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[RollingThunder]

This heat wave was caused by the SUN.

Here is a special picture of the sun.

Learn about the sun
Sun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The sun's output has not changed. The Earth is still receiving the same amount of energy from the sun. The reason the temperatures are going up is that the extra CO2 in the atmosphere is retaining more of the sun's energy.

Denier cult myth - "It's the sun"

What the science says:

Until about 1960, measurements by scientists showed that the brightness and warmth of the sun, as seen from the Earth, was increasing. Over the same period temperature measurements of the air and sea showed that the Earth was gradually warming. It was not surprising therefore for most scientists to put two and two together and assume that it was the warming sun that was increasing the temperature of our planet.

However, between the 1960s and the present day the same solar measurements have shown that the energy from the sun is now decreasing. At the same time temperature measurements of the air and sea have shown that the Earth has continued to become warmer and warmer. This proves that it cannot be the sun; something else must be causing the Earth's temperature to rise.

Figure 1: Global temperature (red, NASA GISS) and Total solar irradiance (blue, 1880 to 1978 from Solanki, 1979 to 2009 from PMOD).

So, while there is no credible science indicating that the sun is causing the observed increase in global temperature, it's the known physical properties of greenhouse gasses that provide us with the only real and measurable explanation of global warming.

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

I have already showed this to be a fallacy that is not only misleading, but the attempt by some scientists to try and use merely sunspot activity and an 11 year cycle to verify their AGW theory is a fine example of how this is a case of "do whatever it takes to get this established fact".

There is a lot more to the suns part in our climate than a mere 11 year sunspot cycle. IF you continue trying to make this claim I WILL go back and dig up my posts on this subject and my old links and sources to scientific bodies and groups (NASA, etc) that will tell you with clear evidence of this....

Matter of fact I believe we already showed this exact same chart to be misleading in this thread...

On the contrary, slackjawed, the only thing you have ever shown on this forum is how ignorant, misinformed and brainwashed you are. All the rest of your rant is just more of your delusions.

 

[uscitizen]

It was 10 below today in Kentucky.

 

[BDBoop]

What I don't get is that we could tan using baby oil in the 70's, and if we tried that today, 3rd degree burns would likely result. Buuuut nothing's changed.

 

[Meister]

The Sun Does not have a constant temperature...it does vary for a number of reasons. I agree that the Earth IS warming up. I disagree that it is caused by Man. roiling timber, roxie, trakar, and chris are the believers of the new religious cult....along with the other socialists and communists that have gravitated to the cult. When they have to use bogus science to get their results, it's a dead giveaway.

 

[RollingThunder]

The Sun Does not have a constant temperature...it does vary for a number of reasons. I agree that the Earth IS warming up. I disagree that it is caused by Man. roiling timber, roxie, trakar, and chris are the believers of the new religious cult....along with the other socialists and communists that have gravitated to the cult. When they have to use bogus science to get their results, it's a dead giveaway.

You poor deluded nutjob. The only bogus science being pushed on the public in this matter is the stuff coming from you denier cultists and your fossil fuel industry puppet masters.

 

[westwall]

The Sun Does not have a constant temperature...it does vary for a number of reasons. I agree that the Earth IS warming up. I disagree that it is caused by Man. roiling timber, roxie, trakar, and chris are the believers of the new religious cult....along with the other socialists and communists that have gravitated to the cult. When they have to use bogus science to get their results, it's a dead giveaway.

You poor deluded nutjob. The only bogus science being pushed on the public in this matter is the stuff coming from you denier cultists and your fossil fuel industry puppet masters.

Oh, junior. You make it too easy. Which American company was most heavily involved in the AGW supporters wet dream in Kyoto? If you weren't such a delusional dingbat such as yourself, you'd know that ENRON was the company. You remember them? I doubt it. You're to wacked out on the magic shrooms to think much it seems.

 

[gslack]

The sun's output has not changed. The Earth is still receiving the same amount of energy from the sun. The reason the temperatures are going up is that the extra CO2 in the atmosphere is retaining more of the sun's energy.

Denier cult myth - "It's the sun"

What the science says:

Until about 1960, measurements by scientists showed that the brightness and warmth of the sun, as seen from the Earth, was increasing. Over the same period temperature measurements of the air and sea showed that the Earth was gradually warming. It was not surprising therefore for most scientists to put two and two together and assume that it was the warming sun that was increasing the temperature of our planet.

However, between the 1960s and the present day the same solar measurements have shown that the energy from the sun is now decreasing. At the same time temperature measurements of the air and sea have shown that the Earth has continued to become warmer and warmer. This proves that it cannot be the sun; something else must be causing the Earth's temperature to rise.

Figure 1: Global temperature (red, NASA GISS) and Total solar irradiance (blue, 1880 to 1978 from Solanki, 1979 to 2009 from PMOD).

So, while there is no credible science indicating that the sun is causing the observed increase in global temperature, it's the known physical properties of greenhouse gasses that provide us with the only real and measurable explanation of global warming.

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

I have already showed this to be a fallacy that is not only misleading, but the attempt by some scientists to try and use merely sunspot activity and an 11 year cycle to verify their AGW theory is a fine example of how this is a case of "do whatever it takes to get this established fact".

There is a lot more to the suns part in our climate than a mere 11 year sunspot cycle. IF you continue trying to make this claim I WILL go back and dig up my posts on this subject and my old links and sources to scientific bodies and groups (NASA, etc) that will tell you with clear evidence of this....

Matter of fact I believe we already showed this exact same chart to be misleading in this thread...

On the contrary, slackjawed, the only thing you have ever shown on this forum is how ignorant, misinformed and brainwashed you are. All the rest of your rant is just more of your delusions.

Ok tool you asked to be embarrassed again, who am I to deny you..

Solar variation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Solar cycles
Main article: Solar cycle

11 years: Most obvious is a gradual increase and more rapid decrease of the number of sunspots over a period ranging from 9 to 12 years, called the Schwabe cycle, named after Heinrich Schwabe. Differential rotation of the sun's convection zone (as a function of latitude) consolidates magnetic flux tubes, increases their magnetic field strength and makes them buoyant (see Babcock Model). As they rise through the solar atmosphere they partially block the convective flow of energy, cooling their region of the photosphere, causing 'sunspots'. The Sun's apparent surface, the photosphere, radiates more actively when there are more sunspots. Satellite monitoring of solar luminosity since 1980 has shown there is a direct relationship between the solar activity (sunspot) cycle and luminosity with a solar cycle peak-to-peak amplitude of about 0.1 %.[2] Luminosity has also been found to decrease by as much as 0.3 % on a 10 day timescale when large groups of sunspots rotate across the Earth's view and increase by as much as 0.05 % for up to 6 months due to faculae associated with the large sunspot groups.[24]

22 years: Hale cycle, named after George Ellery Hale. The magnetic field of the Sun reverses during each Schwabe cycle, so the magnetic poles return to the same state after two reversals.

87 years (70–100 years): Gleissberg cycle, named after Wolfgang Gleißberg, is thought to be an amplitude modulation of the 11-year Schwabe Cycle (Sonnett and Finney, 1990),[31] Braun, et al., (2005).[32]

210 years: Suess cycle (a.k.a. de Vries cycle). Braun, et al., (2005).[32]

2,300 years: Hallstatt cycle[33][34]

6000 years (Xapsos and Burke, 2009).[35]

Other patterns have been detected:

In carbon-14: 105, 131, 232, 385, 504, 805, 2,241 years (Damon and Sonnett, 1991).
During the Upper Permian 240 million years ago, mineral layers created in the Castile Formation show cycles of 2,500 years.

The sensitivity of climate to cyclical variations in solar forcing will be higher for longer cycles due to the thermal inertia of the ocean, which acts to damp high frequencies. Using a phenomenological approach, Scafetta and West (2005) found that the climate was 1.5 times as sensitive to 22 year cyclical forcing relative to 11 year cyclical forcing, and that the thermal inertial induced a lag of approximately 2.2 years in cyclic climate response in the temperature data.[36]

Predictions based on patterns
A simple model based on emulating harmonics by multiplying the basic 11-year cycle by powers of 2 produced results similar to Holocene behavior. Extrapolation suggests a gradual cooling during the next few centuries with intermittent minor warmups and a return to near Little Ice Age conditions within the next 500 years. This cool period then may be followed approximately 1,500 years from now by a return to altithermal conditions similar to the previous Holocene Maximum.[37]

There is weak evidence for a quasi-periodic variation in the sunspot cycle amplitudes with a period of about 90 years (Gleisberg cycle). These characteristics indicate that the next solar cycle should have a maximum smoothed sunspot number of about 145±30 in 2010 while the following cycle should have a maximum of about 70±30 in 2023.[38]
Because carbon-14 cycles are quasi periodic, Damon and Sonett (1989) predict future climate:[39]

There is a small sample of the big picture.. 11 year sunspot cycles are only one small part in this, yet you algorians try and pretend it is the only factor outside CO2 and negates the suns role in climate change. You idiots take one little piece of a very large part of science and claim you are using science. Pathetic..

 

[RollingThunder]

The Sun Does not have a constant temperature...it does vary for a number of reasons. I agree that the Earth IS warming up. I disagree that it is caused by Man. roiling timber, roxie, trakar, and chris are the believers of the new religious cult....along with the other socialists and communists that have gravitated to the cult. When they have to use bogus science to get their results, it's a dead giveaway.

You poor deluded nutjob. The only bogus science being pushed on the public in this matter is the stuff coming from you denier cultists and your fossil fuel industry puppet masters.

Oh, junior. You make it too easy. Which American company was most heavily involved in the AGW supporters wet dream in Kyoto? If you weren't such a delusional dingbat such as yourself, you'd know that ENRON was the company. You remember them? I doubt it. You're to wacked out on the magic shrooms to think much it seems.

Oh, walleyedretard, you are such a delusional nutjob. Enron figured to make money on carbon trading. Enron was a electricity, coal and natural gas wholesaler but not a direct producer. Their failed financial maneuvering has nothing to do with the documented support from the fossil fuel industry for the anti-science, anti-AGW propaganda.

Exxon Keeps Funding Anti-Global Warming Lobbyists

Exxon's funding of climate skeptics

Report: Koch Industries outspends Exxon Mobil on climate and clean energy disinformation

Think-tanks take oil money and use it to fund climate deniers

 

[westwall]

You poor deluded nutjob. The only bogus science being pushed on the public in this matter is the stuff coming from you denier cultists and your fossil fuel industry puppet masters.

Oh, junior. You make it too easy. Which American company was most heavily involved in the AGW supporters wet dream in Kyoto? If you weren't such a delusional dingbat such as yourself, you'd know that ENRON was the company. You remember them? I doubt it. You're to wacked out on the magic shrooms to think much it seems.

Oh, walleyedretard, you are such a delusional nutjob. Enron figured to make money on carbon trading. Enron was a electricity, coal and natural gas wholesaler but not a direct producer. Their failed financial maneuvering has nothing to do with the documented support from the fossil fuel industry for the anti-science, anti-AGW propaganda.

Exxon Keeps Funding Anti-Global Warming Lobbyists

Exxon's funding of climate skeptics

Report: Koch Industries outspends Exxon Mobil on climate and clean energy disinformation

Think-tanks take oil money and use it to fund climate deniers

Did you know that the Koch brothers are funders of BEST too? No, I didn't think so. Poor junior. Reduced to juvenile insults to try and feel good about yourself. When you grow up you can come back.

 

[RollingThunder]

Oh, junior. You make it too easy. Which American company was most heavily involved in the AGW supporters wet dream in Kyoto? If you weren't such a delusional dingbat such as yourself, you'd know that ENRON was the company. You remember them? I doubt it. You're to wacked out on the magic shrooms to think much it seems.

Oh, walleyedretard, you are such a delusional nutjob. Enron figured to make money on carbon trading. Enron was a electricity, coal and natural gas wholesaler but not a direct producer. Their failed financial maneuvering has nothing to do with the documented support from the fossil fuel industry for the anti-science, anti-AGW propaganda.

Exxon Keeps Funding Anti-Global Warming Lobbyists

Exxon's funding of climate skeptics

Report: Koch Industries outspends Exxon Mobil on climate and clean energy disinformation

Think-tanks take oil money and use it to fund climate deniers

Did you know that the Koch brothers are funders of BEST too? No, I didn't think so. Poor junior. Reduced to juvenile insults to try and feel good about yourself. When you grow up you can come back.

Oh walleyed, you poor retarded dingbat. Reduced to obscure, meaningless claims to defend your debunked nonsense. When you grow a brain, you can come back.

 

[Chris]

Record Events for Fri Jul 29, 2011 through Thu Aug 4, 2011

High Temperatures: 1134
Low Temperatures: 32

HAMweather Climate Center - Record High Temperatures for The Past Week - Continental US View

 

[Chris]

Dallas (CNN) -- Another day, another assault on the air conditioning systems of America.

A spell of suffocating heat will grip much of the South again Friday. Heat advisories are in place for parts of 14 states. People from New Mexico to North Carolina will feel the extreme heat, according to the National Weather Service.

The developments come as several cities in Texas closed in on records for the most consecutive days of 100-degree heat.

On Thursday, Dallas marked its 34th straight day of temperatures above 100 degrees. That city has been getting a lot of attention for its hellish heat, but some smaller Texas cities have had it worse. Thursday was Waco's 35th straight day topping 100 degrees, and it marked Tyler's 38th. The record for both Dallas and Waco is 42 straight days over three digits, set in 1980.

In some places, the heat is having deadly consequences.

Blazing temperatures scorch much of southern U.S. - CNN.com

 

[westwall]

Oh, walleyedretard, you are such a delusional nutjob. Enron figured to make money on carbon trading. Enron was a electricity, coal and natural gas wholesaler but not a direct producer. Their failed financial maneuvering has nothing to do with the documented support from the fossil fuel industry for the anti-science, anti-AGW propaganda.

Exxon Keeps Funding Anti-Global Warming Lobbyists

Exxon's funding of climate skeptics

Report: Koch Industries outspends Exxon Mobil on climate and clean energy disinformation

Think-tanks take oil money and use it to fund climate deniers

Did you know that the Koch brothers are funders of BEST too? No, I didn't think so. Poor junior. Reduced to juvenile insults to try and feel good about yourself. When you grow up you can come back.

Oh walleyed, you poor retarded dingbat. Reduced to obscure, meaningless claims to defend your debunked nonsense. When you grow a brain, you can come back.

Nahh, I actually present cogent arguments. You on the other hand hurl insults like a petulant child. My turds have more brain power then you ever will junior.

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh, junior. You make it too easy. Which American company was most heavily involved in the AGW supporters wet dream in Kyoto? If you weren't such a delusional dingbat such as yourself, you'd know that ENRON was the company. You remember them? I doubt it. You're to wacked out on the magic shrooms to think much it seems.

Oh, walleyedretard, you are such a delusional nutjob. Enron figured to make money on carbon trading. Enron was a electricity, coal and natural gas wholesaler but not a direct producer. Their failed financial maneuvering has nothing to do with the documented support from the fossil fuel industry for the anti-science, anti-AGW propaganda.

Exxon Keeps Funding Anti-Global Warming Lobbyists

Exxon's funding of climate skeptics

Report: Koch Industries outspends Exxon Mobil on climate and clean energy disinformation

Think-tanks take oil money and use it to fund climate deniers

Did you know that the Koch brothers are funders of BEST too? No, I didn't think so. Poor junior. Reduced to juvenile insults to try and feel good about yourself. When you grow up you can come back.

Yep. And they are totally displeased that Muller played it straight. That wasn't what they expected for their money.

 

[westwall]

Oh, walleyedretard, you are such a delusional nutjob. Enron figured to make money on carbon trading. Enron was a electricity, coal and natural gas wholesaler but not a direct producer. Their failed financial maneuvering has nothing to do with the documented support from the fossil fuel industry for the anti-science, anti-AGW propaganda.

Exxon Keeps Funding Anti-Global Warming Lobbyists

Exxon's funding of climate skeptics

Report: Koch Industries outspends Exxon Mobil on climate and clean energy disinformation

Think-tanks take oil money and use it to fund climate deniers

Did you know that the Koch brothers are funders of BEST too? No, I didn't think so. Poor junior. Reduced to juvenile insults to try and feel good about yourself. When you grow up you can come back.

Yep. And they are totally displeased that Muller played it straight. That wasn't what they expected for their money.

Really? When did you learn how to read minds?

 

[Old Rocks]

Did you know that the Koch brothers are funders of BEST too? No, I didn't think so. Poor junior. Reduced to juvenile insults to try and feel good about yourself. When you grow up you can come back.

Oh walleyed, you poor retarded dingbat. Reduced to obscure, meaningless claims to defend your debunked nonsense. When you grow a brain, you can come back.

Nahh, I actually present cogent arguments. You on the other hand hurl insults like a petulant child. My turds have more brain power then you ever will junior.

Now that is what Walleyes calls a cogent arguement.

 

[westwall]

Oh walleyed, you poor retarded dingbat. Reduced to obscure, meaningless claims to defend your debunked nonsense. When you grow a brain, you can come back.

Nahh, I actually present cogent arguments. You on the other hand hurl insults like a petulant child. My turds have more brain power then you ever will junior.

Now that is what Walleyes calls a cogent arguement.

Nope, just an analogy of what trolling blunder uses for brains. Similar to you as well.

 

[uscitizen]

You poor deluded nutjob. The only bogus science being pushed on the public in this matter is the stuff coming from you denier cultists and your fossil fuel industry puppet masters.

Oh, junior. You make it too easy. Which American company was most heavily involved in the AGW supporters wet dream in Kyoto? If you weren't such a delusional dingbat such as yourself, you'd know that ENRON was the company. You remember them? I doubt it. You're to wacked out on the magic shrooms to think much it seems.

Oh, walleyedretard, you are such a delusional nutjob. Enron figured to make money on carbon trading. Enron was a electricity, coal and natural gas wholesaler but not a direct producer. Their failed financial maneuvering has nothing to do with the documented support from the fossil fuel industry for the anti-science, anti-AGW propaganda.

Exxon Keeps Funding Anti-Global Warming Lobbyists

Exxon's funding of climate skeptics

Report: Koch Industries outspends Exxon Mobil on climate and clean energy disinformation

Think-tanks take oil money and use it to fund climate deniers

And obviously the spending works on a lot of easially purchased minds.

 

[Old Rocks]

HAMweather Climate Center - Record Events for The Past Week - Continental US View

Record Events for Fri Jul 29, 2011 through Thu Aug 4, 2011
Total Records: 3108
Rainfall: 492
High Temperatures: 1134
Low Temperatures: 32
Lowest Max Temperatures: 61
Highest Min Temperatures: 1389

Note the highest min. temperature. Very significant, because that means a lot less cooling at night. Humidity and CO2 letting less IR out at night.

 

[Old Rocks]

Did you know that the Koch brothers are funders of BEST too? No, I didn't think so. Poor junior. Reduced to juvenile insults to try and feel good about yourself. When you grow up you can come back.

Yep. And they are totally displeased that Muller played it straight. That wasn't what they expected for their money.

Really? When did you learn how to read minds?

Don't have to, their paid lapdog, Anthony Watts, has already castigated Muller.

Experts Heat Up Over Berkeley Lab Scientist's Quest to 'Calm' Climate Change Debate - NYTimes.com

"There seems a bit of a rush here, as BEST hasn't completed all of their promised data techniques that would be able to remove the different kinds of data biases we've noted," Watts wrote on his blog yesterday. "That was the promise, that is why I signed on (to share my data and collaborate with them). Yet somehow, much of that has been thrown out the window, and they are presenting some results today without the full set of techniques applied."

Watts went on to characterize the BEST study's early findings as "post-normal political theater."

In an interview after the hearing, Muller said Watts' criticism was somewhat perplexing.

"I didn't feel there was a big disagreement there, but he did," Muller said, referring to the Berkeley study's preliminary results and Watts' latest, as-yet-unpublished analysis of weather station data, which he had previously shared with Muller's team.

Meanwhile, climate scientists said they weren't surprised that Muller's group produced a land-surface temperature reconstruction very similar to the records maintained by NOAA, NASA and the Hadley Centre.

"Muller's conclusions are completely in line with many previous results -- from interested amateurs and professionals alike," NASA climate scientist Gavin Schmidt wrote on a live-blog of the House hearing published by the journal Science. "I doubt very much whether this means that people will stop claiming that there are problems

And there is the funding of the project;

But yesterday wasn't the first time the BEST effort has come under scrutiny. Joe Romm, a senior fellow at the liberal Center for American Progress, has called into question the study's funders, which include the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation -- which has supported efforts opposing mainstream climate change science.

The Berkeley study effort, overseen by the nonprofit Novim Group, has raised $623,087. Muller said that would be enough fund one and a half years of operations for the study, which started roughly a year ago.

The U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory has contributed the largest chunk of cash, $188,587. The Koch foundation contributed another $150,000, and the effort received $100,000 each from the William K. Bowes Jr. Foundation and the Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research (started by Microsoft founder Bill Gates).

The Ann & Gordon Getty Foundation has contributed $50,000, and private individuals have given a total of $14,500.

Raising the cash was slow going, according to Muller, who said it took him about seven months to secure the initial funding from Berkeley Lab. At one point, study team member Art Rosenfeld, a physicist and former California Energy Commissioner, floated the project a loan to pay the salary of its only full-time employee, postdoctoral researcher Robert Rohde.