Massachusetts: This Is The Nation’s Toughest Gun Law

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Thanks for playing. non sequiturs are usually considered fallacies. and, you only have a fallacy of composition.

Improperly using words interchangeably is ENGLISH FAIL.

Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


Well-Regulated =/= Organized

English Fail.

you are simply appealing to ignorance of the law; that is why you only have excuses.

Argument from Ignorance

Appeal to Ignorance - The assumption of a conclusion or fact based primarily on lack of evidence to the contrary.

You have never ONCE explained how I am appealing to ignorance. NOT ONCE.

You don't even know what the fuck that means.

Wellness of regulation Must be prescribed by our federal Congress for the Militia of the United States.

WRONG!!!

Art. 1, Section 8 only provides this:

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

NOTHING in there states "wellness of regulation."

 

[danielpalos]

Thanks for playing. non sequiturs are usually considered fallacies. and, you only have a fallacy of composition.

Improperly using words interchangeably is ENGLISH FAIL.

Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


Well-Regulated =/= Organized

English Fail.

you are simply appealing to ignorance of the law; that is why you only have excuses.

Argument from Ignorance

Appeal to Ignorance - The assumption of a conclusion or fact based primarily on lack of evidence to the contrary.

You have never ONCE explained how I am appealing to ignorance. NOT ONCE.

You don't even know what the fuck that means.

Wellness of regulation Must be prescribed by our federal Congress for the Militia of the United States.

WRONG!!!

Art. 1, Section 8 only provides this:

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

NOTHING in there states "wellness of regulation."

that is why nobody should take the right wing seriously, if the language has more than single syllables.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Thanks for playing. non sequiturs are usually considered fallacies. and, you only have a fallacy of composition.

Improperly using words interchangeably is ENGLISH FAIL.

Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


Well-Regulated =/= Organized

English Fail.

you are simply appealing to ignorance of the law; that is why you only have excuses.

Argument from Ignorance

Appeal to Ignorance - The assumption of a conclusion or fact based primarily on lack of evidence to the contrary.

You have never ONCE explained how I am appealing to ignorance. NOT ONCE.

You don't even know what the fuck that means.

Wellness of regulation Must be prescribed by our federal Congress for the Militia of the United States.

WRONG!!!

Art. 1, Section 8 only provides this:

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

NOTHING in there states "wellness of regulation."

that is why nobody should take the right wing seriously, if the language has more than single syllables.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

And, what discipline was prescribed by congress?

Remember, discipline does NOT mean organized v. unorganized. It also does not mean well-regulated. Stop conflating everything and your continued argumentum ad nauseam FALLACY.

EITHER WAY, you continue to ignore the operative clause and argue ad nauseam that the intent of the 2nd was precisely opposite of the founders' statements on the subject,, which you conveniently ignore.

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

How do you explain Thomas Jefferson's statement?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

This is exactly what you are doing, danpalos:

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

Now, go ahead with your fallacy of Argument by Repetition.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

Wait....they are not organized. How can they have guns if they are the unorganized or "well-regulated" (which is English fail)?

Surely, Hamilton did not intend the people to be armed except that portion that meets the "Wellness of Regulation" standard, right dan?

You know you are so wrong. I am just hacking at your proverbial dead body right now.

Federalist Papers No. 28

 

[danielpalos]

Thanks for playing. non sequiturs are usually considered fallacies. and, you only have a fallacy of composition.

Improperly using words interchangeably is ENGLISH FAIL.

Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


Well-Regulated =/= Organized

English Fail.

you are simply appealing to ignorance of the law; that is why you only have excuses.

Argument from Ignorance

Appeal to Ignorance - The assumption of a conclusion or fact based primarily on lack of evidence to the contrary.

You have never ONCE explained how I am appealing to ignorance. NOT ONCE.

You don't even know what the fuck that means.

Wellness of regulation Must be prescribed by our federal Congress for the Militia of the United States.

WRONG!!!

Art. 1, Section 8 only provides this:

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

NOTHING in there states "wellness of regulation."

that is why nobody should take the right wing seriously, if the language has more than single syllables.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

And, what discipline was prescribed by congress?

Remember, discipline does NOT mean organized v. unorganized. It also does not mean well-regulated. Stop conflating everything and your continued argumentum ad nauseam FALLACY.

EITHER WAY, you continue to ignore the operative clause and argue ad nauseam that the intent of the 2nd was precisely opposite of the founders' statements on the subject,, which you conveniently ignore.

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

How do you explain Thomas Jefferson's statement?

Wellness of regulation, must be prescribed by Congress.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Wellness of regulation, must be prescribed by Congress.

WRONG!!!

Discipline must be prescribed. Not "Wellness of Regulation"

Discipline means the type TRAINING, not "Wellness of Regulation" as you have repeatedly conflated.

What training has been prescribed by Congress? Anything?

And how does that allow Congress to infringe?

You cannot explain any of this and how it compares with the statements of many of the founders. You have nothing but the fallacy of Argument by Repetition.

 

[danielpalos]

Wellness of regulation, must be prescribed by Congress.

WRONG!!!

Discipline must be prescribed. Not "Wellness of Regulation"

Discipline means the type TRAINING, not "Wellness of Regulation" as you have repeatedly conflated.

What training has been prescribed by Congress? Anything?

And how does that allow Congress to infringe?

You cannot explain any of this and how it compares with the statements of many of the founders. You have nothing but the fallacy of Argument by Repetition.

Wellness of regulation is discipline. Nobody takes the right wing seriously; fallacy is all they have. The words must be, too complex.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Wellness of regulation is discipline. Nobody takes the right wing seriously; fallacy is all they have. The words must be, too complex.

There is no such thing as "Wellness of Regulation." You pulled that term straight out of your ass.

Art 1, sec. 8:
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Discipline means a type of training.

Stop making up shit and arguing in repetition, which is a fallacy.

 

[danielpalos]

Wellness of regulation is discipline. Nobody takes the right wing seriously; fallacy is all they have. The words must be, too complex.

There is no such thing as "Wellness of Regulation." You pulled that term straight out of your ass.

Art 1, sec. 8:
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Discipline means a type of training.

Stop making up shit and arguing in repetition, which is a fallacy.

The discipline prescribed by Congress must address wellness of regulation for the Militia of the United States.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The discipline prescribed by Congress must address wellness of regulation for the Militia of the United States.

I thought you just said "Wellness of Regulation" and discipline are the same thing?

Are you admitting that I am right?

NOWHERE does it say that the discipline prescribed must address "wellness of regulation."

 

[danielpalos]

The discipline prescribed by Congress must address wellness of regulation for the Militia of the United States.

I thought you just said "Wellness of Regulation" and discipline are the same thing?

Are you admitting that I am right?

NOWHERE does it say that the discipline prescribed must address "wellness of regulation."

irrelevant; where else would the militia of the United State get their wellness of regulation from, if not from the discipline prescribed?

 

[westwall]

How many were killed by AR15 silly girl. Funny how you left THAT number out.

58 by just one shooter in Vegas...

Would they have been less dead if run down by a 1 ton truck. The dude was a millionaire. He could afford a different tool.

Would be hard to drive a truck into that concert. Sitting on the second floor of this building I’m not too worried about trucks. Guns seem to get everywhere however.

You just wait until the concert gets out lower the snow plow and floor it

Sounds like you are planning something.

Trucks are easy to avoid, guns go everywhere.

Tell that to the 86 who were killed by a truck in Nice.

 

[westwall]

The discipline prescribed by Congress must address wellness of regulation for the Militia of the United States.

I thought you just said "Wellness of Regulation" and discipline are the same thing?

Are you admitting that I am right?

NOWHERE does it say that the discipline prescribed must address "wellness of regulation."

irrelevant; where else would the militia of the United State get their wellness of regulation from, if not from the discipline prescribed?

And you keep ignoring the meaning of "Well Regulated" as it was in use at the time.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

irrelevant; where else would the militia of the United State get their wellness of

The fallacy of circular argument.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Here are your fallacies, dan:

Argument by Gibberish

(also known as: bafflement, argument by [prestigious] jargon)

Description: When incomprehensible jargon or plain incoherent gibberish is used to give the appearance of a strong argument, in place of evidence or valid reasons to accept the argument.

The more common form of this argument is when the person making the argument defaults to highly technical jargon or details not directly related to the argument, then restates the conclusion.


Argument by Repetition

argumentum ad nauseam

(also known as: argument from nagging, proof by assertion)

Description: Repeating an argument or a premise over and over again in place of better supporting evidence.


Argument by Selective Reading

Description: When a series of arguments or claims is made and the opponent acts as if the weakest argument was the best one made. This is a form of cherry picking and very similar to the selective attention fallacy.

Argument from Fallacy

argumentum ad logicam

(also known as: disproof by fallacy, argument to logic, fallacy fallacy, fallacist's fallacy, bad reasons fallacy [form of])

Description: Concluding that the truth value of an argument is false based on the fact that the argument contains a fallacy.

Avoiding the Issue

(also known as: avoiding the question [form of], missing the point, straying off the subject, digressing, distraction [form of])

Description: When an arguer responds to an argument by not addressing the points of the argument. Unlike the strawman fallacy, avoiding the issue does not create an unrelated argument to divert attention, it simply avoids the argument.


Circular Definition

Description: A circular definition is defining a term by using the term in the definition. Ironically, that definition is partly guilty by my use of the term “definition” in the definition. Okay, I am using definition way too much. Damn! I just did it again.

Circular Reasoning
circulus in demonstrando

(also known as: paradoxical thinking, circular argument, circular cause and consequence, reasoning in a circle)

Description: A type of reasoning in which the proposition is supported by the premises, which is supported by the proposition, creating a circle in reasoning where no useful information is being shared. This fallacy is often quite humorous.

 

[LOki]

One is a tool, the other is designed as a weapon.

It's sadly funny to watch NRA gun nutters try to equate hammers and vehicles with AR-15s and other weapons designed to kill.

The facts are that hammers murder more people than AR-15s do. That is what is called a fact. And, it is a fact that you can't dance around.

Please prove with credible sources that hammers are used to INTENTIONALLY murder more people than AR-15s - in the U.S.

Credible Source.

Look at the FBI link below:

Expanded Homicide Data Table 11

Rifles - 323
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) - 496

 

[bgrouse]

So your argument is neither the people's nor the militia's right to bear arms shall be infringed? OK.

Only one subset of the whole People shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union, not natural rights.

Is that something out of the constitution in the Judge Dredd universe?

What does DC v Heller paragraph (2), mean to you.

Does it matter what it means to me? If you don't like my answer, you'll start writing versions of the court case that don't exist outside of your imagination. Just like you do with the second amendment.

And no, I'm not digging up court cases for you. YOU quote it if you want to discuss it.

it clearly states, well regulated militia are not infringed when dealing with the security needs of a free State, unlike the unorganized militia.

Where does it say that? Go ahead and quote it.

 

[danielpalos]

The discipline prescribed by Congress must address wellness of regulation for the Militia of the United States.

I thought you just said "Wellness of Regulation" and discipline are the same thing?

Are you admitting that I am right?

NOWHERE does it say that the discipline prescribed must address "wellness of regulation."

irrelevant; where else would the militia of the United State get their wellness of regulation from, if not from the discipline prescribed?

And you keep ignoring the meaning of "Well Regulated" as it was in use at the time.

Discipline is regulation.

 

[danielpalos]

irrelevant; where else would the militia of the United State get their wellness of

The fallacy of circular argument.

it says where, in Article 1, Section 8.