Maybe the Republicans ought to dump trump?

[BS Filter]

Remembering the fact that it is Settled Law that the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional, what changes in the ACA will the D's propose to reform the thing?

I see the ACA as a sinking ship right now, and is irreformable. I'd love to see the Dems quit this impeachment bullshit and instead propose a SERIOUS replacement for the ACA or reform, that can actually be passed in the Senate and signed by President Donald j. Trump.

The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Right. Trump has a higher approval rating than Obama did at this point. A roaring economy. No major wars going on. An unemployment rate that hasn't been this low in 50 years (1969). Wages experiencing their biggest hike in over 10 years. Record low black and Hispanic unemployment. Etc., etc. etc. Yeah, of course Republicans should dump Trump!

The difference is, in 1969, only the full time jobs were counted in that count. Only males were counted in that count. Only jobs that provided more than 35 hours a week employment were counted. And there WAS a raging war going on and those people fighting it weren't in that count. I remember 1969 well. Jobs were all over the place. The Draft took many of the workforce that would be counted out of the system. I should know, it removed me that year. I went from a very secure well paying job to a whopping 50 bucks a month Military Job without my consent. In reality, that condition ended in late 1970. Yes, the draft went on until 1973 but from 1971 to 1973, most were not taken like before. Now you had those people on the job markets once again. The numbers went up after 1970.

I got my hands on a study by AT&T in 2002 about the job market. 2002 was a pretty good year, one would think. When you took the figures the way it's figured today, it came out as about a 10% unemployment rate. The study broke it down. It separated the full time from the part time. When added the part time with the unemployed you came up with a whopping 25.4% rate. That's worse than the 24% rate during the worst of the Great Depression. From what I can see about the job market today where we have lost some Full Time jobs to Part Time, it should be still about the same.

Then you ask why we are not in a deep depression? We are lied to and enough people like you buy into it that it prevents panic. And the ONLY differences between recessions, down turns and depressions is panic.

They use a different count these days. They count ALL jobs, even part time, as employed. They count males and females as well. The job counts that you are using are artificial and are easily manipulated and often are. So don't use the 1969 and back figures as comparison. They were arrived at a completely different equation.

Do I believe that the economy is doing better? No. Minimum wage gets an increase of say 10 percent or more to make up for the cost of living hikes. The problem is, the new cost of living goes up that and more leaving those that are just above minimum wage poorer. Meanwhile, the Middle Class Jobs are getting less in pay. The Middle Class is screwed.

I had to replace my keyboard and mouse last night. That 49.95 keyboard ended up costing me 59 bucks. My electrics and gas went up. The Gas at the pumps went up. I am going to have to buy some clothes and you can bet those went up as well. Of course that 2.3% cost of living increase I received was to compensate for that but the real increases of COL went up many times that. Oh, did I mention my rent went up 50 bucks a month as well? And that 2.3% increase in my check bumped me up a tax bracket and I paid more taxes per dollar than the year before. Sorry, Dude but I have to invoke your name on this one, it's a real BOHICA.

We are so used to being lied to that many actually believe the lie. And, cupcake, it's just not the Republicans spreading that lie, it's both sides depending on who is telling the story. The only difference is, Trump is just better at telling that story than the others.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Remembering the fact that it is Settled Law that the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional, what changes in the ACA will the D's propose to reform the thing?

I see the ACA as a sinking ship right now, and is irreformable. I'd love to see the Dems quit this impeachment bullshit and instead propose a SERIOUS replacement for the ACA or reform, that can actually be passed in the Senate and signed by President Donald j. Trump.

The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

 

[BS Filter]

Remembering the fact that it is Settled Law that the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional, what changes in the ACA will the D's propose to reform the thing?

I see the ACA as a sinking ship right now, and is irreformable. I'd love to see the Dems quit this impeachment bullshit and instead propose a SERIOUS replacement for the ACA or reform, that can actually be passed in the Senate and signed by President Donald j. Trump.

The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

That's a lie. Republicans tried to include some measures into it and were rebuffed. I followed the entire thing from start to finish. If some Republican ideas would have been included, it would have received some Republican votes. How many did it get? Liar.

 

[jc456]

 

[Polishprince]

Remembering the fact that it is Settled Law that the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional, what changes in the ACA will the D's propose to reform the thing?

I see the ACA as a sinking ship right now, and is irreformable. I'd love to see the Dems quit this impeachment bullshit and instead propose a SERIOUS replacement for the ACA or reform, that can actually be passed in the Senate and signed by President Donald j. Trump.

The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

I haven't heard of a single SERIOUS Democrat idea to work on the ACA and make it work. I heard some crazy stuff which is even more extreme that the ACA as written. But nothing at all to improve health care, reduce costs, allow people to keep their doctors (if they like it) or to build hospitals in Deplorable states. Instead, what I saw instead was a system where taxpayers from Red States like Mississippi subsidizing rich Californians and New Yorkers riding their limousines and getting expanded Medicaid programs courtesy of taxpaying Mississippi sharecroppers and Walmart associates.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Integrity is my middle name and find me a gracious loser like you are ,and you'll find a loser

Wrong. A gracious loser accepts the results, congratulates the winner, and then works with the winner to create a better America. You democrats are scum. Republicans tried to work with democrats when Obama was President and they were told to shut up and sit down.

Horse Pucky.

Truth. Democrats rejected everything Republicans suggested for Obamacare. That's why there were 0 Republican votes for it in the House and Senate. The Democrats knew they had the votes without Republicans so they didn't have to work with Republicans. Truth.

Again, Horse Pucky. The premise all along has been the complete failure of the ACA. We all know it needs to be fixed (Yes, Dorathy, we know it's not done) and it could have been fixed. But instead of fixing it, you people have decided to just dump it with nothing to replace it. Well, there is that promise of, "Elect of Re-Elect me and we will have it done by next year". That worked once, maybe twice. It's not working anymore. The General Public trusts the Dems far more than the Reps on Health Care. The genie is out of the bottle. And you can stop with the "Next Year" crap. You next yeared yourself to death in 2016. That's a huge hotspot issue for the Dems this time around and unless you can get something at least presented real fast, it's going to be a real bear in your court. A very well armed Bear that is Pissed off. Yes, the right to arm bears shall not be infringed.

Actually, the Left is now talking about dumping the ACA and not fixing the dam thing at all too.

They want a "Medicare for All" Atrocity which would permanently destroy healthcare in America and comes with a price tag of $90 Trillion.

The Democrats are the ones who fouled up the entire medical system with the ACA, yet they refused to work at all on a real repair of it.

BTW, President Trump did have an idea, tremendous healthcare which would be lower priced and higher quality. No D's voted for it, and McCain stabbed the country in the back after promising to back it.

Ooh,let's change the subject. Okay. Medicare for all will do the same thing but it's one hell of a lot less messier. Your bunch has fouled up ACA so bad, there is probably no way to salvage it. So you end up with what you feared the most, Medicare for All. Are you aware that my Medicare costs me a135 bucks a month whether I use it or not? Yes, Dorathy, I pay a premium. The amount is dependent on your income. And almost EVERY babyboomer is on it now. Meaning, the largest group of Americans are already on it. Then, let's not forget that it only pays 80% on the average for services. The remainder has to come out of someone's pocket (for me, it's my pocket). And that pocket is the Social Security Pay I receive each month that is NOT an entitlement since I payed into ti for over 50 years and still do and that's MY money. And in order to afford health care even with Medicare, I have to have a supplemental policy.

Your figures do not take everything to account. It's like the Employment Rate Counts. You don't take into account the money was have to spend even when we are on it for the health care or the premiums we have to pay to have it. Would I like to drop Medicare part B which is what charges the Premium? You betcha. But if I do that, I have trouble getting suppliment. And any long care would have to come out of my pocket meaning complete financial ruin and even that won't be enough. So I pay the Medicare Premium regardless and you don't figure that into the equation. What you are repeating is the Insurance Company Lobbyists diatribe.

That being said, the largest group of Americans are already ON Medicare for All. And we are paying our way. Again, you aren't factoring in that.

 

[Polishprince]

Wrong. A gracious loser accepts the results, congratulates the winner, and then works with the winner to create a better America. You democrats are scum. Republicans tried to work with democrats when Obama was President and they were told to shut up and sit down.

Horse Pucky.

Truth. Democrats rejected everything Republicans suggested for Obamacare. That's why there were 0 Republican votes for it in the House and Senate. The Democrats knew they had the votes without Republicans so they didn't have to work with Republicans. Truth.

Again, Horse Pucky. The premise all along has been the complete failure of the ACA. We all know it needs to be fixed (Yes, Dorathy, we know it's not done) and it could have been fixed. But instead of fixing it, you people have decided to just dump it with nothing to replace it. Well, there is that promise of, "Elect of Re-Elect me and we will have it done by next year". That worked once, maybe twice. It's not working anymore. The General Public trusts the Dems far more than the Reps on Health Care. The genie is out of the bottle. And you can stop with the "Next Year" crap. You next yeared yourself to death in 2016. That's a huge hotspot issue for the Dems this time around and unless you can get something at least presented real fast, it's going to be a real bear in your court. A very well armed Bear that is Pissed off. Yes, the right to arm bears shall not be infringed.

Actually, the Left is now talking about dumping the ACA and not fixing the dam thing at all too.

They want a "Medicare for All" Atrocity which would permanently destroy healthcare in America and comes with a price tag of $90 Trillion.

The Democrats are the ones who fouled up the entire medical system with the ACA, yet they refused to work at all on a real repair of it.

BTW, President Trump did have an idea, tremendous healthcare which would be lower priced and higher quality. No D's voted for it, and McCain stabbed the country in the back after promising to back it.

Ooh,let's change the subject. Okay. Medicare for all will do the same thing but it's one hell of a lot less messier. Your bunch has fouled up ACA so bad, there is probably no way to salvage it. So you end up with what you feared the most, Medicare for All. Are you aware that my Medicare costs me a135 bucks a month whether I use it or not? Yes, Dorathy, I pay a premium. The amount is dependent on your income. And almost EVERY babyboomer is on it now. Meaning, the largest group of Americans are already on it. Then, let's not forget that it only pays 80% on the average for services. The remainder has to come out of someone's pocket (for me, it's my pocket). And that pocket is the Social Security Pay I receive each month that is NOT an entitlement since I payed into ti for over 50 years and still do and that's MY money. And in order to afford health care even with Medicare, I have to have a supplemental policy.

Your figures do not take everything to account. It's like the Employment Rate Counts. You don't take into account the money was have to spend even when we are on it for the health care or the premiums we have to pay to have it. Would I like to drop Medicare part B which is what charges the Premium? You betcha. But if I do that, I have trouble getting suppliment. And any long care would have to come out of my pocket meaning complete financial ruin and even that won't be enough. So I pay the Medicare Premium regardless and you don't figure that into the equation. What you are repeating is the Insurance Company Lobbyists diatribe.

That being said, the largest group of Americans are already ON Medicare for All. And we are paying our way. Again, you aren't factoring in that.

I don't see how the Republicans have folded up the ACA at all. They have basically kept it as is. since its inception.

 

[BS Filter]

Wrong. A gracious loser accepts the results, congratulates the winner, and then works with the winner to create a better America. You democrats are scum. Republicans tried to work with democrats when Obama was President and they were told to shut up and sit down.

Horse Pucky.

Truth. Democrats rejected everything Republicans suggested for Obamacare. That's why there were 0 Republican votes for it in the House and Senate. The Democrats knew they had the votes without Republicans so they didn't have to work with Republicans. Truth.

Again, Horse Pucky. The premise all along has been the complete failure of the ACA. We all know it needs to be fixed (Yes, Dorathy, we know it's not done) and it could have been fixed. But instead of fixing it, you people have decided to just dump it with nothing to replace it. Well, there is that promise of, "Elect of Re-Elect me and we will have it done by next year". That worked once, maybe twice. It's not working anymore. The General Public trusts the Dems far more than the Reps on Health Care. The genie is out of the bottle. And you can stop with the "Next Year" crap. You next yeared yourself to death in 2016. That's a huge hotspot issue for the Dems this time around and unless you can get something at least presented real fast, it's going to be a real bear in your court. A very well armed Bear that is Pissed off. Yes, the right to arm bears shall not be infringed.

Actually, the Left is now talking about dumping the ACA and not fixing the dam thing at all too.

They want a "Medicare for All" Atrocity which would permanently destroy healthcare in America and comes with a price tag of $90 Trillion.

The Democrats are the ones who fouled up the entire medical system with the ACA, yet they refused to work at all on a real repair of it.

BTW, President Trump did have an idea, tremendous healthcare which would be lower priced and higher quality. No D's voted for it, and McCain stabbed the country in the back after promising to back it.

Ooh,let's change the subject. Okay. Medicare for all will do the same thing but it's one hell of a lot less messier. Your bunch has fouled up ACA so bad, there is probably no way to salvage it. So you end up with what you feared the most, Medicare for All. Are you aware that my Medicare costs me a135 bucks a month whether I use it or not? Yes, Dorathy, I pay a premium. The amount is dependent on your income. And almost EVERY babyboomer is on it now. Meaning, the largest group of Americans are already on it. Then, let's not forget that it only pays 80% on the average for services. The remainder has to come out of someone's pocket (for me, it's my pocket). And that pocket is the Social Security Pay I receive each month that is NOT an entitlement since I payed into ti for over 50 years and still do and that's MY money. And in order to afford health care even with Medicare, I have to have a supplemental policy.

Your figures do not take everything to account. It's like the Employment Rate Counts. You don't take into account the money was have to spend even when we are on it for the health care or the premiums we have to pay to have it. Would I like to drop Medicare part B which is what charges the Premium? You betcha. But if I do that, I have trouble getting suppliment. And any long care would have to come out of my pocket meaning complete financial ruin and even that won't be enough. So I pay the Medicare Premium regardless and you don't figure that into the equation. What you are repeating is the Insurance Company Lobbyists diatribe.

That being said, the largest group of Americans are already ON Medicare for All. And we are paying our way. Again, you aren't factoring in that.

Bullshit. It wasn't Republicans that muffed away half a billion on a nonfunctioning web site. Do you remember when Obamacare rolled out in October of 2013? Do you remember all the craziness because the web site didn't work? Democrats built that.

 

[Oddball]

Nice copypasta....You still don't give a fuck about the Constitution and I know it.

You are wrong Dead wrong

No I'm not....You're a progressive, so it follows that the Constitution is an impediment to getting the Marxist paradise that you want...You're current cowering behind it is a matter of convenience is as cynical and disingenuous as you can get.

You're not fooling me...Just grow the fuck up.

If being a progressive means wanting folks to have a better life if it means not liking the lies and bullshit coming from republicans I plead guilty FYI I call myself a Dem Was a republican all my life until 2000 GWB was my last repub vote

Being a progressive means that you believe the Constitution to be an outmoded relic, and you want to subvert it......The "want folks to have a better life" crap is just a flimsy and disingenuous cover story...You hate the document and its constraints upon The State, I know it.

That outdated document you refer to is the only reason that Trump has not taken over the entire United States. The Constitution of the United States has done it's job admirably. Outside it working to keep it current (this hasn't been done in a very long time) it stands and as long as we follow it, tyrants can't overthrow our Country. And Trump tries over and over. He pushes against the envelope to see just how far he can go. And don't say he doesn't because that's in Trumps nature and always has been. To say that anyone that doesn't support Trump doesn't support the Constitution of the United States is just wrong. But if you blindly follow Trump you are not supporting the Constitution AND you are definitely NOT a Constitutionalist by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Remembering the fact that it is Settled Law that the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional, what changes in the ACA will the D's propose to reform the thing?

I see the ACA as a sinking ship right now, and is irreformable. I'd love to see the Dems quit this impeachment bullshit and instead propose a SERIOUS replacement for the ACA or reform, that can actually be passed in the Senate and signed by President Donald j. Trump.

The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

That's a lie. Republicans tried to include some measures into it and were rebuffed. I followed the entire thing from start to finish. If some Republican ideas would have been included, it would have received some Republican votes. How many did it get? Liar.

How about listen those ideas so the rest of us can research them. Just saying that they existed doesn't make them believable when all the other things are considered in.

 

[BS Filter]

Remembering the fact that it is Settled Law that the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional, what changes in the ACA will the D's propose to reform the thing?

I see the ACA as a sinking ship right now, and is irreformable. I'd love to see the Dems quit this impeachment bullshit and instead propose a SERIOUS replacement for the ACA or reform, that can actually be passed in the Senate and signed by President Donald j. Trump.

The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

That's a lie. Republicans tried to include some measures into it and were rebuffed. I followed the entire thing from start to finish. If some Republican ideas would have been included, it would have received some Republican votes. How many did it get? Liar.

How about listen those ideas so the rest of us can research them. Just saying that they existed doesn't make them believable when all the other things are considered in.

Let's start with buying health insurance out of state. What's your opinion on that?

 

[edward37]

Remembering the fact that it is Settled Law that the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional, what changes in the ACA will the D's propose to reform the thing?

I see the ACA as a sinking ship right now, and is irreformable. I'd love to see the Dems quit this impeachment bullshit and instead propose a SERIOUS replacement for the ACA or reform, that can actually be passed in the Senate and signed by President Donald j. Trump.

The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

That's a lie. Republicans tried to include some measures into it and were rebuffed. I followed the entire thing from start to finish. If some Republican ideas would have been included, it would have received some Republican votes. How many did it get? Liar.

How about listen those ideas so the rest of us can research them. Just saying that they existed doesn't make them believable when all the other things are considered in.

I think it's 100% BS Republicans wanted no part of HC

 

[edward37]

Remembering the fact that it is Settled Law that the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional, what changes in the ACA will the D's propose to reform the thing?

I see the ACA as a sinking ship right now, and is irreformable. I'd love to see the Dems quit this impeachment bullshit and instead propose a SERIOUS replacement for the ACA or reform, that can actually be passed in the Senate and signed by President Donald j. Trump.

The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

That's a lie. Republicans tried to include some measures into it and were rebuffed. I followed the entire thing from start to finish. If some Republican ideas would have been included, it would have received some Republican votes. How many did it get? Liar.

How about listen those ideas so the rest of us can research them. Just saying that they existed doesn't make them believable when all the other things are considered in.

Let's start with buying health insurance out of state. What's your opinion on that?

why not

 

[Polishprince]

Remembering the fact that it is Settled Law that the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional, what changes in the ACA will the D's propose to reform the thing?

I see the ACA as a sinking ship right now, and is irreformable. I'd love to see the Dems quit this impeachment bullshit and instead propose a SERIOUS replacement for the ACA or reform, that can actually be passed in the Senate and signed by President Donald j. Trump.

The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

That's a lie. Republicans tried to include some measures into it and were rebuffed. I followed the entire thing from start to finish. If some Republican ideas would have been included, it would have received some Republican votes. How many did it get? Liar.

How about listen those ideas so the rest of us can research them. Just saying that they existed doesn't make them believable when all the other things are considered in.

I think it's 100% BS Republicans wanted no part of HC

Absolutely not true, ed.


Trump Care which would have provided unbelievably tremendous care and saved the taxpayers billions was rejected unanimously by the D's , in spite of its excellence

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Horse Pucky.

Truth. Democrats rejected everything Republicans suggested for Obamacare. That's why there were 0 Republican votes for it in the House and Senate. The Democrats knew they had the votes without Republicans so they didn't have to work with Republicans. Truth.

Again, Horse Pucky. The premise all along has been the complete failure of the ACA. We all know it needs to be fixed (Yes, Dorathy, we know it's not done) and it could have been fixed. But instead of fixing it, you people have decided to just dump it with nothing to replace it. Well, there is that promise of, "Elect of Re-Elect me and we will have it done by next year". That worked once, maybe twice. It's not working anymore. The General Public trusts the Dems far more than the Reps on Health Care. The genie is out of the bottle. And you can stop with the "Next Year" crap. You next yeared yourself to death in 2016. That's a huge hotspot issue for the Dems this time around and unless you can get something at least presented real fast, it's going to be a real bear in your court. A very well armed Bear that is Pissed off. Yes, the right to arm bears shall not be infringed.

Actually, the Left is now talking about dumping the ACA and not fixing the dam thing at all too.

They want a "Medicare for All" Atrocity which would permanently destroy healthcare in America and comes with a price tag of $90 Trillion.

The Democrats are the ones who fouled up the entire medical system with the ACA, yet they refused to work at all on a real repair of it.

BTW, President Trump did have an idea, tremendous healthcare which would be lower priced and higher quality. No D's voted for it, and McCain stabbed the country in the back after promising to back it.

Ooh,let's change the subject. Okay. Medicare for all will do the same thing but it's one hell of a lot less messier. Your bunch has fouled up ACA so bad, there is probably no way to salvage it. So you end up with what you feared the most, Medicare for All. Are you aware that my Medicare costs me a135 bucks a month whether I use it or not? Yes, Dorathy, I pay a premium. The amount is dependent on your income. And almost EVERY babyboomer is on it now. Meaning, the largest group of Americans are already on it. Then, let's not forget that it only pays 80% on the average for services. The remainder has to come out of someone's pocket (for me, it's my pocket). And that pocket is the Social Security Pay I receive each month that is NOT an entitlement since I payed into ti for over 50 years and still do and that's MY money. And in order to afford health care even with Medicare, I have to have a supplemental policy.

Your figures do not take everything to account. It's like the Employment Rate Counts. You don't take into account the money was have to spend even when we are on it for the health care or the premiums we have to pay to have it. Would I like to drop Medicare part B which is what charges the Premium? You betcha. But if I do that, I have trouble getting suppliment. And any long care would have to come out of my pocket meaning complete financial ruin and even that won't be enough. So I pay the Medicare Premium regardless and you don't figure that into the equation. What you are repeating is the Insurance Company Lobbyists diatribe.

That being said, the largest group of Americans are already ON Medicare for All. And we are paying our way. Again, you aren't factoring in that.

I don't see how the Republicans have folded up the ACA at all. They have basically kept it as is. since its inception.

That's because the Supreme Court keeps ruling against almost all changes. The most recent is the change to the taxpayer having to pay the ACA premium. What's vicious about this is, the promise that the tax payer would not have to pay it and many didn't. Yet, last year, (affecting this year) many didn't pay it and they are shell shocked when hit with the 2018 fine for not paying. And it hit the poor much harder than the rich. I have a couple of friends that are on a Raumen Noodles diet for quite some time until that is paid. Remember, YOUR bunch was in charge in 2017. For 2019, that premium is not required. That, effectively, kills the ACA for long term. You are a mean bunch of vindictive bastards.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Horse Pucky.

Truth. Democrats rejected everything Republicans suggested for Obamacare. That's why there were 0 Republican votes for it in the House and Senate. The Democrats knew they had the votes without Republicans so they didn't have to work with Republicans. Truth.

Again, Horse Pucky. The premise all along has been the complete failure of the ACA. We all know it needs to be fixed (Yes, Dorathy, we know it's not done) and it could have been fixed. But instead of fixing it, you people have decided to just dump it with nothing to replace it. Well, there is that promise of, "Elect of Re-Elect me and we will have it done by next year". That worked once, maybe twice. It's not working anymore. The General Public trusts the Dems far more than the Reps on Health Care. The genie is out of the bottle. And you can stop with the "Next Year" crap. You next yeared yourself to death in 2016. That's a huge hotspot issue for the Dems this time around and unless you can get something at least presented real fast, it's going to be a real bear in your court. A very well armed Bear that is Pissed off. Yes, the right to arm bears shall not be infringed.

Actually, the Left is now talking about dumping the ACA and not fixing the dam thing at all too.

They want a "Medicare for All" Atrocity which would permanently destroy healthcare in America and comes with a price tag of $90 Trillion.

The Democrats are the ones who fouled up the entire medical system with the ACA, yet they refused to work at all on a real repair of it.

BTW, President Trump did have an idea, tremendous healthcare which would be lower priced and higher quality. No D's voted for it, and McCain stabbed the country in the back after promising to back it.

Ooh,let's change the subject. Okay. Medicare for all will do the same thing but it's one hell of a lot less messier. Your bunch has fouled up ACA so bad, there is probably no way to salvage it. So you end up with what you feared the most, Medicare for All. Are you aware that my Medicare costs me a135 bucks a month whether I use it or not? Yes, Dorathy, I pay a premium. The amount is dependent on your income. And almost EVERY babyboomer is on it now. Meaning, the largest group of Americans are already on it. Then, let's not forget that it only pays 80% on the average for services. The remainder has to come out of someone's pocket (for me, it's my pocket). And that pocket is the Social Security Pay I receive each month that is NOT an entitlement since I payed into ti for over 50 years and still do and that's MY money. And in order to afford health care even with Medicare, I have to have a supplemental policy.

Your figures do not take everything to account. It's like the Employment Rate Counts. You don't take into account the money was have to spend even when we are on it for the health care or the premiums we have to pay to have it. Would I like to drop Medicare part B which is what charges the Premium? You betcha. But if I do that, I have trouble getting suppliment. And any long care would have to come out of my pocket meaning complete financial ruin and even that won't be enough. So I pay the Medicare Premium regardless and you don't figure that into the equation. What you are repeating is the Insurance Company Lobbyists diatribe.

That being said, the largest group of Americans are already ON Medicare for All. And we are paying our way. Again, you aren't factoring in that.

Bullshit. It wasn't Republicans that muffed away half a billion on a nonfunctioning web site. Do you remember when Obamacare rolled out in October of 2013? Do you remember all the craziness because the web site didn't work? Democrats built that.

Yet, the one made by the States worked flawlessly. The ONLY ones affected by the Federal Website was the Americans in states that didn't do their own. And the idea from the very beginning was for the States to handle most of the administration. This is another case of YOU people screwing your own people and blaming someone else to hide the fact that you are a bunch of vindictive bastards.

 

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The Democrats keep telling the American people that Republicans need to fix Obamacare. Why does something need fixing if it isn't broken?

It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

That's a lie. Republicans tried to include some measures into it and were rebuffed. I followed the entire thing from start to finish. If some Republican ideas would have been included, it would have received some Republican votes. How many did it get? Liar.

How about listen those ideas so the rest of us can research them. Just saying that they existed doesn't make them believable when all the other things are considered in.

I think it's 100% BS Republicans wanted no part of HC

Absolutely not true, ed.


Trump Care which would have provided unbelievably tremendous care and saved the taxpayers billions was rejected unanimously by the D's , in spite of its excellence

It's been 6 years awaiting the replacement. Each time (Including Strumpcare) that it's been "Re-elect me and you can have it next year". Next year has come and gone a few times. Still no program has been presented. Promises become lies at a certain point. And this one has long since reached it's sell by date.

 

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Truth. Democrats rejected everything Republicans suggested for Obamacare. That's why there were 0 Republican votes for it in the House and Senate. The Democrats knew they had the votes without Republicans so they didn't have to work with Republicans. Truth.

Again, Horse Pucky. The premise all along has been the complete failure of the ACA. We all know it needs to be fixed (Yes, Dorathy, we know it's not done) and it could have been fixed. But instead of fixing it, you people have decided to just dump it with nothing to replace it. Well, there is that promise of, "Elect of Re-Elect me and we will have it done by next year". That worked once, maybe twice. It's not working anymore. The General Public trusts the Dems far more than the Reps on Health Care. The genie is out of the bottle. And you can stop with the "Next Year" crap. You next yeared yourself to death in 2016. That's a huge hotspot issue for the Dems this time around and unless you can get something at least presented real fast, it's going to be a real bear in your court. A very well armed Bear that is Pissed off. Yes, the right to arm bears shall not be infringed.

Actually, the Left is now talking about dumping the ACA and not fixing the dam thing at all too.

They want a "Medicare for All" Atrocity which would permanently destroy healthcare in America and comes with a price tag of $90 Trillion.

The Democrats are the ones who fouled up the entire medical system with the ACA, yet they refused to work at all on a real repair of it.

BTW, President Trump did have an idea, tremendous healthcare which would be lower priced and higher quality. No D's voted for it, and McCain stabbed the country in the back after promising to back it.

Ooh,let's change the subject. Okay. Medicare for all will do the same thing but it's one hell of a lot less messier. Your bunch has fouled up ACA so bad, there is probably no way to salvage it. So you end up with what you feared the most, Medicare for All. Are you aware that my Medicare costs me a135 bucks a month whether I use it or not? Yes, Dorathy, I pay a premium. The amount is dependent on your income. And almost EVERY babyboomer is on it now. Meaning, the largest group of Americans are already on it. Then, let's not forget that it only pays 80% on the average for services. The remainder has to come out of someone's pocket (for me, it's my pocket). And that pocket is the Social Security Pay I receive each month that is NOT an entitlement since I payed into ti for over 50 years and still do and that's MY money. And in order to afford health care even with Medicare, I have to have a supplemental policy.

Your figures do not take everything to account. It's like the Employment Rate Counts. You don't take into account the money was have to spend even when we are on it for the health care or the premiums we have to pay to have it. Would I like to drop Medicare part B which is what charges the Premium? You betcha. But if I do that, I have trouble getting suppliment. And any long care would have to come out of my pocket meaning complete financial ruin and even that won't be enough. So I pay the Medicare Premium regardless and you don't figure that into the equation. What you are repeating is the Insurance Company Lobbyists diatribe.

That being said, the largest group of Americans are already ON Medicare for All. And we are paying our way. Again, you aren't factoring in that.

Bullshit. It wasn't Republicans that muffed away half a billion on a nonfunctioning web site. Do you remember when Obamacare rolled out in October of 2013? Do you remember all the craziness because the web site didn't work? Democrats built that.

Yet, the one made by the States worked flawlessly. The ONLY ones affected by the Federal Website was the Americans in states that didn't do their own. And the idea from the very beginning was for the States to handle most of the administration. This is another case of YOU people screwing your own people and blaming someone else to hide the fact that you are a bunch of vindictive bastards.

That's hilarious. Classic Democrat blaming someone else for their mess.

 

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It was never "Fixed". It was supposed to be worked on and made to work. Everyone was supposed to work on it. Instead, it became the leading issue of "Let's make sure He's a one term President" and was never addressed properly. Okay, now it's really broke and the Supreme Court won't allow it to be done away with without a replacement. You broke it, now you fix it. If you can't, get out of the way for those that can. And don't try the old "Re-elect Me and I can do it" routine. The sell by date on that went bad right after 2016.

That's a lie. Republicans tried to include some measures into it and were rebuffed. I followed the entire thing from start to finish. If some Republican ideas would have been included, it would have received some Republican votes. How many did it get? Liar.

How about listen those ideas so the rest of us can research them. Just saying that they existed doesn't make them believable when all the other things are considered in.

I think it's 100% BS Republicans wanted no part of HC

Absolutely not true, ed.


Trump Care which would have provided unbelievably tremendous care and saved the taxpayers billions was rejected unanimously by the D's , in spite of its excellence

It's been 6 years awaiting the replacement. Each time (Including Strumpcare) that it's been "Re-elect me and you can have it next year". Next year has come and gone a few times. Still no program has been presented. Promises become lies at a certain point. And this one has long since reached it's sell by date.

The American people that work and buy their own health insurance were better off before Obamacare.