Mass shooting in Canada? did it just happen?

[Wry Catcher]

No one cheers mass murder more than 2aguy - he celebrates every mass murder as a cause for more guns into the hands of more people.

No twit.....I point out that making gun free zones gets people murdered.....you guys love them no matter how many people die in them........and again, if someone there had been armed, they might have saved lives, moron....

And they might have killed someone innocent. Odds are..they would have.
When are you going to address your issue? We all see it. Why can't you?

Shoot the guy shooting the unarmed people. Odds are you are getting the right one. Its not like bullets curve you know. You DO know that right clown trash?

Another shoot-em-up internet badass cowboy pipes in. As an American, the odds that you will be shot by a toddler who got hold of daddy's penis substitute are greater than the odds that you will die at the hands of a mass murderer.

People usually miss their target when their target is a human being. Did you know that?

And even though mass shootings are extremely rare...only 4 in 2014... And half of those were Muslim terrorists......you anti gun loons still want to confiscate the 357 million guns that weren't used in mass shootings......

because of mass shootings....

Now that is lame...

Post the thread or bill introduced where an advocate for gun control argued for the confiscation of all 357 million guns in America. Or, apologize for being a liar.

You make this claim in every gun thread, yet have produced no evidence to prove this claim. That makes you stupid and a liar.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You did it! You piggy-backed on my sense of humor! Well done nutbag.

Your sense of humour? You have one?

I understand how you wouldn't know one when you see one. It's not your fault.

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Both the OP and you have called me a racist in this thread. Nice work.

Yes because you are....but Leftists think they can't possibly be racist.

There is a difference between racism and ethnocentrism, as you would know if you had ever attended college or a high school way north of the Mason Dixon Line.

 

[2aguy]

No twit.....I point out that making gun free zones gets people murdered.....you guys love them no matter how many people die in them........and again, if someone there had been armed, they might have saved lives, moron....

And they might have killed someone innocent. Odds are..they would have.
When are you going to address your issue? We all see it. Why can't you?

Shoot the guy shooting the unarmed people. Odds are you are getting the right one. Its not like bullets curve you know. You DO know that right clown trash?

Another shoot-em-up internet badass cowboy pipes in. As an American, the odds that you will be shot by a toddler who got hold of daddy's penis substitute are greater than the odds that you will die at the hands of a mass murderer.

People usually miss their target when their target is a human being. Did you know that?

And even though mass shootings are extremely rare...only 4 in 2014... And half of those were Muslim terrorists......you anti gun loons still want to confiscate the 357 million guns that weren't used in mass shootings......

because of mass shootings....

Now that is lame...

Post the thread or bill introduced where an advocate for gun control argued for the confiscation of all 357 million guns in America. Or, apologize for being a liar.

You make this claim in every gun thread, yet have produced no evidence to prove this claim. That makes you stupid and a liar.

 

[2aguy]

No twit.....I point out that making gun free zones gets people murdered.....you guys love them no matter how many people die in them........and again, if someone there had been armed, they might have saved lives, moron....

And they might have killed someone innocent. Odds are..they would have.
When are you going to address your issue? We all see it. Why can't you?

Shoot the guy shooting the unarmed people. Odds are you are getting the right one. Its not like bullets curve you know. You DO know that right clown trash?

Another shoot-em-up internet badass cowboy pipes in. As an American, the odds that you will be shot by a toddler who got hold of daddy's penis substitute are greater than the odds that you will die at the hands of a mass murderer.

People usually miss their target when their target is a human being. Did you know that?

And even though mass shootings are extremely rare...only 4 in 2014... And half of those were Muslim terrorists......you anti gun loons still want to confiscate the 357 million guns that weren't used in mass shootings......

because of mass shootings....

Now that is lame...

Post the thread or bill introduced where an advocate for gun control argued for the confiscation of all 357 million guns in America. Or, apologize for being a liar.

You make this claim in every gun thread, yet have produced no evidence to prove this claim. That makes you stupid and a liar.

Georgia wants to ban magazines and "Assault weapons" the ban on magazines would ban all semi auto pistols that exceed whatever limit they put on it.......

And we have Feinstein on video saying if she could she would....and obama told John Lott that he doesn't believe Americans should be allowed to own guns........

You guys live in a fantasy world....give them that power for one day and our guns would be gone....

 

[whitehall]

Canada's geographical area is slightly bigger than the U.S. but it's population is only about the size of California. It seems that statistically the Canadians are on a par with American insane gun violence. Lesson learned, stop preaching to the U.S.

 

[Wry Catcher]

And they might have killed someone innocent. Odds are..they would have.
When are you going to address your issue? We all see it. Why can't you?

Shoot the guy shooting the unarmed people. Odds are you are getting the right one. Its not like bullets curve you know. You DO know that right clown trash?

Another shoot-em-up internet badass cowboy pipes in. As an American, the odds that you will be shot by a toddler who got hold of daddy's penis substitute are greater than the odds that you will die at the hands of a mass murderer.

People usually miss their target when their target is a human being. Did you know that?

And even though mass shootings are extremely rare...only 4 in 2014... And half of those were Muslim terrorists......you anti gun loons still want to confiscate the 357 million guns that weren't used in mass shootings......

because of mass shootings....

Now that is lame...

Post the thread or bill introduced where an advocate for gun control argued for the confiscation of all 357 million guns in America. Or, apologize for being a liar.

You make this claim in every gun thread, yet have produced no evidence to prove this claim. That makes you stupid and a liar.

2agudy double downs on stupidity and dishonesty.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Canada's geographical area is slightly bigger than the U.S. but it's population is only about the size of California. It seems that statistically the Canadians are on a par with American insane gun violence. Lesson learned, stop preaching to the U.S.

No. Not even close.

 

[Toro]

Canada's geographical area is slightly bigger than the U.S. but it's population is only about the size of California. It seems that statistically the Canadians are on a par with American insane gun violence. Lesson learned, stop preaching to the U.S.

No. Not even close.

American gun violence is ~4x higher than in Canada IIRC.

Canadians generally think American gun policy is insane.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope......they have shotgun access in all of those countries and that is all you need to do a mass shooting..again, the famous mass shooting in Britain that ended up in gun confiscation.....a shotgun.....

and they had confiscations and those things stopped happening in the UK.

Wow. Amazing. the UK has one every decade, we have one every week.

 

[2aguy]

Nope......they have shotgun access in all of those countries and that is all you need to do a mass shooting..again, the famous mass shooting in Britain that ended up in gun confiscation.....a shotgun.....

and they had confiscations and those things stopped happening in the UK.

Wow. Amazing. the UK has one every decade, we have one every week.

wrong.....they weren't happening before the confiscation.......they had very few and then after the confiscation they had another big one........the guy used a shotgun....

They almost had another one, a 19 year old guy bought a Glock 19 on the dark web with 90 rounds of ammo to shoot up the university that kicked him out...

Again....luck, not their gun laws have kept this from happening in Britain......

Their nuts are not doing it by choice, not because they can't get guns.....and wait till they catch up....then what will you anti gun loons say?

 

[2aguy]

Nope......they have shotgun access in all of those countries and that is all you need to do a mass shooting..again, the famous mass shooting in Britain that ended up in gun confiscation.....a shotgun.....

and they had confiscations and those things stopped happening in the UK.

Wow. Amazing. the UK has one every decade, we have one every week.

So....they confiscated guns in 1997..

Firearms policy in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And one of the worst mass shootings happened in 2010....with a .22 rifle and a shotgun.....in a country that confiscated guns....

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre, the 1989 Monkseaton shootings, and the 1996 Dunblane school massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.

• George Fisher 12 gaugedouble-barreled shotgun[2]
• CZ 452-2E ZKM .22-calibrebolt-action rifle[3

So no....British gun control does not stop mass shootings.....their nuts just don't do it as often...

A .22 bolt action rifle and a double barreled shotgun....not exactly AR-15s are they...

 

[JoeB131]

wrong.....they weren't happening before the confiscation.......they had very few and then after the confiscation they had another big one........the guy used a shotgun....

They almost had another one, a 19 year old guy bought a Glock 19 on the dark web with 90 rounds of ammo to shoot up the university that kicked him out...

So he had to do something illegal and got caught.

As opposed to the US, where Holmes, Loughner and Cho had no problem getting LEGAL guns and then shooting up dozens of people.

 

[2aguy]

wrong.....they weren't happening before the confiscation.......they had very few and then after the confiscation they had another big one........the guy used a shotgun....

They almost had another one, a 19 year old guy bought a Glock 19 on the dark web with 90 rounds of ammo to shoot up the university that kicked him out...

So he had to do something illegal and got caught.

As opposed to the US, where Holmes, Loughner and Cho had no problem getting LEGAL guns and then shooting up dozens of people.

The cumbria shooting twit....the guns were legal in Britain........

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The mass shooters you point out......passed all of your gun laws to do it.........and murdered those people in the gun free zones you support......

 

[2aguy]

wrong.....they weren't happening before the confiscation.......they had very few and then after the confiscation they had another big one........the guy used a shotgun....

They almost had another one, a 19 year old guy bought a Glock 19 on the dark web with 90 rounds of ammo to shoot up the university that kicked him out...

So he had to do something illegal and got caught.

As opposed to the US, where Holmes, Loughner and Cho had no problem getting LEGAL guns and then shooting up dozens of people.

Here you go...

Bird had been a licensed firearms holder and the incident sparked debate about further gun control in the United Kingdom; the previous Dunblane and Hungerford shootings had led to increased firearms controls.[19]

 

[2aguy]

wrong.....they weren't happening before the confiscation.......they had very few and then after the confiscation they had another big one........the guy used a shotgun....

They almost had another one, a 19 year old guy bought a Glock 19 on the dark web with 90 rounds of ammo to shoot up the university that kicked him out...

So he had to do something illegal and got caught.

As opposed to the US, where Holmes, Loughner and Cho had no problem getting LEGAL guns and then shooting up dozens of people.

And after confiscating guns....you still have gun crime in Britain....it is at the same level it was before the confiscation.........and if these guys can get guns, they could just as easily do a mass shooting...they simply choose not to....gun control doesn't stop them...

Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door

But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.

Salford shooting of mother and son linked to gangland murder of Paul Massey

Read more
This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
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http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester

Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.
In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.

Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:

1. Salford ~ 35
2. South Manchester ~ 22
3. Oldham ~ 9
4. Tameside ~ 6
5. Wigan ~ 6
6. Trafford ~ 4
7. Stockport ~ 3
8. Bolton ~ 2
9. Bury ~ 2
10. Rochdale ~ 1
11. Unidentified ~ 1

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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072

he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.
Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.
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http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking


A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.
Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.
Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.
The teen died at the scene, police said.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel

Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.
The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.
It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
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Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.

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Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.
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Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

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And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.


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http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/20/uks-gun-capital-rancour-and-regret-over-west-midlands-label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.
“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”
The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.
“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again

The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.
There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.​

 

[2aguy]

wrong.....they weren't happening before the confiscation.......they had very few and then after the confiscation they had another big one........the guy used a shotgun....

They almost had another one, a 19 year old guy bought a Glock 19 on the dark web with 90 rounds of ammo to shoot up the university that kicked him out...

So he had to do something illegal and got caught.

As opposed to the US, where Holmes, Loughner and Cho had no problem getting LEGAL guns and then shooting up dozens of people.

And here is the 19 year old....he isn't the only one who can get a gun in gun controlled Britain...gun control does not work...they are smuggling guns into britain in small planes, trucks and even in X-box games.....

http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

 

[JoeB131]

The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre, the 1989 Monkseaton shootings, and the 1996 Dunblane school massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.

So the point is, over a period of nearly 30 years, they've had all of FOUR Incidents.

We've had Aurora, Tuscon, Sandy Hook, Charleston, San Bernadino, Rosewood.. just in the last couple of years. Oh, yeah, also, Fort Hood (twice) the Navy Yard, the Sihk Temple, I'm sure I can list a lot more if I even bothered to google the ones that don't leap to my head.

So you know what, "A lot less" kind of works for me.

 

[idb]

The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre, the 1989 Monkseaton shootings, and the 1996 Dunblane school massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.

So the point is, over a period of nearly 30 years, they've had all of FOUR Incidents.

We've had Aurora, Tuscon, Sandy Hook, Charleston, San Bernadino, Rosewood.. just in the last couple of years. Oh, yeah, also, Fort Hood (twice) the Navy Yard, the Sihk Temple, I'm sure I can list a lot more if I even bothered to google the ones that don't leap to my head.

So you know what, "A lot less" kind of works for me.

Yeah, but apparently those were all just bad luck according to 2aguy.

 

[2aguy]

The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre, the 1989 Monkseaton shootings, and the 1996 Dunblane school massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.

So the point is, over a period of nearly 30 years, they've had all of FOUR Incidents.

We've had Aurora, Tuscon, Sandy Hook, Charleston, San Bernadino, Rosewood.. just in the last couple of years. Oh, yeah, also, Fort Hood (twice) the Navy Yard, the Sihk Temple, I'm sure I can list a lot more if I even bothered to google the ones that don't leap to my head.

So you know what, "A lot less" kind of works for me.

Yes......they have had fewer because their nuts haven't done them........not because of their gun control laws...they had fewer than we had before they confiscated their guns...it is culture, not access that makes the difference between their shooters and ours...

And as the original post points out....that is changing....the media is encouraging copy cats in Canada.....and they will do so in Europe and Australia as well.......just give it time.....

 

[2aguy]

The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre, the 1989 Monkseaton shootings, and the 1996 Dunblane school massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.

So the point is, over a period of nearly 30 years, they've had all of FOUR Incidents.

We've had Aurora, Tuscon, Sandy Hook, Charleston, San Bernadino, Rosewood.. just in the last couple of years. Oh, yeah, also, Fort Hood (twice) the Navy Yard, the Sihk Temple, I'm sure I can list a lot more if I even bothered to google the ones that don't leap to my head.

So you know what, "A lot less" kind of works for me.

Yeah, but apparently those were all just bad luck according to 2aguy.

No twit.....there mass shooters were able to kill people like ours....they are lucky because their nuts don't shoot people as often....they do have more bombings than we do though.