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Article 80 of the UN Charter, once known unofficially as the Jewish People’s clause, which preserves intact all the rights granted to Jews under the Mandate for Palestine, even after the Mandate’s expiry on May 14-15, 1948.

Under this provision of international law (the Charter is an international treaty), Jewish rights to Palestine and the Land of Israel were not to be altered in any way unless there had been an intervening trusteeship agreement between the states or parties concerned, which would have converted the Mandate into a trusteeship or trust territory.

The only period of time such an agreement could have been concluded under Chapter 12 of the UN Charter was during the three-year period from October 24, 1945, the date the Charter entered into force after appropriate ratifications, until May 14-15, 1948, the date the Mandate expired and the State of Israel was proclaimed. Since no agreement of this type was made during this relevant three-year period, in which Jewish rights to all of Palestine may conceivably have been altered had Palestine been converted into a trust territory, those Jewish rights that had existed under the Mandate remained in full force and effect, to which the UN is still committed by Article 80 to uphold, or is prohibited from altering.

As a direct result of Article 80, the UN cannot transfer these rights over any part of Palestine, vested as they are in the Jewish People, to any non-Jewish entity, such as the “Palestinian Authority.” Among the most important of these Jewish rights are those contained in Article 6 of the Mandate which recognized the right of Jews to immigrate freely to the Land of Israel and to establish settlements thereon, rights which are fully protected by Article 80 of the UN Charter.

It should be common knowledge that under the Mandate, all of Palestine was reserved exclusively for the establishment of the Jewish National Home and future independent Jewish State, as was previously decided at the San Remo Peace Conference that took place in April 1920.

Or put another way, no part of Palestine was allotted for an Arab National Home or state, since Arab self-determination was being generously granted elsewhere – in Syria, Iraq, Arabia, Egypt and North Africa – which has led to the establishment of the 21 Arab states of today, over a vast land mass from the Persian Gulf to the Atlantic Ocean.

There is thus no necessity for a new independent Arab State in the specific area of former Mandated Palestine reserved for Jewish self-determination, most particularly, in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Creating such a state out of Jewish land would be blatantly illegal under Article 80 of the UN Charter and beyond the legal authority of the UN itself.

In this respect, neither the League of Nations nor its successor, the United Nations, ever had sovereign rights over the land we Jews call Eretz-Israel. As a non-sovereign, the UN has no power whatsoever to allot territory to the “Palestinian Authority” where the allotted territory already belongs to the Jewish People.

Moreover, there is no article in the UN Charter which gives either the Security Council or the General Assembly or even the Trusteeship Council the power to create a new independent state. If the UN had such power, then logically it would also have the inverse power to “de-create” or dismember an existing state, a power it certainly does not enjoy under the UN Charter. If, theoretically speaking, this power did exist, the UN would be in effect a world legislature that could make or unmake states by its own volition, a power that would put in jeopardy the present world order.

For the foregoing reasons, the bill introduced in the US Congress by Ileana Ros-Lehtinen is definitely the proper course of action to follow. UN illegality needs to be roundly condemned and stopped dead in its tracks by an appropriate punitive measure, exactly as Ros-Lehtinen has proposed. Her bill would be even more worthy if it were to include a direct reference to Article 80 and to the fact that the UN has no legal power to create a state or to allot another state’s territory for that purpose, accomplished through the devious or underhanded means of accepting the applicant’s request for membership in the world body.



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P F Tinmore, et al,

Actually, over time, the Occupied Territory decreased.

the Israel Defense Force had expanded the control.

Indeed, made its occupied territory larger.
(COMMENT)

As a result of the failed invasion by the Arab Armies and the ineffective insurrection by Hostile Arab/Palestinians (HoAP), the consequence was to reduce the potential for the Arab State from the GA Resolution 181(II) apportionment, to the Occupied West Bank and unOccupied Gaza Strip.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Actually, over time, the Occupied Territory decreased.

the Israel Defense Force had expanded the control.

Indeed, made its occupied territory larger.
(COMMENT)

As a result of the failed invasion by the Arab Armies and the ineffective insurrection by Hostile Arab/Palestinians (HoAP), the consequence was to reduce the potential for the Arab State from the GA Resolution 181(II) apportionment, to the Occupied West Bank and unOccupied Gaza Strip.

Most Respectfully,
R

?????
 
P F Tinmore; et al,

You are entangled in the cause.

So the criminals threw the natives under the bus and gave Palestine to foreigners.
(COMMENT)

The UN offered both sides a partition. The Jewish Agency accepted. The Arab Palestinian did not.

It is clearly illegal under international law to deprive a people of their right to self-determination by using forcible actions including use of violence.
(COMMENT)

That is correct. The Hostile Arab/Palestinian (HoAP) is attempting to deny the Jewish State their right to self-determination by using armed force and terrorism over the last 65 years.

The HoAP is attempting to use violence, and the threat of violence, to achieve political goals and agenda's that are in contravention to the UN decisions on the future of Palestine.

The HoAP has a history of organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities and to take appropriate practical measures to ensure that our respective territories are not used for terrorist installations or training camps, or for the preparation or organization of terrorist acts intended to be committed against other States or their citizens.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
"The Suez Crisis, also referred to as the Tripartite Aggression, Suez War, or Second Arab-Israeli War[13][14]... was a diplomatic and military confrontation in late 1956 between Egypt on one side, and Britain, France and Israel on the other, with the United States, the Soviet Union, and the United Nations playing major roles in forcing Britain, France and Israel to withdraw.[15]"

"Less than a day after Israel invaded Egypt, Britain and France issued a joint ultimatum to Egypt and Israel, and then began to bomb Cairo. Despite the denials of the Israeli, British, and French governments, allegations began to emerge that the invasion of Egypt had been planned beforehand by the three powers.[18]

"Anglo-French forces withdrew before the end of the year, but Israeli forces remained until March 1957, prolonging the crisis. In April, the canal was fully reopened to shipping, but other repercussions followed."

How did the French reward their loyal Jewish Spartans?
Here's one possibility offered by a veteran of Israel's War of Independence:

"The French were struggling with the Algerian war for independence and believed that their real enemy was the Egyptian leader, Gamal Abd-al-Nasser. They got Israel to spearhead an attack to topple him. It was a complete failure.

"In my opinion, the war was a political disaster for Israel.

"It dug the abyss separating our new state from the Arab world.

"But the French showed their gratitude – they rewarded Peres with the atomic reactor in Dimona."

When the Gods Laugh » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

and we should care about this thing that transpired more'n 50 years ago because... um... what...?
 
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P F Tinmore, et al,

thanks for the link.
(COMMENT)

No problem. I use to live with this stuff.

If you read the entire document you will have only one question.


  • Q:
  • Why did they accept fucking Israel as a member of the UN?

Seriously, it does not make any sense.
(COMMENT)

It makes perfect sense if you understand and accept the basic imperative.

Preamble: San Remo Convention 1920 said:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;

SOURCE: San Remo Convention - World War I Document Archive

The imperative was to establish the Jewish National Home. It wasn't to apportion the land based on some demographic. The Western Powers knew that once a Jewish State was established [GA Resolution 181(II) and implemented by the Security Council Resolution 69] that Jewish demographics would increase by huge numbers.

The Allied Powers saw a need, and sometimes, the protection of a minority culture is more important than that of a enemy population under mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

more important than that of a enemy population

The Palestinians were at home minding their own business. They weren't bothering anyone. How did they become the "enemy population?"
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

thanks for the link.
(COMMENT)

No problem. I use to live with this stuff.


(COMMENT)

It makes perfect sense if you understand and accept the basic imperative.



The imperative was to establish the Jewish National Home. It wasn't to apportion the land based on some demographic. The Western Powers knew that once a Jewish State was established [GA Resolution 181(II) and implemented by the Security Council Resolution 69] that Jewish demographics would increase by huge numbers.

The Allied Powers saw a need, and sometimes, the protection of a minority culture is more important than that of a enemy population under mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

more important than that of a enemy population

The Palestinians were at home minding their own business. They weren't bothering anyone. How did they become the "enemy population?"
Maybe because they don't take Saturday night baths on a regular schedule. Ever think of that? I do.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

thanks for the link.
(COMMENT)

No problem. I use to live with this stuff.


(COMMENT)

It makes perfect sense if you understand and accept the basic imperative.



The imperative was to establish the Jewish National Home. It wasn't to apportion the land based on some demographic. The Western Powers knew that once a Jewish State was established [GA Resolution 181(II) and implemented by the Security Council Resolution 69] that Jewish demographics would increase by huge numbers.

The Allied Powers saw a need, and sometimes, the protection of a minority culture is more important than that of a enemy population under mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

more important than that of a enemy population

The Palestinians were at home minding their own business. They weren't bothering anyone. How did they become the "enemy population?"

No one said they were bothering anyone....
 
Good night. I will read y'all's slimefest in the morning. Have fun.

You must have slept like a baby after several hours of spewing lies about Israel and the Palestinian Arabs. Also, I getting every single one of your arguments dismantled must have made you sleepy too.
I just re-read your posts in the last few pages of this thread, and I must say, you are one bitter person. Not only that, but you provided ZERO, that's right, 0 evidence to back up any of your idiotic claims, while Rocco posted links for most of his arguments.

Not only do you stink at debating, but your knowledge of this conflict is extremely distorted and your lies are not shared by any of the other pro - Palestinians here. In other words, you're the only person that believes the shit you post. Actually, I find it hard to believe that you do even believe half the drivel you post. There;s no way anyone with more than half a brain and knowledge of the conflict dating back to 1947 could believe that.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0]Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon)[Forum Weapon][How To Troll][Ignorance Is Bliss] - YouTube[/ame]

This guy is talking about you :lol:
 
Good night. I will read y'all's slimefest in the morning. Have fun.

You must have slept like a baby after several hours of spewing lies about Israel and the Palestinian Arabs. Also, I getting every single one of your arguments dismantled must have made you sleepy too.
I just re-read your posts in the last few pages of this thread, and I must say, you are one bitter person. Not only that, but you provided ZERO, that's right, 0 evidence to back up any of your idiotic claims, while Rocco posted links for most of his arguments.

Not only do you stink at debating, but your knowledge of this conflict is extremely distorted and your lies are not shared by any of the other pro - Palestinians here. In other words, you're the only person that believes the shit you post. Actually, I find it hard to believe that you do even believe half the drivel you post. There;s no way anyone with more than half a brain and knowledge of the conflict dating back to 1947 could believe that.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0]Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon)[Forum Weapon][How To Troll][Ignorance Is Bliss] - YouTube[/ame]

This guy is talking about you :lol:

At least you are honest in expressing how you feel. :thup:
 
"The Suez Crisis, also referred to as the Tripartite Aggression, Suez War, or Second Arab-Israeli War[13][14]... was a diplomatic and military confrontation in late 1956 between Egypt on one side, and Britain, France and Israel on the other, with the United States, the Soviet Union, and the United Nations playing major roles in forcing Britain, France and Israel to withdraw.[15]"

"Less than a day after Israel invaded Egypt, Britain and France issued a joint ultimatum to Egypt and Israel, and then began to bomb Cairo. Despite the denials of the Israeli, British, and French governments, allegations began to emerge that the invasion of Egypt had been planned beforehand by the three powers.[18]

"Anglo-French forces withdrew before the end of the year, but Israeli forces remained until March 1957, prolonging the crisis. In April, the canal was fully reopened to shipping, but other repercussions followed."

How did the French reward their loyal Jewish Spartans?
Here's one possibility offered by a veteran of Israel's War of Independence:

"The French were struggling with the Algerian war for independence and believed that their real enemy was the Egyptian leader, Gamal Abd-al-Nasser. They got Israel to spearhead an attack to topple him. It was a complete failure.

"In my opinion, the war was a political disaster for Israel.

"It dug the abyss separating our new state from the Arab world.

"But the French showed their gratitude – they rewarded Peres with the atomic reactor in Dimona."

When the Gods Laugh » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

and we should care about this thing that transpired more'n 50 years ago because... um... what...?
"Egyptian sovereignty and ownership of the Canal had been confirmed by the United States and the United Nations. In retirement Eden maintained that the military response to the crisis had prevented a much larger war in the Middle East.

"Israel had been expecting an Egyptian invasion in either March or April 1957, as well as a Soviet invasion of Syria."

Empire marches on from Iraq to Syria:

"The 10th anniversary of the infamously illegal invasion of Iraq for the purpose of regime change and on the false pretext of eradicating weapons of mass destruction was recently observed by massive bombings and blood-letting in Iraq with a weak government presiding over a faction-ridden country coping with unbridled violence.

"Is that the future that awaits Syria?

Syria--Enough-is-enough- - Al-Ahram Weekly
 

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