what’s the point of that? Talk to people and engage with them about their thoughts and ideas. Otherwise I see it as a strawman

It's a futile effort that's for sure because they simply don't have any thoughts or ideas.

I will say... even though I agree with Patriot very little of the time, he is a smart cookie. Hard headed and sharp in tone yes, but he can bring a good debate... when he doesn’t use the straw man of course ;-)