Most Americans like Socialism

[bripat9643]

Go look out your window.

See that long straight thing where you drive your car?

Or, let's say you find a fire burning in the middle of your living room floor.

Who you gonna call?

Knee jerk dummy.

the road, and the fire department are values to me.
can you explain to me the value in paying some welfare queen to sit on her backside all day eating taxpayer funded food while watching Springer on the welfare funded big screen while talking to her other welfare queen friends on the free obama phone?
I am curious how this helps me. Or if that's too tough,
tell me how it helps me to pay so much for my insurance now that I cant afford to go to a doctor, so that some unproductive individual can go for free at my expense.
Now, what happens when every one in the country decides to kick back, not work and just collect the free stuff,, who is going to pay for that?

AFDC no longer exists; TANF replaced it. Thus the Welfare Queens of yesteryear no longer exist.

Millions of people used the emergency room (ER) for routine health problems at an enormous cost to local taxpayers and a heavy burden for local governments. The PPACA, Medicare and Medicaid reforms, have ameliorated the burden on taxpayers and provided health care for many who didn't have it or could not purchase it because of on going health problems.

Why can't you afford health insurance? it could be you governor choose to opt out of the new health care law, or you simply didn't apply for the subsidy. In any event take the advice you would give to the apocryphal welfare queen and get off the internet and work harder to improve your life. It is all about you taking personal responsibility.

Actually, I still have insurance through my employer. However, should that be removed and force me to go to the inferior ACA, My coverage would be less, and instead of 360 a month right now (4320 a year premium) and my 10 dollar copay with nothing out of pocket before it kicks in, I would go to 10,800 a year in premiums with a 12,400 out of pocket, so I would basically spend 23,200 a year for my coverage, while some bottom feeder pays 60 a month for better coverage than I can get.
This is nothing more than another redistribution of wealth.
And in Maryland even the illegals are able to get medical care, they should not. or at the very least their home country should pay the bill for their upkeep.

Good for you, I too have lifetime health insurance paid mostly by my former employer (I'm retired); not everyone is so lucky. if the current crop of conservative pols have their way, future generations will spend their retirement years without defined benefits and without health insurance. Too many today have decided, "I've got mine, screw the rest of you".

I dont have a screw the rest of you attitude, I have the I worked and paid for mine, you do the same.
its much more equal that way.

Wry Catcher is just trying to tell you, in his own special way, that he feels entitled to loot everything you have earned.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, I like paved roads, police, fire fighters, schools, our science institutions. So yes, some socialism is a good thing.

We really do work together to make this society function!!!

Where did you learn that private firms can't provide those things?

 

[prison/con.net]

all thru history, once people had something worth taking, there were plenty who WOULD take it, by stealth or force. Once men developed herds of animals and especially, once they started tending crops, the State has always emerged. it seems that no other form of societal organization is capable of defending anyone or their property

 

[Ame®icano]

Well, they like socialist ideas, but have been made to think that socialism is evil by connecting it with USSR and nazi socialists.

I could imagine Americans connecting socialism to the USSR negatively. But Nazi's? Nazi's weren't actually socialists, didn't practice socialism, and almost no Americans are aware that they tacked 'socialist' onto the moniker.

Making it nearly impossible that Nazi's would have any signficant influence on American perceptions of socialism.

It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so - Reagan

So, what Nazi stands for...?

 

[bripat9643]

all thru history, once people had something worth taking, there were plenty who WOULD take it, by stealth or force. Once men developed herds of animals and especially, once they started tending crops, the State has always emerged. it seems that no other form of societal organization is capable of defending anyone or their property

Agriculture existed for 10,000 years before the state came into being.

 

[Ame®icano]

Most Americans have no idea what socialism is. Any poll that actually asked Americans specifics about the entirety of the socialist program would reveal just how repulsed by that philosophy most Americans are.

A poll that shows most Americans want the rich to pay more in taxes is not evidence in any way that Americans support socialism.

It's the same stupid wishful thinking we see in Libertarians who think their polls prove most Americans support libertarianism. Neither ask probing questions based on policies which separate their philosophy from all others.

If you want to find out how Americans really feel about socialism, ask them how they feel about Castro or North Korea, for starters. The kind of weak-minded socialists who support Bernie Sanders looooove Castro and North Korea.

Yep, Americans don't know what socialism is. All stories we heard about it are not true. That's why we need socialists to explain it to us... because, really... true socialism has never been tried and we have to give it a chance. Lets try it again, it wont fail this time, guaranteed.

 

[Ame®icano]

Socialism has never worked....and never will

But but but . . . America is different.

America is different, but all socialists are the same.

 

[Ame®icano]

Well, they like socialist ideas, but have been made to think that socialism is evil by connecting it with USSR and nazi socialists.

Democratic Socialism is different and Bernie Sander's success points to this. Link below. Will he win? Probably not since the corporate controlled media only allows coverage for a corporate democrat or a corporate republican. Notice lately how much boner and mcconnel are in love with obama since he's pushing a TPP agenda that favors the ruling class?

According To Polls Most Americans Are Socialists Like Bernie Sanders

Why shouldn't they...??..That system promotes equality and generosity among people..!!
While it needs to be carefully blended with some aspects of capitalism, in order to generate progress by the more gifted among us, the basics of socialism, each according to his needs and his capabilities, is a prescription for basic human decency...

Socialism a prescription for mass starvation and dictatorship. The phrase "democratic socialism" is an oxymoron. Whenever socialists need a successful example of their policies, they always point at largely capitalist countries that ignore most of the polices socialists endorse.

Agree, when they're talking about democratic socialism in Germany, I always picture DDR.

 

[Ame®icano]

Well, they like socialist ideas, but have been made to think that socialism is evil by connecting it with USSR and nazi socialists.

Democratic Socialism is different and Bernie Sander's success points to this. Link below. Will he win? Probably not since the corporate controlled media only allows coverage for a corporate democrat or a corporate republican. Notice lately how much boner and mcconnel are in love with obama since he's pushing a TPP agenda that favors the ruling class?

According To Polls Most Americans Are Socialists Like Bernie Sanders

People are attracted to the moral high ground that socialusm offers but reject the negative consequences of such a sytem. It is just a matter of time before people quit this silly obsession with it.

Elements of Socialism allow a country to use its collective strengths and resources for the benefit of everyone.

... great examples could be found in USSR and Nazi Germany.

 

[jasonnfree]

Well, they like socialist ideas, but have been made to think that socialism is evil by connecting it with USSR and nazi socialists.

Democratic Socialism is different and Bernie Sander's success points to this. Link below. Will he win? Probably not since the corporate controlled media only allows coverage for a corporate democrat or a corporate republican. Notice lately how much boner and mcconnel are in love with obama since he's pushing a TPP agenda that favors the ruling class?

According To Polls Most Americans Are Socialists Like Bernie Sanders

People are attracted to the moral high ground that socialusm offers but reject the negative consequences of such a sytem. It is just a matter of time before people quit this silly obsession with it.

What "moral high ground?" There's nothing moral about socialism. It's organized plunder and slavery. What's "moral" about that?

Will you opt out of social security and medicare if you haven't already? These are socialists programs and were referred to as such by conservatives when those programs were instituted. Famous tea baggers like Paul Ryan took advantage of social security survivors. Ben Carson also took advantage of federal handouts when he was coming up in the world. Funny how he and Ryan now criticize government programs.

 

[jasonnfree]

Most Americans have no idea what socialism is. Any poll that actually asked Americans specifics about the entirety of the socialist program would reveal just how repulsed by that philosophy most Americans are.

A poll that shows most Americans want the rich to pay more in taxes is not evidence in any way that Americans support socialism.

It's the same stupid wishful thinking we see in Libertarians who think their polls prove most Americans support libertarianism. Neither ask probing questions based on policies which separate their philosophy from all others.

If you want to find out how Americans really feel about socialism, ask them how they feel about Castro or North Korea, for starters. The kind of weak-minded socialists who support Bernie Sanders looooove Castro and North Korea.

Yep, Americans don't know what socialism is. All stories we heard about it are not true. That's why we need socialists to explain it to us... because, really... true socialism has never been tried and we have to give it a chance. Lets try it again, it wont fail this time, guaranteed.

Depends on what we call true socialism. Usually there's a mix of private and public. Especially in Scandinavia where social programs are very popular and those countries are very successful, especially in education.

 

[Ame®icano]

Well, they like socialist ideas, but have been made to think that socialism is evil by connecting it with USSR and nazi socialists.

Democratic Socialism is different and Bernie Sander's success points to this. Link below. Will he win? Probably not since the corporate controlled media only allows coverage for a corporate democrat or a corporate republican. Notice lately how much boner and mcconnel are in love with obama since he's pushing a TPP agenda that favors the ruling class?

According To Polls Most Americans Are Socialists Like Bernie Sanders

People are attracted to the moral high ground that socialusm offers but reject the negative consequences of such a sytem. It is just a matter of time before people quit this silly obsession with it.

What "moral high ground?" There's nothing moral about socialism. It's organized plunder and slavery. What's "moral" about that?

Will you opt out of social security and medicare if you haven't already? These are socialists programs and were referred to as such by conservatives when those programs were instituted. Famous tea baggers like Paul Ryan took advantage of social security survivors. Ben Carson also took advantage of federal handouts when he was coming up in the world. Funny how he and Ryan now criticize government programs.

Even after paying into SS and Medicare over 25 years, I would opt out of both, meaning I would not seek any benefits from neither if they would let me not pay into neither of those programs anymore.

 

[francoHFW]

Childish replies are often a result of "playing to ones audience"....as is definitely the case here..
Why should I waste anything even remotely articulate on a fool like you...??....

Name where socialism has ever succeeded, I'm not interested in your other BS. If you can't then cease responding to me, loser. Tick tock tick tock....fool.

Name a country that doesn't have some elements of Socialism.

Any country has elements of it, no country that has adopted it wholesale has evew succeed under it

You're right.
Neither has any country that has adopted wholesale laissez-faire capitalism.
So why is it only socialist elements that are so strongly condemned?

Total bullshit. Laissez faire capitalism has succeeded spectacularly every time it has been tried.

Except for poor, disabled, female, minority, working, nonworking, young, and old people, and the environment...

 

[jasonnfree]

Well, they like socialist ideas, but have been made to think that socialism is evil by connecting it with USSR and nazi socialists.

Democratic Socialism is different and Bernie Sander's success points to this. Link below. Will he win? Probably not since the corporate controlled media only allows coverage for a corporate democrat or a corporate republican. Notice lately how much boner and mcconnel are in love with obama since he's pushing a TPP agenda that favors the ruling class?

According To Polls Most Americans Are Socialists Like Bernie Sanders

People are attracted to the moral high ground that socialusm offers but reject the negative consequences of such a sytem. It is just a matter of time before people quit this silly obsession with it.

Elements of Socialism allow a country to use its collective strengths and resources for the benefit of everyone.

... great examples could be found in USSR and Nazi Germany.

I anticipated USSR and Nazi Germany being brought into the discussion, since those countries are republican battle cries of the right wing. I explained my thoughts on those countries already I believe. Nazi Germany is closer to present conservative outlooks especially in their hatred of unions, college professors, LGBT's and minorities.

 

[jasonnfree]

Well, they like socialist ideas, but have been made to think that socialism is evil by connecting it with USSR and nazi socialists.

Democratic Socialism is different and Bernie Sander's success points to this. Link below. Will he win? Probably not since the corporate controlled media only allows coverage for a corporate democrat or a corporate republican. Notice lately how much boner and mcconnel are in love with obama since he's pushing a TPP agenda that favors the ruling class?

According To Polls Most Americans Are Socialists Like Bernie Sanders

People are attracted to the moral high ground that socialusm offers but reject the negative consequences of such a sytem. It is just a matter of time before people quit this silly obsession with it.

What "moral high ground?" There's nothing moral about socialism. It's organized plunder and slavery. What's "moral" about that?

Will you opt out of social security and medicare if you haven't already? These are socialists programs and were referred to as such by conservatives when those programs were instituted. Famous tea baggers like Paul Ryan took advantage of social security survivors. Ben Carson also took advantage of federal handouts when he was coming up in the world. Funny how he and Ryan now criticize government programs.

Even after paying into SS and Medicare over 25 years, I would opt out of both, meaning I would not seek any benefits from neither if they would let me not pay into neither of those programs anymore.

Kudos to you, you are one in a million considering that the red states are full of conservatives relying on social programs such a food stamps, wic, unemployment, etc. for their very survival.

 

[francoHFW]

"Nazi socialists" LOL @ morons...

 

[jasonnfree]

AFDC no longer exists; TANF replaced it. Thus the Welfare Queens of yesteryear no longer exist.

Millions of people used the emergency room (ER) for routine health problems at an enormous cost to local taxpayers and a heavy burden for local governments. The PPACA, Medicare and Medicaid reforms, have ameliorated the burden on taxpayers and provided health care for many who didn't have it or could not purchase it because of on going health problems.

Why can't you afford health insurance? it could be you governor choose to opt out of the new health care law, or you simply didn't apply for the subsidy. In any event take the advice you would give to the apocryphal welfare queen and get off the internet and work harder to improve your life. It is all about you taking personal responsibility.

Actually, I still have insurance through my employer. However, should that be removed and force me to go to the inferior ACA, My coverage would be less, and instead of 360 a month right now (4320 a year premium) and my 10 dollar copay with nothing out of pocket before it kicks in, I would go to 10,800 a year in premiums with a 12,400 out of pocket, so I would basically spend 23,200 a year for my coverage, while some bottom feeder pays 60 a month for better coverage than I can get.
This is nothing more than another redistribution of wealth.
And in Maryland even the illegals are able to get medical care, they should not. or at the very least their home country should pay the bill for their upkeep.

That's funny cuz I live in a very backward red state and ours got cheaper and we got better benefits, cheaper scrips and last year, got two refunds.

perhaps you are one of those with a low enough income that you get the subsidies paid for by those that make more. I am not eligible for any subsidies or lower prices, have to pay full amount so that the lazy can have for free.
I guess the good side of it all is that most of the welfare class live in Baltimore and they are killing themselves at an alarming rate. Those drive by shootings over Heroin really star to add up.

I pay full price.

In point of fact, you already pay for the less fortunate as well as abortions and live births of illegals. You have been paying for some years now. Its called EMTALA, a socialist law put into effect by your hero, Ronnie Ray-Gun.

ObamaCare, OTOH, does not allow illegals to sign up for the cheaper insurance.

Open your mind and educate yourself.

Reagan was way to far to the left for me so Im not exactly sure where you get the idea he was my hero. Of course, he was better than the American hating muslim homosexual that is in office now.

Didn't know Obama was a homosexual. You kind of make my point though. The nazis hated and persecuted homosexuals, unlike socialists, who generally have tolerant attitudes towards everyone.

 

[Ame®icano]

Most Americans have no idea what socialism is. Any poll that actually asked Americans specifics about the entirety of the socialist program would reveal just how repulsed by that philosophy most Americans are.

A poll that shows most Americans want the rich to pay more in taxes is not evidence in any way that Americans support socialism.

It's the same stupid wishful thinking we see in Libertarians who think their polls prove most Americans support libertarianism. Neither ask probing questions based on policies which separate their philosophy from all others.

If you want to find out how Americans really feel about socialism, ask them how they feel about Castro or North Korea, for starters. The kind of weak-minded socialists who support Bernie Sanders looooove Castro and North Korea.

Yep, Americans don't know what socialism is. All stories we heard about it are not true. That's why we need socialists to explain it to us... because, really... true socialism has never been tried and we have to give it a chance. Lets try it again, it wont fail this time, guaranteed.

Depends on what we call true socialism. Usually there's a mix of private and public. Especially in Scandinavia where social programs are very popular and those countries are very successful, especially in education.

When talking about socialism, lefties love to mention Scandinavian countries. If only they knew...

Yes, they have strong social programs, funded by heavy taxing. However, their economies are not that socialist, since business are spared of heavy taxing, regulations and protectionism.

None of Scandinavian countries have problem with illegal immigration, they have control over their borders and have no much issues with minorities. But that's changing too.

Wanna talk about income before and after taxes in comparison to US? Google it.

 

[jon_berzerk]

making someone fork over a big chunk of their wealth

or face serious fines and prison

is not generosity

 

[Ame®icano]

Didn't know Obama was a homosexual. You kind of make my point though. The nazis hated and persecuted homosexuals, unlike socialists, who generally have tolerant attitudes towards everyone.

... everyone who agree with them.