Minnesota Governor Signs Same-Sex Marriage Bill Into Law

[rightwinger]

Again, according to some judge. If it isnt in the constitution, it is up to the legislature. If a legislature wants to allow it, Im all for it. if some judge tries to impose it on flimsy grounds, I am against it.

Once again....equal protection is in the Constitution.

and yes "some judge" will make the determination...that is what judges do

Judges should not have that much power. they are the most undemocratic branch of our entire system. I find it interesting that progressives love our courts to do the work they know they can't get done via popular vote. I guess it appeals to thier autocratic nature.

Judges should interpret the consitution and laws. not make crap up because it suits some agenda of thiers.

You should not be allowed to vote on what rights others are allowed to have

 

[martybegan]

Once again....equal protection is in the Constitution.

and yes "some judge" will make the determination...that is what judges do

Judges should not have that much power. they are the most undemocratic branch of our entire system. I find it interesting that progressives love our courts to do the work they know they can't get done via popular vote. I guess it appeals to thier autocratic nature.

Judges should interpret the consitution and laws. not make crap up because it suits some agenda of thiers.

You should not be allowed to vote on what rights others are allowed to have

At the time the consitution was founded, the states voted on what rights would be included in the Bill of Rights. The states voted on all the amendments that created various rights.

And we are not voting on rights, we are voting on what rights are recognized by the government AS rights. (which should be handled by amendment).

When you allow same sex marriage by way of legislation you are not creating a right. you are allowing a contracts definition to be expanded, nothing more.

 

[rightwinger]

Judges should not have that much power. they are the most undemocratic branch of our entire system. I find it interesting that progressives love our courts to do the work they know they can't get done via popular vote. I guess it appeals to thier autocratic nature.

Judges should interpret the consitution and laws. not make crap up because it suits some agenda of thiers.

You should not be allowed to vote on what rights others are allowed to have

At the time the consitution was founded, the states voted on what rights would be included in the Bill of Rights. The states voted on all the amendments that created various rights.

And we are not voting on rights, we are voting on what rights are recognized by the government AS rights. (which should be handled by amendment).

When you allow same sex marriage by way of legislation you are not creating a right. you are allowing a contracts definition to be expanded, nothing more.

You have non-homosexuals voting on what rights homosexuals are allowed to have.


"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for supper"

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Judges should not have that much power. they are the most undemocratic branch of our entire system. I find it interesting that progressives love our courts to do the work they know they can't get done via popular vote. I guess it appeals to thier autocratic nature.

Judges should interpret the consitution and laws. not make crap up because it suits some agenda of thiers.

You should not be allowed to vote on what rights others are allowed to have

At the time the consitution was founded, the states voted on what rights would be included in the Bill of Rights. The states voted on all the amendments that created various rights.

And we are not voting on rights, we are voting on what rights are recognized by the government AS rights. (which should be handled by amendment).

When you allow same sex marriage by way of legislation you are not creating a right. you are allowing a contracts definition to be expanded, nothing more.

And that you cannot do, that is offensive to the 14th Amendment.

One’s rights are not predicated on majority rule.

Homosexuals have always had the inalienable, fundamental right to marry, and the inalienable, fundamental right to equal protection of the law.

The failure, the aberration, lies with the states and other jurisdictions which refuse the acknowledge those inalienable, fundamental rights.

No ‘new’ rights are being ‘invented,’ judges are not ‘making anything up.’

Same-sex couples’ right to access marriage law is based upon accepted and settled Equal Protection Clause jurisprudence.

 

[lukelk]

Also gay bashing is just like laws cons wanted in the Jim Crowe south where white could not merry blacks

 

[Katzndogz]

In many parts of the US not just the south, blacks can marry whites but they have to make massive adjustments to deal with the repurcussions.

It will be ten times worse with same sex couples. What many of them want is acceptance. What they will get is rejection and rebellion. The families who threw gay members out isn't going to welcome them if they are married. This has many many decades to go before gays finally lose again.

 

[rightwinger]

In many parts of the US not just the south, blacks can marry whites but they have to make massive adjustments to deal with the repurcussions.

It will be ten times worse with same sex couples. What many of them want is acceptance. What they will get is rejection and rebellion. The families who threw gay members out isn't going to welcome them if they are married. This has many many decades to go before gays finally lose again.

Gays have been hated for hundreds of years. They are accustomed to it

You just can't force society to accept your hatred in making its laws. Gays are being increasingly accepted in our society. Your hatred is not

 

[Katzndogz]

In many parts of the US not just the south, blacks can marry whites but they have to make massive adjustments to deal with the repurcussions.

It will be ten times worse with same sex couples. What many of them want is acceptance. What they will get is rejection and rebellion. The families who threw gay members out isn't going to welcome them if they are married. This has many many decades to go before gays finally lose again.

Gays have been hated for hundredds of years. They are accustomed to it

You just can't force society to accept your hatred in making its laws. Gays are being increasingly accepted in our society. Your hatred is not

I see that gays are being accepted. It's not like businesses are refusing to do business with them or anything like that. It's not like gays aren't being attacked all over the world. You just have a different definition of acceptance than the rest of us.

 

[Seawytch]

This is why marriage equality is so important and a perfect example of how laws are not being equally applied.

Judge says lesbian mom’s partner must go

 

[Jroc]

In many parts of the US not just the south, blacks can marry whites but they have to make massive adjustments to deal with the repurcussions.

It will be ten times worse with same sex couples. What many of them want is acceptance. What they will get is rejection and rebellion. The families who threw gay members out isn't going to welcome them if they are married. This has many many decades to go before gays finally lose again.

Gays have been hated for hundreds of years. They are accustomed to it

You just can't force society to accept your hatred in making its laws. Gays are being increasingly accepted in our society. Your hatred is not

Bullshit.. Gay people were accepted fine in ancient Greece, Rome and plenty of societies throughout history as they are accepted here. Most people don't dislike gay people. all most of us want is to keep marriage what it always has been; a union of a man and a women that's it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Bullshit.. Gay people were accepted fine in ancient Greece, Rome and plenty of societies throughout history as they are accepted here. Most people don't dislike gay people. all most of us want is to keep marriage what it always has been; a union of a man and a women that's it.

I don't see how gays marrying is any threat to the unions between a man and a woman.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

In many parts of the US not just the south, blacks can marry whites but they have to make massive adjustments to deal with the repurcussions.

It will be ten times worse with same sex couples. What many of them want is acceptance. What they will get is rejection and rebellion. The families who threw gay members out isn't going to welcome them if they are married. This has many many decades to go before gays finally lose again.

Gays have been hated for hundreds of years. They are accustomed to it

You just can't force society to accept your hatred in making its laws. Gays are being increasingly accepted in our society. Your hatred is not

Bullshit.. Gay people were accepted fine in ancient Greece, Rome and plenty of societies throughout history as they are accepted here. Most people don't dislike gay people. all most of us want is to keep marriage what it always has been; a union of a man and a women that's it.

That something ‘has always been’ or perceived to be ‘traditional’ is Constitutionally and legally irrelevant:

[T]he fact that the governing majority in a State has traditionally viewed a particular practice as immoral is not a sufficient reason for upholding a law prohibiting the practice; neither history nor tradition could save a law prohibiting miscegenation from constitutional attack.

LAWRENCE V. TEXAS

 

[Seawytch]

In many parts of the US not just the south, blacks can marry whites but they have to make massive adjustments to deal with the repurcussions.

It will be ten times worse with same sex couples. What many of them want is acceptance. What they will get is rejection and rebellion. The families who threw gay members out isn't going to welcome them if they are married. This has many many decades to go before gays finally lose again.

Gays have been hated for hundreds of years. They are accustomed to it

You just can't force society to accept your hatred in making its laws. Gays are being increasingly accepted in our society. Your hatred is not

Bullshit.. Gay people were accepted fine in ancient Greece, Rome and plenty of societies throughout history as they are accepted here. Most people don't dislike gay people. all most of us want is to keep marriage what it always has been; a union of a man and a women that's it.

In 1967 people wanted to keep marriage "the way it had always been" with whites only marrying whites and blacks only marrying blacks. They lost too.

 

[Katzndogz]

In many parts of the US not just the south, blacks can marry whites but they have to make massive adjustments to deal with the repurcussions.

It will be ten times worse with same sex couples. What many of them want is acceptance. What they will get is rejection and rebellion. The families who threw gay members out isn't going to welcome them if they are married. This has many many decades to go before gays finally lose again.

Gays have been hated for hundreds of years. They are accustomed to it

You just can't force society to accept your hatred in making its laws. Gays are being increasingly accepted in our society. Your hatred is not

No, gays haven't been hated for hundreds of years. At various times many other civilizations have accepted homosexuality as normal behavior. They just didn't last long after they did and were always replaced by a civilization that didn't. Homosexuality as normal behavior was never a value that was passed on as being accepted as normal.

 

[Katzndogz]

Gays have been hated for hundreds of years. They are accustomed to it

You just can't force society to accept your hatred in making its laws. Gays are being increasingly accepted in our society. Your hatred is not

Bullshit.. Gay people were accepted fine in ancient Greece, Rome and plenty of societies throughout history as they are accepted here. Most people don't dislike gay people. all most of us want is to keep marriage what it always has been; a union of a man and a women that's it.

In 1967 people wanted to keep marriage "the way it had always been" with whites only marrying whites and blacks only marrying blacks. They lost too.

Still it was men marrying women. Marriage elasticity did not extend so far as to permit marriage where men did not marry women. Marriage elasticity is to bring about marriage extinction.

 

[Seawytch]

Bullshit.. Gay people were accepted fine in ancient Greece, Rome and plenty of societies throughout history as they are accepted here. Most people don't dislike gay people. all most of us want is to keep marriage what it always has been; a union of a man and a women that's it.

In 1967 people wanted to keep marriage "the way it had always been" with whites only marrying whites and blacks only marrying blacks. They lost too.

Still it was men marrying women. Marriage elasticity did not extend so far as to permit marriage where men did not marry women. Marriage elasticity is to bring about marriage extinction.

How is that relevant to the "tradition" argument JROC is attempting to use? That something has been done "traditionally" is not a valid reason to deny equal protections. "Tradition" did not save anti miscegenation laws from being struck down and it won't stop anti marriage equality bills from being struck down. Voting was "traditionally" only done by land owning white men...until it wasn't.

So your contention is that more people getting married will "end" marriage?

Yeah, go with that one please.

 

[Katzndogz]

In 1967 people wanted to keep marriage "the way it had always been" with whites only marrying whites and blacks only marrying blacks. They lost too.

Still it was men marrying women. Marriage elasticity did not extend so far as to permit marriage where men did not marry women. Marriage elasticity is to bring about marriage extinction.

How is that relevant to the "tradition" argument JROC is attempting to use? That something has been done "traditionally" is not a valid reason to deny equal protections. "Tradition" did not save anti miscegenation laws from being struck down and it won't stop anti marriage equality bills from being struck down. Voting was "traditionally" only done by land owning white men...until it wasn't.

So your contention is that more people getting married will "end" marriage?

Yeah, go with that one please.

It will as soon as marriage becomes elastic enough to encompass communal marriage and interspecies marriage. It's never gone that far because the civilization that normalized homosexual relationships has always collapsed and been replaced by one that didn't.

 

[Seawytch]

Still it was men marrying women. Marriage elasticity did not extend so far as to permit marriage where men did not marry women. Marriage elasticity is to bring about marriage extinction.

How is that relevant to the "tradition" argument JROC is attempting to use? That something has been done "traditionally" is not a valid reason to deny equal protections. "Tradition" did not save anti miscegenation laws from being struck down and it won't stop anti marriage equality bills from being struck down. Voting was "traditionally" only done by land owning white men...until it wasn't.

So your contention is that more people getting married will "end" marriage?

Yeah, go with that one please.

It will as soon as marriage becomes elastic enough to encompass communal marriage and interspecies marriage. It's never gone that far because the civilization that normalized homosexual relationships has always collapsed and been replaced by one that didn't.

Katz, thank you so much for holding the position you do.

When ya'll do the "aaaahhh, people will marry their dogs" rants...it pushes marriage equality along even faster.

How miserable you must feel all the time since you actually believe we are going to collapse as a civilization if my family has the same legal protections as yours.

 

[Katzndogz]

It is a reason for feeling miserable. This nation was once great, it is not a source of joy to watch it march down the same path as every other failure.

The fall of civilizations have many causes. Acceptance of the normalcy of homosexual relationships isn't a cause. It is a symptom of a culture already far along in decay. Had marriage not already been denigrated by broken homes, the ease of divorce and serial polyamory there would never be a discussion of same sex marriage. In the days of strong families the subject would never come up.

From observation of nations further along the downward spiral than we are, the former dominant and elastic culture is already being replaced by islam. A culture notoriously anti homosexual. This is the likely path we will follow too. It's working everywhere else.

 

[Seawytch]

It is a reason for feeling miserable. This nation was once great, it is not a source of joy to watch it march down the same path as every other failure.

The fall of civilizations have many causes. Acceptance of the normalcy of homosexual relationships isn't a cause. It is a symptom of a culture already far along in decay. Had marriage not already been denigrated by broken homes, the ease of divorce and serial polyamory there would never be a discussion of same sex marriage. In the days of strong families the subject would never come up.

From observation of nations further along the downward spiral than we are, the former dominant and elastic culture is already being replaced by islam. A culture notoriously anti homosexual. This is the likely path we will follow too. It's working everywhere else.

Yup...divorce bad. Broken homes bad. Promiscuity bad. Me wanting my partner of 17 years to be protected in the event of my untimely demise...not bad. Cheer up...we want to GET married. Take that as a victory that we want to create a "stable bond between two individuals who work to create a loving household and a social and economic partnership."