Mobile Alabama Removes Statue of Confederate Without Notice

[Hutch Starskey]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Great. So we should commemorate rebels and outlaws with memorials and statues?

A distinction without a difference.

A big difference. THey thought their actions were legal and justified.


You seem to believe their actions were legal also, with your claim that they were not Americans.


If they were, as you seem to believe, citizens of a sovereign nation, the Confederacy, fighting to defend that nation from invasion, is a pretty normal reason for people to be, " commemorated ... with memorials and statues".


And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

The type of people who have a moral objection to commemorating self avowed white supremacists.

Why in the fuck would you support doing so?

Dude. I'm not the one arguing that the secession was legal, that is you making that claim.


Do you think Lincoln's stated rational, ie "the more perfect union" was a sincere but mistaken belief, or do you think he "lied us into a war"?

I think you're defending the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists. Why would you do such a thing?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

No doubt you do.

 

[Correll]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Great. So we should commemorate rebels and outlaws with memorials and statues?

A distinction without a difference.

A big difference. THey thought their actions were legal and justified.


You seem to believe their actions were legal also, with your claim that they were not Americans.


If they were, as you seem to believe, citizens of a sovereign nation, the Confederacy, fighting to defend that nation from invasion, is a pretty normal reason for people to be, " commemorated ... with memorials and statues".


And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

The type of people who have a moral objection to commemorating self avowed white supremacists.

Why in the fuck would you support doing so?

Dude. I'm not the one arguing that the secession was legal, that is you making that claim.


Do you think Lincoln's stated rational, ie "the more perfect union" was a sincere but mistaken belief, or do you think he "lied us into a war"?

I think you're defending the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists. Why would you do such a thing?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

No doubt you do.

i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion.


Which is the way that they, and you see it. As you have stated.


Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

Wait. I do know this. It is because you know that you are in the wrong, but you are too much of an asshole to admit it.

 

[NotYourBody]

I applaud the mayor of Mobile for removing this statue.

He is right, removing it doesn't change history.

Personally I don't see how anyone can think people who waged war against the United States of America causing the deaths of over 600 thousand Americans are good people.

I don't think that any statues of those people should be erected anywhere in our nation.

Alabama city removes Confederate statue without notice

MOBILE, Ala. (AP) — Alabama's port city removed a statue of a Confederate naval officer early Friday after days of protests over the police killing of George Floyd, with the

www.omaha.com

Of course things like this are done in the dark, and applauded by gutless hacks such as yourself.

Yeah, much better to do it during the day so you can piss off a bunch of inbred, toothless mouth breathers.

Better yet, let the people do it...

A bunch of immature assholes, nothing more.

i agree. The people that want to keep these statues in place are immature assholes. Well said.

Yeah, go with that you dried up old twat.

I will, thank you...not that I needed your permission to agree with you that people who want to keep these monuments to slave owners in place are immature assholes.

The "i know you are but what am I" tactic, the primordial ooze of debate tactics.

Says the guy with nothing but lame ad hominems

Why do you have a problem with removing statues of traitors and slave owners?

Because it won't stop there. Because it focuses on only one part of a person's impact on history, and the placement of many of the statues was part of the compact between North and South as part of the healing process to be able to honor those who fought for their side.

There was no compact. Grant lost popular support in the North to continue Reconstruction. And the South began it's propaganda war on the just and heroic "lost cause," which Semmes championed until his death in 1877.

But Mobiles mayor basically said the statute was a distraction from the future.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-06-05/mobile-alabama-removes-confederate-statue-without-warning

There was an unwritten rule, to allow each side to honor their dead and their leaders.

And they did. Now, 100+ years later we are moving on.

 

[Correll]

I applaud the mayor of Mobile for removing this statue.

He is right, removing it doesn't change history.

Personally I don't see how anyone can think people who waged war against the United States of America causing the deaths of over 600 thousand Americans are good people.

I don't think that any statues of those people should be erected anywhere in our nation.

Alabama city removes Confederate statue without notice

MOBILE, Ala. (AP) — Alabama's port city removed a statue of a Confederate naval officer early Friday after days of protests over the police killing of George Floyd, with the

www.omaha.com

Of course things like this are done in the dark, and applauded by gutless hacks such as yourself.

Yeah, much better to do it during the day so you can piss off a bunch of inbred, toothless mouth breathers.

Better yet, let the people do it...

A bunch of immature assholes, nothing more.

i agree. The people that want to keep these statues in place are immature assholes. Well said.

Yeah, go with that you dried up old twat.

I will, thank you...not that I needed your permission to agree with you that people who want to keep these monuments to slave owners in place are immature assholes.

The "i know you are but what am I" tactic, the primordial ooze of debate tactics.

Says the guy with nothing but lame ad hominems

Why do you have a problem with removing statues of traitors and slave owners?

Because it won't stop there. Because it focuses on only one part of a person's impact on history, and the placement of many of the statues was part of the compact between North and South as part of the healing process to be able to honor those who fought for their side.

There was no compact. Grant lost popular support in the North to continue Reconstruction. And the South began it's propaganda war on the just and heroic "lost cause," which Semmes championed until his death in 1877.

But Mobiles mayor basically said the statute was a distraction from the future.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-06-05/mobile-alabama-removes-confederate-statue-without-warning

There was an unwritten rule, to allow each side to honor their dead and their leaders.

And they did. Now, 100+ years later we are moving on.

No. YOu are doing all you can to reopen old wounds and fan the fires of racism and hate and division.

 

[Faun]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Dumbfuck racist, it matters not how America viewed the secession ... those traitors were still fighting against the U.S..

you are the one being stupid. The claim that the secession was illegal was the moral and legal justification for the war.

And you are being an asshole, for calling me names, that I have done nothing to deserve.


Seriously. You are a fucking moron and an asshole. I'm not trolling you. Something is seriously wrong with you.


Why are you like this?


You claimed to be outraged by the ancient slavery of the jews. I asked you what you wanted to see done to modern Egyptians, who celebrate the Ancient Egyptians. YOu did not answer.


Is that because you realized that your pretend outrage, was silly?

Learn to read, you piece of shit racist. I didn't say I was outraged over it... I said it's not been forgotten. Which I said in response to your idiotic claim that slavery was moot. I have nothing against modern day Egyptians. The same way I have nothing against modern day Germans, unless they're bigots like you. The same way I have nothing against modern day Americans, unless they're bigots like you.

You want to memorialize traitors who fought against the U.S. to keep slavery legal. That makes you a piece of shit racist.

But you do have something against modern Southern whites. You give a pass to everyone else, because they are not white, but whites get judged by a harsher standard.

You are the racist asshole and you know it.

Putz, I have something against racists, no matter where they are.

It is pretty racist of you, to just smear all southern whites like that, based on nothing but bullshit.


You sir, are a racist asshole.

And when I say racist, I mean actually racist, by the old, real meaning of the word, not the political correct, right thinking version they put in there to pander to the sjws.


AND, you know it. That is why you are pissed off. You think as a liberal, who says and believes all the right things,

that you should be celebrated. YOu are not used to being called on your shit.


And you can't defend the shit you are saying, except to cry "Wacist" like a retarded child.


And on some level, that bothers you. Because on some level, you understand what it means.


All you have to do to stop the pain, is stop talking shit. Man up and face the truth.


Ask yourself,

why do I get off on being an asshole?

I got only as far as this lie to see you're not playing with a full deck...

"to just smear all southern whites like that"

I never called "all" southern whites racist.

As a group, you judge them by a harsher standard. No other group has to be ashamed of their past, like whites, in this case, southern whites.


As per the way you give Egyptians a pass. They are not white. They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors.


So, your "against" them is not just against the "Wacist" southern whites, but all of them.


YOu are an asshole. A racist asshole.

LOLOL

You're fucking deranged.

Let's see your evidence of Egyption pride over owning slaves....

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Great. So we should commemorate rebels and outlaws with memorials and statues?

A distinction without a difference.

A big difference. THey thought their actions were legal and justified.


You seem to believe their actions were legal also, with your claim that they were not Americans.


If they were, as you seem to believe, citizens of a sovereign nation, the Confederacy, fighting to defend that nation from invasion, is a pretty normal reason for people to be, " commemorated ... with memorials and statues".


And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

The type of people who have a moral objection to commemorating self avowed white supremacists.

Why in the fuck would you support doing so?

Dude. I'm not the one arguing that the secession was legal, that is you making that claim.


Do you think Lincoln's stated rational, ie "the more perfect union" was a sincere but mistaken belief, or do you think he "lied us into a war"?

I think you're defending the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists. Why would you do such a thing?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

No doubt you do.

i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion.


Which is the way that they, and you see it. As you have stated.


Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

Wait. I do know this. It is because you know that you are in the wrong, but you are too much of an asshole to admit it.

Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

I've made up nothing. You're unwillingness to accept my premise is your issue. Not mine.
You haven't addressed what I've posted either. I understand why.

The confederates were self avowed white supremacists. There really is nothing left to say after acknowledging that. There is no reason you can cite that nullifies that fact.

You either support the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists or you don't.
Again...
Why do you?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

 

[Correll]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Dumbfuck racist, it matters not how America viewed the secession ... those traitors were still fighting against the U.S..

you are the one being stupid. The claim that the secession was illegal was the moral and legal justification for the war.

And you are being an asshole, for calling me names, that I have done nothing to deserve.


Seriously. You are a fucking moron and an asshole. I'm not trolling you. Something is seriously wrong with you.


Why are you like this?


You claimed to be outraged by the ancient slavery of the jews. I asked you what you wanted to see done to modern Egyptians, who celebrate the Ancient Egyptians. YOu did not answer.


Is that because you realized that your pretend outrage, was silly?

Learn to read, you piece of shit racist. I didn't say I was outraged over it... I said it's not been forgotten. Which I said in response to your idiotic claim that slavery was moot. I have nothing against modern day Egyptians. The same way I have nothing against modern day Germans, unless they're bigots like you. The same way I have nothing against modern day Americans, unless they're bigots like you.

You want to memorialize traitors who fought against the U.S. to keep slavery legal. That makes you a piece of shit racist.

But you do have something against modern Southern whites. You give a pass to everyone else, because they are not white, but whites get judged by a harsher standard.

You are the racist asshole and you know it.

Putz, I have something against racists, no matter where they are.

It is pretty racist of you, to just smear all southern whites like that, based on nothing but bullshit.


You sir, are a racist asshole.

And when I say racist, I mean actually racist, by the old, real meaning of the word, not the political correct, right thinking version they put in there to pander to the sjws.


AND, you know it. That is why you are pissed off. You think as a liberal, who says and believes all the right things,

that you should be celebrated. YOu are not used to being called on your shit.


And you can't defend the shit you are saying, except to cry "Wacist" like a retarded child.


And on some level, that bothers you. Because on some level, you understand what it means.


All you have to do to stop the pain, is stop talking shit. Man up and face the truth.


Ask yourself,

why do I get off on being an asshole?

I got only as far as this lie to see you're not playing with a full deck...

"to just smear all southern whites like that"

I never called "all" southern whites racist.

As a group, you judge them by a harsher standard. No other group has to be ashamed of their past, like whites, in this case, southern whites.


As per the way you give Egyptians a pass. They are not white. They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors.


So, your "against" them is not just against the "Wacist" southern whites, but all of them.


YOu are an asshole. A racist asshole.

LOLOL

You're fucking deranged.

Let's see your evidence of Egyption pride over owning slaves....

I did not say that they show pride in having owned slaves. THe confederate statues are not about showing pride in owning slaves.


As you libs lose arguments, you grow increasingly insane.


My point stands. YOu give them a pass for behavior you slam whites for. You have different standards based on race.


You are a racist.



An ACTUAL REAL RACIST, not the Wacist, that you libs talk about so much, like retarded children.

 

[Faun]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Great. So we should commemorate rebels and outlaws with memorials and statues?

A distinction without a difference.

A big difference. THey thought their actions were legal and justified.


You seem to believe their actions were legal also, with your claim that they were not Americans.


If they were, as you seem to believe, citizens of a sovereign nation, the Confederacy, fighting to defend that nation from invasion, is a pretty normal reason for people to be, " commemorated ... with memorials and statues".


And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

The type of people who have a moral objection to commemorating self avowed white supremacists.

Why in the fuck would you support doing so?

Dude. I'm not the one arguing that the secession was legal, that is you making that claim.


Do you think Lincoln's stated rational, ie "the more perfect union" was a sincere but mistaken belief, or do you think he "lied us into a war"?

I think you're defending the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists. Why would you do such a thing?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

No doubt you do.

i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion.


Which is the way that they, and you see it. As you have stated.


Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

Wait. I do know this. It is because you know that you are in the wrong, but you are too much of an asshole to admit it.

"i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion."

Dumbfuck, that "foreign invasion" was the United States of America. And it was the Confederate States of America who first opened fire on a USA military installation.

Thanks for revealing you're not only a piece of shit racist... you're a traitor too.

 

[martybegan]

I applaud the mayor of Mobile for removing this statue.

He is right, removing it doesn't change history.

Personally I don't see how anyone can think people who waged war against the United States of America causing the deaths of over 600 thousand Americans are good people.

I don't think that any statues of those people should be erected anywhere in our nation.

Alabama city removes Confederate statue without notice

MOBILE, Ala. (AP) — Alabama's port city removed a statue of a Confederate naval officer early Friday after days of protests over the police killing of George Floyd, with the

www.omaha.com

Of course things like this are done in the dark, and applauded by gutless hacks such as yourself.

Yeah, much better to do it during the day so you can piss off a bunch of inbred, toothless mouth breathers.

Better yet, let the people do it...

A bunch of immature assholes, nothing more.

i agree. The people that want to keep these statues in place are immature assholes. Well said.

Yeah, go with that you dried up old twat.

I will, thank you...not that I needed your permission to agree with you that people who want to keep these monuments to slave owners in place are immature assholes.

The "i know you are but what am I" tactic, the primordial ooze of debate tactics.

Says the guy with nothing but lame ad hominems

Why do you have a problem with removing statues of traitors and slave owners?

Because it won't stop there. Because it focuses on only one part of a person's impact on history, and the placement of many of the statues was part of the compact between North and South as part of the healing process to be able to honor those who fought for their side.

There was no compact. Grant lost popular support in the North to continue Reconstruction. And the South began it's propaganda war on the just and heroic "lost cause," which Semmes championed until his death in 1877.

But Mobiles mayor basically said the statute was a distraction from the future.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-06-05/mobile-alabama-removes-confederate-statue-without-warning

There was an unwritten rule, to allow each side to honor their dead and their leaders.

And they did. Now, 100+ years later we are moving on.

Why do we get to decide that?

 

[Faun]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Dumbfuck racist, it matters not how America viewed the secession ... those traitors were still fighting against the U.S..

you are the one being stupid. The claim that the secession was illegal was the moral and legal justification for the war.

And you are being an asshole, for calling me names, that I have done nothing to deserve.


Seriously. You are a fucking moron and an asshole. I'm not trolling you. Something is seriously wrong with you.


Why are you like this?


You claimed to be outraged by the ancient slavery of the jews. I asked you what you wanted to see done to modern Egyptians, who celebrate the Ancient Egyptians. YOu did not answer.


Is that because you realized that your pretend outrage, was silly?

Learn to read, you piece of shit racist. I didn't say I was outraged over it... I said it's not been forgotten. Which I said in response to your idiotic claim that slavery was moot. I have nothing against modern day Egyptians. The same way I have nothing against modern day Germans, unless they're bigots like you. The same way I have nothing against modern day Americans, unless they're bigots like you.

You want to memorialize traitors who fought against the U.S. to keep slavery legal. That makes you a piece of shit racist.

But you do have something against modern Southern whites. You give a pass to everyone else, because they are not white, but whites get judged by a harsher standard.

You are the racist asshole and you know it.

Putz, I have something against racists, no matter where they are.

It is pretty racist of you, to just smear all southern whites like that, based on nothing but bullshit.


You sir, are a racist asshole.

And when I say racist, I mean actually racist, by the old, real meaning of the word, not the political correct, right thinking version they put in there to pander to the sjws.


AND, you know it. That is why you are pissed off. You think as a liberal, who says and believes all the right things,

that you should be celebrated. YOu are not used to being called on your shit.


And you can't defend the shit you are saying, except to cry "Wacist" like a retarded child.


And on some level, that bothers you. Because on some level, you understand what it means.


All you have to do to stop the pain, is stop talking shit. Man up and face the truth.


Ask yourself,

why do I get off on being an asshole?

I got only as far as this lie to see you're not playing with a full deck...

"to just smear all southern whites like that"

I never called "all" southern whites racist.

As a group, you judge them by a harsher standard. No other group has to be ashamed of their past, like whites, in this case, southern whites.


As per the way you give Egyptians a pass. They are not white. They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors.


So, your "against" them is not just against the "Wacist" southern whites, but all of them.


YOu are an asshole. A racist asshole.

LOLOL

You're fucking deranged.

Let's see your evidence of Egyption pride over owning slaves....

I did not say that they show pride in having owned slaves. THe confederate statues are not about showing pride in owning slaves.


As you libs lose arguments, you grow increasingly insane.


My point stands. YOu give them a pass for behavior you slam whites for. You have different standards based on race.


You are a racist.



An ACTUAL REAL RACIST, not the Wacist, that you libs talk about so much, like retarded children.

Now everyone here sees not only are you a racist AND a traitor, you're a liar too.

Of course you said Egyptians express pride in owning slaves. You just fucking accused me of giving them a pass for doing so...

"They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors."​

... so let's see your evidence of Egyption pride over owning slaves....

 

[Asclepias]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

He was a loser confederate. Not an american. He was a traitor to america.

 

[Correll]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Great. So we should commemorate rebels and outlaws with memorials and statues?

A distinction without a difference.

A big difference. THey thought their actions were legal and justified.


You seem to believe their actions were legal also, with your claim that they were not Americans.


If they were, as you seem to believe, citizens of a sovereign nation, the Confederacy, fighting to defend that nation from invasion, is a pretty normal reason for people to be, " commemorated ... with memorials and statues".


And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

The type of people who have a moral objection to commemorating self avowed white supremacists.

Why in the fuck would you support doing so?

Dude. I'm not the one arguing that the secession was legal, that is you making that claim.


Do you think Lincoln's stated rational, ie "the more perfect union" was a sincere but mistaken belief, or do you think he "lied us into a war"?

I think you're defending the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists. Why would you do such a thing?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

No doubt you do.

i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion.


Which is the way that they, and you see it. As you have stated.


Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

Wait. I do know this. It is because you know that you are in the wrong, but you are too much of an asshole to admit it.

Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

I've made up nothing. You're unwillingness to accept my premise is your issue. Not mine.
You haven't addressed what I've posted either. I understand why.

The confederates were self avowed white supremacists. There really is nothing left to say after acknowledging that. There is no reason you can cite that nullifies that fact.

You either support the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists or you don't.
Again...
Why do you?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

Your attempt to make this a black and white issue, no pun intended, is denied.


THe statues celebrate the military service of men defending their homelands from foreign invasion.


I sympathize with the desire of their descendants to celebrate and remember the service of their ancestors, who fought hard and lost badly.


That is my position. It would be one thing if you disagreed with me, and then explained why.


Instead, you have to lie about my position, because you know you can't defend your position and you are too much of an asshole to admit it.

 

[Correll]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Dumbfuck racist, it matters not how America viewed the secession ... those traitors were still fighting against the U.S..

you are the one being stupid. The claim that the secession was illegal was the moral and legal justification for the war.

And you are being an asshole, for calling me names, that I have done nothing to deserve.


Seriously. You are a fucking moron and an asshole. I'm not trolling you. Something is seriously wrong with you.


Why are you like this?


You claimed to be outraged by the ancient slavery of the jews. I asked you what you wanted to see done to modern Egyptians, who celebrate the Ancient Egyptians. YOu did not answer.


Is that because you realized that your pretend outrage, was silly?

Learn to read, you piece of shit racist. I didn't say I was outraged over it... I said it's not been forgotten. Which I said in response to your idiotic claim that slavery was moot. I have nothing against modern day Egyptians. The same way I have nothing against modern day Germans, unless they're bigots like you. The same way I have nothing against modern day Americans, unless they're bigots like you.

You want to memorialize traitors who fought against the U.S. to keep slavery legal. That makes you a piece of shit racist.

But you do have something against modern Southern whites. You give a pass to everyone else, because they are not white, but whites get judged by a harsher standard.

You are the racist asshole and you know it.

Putz, I have something against racists, no matter where they are.

It is pretty racist of you, to just smear all southern whites like that, based on nothing but bullshit.


You sir, are a racist asshole.

And when I say racist, I mean actually racist, by the old, real meaning of the word, not the political correct, right thinking version they put in there to pander to the sjws.


AND, you know it. That is why you are pissed off. You think as a liberal, who says and believes all the right things,

that you should be celebrated. YOu are not used to being called on your shit.


And you can't defend the shit you are saying, except to cry "Wacist" like a retarded child.


And on some level, that bothers you. Because on some level, you understand what it means.


All you have to do to stop the pain, is stop talking shit. Man up and face the truth.


Ask yourself,

why do I get off on being an asshole?

I got only as far as this lie to see you're not playing with a full deck...

"to just smear all southern whites like that"

I never called "all" southern whites racist.

As a group, you judge them by a harsher standard. No other group has to be ashamed of their past, like whites, in this case, southern whites.


As per the way you give Egyptians a pass. They are not white. They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors.


So, your "against" them is not just against the "Wacist" southern whites, but all of them.


YOu are an asshole. A racist asshole.

LOLOL

You're fucking deranged.

Let's see your evidence of Egyption pride over owning slaves....

I did not say that they show pride in having owned slaves. THe confederate statues are not about showing pride in owning slaves.


As you libs lose arguments, you grow increasingly insane.


My point stands. YOu give them a pass for behavior you slam whites for. You have different standards based on race.


You are a racist.



An ACTUAL REAL RACIST, not the Wacist, that you libs talk about so much, like retarded children.

Now everyone here sees not only are you a racist AND a traitor, you're a liar too.

Of course you said Egyptians express pride in owning slaves. You just fucking accused me of giving them a pass for doing so...

"They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors."​

Being proud of ancestors who owned slaves, is not the same as being pride of them OWING slaves.



My father was a life long Democrat. I am proud of him. I am not proud of him, because of his political loyalty, but for other reasons.


Are you too stupid to understand that, or too dishonest to admit that you understand it?



My point stands. YOu give the brown people a pass for behavior you slam whites for.

 

[Correll]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Great. So we should commemorate rebels and outlaws with memorials and statues?

A distinction without a difference.

A big difference. THey thought their actions were legal and justified.


You seem to believe their actions were legal also, with your claim that they were not Americans.


If they were, as you seem to believe, citizens of a sovereign nation, the Confederacy, fighting to defend that nation from invasion, is a pretty normal reason for people to be, " commemorated ... with memorials and statues".


And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

The type of people who have a moral objection to commemorating self avowed white supremacists.

Why in the fuck would you support doing so?

Dude. I'm not the one arguing that the secession was legal, that is you making that claim.


Do you think Lincoln's stated rational, ie "the more perfect union" was a sincere but mistaken belief, or do you think he "lied us into a war"?

I think you're defending the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists. Why would you do such a thing?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

No doubt you do.

i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion.


Which is the way that they, and you see it. As you have stated.


Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

Wait. I do know this. It is because you know that you are in the wrong, but you are too much of an asshole to admit it.

"i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion."

Dumbfuck, that "foreign invasion" was the United States of America. And it was the Confederate States of America who first opened fire on a USA military installation.

Thanks for revealing you're not only a piece of shit racist... you're a traitor too.

I was talking to Hutch about the way HE sees it. He has admitted that he does consider the secession to be legally binding and thus real, and thus it was a foreign invasion.


He makes a strong case. YOu should take it up with him if you disagree with him.

Also, fuck you, you asshole.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Great. So we should commemorate rebels and outlaws with memorials and statues?

A distinction without a difference.

A big difference. THey thought their actions were legal and justified.


You seem to believe their actions were legal also, with your claim that they were not Americans.


If they were, as you seem to believe, citizens of a sovereign nation, the Confederacy, fighting to defend that nation from invasion, is a pretty normal reason for people to be, " commemorated ... with memorials and statues".


And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

The type of people who have a moral objection to commemorating self avowed white supremacists.

Why in the fuck would you support doing so?

Dude. I'm not the one arguing that the secession was legal, that is you making that claim.


Do you think Lincoln's stated rational, ie "the more perfect union" was a sincere but mistaken belief, or do you think he "lied us into a war"?

I think you're defending the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists. Why would you do such a thing?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

No doubt you do.

i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion.


Which is the way that they, and you see it. As you have stated.


Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

Wait. I do know this. It is because you know that you are in the wrong, but you are too much of an asshole to admit it.

Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

I've made up nothing. You're unwillingness to accept my premise is your issue. Not mine.
You haven't addressed what I've posted either. I understand why.

The confederates were self avowed white supremacists. There really is nothing left to say after acknowledging that. There is no reason you can cite that nullifies that fact.

You either support the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists or you don't.
Again...
Why do you?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

Your attempt to make this a black and white issue, no pun intended, is denied.


THe statues celebrate the military service of men defending their homelands from foreign invasion.


I sympathize with the desire of their descendants to celebrate and remember the service of their ancestors, who fought hard and lost badly.


That is my position. It would be one thing if you disagreed with me, and then explained why.


Instead, you have to lie about my position, because you know you can't defend your position and you are too much of an asshole to admit it.

THe statues celebrate the military service of men defending their homelands from foreign invasion

LOL...
You'd like it to be that simple but of course it's not. The confederates were self avowed white supremacists. Your efforts to reframe them as something else in no way changes that fact.
Why would you even try?
Beause you sympathize with their lost cause?
They told you in their own words exactly what their thoughts and beliefs were in their articles of seccession. Don't take my word for it. Take theirs.

 

[Faun]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Dumbfuck racist, it matters not how America viewed the secession ... those traitors were still fighting against the U.S..

you are the one being stupid. The claim that the secession was illegal was the moral and legal justification for the war.

And you are being an asshole, for calling me names, that I have done nothing to deserve.


Seriously. You are a fucking moron and an asshole. I'm not trolling you. Something is seriously wrong with you.


Why are you like this?


You claimed to be outraged by the ancient slavery of the jews. I asked you what you wanted to see done to modern Egyptians, who celebrate the Ancient Egyptians. YOu did not answer.


Is that because you realized that your pretend outrage, was silly?

Learn to read, you piece of shit racist. I didn't say I was outraged over it... I said it's not been forgotten. Which I said in response to your idiotic claim that slavery was moot. I have nothing against modern day Egyptians. The same way I have nothing against modern day Germans, unless they're bigots like you. The same way I have nothing against modern day Americans, unless they're bigots like you.

You want to memorialize traitors who fought against the U.S. to keep slavery legal. That makes you a piece of shit racist.

But you do have something against modern Southern whites. You give a pass to everyone else, because they are not white, but whites get judged by a harsher standard.

You are the racist asshole and you know it.

Putz, I have something against racists, no matter where they are.

It is pretty racist of you, to just smear all southern whites like that, based on nothing but bullshit.


You sir, are a racist asshole.

And when I say racist, I mean actually racist, by the old, real meaning of the word, not the political correct, right thinking version they put in there to pander to the sjws.


AND, you know it. That is why you are pissed off. You think as a liberal, who says and believes all the right things,

that you should be celebrated. YOu are not used to being called on your shit.


And you can't defend the shit you are saying, except to cry "Wacist" like a retarded child.


And on some level, that bothers you. Because on some level, you understand what it means.


All you have to do to stop the pain, is stop talking shit. Man up and face the truth.


Ask yourself,

why do I get off on being an asshole?

I got only as far as this lie to see you're not playing with a full deck...

"to just smear all southern whites like that"

I never called "all" southern whites racist.

As a group, you judge them by a harsher standard. No other group has to be ashamed of their past, like whites, in this case, southern whites.


As per the way you give Egyptians a pass. They are not white. They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors.


So, your "against" them is not just against the "Wacist" southern whites, but all of them.


YOu are an asshole. A racist asshole.

LOLOL

You're fucking deranged.

Let's see your evidence of Egyption pride over owning slaves....

I did not say that they show pride in having owned slaves. THe confederate statues are not about showing pride in owning slaves.


As you libs lose arguments, you grow increasingly insane.


My point stands. YOu give them a pass for behavior you slam whites for. You have different standards based on race.


You are a racist.



An ACTUAL REAL RACIST, not the Wacist, that you libs talk about so much, like retarded children.

Now everyone here sees not only are you a racist AND a traitor, you're a liar too.

Of course you said Egyptians express pride in owning slaves. You just fucking accused me of giving them a pass for doing so...

"They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors."​

Being proud of ancestors who owned slaves, is not the same as being pride of them OWING slaves.



My father was a life long Democrat. I am proud of him. I am not proud of him, because of his political loyalty, but for other reasons.


Are you too stupid to understand that, or too dishonest to admit that you understand it?



My point stands. YOu give the brown people a pass for behavior you slam whites for.

Let's see your evidence they are proud of their slave owning ancestors... they have any statues of them...?

 

[Faun]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Great. So we should commemorate rebels and outlaws with memorials and statues?

A distinction without a difference.

A big difference. THey thought their actions were legal and justified.


You seem to believe their actions were legal also, with your claim that they were not Americans.


If they were, as you seem to believe, citizens of a sovereign nation, the Confederacy, fighting to defend that nation from invasion, is a pretty normal reason for people to be, " commemorated ... with memorials and statues".


And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

And the only question then is, what kind of people would come along 5 generations later, and want to tear down those statues.

The type of people who have a moral objection to commemorating self avowed white supremacists.

Why in the fuck would you support doing so?

Dude. I'm not the one arguing that the secession was legal, that is you making that claim.


Do you think Lincoln's stated rational, ie "the more perfect union" was a sincere but mistaken belief, or do you think he "lied us into a war"?

I think you're defending the commemoration of self avowed white supremacists. Why would you do such a thing?
Do you sympathize with their thinking?

No doubt you do.

i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion.


Which is the way that they, and you see it. As you have stated.


Not sure why you can't address what I actually say, and instead have to make up shit.

Wait. I do know this. It is because you know that you are in the wrong, but you are too much of an asshole to admit it.

"i'm defending the right of Southerns to celebrate men that fought to defend their homeland from foreign invasion."

Dumbfuck, that "foreign invasion" was the United States of America. And it was the Confederate States of America who first opened fire on a USA military installation.

Thanks for revealing you're not only a piece of shit racist... you're a traitor too.

I was talking to Hutch about the way HE sees it. He has admitted that he does consider the secession to be legally binding and thus real, and thus it was a foreign invasion.


He makes a strong case. YOu should take it up with him if you disagree with him.

Also, fuck you, you asshole.

Nope, I take it up with you since you called it a foreign invasion.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The left removes another statue of an American war hero, and they wonder why people don't like them.

By defintion, the confederacy was not American.

So, you support the secession?

So, you support the secession?

Not in any way.
The confederate states believed they were no longer Americans. Their articles of seccession explained why. They claimed their white supremacy gave them the natural right to subjugate blacks and that their economic survival depended on the continued and future expansion of that subjugation.

Straight up racist and deplorable.

But the American view is that the secession was not legal, and thus did not actually happen, and thus the Confederacy was NOT an independent nation and thus the Southerns were not citizens of a foreign power fighting to defend their nation, but rebels and outlaws.


If you agree that their actions were legal and binding, then the Civil War, really was the War of Northern Aggression as defined by the Lost Causers.


Your position is siding with the slavery and against Lincoln and the Union in this historical context.

Dumbfuck racist, it matters not how America viewed the secession ... those traitors were still fighting against the U.S..

you are the one being stupid. The claim that the secession was illegal was the moral and legal justification for the war.

And you are being an asshole, for calling me names, that I have done nothing to deserve.


Seriously. You are a fucking moron and an asshole. I'm not trolling you. Something is seriously wrong with you.


Why are you like this?


You claimed to be outraged by the ancient slavery of the jews. I asked you what you wanted to see done to modern Egyptians, who celebrate the Ancient Egyptians. YOu did not answer.


Is that because you realized that your pretend outrage, was silly?

Learn to read, you piece of shit racist. I didn't say I was outraged over it... I said it's not been forgotten. Which I said in response to your idiotic claim that slavery was moot. I have nothing against modern day Egyptians. The same way I have nothing against modern day Germans, unless they're bigots like you. The same way I have nothing against modern day Americans, unless they're bigots like you.

You want to memorialize traitors who fought against the U.S. to keep slavery legal. That makes you a piece of shit racist.

But you do have something against modern Southern whites. You give a pass to everyone else, because they are not white, but whites get judged by a harsher standard.

You are the racist asshole and you know it.

Putz, I have something against racists, no matter where they are.

It is pretty racist of you, to just smear all southern whites like that, based on nothing but bullshit.


You sir, are a racist asshole.

And when I say racist, I mean actually racist, by the old, real meaning of the word, not the political correct, right thinking version they put in there to pander to the sjws.


AND, you know it. That is why you are pissed off. You think as a liberal, who says and believes all the right things,

that you should be celebrated. YOu are not used to being called on your shit.


And you can't defend the shit you are saying, except to cry "Wacist" like a retarded child.


And on some level, that bothers you. Because on some level, you understand what it means.


All you have to do to stop the pain, is stop talking shit. Man up and face the truth.


Ask yourself,

why do I get off on being an asshole?

I got only as far as this lie to see you're not playing with a full deck...

"to just smear all southern whites like that"

I never called "all" southern whites racist.

As a group, you judge them by a harsher standard. No other group has to be ashamed of their past, like whites, in this case, southern whites.


As per the way you give Egyptians a pass. They are not white. They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors.


So, your "against" them is not just against the "Wacist" southern whites, but all of them.


YOu are an asshole. A racist asshole.

LOLOL

You're fucking deranged.

Let's see your evidence of Egyption pride over owning slaves....

I did not say that they show pride in having owned slaves. THe confederate statues are not about showing pride in owning slaves.


As you libs lose arguments, you grow increasingly insane.


My point stands. YOu give them a pass for behavior you slam whites for. You have different standards based on race.


You are a racist.



An ACTUAL REAL RACIST, not the Wacist, that you libs talk about so much, like retarded children.

Now everyone here sees not only are you a racist AND a traitor, you're a liar too.

Of course you said Egyptians express pride in owning slaves. You just fucking accused me of giving them a pass for doing so...

"They are allowed to be proud of their slave owning ancestors."​

Being proud of ancestors who owned slaves, is not the same as being pride of them OWING slaves.



My father was a life long Democrat. I am proud of him. I am not proud of him, because of his political loyalty, but for other reasons.


Are you too stupid to understand that, or too dishonest to admit that you understand it?



My point stands. YOu give the brown people a pass for behavior you slam whites for.

Being proud of ancestors who owned slaves, is not the same as being pride of them OWING slaves.

Why would anyone be proud of their white supremacist ancestors unless they sympathized with their cause?

 

[NotYourBody]

I applaud the mayor of Mobile for removing this statue.

He is right, removing it doesn't change history.

Personally I don't see how anyone can think people who waged war against the United States of America causing the deaths of over 600 thousand Americans are good people.

I don't think that any statues of those people should be erected anywhere in our nation.

Alabama city removes Confederate statue without notice

MOBILE, Ala. (AP) — Alabama's port city removed a statue of a Confederate naval officer early Friday after days of protests over the police killing of George Floyd, with the

www.omaha.com

Of course things like this are done in the dark, and applauded by gutless hacks such as yourself.

Yeah, much better to do it during the day so you can piss off a bunch of inbred, toothless mouth breathers.

Better yet, let the people do it...

A bunch of immature assholes, nothing more.

i agree. The people that want to keep these statues in place are immature assholes. Well said.

Yeah, go with that you dried up old twat.

I will, thank you...not that I needed your permission to agree with you that people who want to keep these monuments to slave owners in place are immature assholes.

The "i know you are but what am I" tactic, the primordial ooze of debate tactics.

Says the guy with nothing but lame ad hominems

Why do you have a problem with removing statues of traitors and slave owners?

Because it won't stop there. Because it focuses on only one part of a person's impact on history, and the placement of many of the statues was part of the compact between North and South as part of the healing process to be able to honor those who fought for their side.

There was no compact. Grant lost popular support in the North to continue Reconstruction. And the South began it's propaganda war on the just and heroic "lost cause," which Semmes championed until his death in 1877.

But Mobiles mayor basically said the statute was a distraction from the future.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-06-05/mobile-alabama-removes-confederate-statue-without-warning

There was an unwritten rule, to allow each side to honor their dead and their leaders.

And they did. Now, 100+ years later we are moving on.

Why do we get to decide that?

I think most of us see that honoring people who fought for slavery is fucked up. And we don't need to honor agreements that are fucked up.

That's my take on the whole thing.

 

[martybegan]

I applaud the mayor of Mobile for removing this statue.

He is right, removing it doesn't change history.

Personally I don't see how anyone can think people who waged war against the United States of America causing the deaths of over 600 thousand Americans are good people.

I don't think that any statues of those people should be erected anywhere in our nation.

Alabama city removes Confederate statue without notice

MOBILE, Ala. (AP) — Alabama's port city removed a statue of a Confederate naval officer early Friday after days of protests over the police killing of George Floyd, with the

www.omaha.com

Of course things like this are done in the dark, and applauded by gutless hacks such as yourself.

Yeah, much better to do it during the day so you can piss off a bunch of inbred, toothless mouth breathers.

Better yet, let the people do it...

A bunch of immature assholes, nothing more.

i agree. The people that want to keep these statues in place are immature assholes. Well said.

Yeah, go with that you dried up old twat.

I will, thank you...not that I needed your permission to agree with you that people who want to keep these monuments to slave owners in place are immature assholes.

The "i know you are but what am I" tactic, the primordial ooze of debate tactics.

Says the guy with nothing but lame ad hominems

Why do you have a problem with removing statues of traitors and slave owners?

Because it won't stop there. Because it focuses on only one part of a person's impact on history, and the placement of many of the statues was part of the compact between North and South as part of the healing process to be able to honor those who fought for their side.

There was no compact. Grant lost popular support in the North to continue Reconstruction. And the South began it's propaganda war on the just and heroic "lost cause," which Semmes championed until his death in 1877.

But Mobiles mayor basically said the statute was a distraction from the future.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-06-05/mobile-alabama-removes-confederate-statue-without-warning

There was an unwritten rule, to allow each side to honor their dead and their leaders.

And they did. Now, 100+ years later we are moving on.

Why do we get to decide that?

I think most of us see that honoring people who fought for slavery is fucked up. And we don't need to honor agreements that are fucked up.

That's my take on the whole thing.

Brave talk by a keyboard commando a hundred plus years after both sides that actually bled in the conflict agreed to the parameters of how each side could honor their dead and failed/successful leaders.