Mother Mary is here to stay

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973 By pronouncing her "fiat" at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son's Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

975 "We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ" (Paul VI, CPG § 15

The devil is a liar!

Yes, those are our beliefs. The same beliefs the early Christians held.

I don’t see how that proves your point.

Yes, Satan is a liar. I don’t see how that proves your point either.

Yes, those are our beliefs.

Right...

The same beliefs the early Christians held.

Wrong!

Mary in the Early Church - Dr. Mark Miravalle

 

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That wasn’t my argument. My argument is that evil does not exist. Evil is the absence of good. Therefore God did not create evil.

That wasn’t my argument. My argument is that evil does not exist. Evil is the absence of good. Therefore God did not create evil

Evil does not exist?!

The devil is a liar!

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying
"Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;
" but of the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL,
you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it
you shall surely die."

Genesis 2:16-17

Dear friend - I fear you do not think very much about what such a story means in the reality for us all. It's exactly our problem to know good and evil, that's why we had to leave the paradise and this world here all around us doesn't care about good and evil - if we don't care. And if we do not start to learn much more, then we will think always only good is what's good for us personally and evil is what's not good for us personally. Sometimes it would be much more better to see that nothing is evil. All this good and evil nonsense is a burden for us - and on the other side we are not able to take away this burden, because our world would end in horror, murder and death otherwise. But we are a might of the love of god. That's why we have to communicate with everyone to find out what's the best of all possible ways for us all together between good and evil. Otherwise we all will drive mad.

I WATCHED A MAN SMASH A PIGEON TO DEATH
WITH A METAL SIGN HE PULLED OUT OF THE GROUND
AND TOSS IT 5 STEPS FROM ME....

HE WAS WEARING A SHIRT THAT SAID....
GODS PLAN

I REBUKED SATAN, WAS SCREAMING, CRYING,
SWEARING, DEMANDING HE REMOVE HIS SHIRT,
THAT WAS NOT PART OF GODS PLAN,
HE IS A CHILD OF SATAN...EVIL

EVIL EXISTS...DEMONS EXIST

IF THAT WERE TRUE, IF EVIL DIDN'T EXIST
THAT MAKES GOD A LIAR...HE IS NOT, YOU ARE

AND, YOUR FATHER, WHO IS THE FATHER OF LIES

After every step in creation God would say and it was good. Everything God created is good. Evil is not extant. Evil is the absence of good.

After every step in creation God would say and it was good. Everything God created is good. Evil is not extant. Evil is the absence of good.

Omg...READ YOUR BIBLE

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

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Hello.

I am not a Roman Catholic nor Muslim and respect Catholics and Muslims as people, but I have such a hard time with the teachings.... I simply disagree with Catholic's and Muslim's teachings about Mary because the Bible does not support the “ Catholislamic “ teachings involving Mary.

I believe that it is important to realize, that at his death BEFORE Jesus The Anointed died, He said, " WOMAN look at your Son. " Here - - Mary’s younger son, thereafter - took MARY, His mother, alone, away in private - ALONE.

The Greek word is a word meaning SEPARATE, ALONE private.... this word private is the same Greek word used in the verse that says that " no scripture is of any private interpretation "

You will notice that When Jesus mentions Mary's LITERAL Son - in John 19:26- _ The Roman Catholic and Islamics do not take Jesus words as a literal meaning.

The Greek word “ THY " son “ is the word G4675 - σου? - sou / soo = Meaning Of thee, thy: - thine (own), thou, thy. ... This Greek word is used nearly 500 times in the New Testament and it always means Your Own or thy own.

I have noticed that Roman Catholic and Islamics honor Mary because of the great things they imagine about her, considering and demanding that because she was sinless, perfect, holy and pure and SPECIAL - “ Full of grace “ She was the chosen one . But The Prophecy and plan of God was to bring Jesus through the Line Of the sinful, repentant sinner " King David " . It did not specify an importance regarding if the virgin was perfect or sinless or the most holiest and pure-minded woman who ever existed. Or a woman who was living a life with the purpose of being a virgin As the Quran declares here in - Quran 66:12 “And (God sets forth the example for those who Believe) of Mary, the daughter of Heli, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into it through Our Angel (i.e., Gabriel), and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.” (Quran 66:12)

But The Bible does not lay importance on anything regarding that Mary had planned or plotted out her virginity or guarded her chastity. NEVER.
The Bible does not say that Mary had lived a long lifetime or a short life and lived with an important goal and made the personal decision of abstaining and refusing sexual relations or marriage.

We don't even know how old Mary was. - - Mat_1:23 and Luk_1:27 simply say that she was a virgin. - That's it....

The Biblically designed point was to be a descendant of King David, not to be born from a sinless, perfect nun-like, single and never to be planning to be, a sexually active woman. But Mary was planning, plotting wanting sex and Joseph was planning marriage and sex too. And Joseph was instructed to not be afraid to get married and have sex because the child conceived in His new { to be } wife was from the Holy Spirit . And Joseph did not know Mary sexually UNTIL after they were married and Mary had borne Her firstborn son.

Joseph and Mary were plotting, planning and preparing to get married and Joseph was fearful / afraid to take Mary as a wife because she was already pregnant.
Joseph and Mary were not planning to abstain from sex . The Angel knew that they had a marriage plan and told Joseph directly - to not continue to be fearful -- and afraid, about the pregnancy. Obviously, they were worried about their sexual relationship and marriage and sexual future because Mary's sexuality and pregnancy was a very important matter in the relationship because Joseph thought she was already pregnant with someone else’s baby and had lied about the sexual activity. He was afraid, and upset and He was planning on putting her away and terminating the marriage. Because the factual plan in The Bible, was for Mary to be His normal wife sexually.
Have the Roman Catholic and Islamic Mosque - simply added these false things and untruths directly upon the Biblical narrative and have they completely changed the message of God’s word. ? ?

We see Mary's genealogy in Luke 3:24..

REMEMBER - The Original Luke 3:24 simply begins to just simply list and lay out a simple list of names - one right after another after another and so on. The genealogy is ending in verse 23 by simply only naming the name Heli. Then ending verse 23 to 24 - It looks exactly as the following … … . Heli, Matthat, Levi, Melchi, Janna, Joseph, Mattathias, Amos, Naum, Esli, Nagge, Maath, Mattathias, Semei, Joseph, Juda, Joanna, Rhesa, Zorobabel, Salathiel, Neri, Melchi, Addi, Cosam, Elmodam, Er, Jose, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi, Simeon, Juda, Joseph, Jonan, Eliakim, Melea, Menan, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Booz, Salmon, Naasson, Aminadab, Aram, Esrom, Phares, Juda, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Thara, Nachor, Saruch, Ragau, Phalec, Heber, Sala, Cainan, ArphaX ad, Sem, Noe, Lamech, Mathusala, Enoch, Jared, Maleleel, Cainan, Enos, Seth, Adam, God ._
_
This was why Mary was chosen - The bible makes is clear that it was very crucial for the virgin to be from the seed of David. Her personal planning, plotting and goals of being a virgin or living a lifetime of chastity and staying / remaining a virgin has nothing to do with anything. And we know that She had never planned to be a virgin, She was getting married and Her husband was terminating the wedding because He could no longer have sex with her because she was cheating on Him.
The angel knew that Mary was very afraid, worried and fearful - in Luke 1:30 - the angel told Mary to not be afraid and worried.

Roman Catholic and Muslims honor Mary because of the great things they imagine about her, considering and demanding that because she was sinless, perfect, holy and pure and SPECIAL - “ Full of grace “ She was the chosen one . But The Prophecy and plan of God was to bring Jesus through the Line Of King David. It did not matter who the virgin was, out of the thousands of virgins throughout the land . ... The point was to be a descendant of King David, not to be born from a sinless, perfect woman who had lived a lifetime of virginity and or who plotted, planned and dedicated her life to being a virgin... I never hear Catholic and Islamic doctrine focusing on the Biblical teaching, it is all - only centered around the twisting of the original manuscripts. And Mary is portrayed as a young woman who was planning a marriage, not some older woman who had lived her life as a concentrated woman of God having abstained from sexual activity. As a young woman looking for a husband to marry and have a marriage and sexual relations with a husband .

This was Mary's plan in her mind, her goals and interests and desires was to get married and have sexual relations with a man - NOT to be virgin ! or a nun, like. woman and never have sex or commit a sex act in her life. She was hunting, pursuing, seeking and pursuing, following sexual plan for a relationship with a male. In the eyes of the Roman Catholic and Islamic fantasy of the Mary of Catholic and Islamicism,

How is this a holy woman who was sinless, pure and special; or any different from any other woman who was seeking a marriage, sex and a husband ? ?
I read Gods word and I just can’t see how that the Mary of Catholic and Islam exists. And if Muslims are not interested in the Seed Of king David and Roman Catholics are also not interested - it seems that they make changes of the importance and point of everything in the Bible and modify it to their own personal interests. what do You think ?

Please help me to understand ? IF I am wrong, I ask You to please show me in God’s word.

So the Church does not rely solely on Scripture. It relies upon Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium which are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others.

Here is what the Church teaches about Mary.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church

PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER THREE
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT

ARTICLE 9
"I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"

Paragraph 6. Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church

963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head."502 "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."503

I. MARY'S MOTHERHOOD WITH REGARD TO THE CHURCH

Wholly united with her Son . . .

964 Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. "This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death";504 it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:



Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: "Woman, behold your son."505
965 After her Son's Ascension, Mary "aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers."506 In her association with the apostles and several women, "we also see Mary by her prayers imploring the gift of the Spirit, who had already overshadowed her in the Annunciation."507

. . . also in her Assumption

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:



In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509
. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

967 By her complete adherence to the Father's will, to his Son's redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church's model of faith and charity. Thus she is a "preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church"; indeed, she is the "exemplary realization" (typus)510 of the Church.

968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."511

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."513 "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."514

* II. DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN

971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."515 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."516 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.517

III. MARY - ESCHATOLOGICAL ICON OF THE CHURCH

972 After speaking of the Church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. In her we contemplate what the Church already is in her mystery on her own "pilgrimage of faith," and what she will be in the homeland at the end of her journey. There, "in the glory of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity," "in the communion of all the saints,"518 the Church is awaited by the one she venerates as Mother of her Lord and as her own mother.



In the meantime the Mother of Jesus, in the glory which she possesses in body and soul in heaven, is the image and beginning of the Church as it is to be perfected in the world to come. Likewise she shines forth on earth until the day of the Lord shall come, a sign of certain hope and comfort to the pilgrim People of God.519
IN BRIEF

973 By pronouncing her "fiat" at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son's Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

975 "We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ" (Paul VI, CPG § 15).

I'm sorry I missed this.

It is frankly heresy. "Tradition" and "Magisterium" or whatever aside--heresy. Mary died a natural bodily death just like the rest of us.

Heresy.

If you believe Jesus is Lord, do you believe our Lord can be contained in an impure vessel?

And if you believe it is not possible for our Lord to be contained in an impure vessel, do you believe it is possible for that vessel to ever become impure after it housed our Lord?

What does God say

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect.

 

[keepitreal]

973 By pronouncing her "fiat" at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son's Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

975 "We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ" (Paul VI, CPG § 15

The devil is a liar!

Yes, those are our beliefs. The same beliefs the early Christians held.

I don’t see how that proves your point.

Yes, Satan is a liar. I don’t see how that proves your point either.

Yes, those are our beliefs.

Right...

The same beliefs the early Christians held.

Wrong!

Mary in the Early Church - Dr. Mark Miravalle

Lol...Mary in the Bible - God

 

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973 By pronouncing her "fiat" at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son's Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

975 "We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ" (Paul VI, CPG § 15

The devil is a liar!

Yes, those are our beliefs. The same beliefs the early Christians held.

I don’t see how that proves your point.

Yes, Satan is a liar. I don’t see how that proves your point either.

Yes, those are our beliefs.

Right...

The same beliefs the early Christians held.

Wrong!

Mary in the Early Church - Dr. Mark Miravalle

Lol...Mary in the Bible - God

That is your only play. It's not like you could argue that wasn't the belief of early Christians.

Sort of like when the Jews couldn't produce the body of Christ to prove he hadn't risen.

 

[keepitreal]

Hello.

I am not a Roman Catholic nor Muslim and respect Catholics and Muslims as people, but I have such a hard time with the teachings.... I simply disagree with Catholic's and Muslim's teachings about Mary because the Bible does not support the “ Catholislamic “ teachings involving Mary.

I believe that it is important to realize, that at his death BEFORE Jesus The Anointed died, He said, " WOMAN look at your Son. " Here - - Mary’s younger son, thereafter - took MARY, His mother, alone, away in private - ALONE.

The Greek word is a word meaning SEPARATE, ALONE private.... this word private is the same Greek word used in the verse that says that " no scripture is of any private interpretation "

You will notice that When Jesus mentions Mary's LITERAL Son - in John 19:26- _ The Roman Catholic and Islamics do not take Jesus words as a literal meaning.

The Greek word “ THY " son “ is the word G4675 - σου? - sou / soo = Meaning Of thee, thy: - thine (own), thou, thy. ... This Greek word is used nearly 500 times in the New Testament and it always means Your Own or thy own.

I have noticed that Roman Catholic and Islamics honor Mary because of the great things they imagine about her, considering and demanding that because she was sinless, perfect, holy and pure and SPECIAL - “ Full of grace “ She was the chosen one . But The Prophecy and plan of God was to bring Jesus through the Line Of the sinful, repentant sinner " King David " . It did not specify an importance regarding if the virgin was perfect or sinless or the most holiest and pure-minded woman who ever existed. Or a woman who was living a life with the purpose of being a virgin As the Quran declares here in - Quran 66:12 “And (God sets forth the example for those who Believe) of Mary, the daughter of Heli, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into it through Our Angel (i.e., Gabriel), and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.” (Quran 66:12)

But The Bible does not lay importance on anything regarding that Mary had planned or plotted out her virginity or guarded her chastity. NEVER.
The Bible does not say that Mary had lived a long lifetime or a short life and lived with an important goal and made the personal decision of abstaining and refusing sexual relations or marriage.

We don't even know how old Mary was. - - Mat_1:23 and Luk_1:27 simply say that she was a virgin. - That's it....

The Biblically designed point was to be a descendant of King David, not to be born from a sinless, perfect nun-like, single and never to be planning to be, a sexually active woman. But Mary was planning, plotting wanting sex and Joseph was planning marriage and sex too. And Joseph was instructed to not be afraid to get married and have sex because the child conceived in His new { to be } wife was from the Holy Spirit . And Joseph did not know Mary sexually UNTIL after they were married and Mary had borne Her firstborn son.

Joseph and Mary were plotting, planning and preparing to get married and Joseph was fearful / afraid to take Mary as a wife because she was already pregnant.
Joseph and Mary were not planning to abstain from sex . The Angel knew that they had a marriage plan and told Joseph directly - to not continue to be fearful -- and afraid, about the pregnancy. Obviously, they were worried about their sexual relationship and marriage and sexual future because Mary's sexuality and pregnancy was a very important matter in the relationship because Joseph thought she was already pregnant with someone else’s baby and had lied about the sexual activity. He was afraid, and upset and He was planning on putting her away and terminating the marriage. Because the factual plan in The Bible, was for Mary to be His normal wife sexually.
Have the Roman Catholic and Islamic Mosque - simply added these false things and untruths directly upon the Biblical narrative and have they completely changed the message of God’s word. ? ?

We see Mary's genealogy in Luke 3:24..

REMEMBER - The Original Luke 3:24 simply begins to just simply list and lay out a simple list of names - one right after another after another and so on. The genealogy is ending in verse 23 by simply only naming the name Heli. Then ending verse 23 to 24 - It looks exactly as the following … … . Heli, Matthat, Levi, Melchi, Janna, Joseph, Mattathias, Amos, Naum, Esli, Nagge, Maath, Mattathias, Semei, Joseph, Juda, Joanna, Rhesa, Zorobabel, Salathiel, Neri, Melchi, Addi, Cosam, Elmodam, Er, Jose, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi, Simeon, Juda, Joseph, Jonan, Eliakim, Melea, Menan, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Booz, Salmon, Naasson, Aminadab, Aram, Esrom, Phares, Juda, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Thara, Nachor, Saruch, Ragau, Phalec, Heber, Sala, Cainan, ArphaX ad, Sem, Noe, Lamech, Mathusala, Enoch, Jared, Maleleel, Cainan, Enos, Seth, Adam, God ._
_
This was why Mary was chosen - The bible makes is clear that it was very crucial for the virgin to be from the seed of David. Her personal planning, plotting and goals of being a virgin or living a lifetime of chastity and staying / remaining a virgin has nothing to do with anything. And we know that She had never planned to be a virgin, She was getting married and Her husband was terminating the wedding because He could no longer have sex with her because she was cheating on Him.
The angel knew that Mary was very afraid, worried and fearful - in Luke 1:30 - the angel told Mary to not be afraid and worried.

Roman Catholic and Muslims honor Mary because of the great things they imagine about her, considering and demanding that because she was sinless, perfect, holy and pure and SPECIAL - “ Full of grace “ She was the chosen one . But The Prophecy and plan of God was to bring Jesus through the Line Of King David. It did not matter who the virgin was, out of the thousands of virgins throughout the land . ... The point was to be a descendant of King David, not to be born from a sinless, perfect woman who had lived a lifetime of virginity and or who plotted, planned and dedicated her life to being a virgin... I never hear Catholic and Islamic doctrine focusing on the Biblical teaching, it is all - only centered around the twisting of the original manuscripts. And Mary is portrayed as a young woman who was planning a marriage, not some older woman who had lived her life as a concentrated woman of God having abstained from sexual activity. As a young woman looking for a husband to marry and have a marriage and sexual relations with a husband .

This was Mary's plan in her mind, her goals and interests and desires was to get married and have sexual relations with a man - NOT to be virgin ! or a nun, like. woman and never have sex or commit a sex act in her life. She was hunting, pursuing, seeking and pursuing, following sexual plan for a relationship with a male. In the eyes of the Roman Catholic and Islamic fantasy of the Mary of Catholic and Islamicism,

How is this a holy woman who was sinless, pure and special; or any different from any other woman who was seeking a marriage, sex and a husband ? ?
I read Gods word and I just can’t see how that the Mary of Catholic and Islam exists. And if Muslims are not interested in the Seed Of king David and Roman Catholics are also not interested - it seems that they make changes of the importance and point of everything in the Bible and modify it to their own personal interests. what do You think ?

Please help me to understand ? IF I am wrong, I ask You to please show me in God’s word.

So the Church does not rely solely on Scripture. It relies upon Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium which are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others.

Here is what the Church teaches about Mary.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church

PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER THREE
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT

ARTICLE 9
"I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"

Paragraph 6. Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church

963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head."502 "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."503

I. MARY'S MOTHERHOOD WITH REGARD TO THE CHURCH

Wholly united with her Son . . .

964 Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. "This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death";504 it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:



Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: "Woman, behold your son."505
965 After her Son's Ascension, Mary "aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers."506 In her association with the apostles and several women, "we also see Mary by her prayers imploring the gift of the Spirit, who had already overshadowed her in the Annunciation."507

. . . also in her Assumption

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:



In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509
. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

967 By her complete adherence to the Father's will, to his Son's redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church's model of faith and charity. Thus she is a "preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church"; indeed, she is the "exemplary realization" (typus)510 of the Church.

968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."511

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."513 "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."514

* II. DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN

971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."515 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."516 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.517

III. MARY - ESCHATOLOGICAL ICON OF THE CHURCH

972 After speaking of the Church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. In her we contemplate what the Church already is in her mystery on her own "pilgrimage of faith," and what she will be in the homeland at the end of her journey. There, "in the glory of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity," "in the communion of all the saints,"518 the Church is awaited by the one she venerates as Mother of her Lord and as her own mother.



In the meantime the Mother of Jesus, in the glory which she possesses in body and soul in heaven, is the image and beginning of the Church as it is to be perfected in the world to come. Likewise she shines forth on earth until the day of the Lord shall come, a sign of certain hope and comfort to the pilgrim People of God.519
IN BRIEF

973 By pronouncing her "fiat" at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son's Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

975 "We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ" (Paul VI, CPG § 15).

I'm sorry I missed this.

It is frankly heresy. "Tradition" and "Magisterium" or whatever aside--heresy. Mary died a natural bodily death just like the rest of us.

Heresy.

If you believe Jesus is Lord, do you believe our Lord can be contained in an impure vessel?

And if you believe it is not possible for our Lord to be contained in an impure vessel, do you believe it is possible for that vessel to ever become impure after it housed our Lord?

What does God say

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect.

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect

Lol...wow...really

And when they ran out of wine,
the mother of Jesus said to Him,
"They have no wine."

Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does your concern
have to do with me? My hour has not yet come."

You should give God and Jesus more respect.

Jesus didn't turn water into wine for Mary,
because she mentioned there was no wine...

THERE IS SIGNIFICANCE TO THE STORY

3rd day

wedding

water into wine

master of the house

servants

bridegroom

 

[keepitreal]

The devil is a liar!

Yes, those are our beliefs. The same beliefs the early Christians held.

I don’t see how that proves your point.

Yes, Satan is a liar. I don’t see how that proves your point either.

Yes, those are our beliefs.

Right...

The same beliefs the early Christians held.

Wrong!

Mary in the Early Church - Dr. Mark Miravalle

Lol...Mary in the Bible - God

That is your only play. It's not like you could argue that wasn't the belief of early Christians.

Sort of like when the Jews couldn't produce the body of Christ to prove he hadn't risen.

That is your only play. It's not like you could argue that wasn't the belief of early Christians

That is the ONLY play...Gods Word!

Point me to any Scripture where God or Jesus,
or the disciples of Jesus, or John the Baptist,
worship Mary, instruct anyone to do so,
or place her on the same level and esteem, as Christ

Sort of like when the Jews couldn't produce the body of Christ to prove he hadn't risen.

Sort of like the Jews denying, the Son of God

 

[keepitreal]

Evil does not exist?!

The devil is a liar!

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying
"Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;
" but of the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL,
you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it
you shall surely die."

Genesis 2:16-17

Dear friend - I fear you do not think very much about what such a story means in the reality for us all. It's exactly our problem to know good and evil, that's why we had to leave the paradise and this world here all around us doesn't care about good and evil - if we don't care. And if we do not start to learn much more, then we will think always only good is what's good for us personally and evil is what's not good for us personally. Sometimes it would be much more better to see that nothing is evil. All this good and evil nonsense is a burden for us - and on the other side we are not able to take away this burden, because our world would end in horror, murder and death otherwise. But we are a might of the love of god. That's why we have to communicate with everyone to find out what's the best of all possible ways for us all together between good and evil. Otherwise we all will drive mad.

I WATCHED A MAN SMASH A PIGEON TO DEATH
WITH A METAL SIGN HE PULLED OUT OF THE GROUND
AND TOSS IT 5 STEPS FROM ME....

HE WAS WEARING A SHIRT THAT SAID....
GODS PLAN

I REBUKED SATAN, WAS SCREAMING, CRYING,
SWEARING, DEMANDING HE REMOVE HIS SHIRT,
THAT WAS NOT PART OF GODS PLAN,
HE IS A CHILD OF SATAN...EVIL

EVIL EXISTS...DEMONS EXIST

IF THAT WERE TRUE, IF EVIL DIDN'T EXIST
THAT MAKES GOD A LIAR...HE IS NOT, YOU ARE

AND, YOUR FATHER, WHO IS THE FATHER OF LIES

After every step in creation God would say and it was good. Everything God created is good. Evil is not extant. Evil is the absence of good.

After every step in creation God would say and it was good. Everything God created is good. Evil is not extant. Evil is the absence of good.

Omg...READ YOUR BIBLE

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Please, do continue...Genesis 2:1-25

 

[zaangalewa]

973 By pronouncing her "fiat" at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son's Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

975 "We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ" (Paul VI, CPG § 15

The devil is a liar!

And what exactly is the lie? (Besides that "to deny god" or "to deny the truth" is not the same as "to lie". When for example someone flees from Nazis and you saw him running direction West and Nazis will ask you in which direction he did run, then it's good to be a perfect liar in the moment when you have to say "He ran direction East" - otherwise you will become very soon a martyr.)

And what exactly is the lie? (Besides that "to deny god" or "to deny the truth" is not the same as "to lie".

The devil is a liar!

Let God be True but, every man a liar!

So do you think every human being is a devil?

Mary has not ascended into heaven
No one will enter heaven with their flesh body
Mary is not the mother of God

Mary is the mother of Jesus, who is true god from true god. And god is almighty. When god decided to bring his mother to heaven after or before her death then she is in heaven now - with or without a transformed body of water and/or fire.

Mary was a virgin...she didn't die a virgin

Aha. And what if I do not believe you now?

The 3 wise men didn't bow down and worship her,

Did they? I did not know that they did do so - but when you say so now: Why should I doubt about?

let alone, bring her any gifts
Mary is not the new Eve, let alone, mother of the church
let alone, carrying on in a maternal role, in heaven...
ON BEHALF OF MEMBERS OF CHRIST!

Only Jesus can go to God on our behalf

Thinking your His and being His,
are two different things.

And what exactly is now your problem?

So do you think every human being is a devil?

Certainly not

{Mary has not ascended into heaven
No one will enter heaven with their flesh body
Mary is not the mother of God}

Mary is the mother of Jesus, who is true god from true god. And god is almighty. When god decided to bring his mother to heaven after or before her death then she is in heaven now - with or without a transformed body of water and/or fire

MARY IS NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
GOD ALREADY EXISTED BEFORE MARY
JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD
JESUS IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER

What Scripture supports your claims?

{Mary was a virgin...she didn't die a virgin}

Aha. And what if I do not believe you now?

Aha. It is not I, you do not believe, it is Gods' Word.
Mary could not have been a virgin when she died...
SHE HAD CHILDREN WITH JOSEPH

{The 3 wise men didn't bow down and worship her,}

Did they? I did not know that they did do so - but when you say so now: Why should I doubt about

NO, they did not

Where in the Word of God, does Scripture document,
ANYONE WORSHIPPING MARY?

And what exactly is now your problem?

I have a problem with your inability to quote properly

no comment

 

[zaangalewa]

So lots of things in this context are not out of

And therefore, lots aren't. You should say so.

"Is everyone an idiot in the English speaking world?" is my only spontanous reaction when I read such a nonsense now. What do you really like to say to me? May it be that nowhere anyone on this planet respects the USA any longer, beause the citizens of the USA respect nowhere anyone any longer?

What do you like to say? I said only that not everything is out of control in this context adn I gave an example, so you are able to know that this thought is not without substance. Indeed is nothing ever out of control, because we can change everything. We let it only be out of control - and only because something is not always hundred percent in our hands this means not everything is hundred percent out of our control.

A modern myth is for example that modern medicine was the reason why Europe was victorious in fighting against the cruel pestilences of former times. Indeed the progress of medicine came to late for this problem. We had won against this mysterious plague before medicine was able to explain what kind of problem it was. And afterwards was possible the real progress of medicine. And now medicine for example takes care that we do not have to make some bad experiences, which we do not like to make. But to know this is as important as to know that we can reach much more. "Ora et labora et lege" is one of the magic formulae of the Christian Civilisation, which made us great. And it's not over yet.

So back to the "Theodicy-interpretation" of atheists. I do not speak now about people who suffered and lost their belief in god because of this. I do not say anyhting about whether this is okay or not okay. I respect all decisions in this context. But it is also clear that the Christian community never lost the belief in god although the times were often less than only not very comfortable in history. It's not a joy for Christians when someone is suffering. We suffer in this case too. Who loves is always happy ... and suffers sometimes too.

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For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees?
But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience. Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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We have medicine to thank for our high standard of health. Not gods or fairies or magic trinkets.

Without Egypt, Jews, Greece, Rome, Christians and Muslims you had no scientific form medicine at all. If I see it in the right way you would not exist nor would you be able to understand a world in which the holy catholic church never had existed … where mother Mary is one of the most important persons.

 

[ding]

So the Church does not rely solely on Scripture. It relies upon Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium which are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others.

Here is what the Church teaches about Mary.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church

PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER THREE
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT

ARTICLE 9
"I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"

Paragraph 6. Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church

963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head."502 "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."503

I. MARY'S MOTHERHOOD WITH REGARD TO THE CHURCH

Wholly united with her Son . . .

964 Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. "This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death";504 it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:



Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: "Woman, behold your son."505
965 After her Son's Ascension, Mary "aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers."506 In her association with the apostles and several women, "we also see Mary by her prayers imploring the gift of the Spirit, who had already overshadowed her in the Annunciation."507

. . . also in her Assumption

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:



In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509
. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

967 By her complete adherence to the Father's will, to his Son's redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church's model of faith and charity. Thus she is a "preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church"; indeed, she is the "exemplary realization" (typus)510 of the Church.

968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."511

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."513 "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."514

* II. DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN

971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."515 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."516 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.517

III. MARY - ESCHATOLOGICAL ICON OF THE CHURCH

972 After speaking of the Church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. In her we contemplate what the Church already is in her mystery on her own "pilgrimage of faith," and what she will be in the homeland at the end of her journey. There, "in the glory of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity," "in the communion of all the saints,"518 the Church is awaited by the one she venerates as Mother of her Lord and as her own mother.



In the meantime the Mother of Jesus, in the glory which she possesses in body and soul in heaven, is the image and beginning of the Church as it is to be perfected in the world to come. Likewise she shines forth on earth until the day of the Lord shall come, a sign of certain hope and comfort to the pilgrim People of God.519
IN BRIEF

973 By pronouncing her "fiat" at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son's Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

975 "We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ" (Paul VI, CPG § 15).

I'm sorry I missed this.

It is frankly heresy. "Tradition" and "Magisterium" or whatever aside--heresy. Mary died a natural bodily death just like the rest of us.

Heresy.

If you believe Jesus is Lord, do you believe our Lord can be contained in an impure vessel?

And if you believe it is not possible for our Lord to be contained in an impure vessel, do you believe it is possible for that vessel to ever become impure after it housed our Lord?

What does God say

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect.

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect

Lol...wow...really

And when they ran out of wine,
the mother of Jesus said to Him,
"They have no wine."

Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does your concern
have to do with me? My hour has not yet come."

You should give God and Jesus more respect.

Jesus didn't turn water into wine for Mary,
because she mentioned there was no wine...

THERE IS SIGNIFICANCE TO THE STORY

3rd day

wedding

water into wine

master of the house

servants

bridegroom

Right. And then Jesus proceeded to turn water into wine for no other reason than Mary mentioned they had run out. She didn’t ask him to do it. He even commented it was of no concern of his, but he did it anyway for her.

Why else do you think the account was told that way? Do you believe her passing comment that they had run out of wine was important for us to know for some other reason? If it was of no concern to Jesus that they had run out of wine, why did he turn water into wine for them if not for his mother's passing comment?

I'm guessing you are a JW.

 

[ding]

Dear friend - I fear you do not think very much about what such a story means in the reality for us all. It's exactly our problem to know good and evil, that's why we had to leave the paradise and this world here all around us doesn't care about good and evil - if we don't care. And if we do not start to learn much more, then we will think always only good is what's good for us personally and evil is what's not good for us personally. Sometimes it would be much more better to see that nothing is evil. All this good and evil nonsense is a burden for us - and on the other side we are not able to take away this burden, because our world would end in horror, murder and death otherwise. But we are a might of the love of god. That's why we have to communicate with everyone to find out what's the best of all possible ways for us all together between good and evil. Otherwise we all will drive mad.

I WATCHED A MAN SMASH A PIGEON TO DEATH
WITH A METAL SIGN HE PULLED OUT OF THE GROUND
AND TOSS IT 5 STEPS FROM ME....

HE WAS WEARING A SHIRT THAT SAID....
GODS PLAN

I REBUKED SATAN, WAS SCREAMING, CRYING,
SWEARING, DEMANDING HE REMOVE HIS SHIRT,
THAT WAS NOT PART OF GODS PLAN,
HE IS A CHILD OF SATAN...EVIL

EVIL EXISTS...DEMONS EXIST

IF THAT WERE TRUE, IF EVIL DIDN'T EXIST
THAT MAKES GOD A LIAR...HE IS NOT, YOU ARE

AND, YOUR FATHER, WHO IS THE FATHER OF LIES

After every step in creation God would say and it was good. Everything God created is good. Evil is not extant. Evil is the absence of good.

After every step in creation God would say and it was good. Everything God created is good. Evil is not extant. Evil is the absence of good.

Omg...READ YOUR BIBLE

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Please, do continue...Genesis 2:1-25

No need. Man was created from dust and it was good.

Do you really believe that God created evil?

 

[ding]

Yes, those are our beliefs. The same beliefs the early Christians held.

I don’t see how that proves your point.

Yes, Satan is a liar. I don’t see how that proves your point either.

Yes, those are our beliefs.

Right...

The same beliefs the early Christians held.

Wrong!

Mary in the Early Church - Dr. Mark Miravalle

Lol...Mary in the Bible - God

That is your only play. It's not like you could argue that wasn't the belief of early Christians.

Sort of like when the Jews couldn't produce the body of Christ to prove he hadn't risen.

That is your only play. It's not like you could argue that wasn't the belief of early Christians

That is the ONLY play...Gods Word!

Point me to any Scripture where God or Jesus,
or the disciples of Jesus, or John the Baptist,
worship Mary, instruct anyone to do so,
or place her on the same level and esteem, as Christ

Sort of like when the Jews couldn't produce the body of Christ to prove he hadn't risen.

Sort of like the Jews denying, the Son of God

We don't worship Mary. That's your error. That's why I wanted you to tell me in your own words what you believe we blasphemed.

Please do tell me how I worship Mary.

 

[LittleNipper]

I believe that Mary was highly regarded among others sinners. She needed the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus as much as anyone else ever did. I do not believe Mary is queen of heaven, nor does she presently know what is happening here on this planet anymore than anyone else who is among those saved by the grace of GOD through Jesus the Messiah. Mary has her place among Ester, Sarah, and even Rahab. They all have a share in the coming of the Messiah and they are all read about in the Bible...

 

[zaangalewa]

I believe that Mary was highly regarded among others sinners. She needed the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus as much as anyone else ever did.

What a nonsense. Since when needs a mother the death of her child? Since when sacrifices a mother her child for to save you? Are you crazy?

I do not believe Mary is queen of heaven, nor does she presently know what is happening here on this planet anymore than anyone else who is among those saved by the grace of GOD through Jesus the Messiah. Mary has her place among Ester, Sarah, and even Rahab. They all have a share in the coming of the Messiah and they are all read about in the Bible...

 

[keepitreal]

I'm sorry I missed this.

It is frankly heresy. "Tradition" and "Magisterium" or whatever aside--heresy. Mary died a natural bodily death just like the rest of us.

Heresy.

If you believe Jesus is Lord, do you believe our Lord can be contained in an impure vessel?

And if you believe it is not possible for our Lord to be contained in an impure vessel, do you believe it is possible for that vessel to ever become impure after it housed our Lord?

What does God say

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect.

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect

Lol...wow...really

And when they ran out of wine,
the mother of Jesus said to Him,
"They have no wine."

Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does your concern
have to do with me? My hour has not yet come."

You should give God and Jesus more respect.

Jesus didn't turn water into wine for Mary,
because she mentioned there was no wine...

THERE IS SIGNIFICANCE TO THE STORY

3rd day

wedding

water into wine

master of the house

servants

bridegroom

Right. And then Jesus proceeded to turn water into wine for no other reason than Mary mentioned they had run out. She didn’t ask him to do it. He even commented it was of no concern of his, but he did it anyway for her.

Why else do you think the account was told that way? Do you believe her passing comment that they had run out of wine was important for us to know for some other reason? If it was of no concern to Jesus that they had run out of wine, why did he turn water into wine for them if not for his mother's passing comment?

I'm guessing you are a JW.

You said...

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

Which was and is, a lie.

You have the audacity to tell me,
I should probably treat His mother,
with a little more respect....

This, coming from someone who is blind,
following and listening to others, that are blind,

who can't even capitalize a letter, when referring to Him,
stating things He never said, claiming things, no where in Scripture,
and the basis of your arguments always rely on self...
Not God's Word but, Ding's foolishness


Now its....

Right. And then Jesus proceeded to turn water into wine for no other reason than Mary mentioned they had run out. She didn’t ask him to do it. He even commented it was of no concern of his, but he did it anyway for her.

NO DING A LING...THERE WAS A REASON,
WHICH HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH
HER TELLING HIM, THERE WAS NO MORE WINE....
HE DIDN'T DO IT FOR HER

STOP RELYING ON SELF...YOU'RE SPEAKING LIES

Why else do you think the account was told that way? Do you believe her passing comment that they had run out of wine was important for us to know for some other reason? If it was of no concern to Jesus that they had run out of wine, why did he turn water into wine for them if not for his mother's passing comment?

This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee,
and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed in Him

John 2:11

That's why...to manifest His glory, to fulfill Scripture
and as a sign for testimony...I Am He

Furthermore, it is the first, of 7 signs
the Book of John bears witness to,

and occurred on the 3rd day,
following His baptism by John the Baptist
the Holy Spirit descending upon Him,
and John's testimony that He is the Son of God

Jesus doesn't address Mary by her name,
nor does He address her as mother or mom,
He addresses her as woman

When Jesus instructed the servants,
to fill the stone waterpots with water,
they already contained water, used for hand washing
according to Jewish tradition and purification rituals....

Jesus is demonstrating that He is
superior to the rituals and traditions of men
and, keeping with rabbinical teaching
stone could not be ritually defiled.

When Jesus instructed the servants
to draw some out and give it to the master of the feast,
the head waiter of the feast told the bridegroom,
you saved the best wine for last....

Christ used the water, used for ritual cleansing in the Old Covenant
and transformed it into the best wine of the wedding feast.

We are baptized and brought to Christ by faith,
and are saved and brought to God, through the blood of Christ

We have been invited to the wedding by the Bridegroom,
and the Master of the feast, prepared the table

Keep thinking the significance of John 2,
is all about Mary telling Jesus..."They have no wine"

but guessing you are a JW.

Wrong...you are only wise in your own eyes

 

[ding]

If you believe Jesus is Lord, do you believe our Lord can be contained in an impure vessel?

And if you believe it is not possible for our Lord to be contained in an impure vessel, do you believe it is possible for that vessel to ever become impure after it housed our Lord?

What does God say

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect.

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect

Lol...wow...really

And when they ran out of wine,
the mother of Jesus said to Him,
"They have no wine."

Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does your concern
have to do with me? My hour has not yet come."

You should give God and Jesus more respect.

Jesus didn't turn water into wine for Mary,
because she mentioned there was no wine...

THERE IS SIGNIFICANCE TO THE STORY

3rd day

wedding

water into wine

master of the house

servants

bridegroom

Right. And then Jesus proceeded to turn water into wine for no other reason than Mary mentioned they had run out. She didn’t ask him to do it. He even commented it was of no concern of his, but he did it anyway for her.

Why else do you think the account was told that way? Do you believe her passing comment that they had run out of wine was important for us to know for some other reason? If it was of no concern to Jesus that they had run out of wine, why did he turn water into wine for them if not for his mother's passing comment?

I'm guessing you are a JW.

You said...

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

Which was and is, a lie.

You have the audacity to tell me,
I should probably treat His mother,
with a little more respect....

This, coming from someone who is blind,
following and listening to others, that are blind,

who can't even capitalize a letter, when referring to Him,
stating things He never said, claiming things, no where in Scripture,
and the basis of your arguments always rely on self...
Not God's Word but, Ding's foolishness


Now its....

Right. And then Jesus proceeded to turn water into wine for no other reason than Mary mentioned they had run out. She didn’t ask him to do it. He even commented it was of no concern of his, but he did it anyway for her.

NO DING A LING...THERE WAS A REASON,
WHICH HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH
HER TELLING HIM, THERE WAS NO MORE WINE....
HE DIDN'T DO IT FOR HER

STOP RELYING ON SELF...YOU'RE SPEAKING LIES

Why else do you think the account was told that way? Do you believe her passing comment that they had run out of wine was important for us to know for some other reason? If it was of no concern to Jesus that they had run out of wine, why did he turn water into wine for them if not for his mother's passing comment?

This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee,
and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed in Him

John 2:11

That's why...to manifest His glory, to fulfill Scripture
and as a sign for testimony...I Am He

Furthermore, it is the first, of 7 signs
the Book of John bears witness to,

and occurred on the 3rd day,
following His baptism by John the Baptist
the Holy Spirit descending upon Him,
and John's testimony that He is the Son of God

Jesus doesn't address Mary by her name,
nor does He address her as mother or mom,
He addresses her as woman

When Jesus instructed the servants,
to fill the stone waterpots with water,
they already contained water, used for hand washing
according to Jewish tradition and purification rituals....

Jesus is demonstrating that He is
superior to the rituals and traditions of men
and, keeping with rabbinical teaching
stone could not be ritually defiled.

When Jesus instructed the servants
to draw some out and give it to the master of the feast,
the head waiter of the feast told the bridegroom,
you saved the best wine for last....

Christ used the water, used for ritual cleansing in the Old Covenant
and transformed it into the best wine of the wedding feast.

We are baptized and brought to Christ by faith,
and are saved and brought to God, through the blood of Christ

We have been invited to the wedding by the Bridegroom,
and the Master of the feast, prepared the table

Keep thinking the significance of John 2,
is all about Mary telling Jesus..."They have no wine"

but guessing you are a JW.

Wrong...you are only wise in your own eyes

I don't really see your point. I think you are reading way too much into it. He hadn't even started his ministry yet. Personally, I think you have an ax to grind with Catholics.

 

[Taz]

I believe that Mary was highly regarded among others sinners. She needed the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus as much as anyone else ever did.

What a nonsense. Since when needs a mother the death of her child? Since when sacrifices a mother her child for to save you? Are you crazy?

I do not believe Mary is queen of heaven, nor does she presently know what is happening here on this planet anymore than anyone else who is among those saved by the grace of GOD through Jesus the Messiah. Mary has her place among Ester, Sarah, and even Rahab. They all have a share in the coming of the Messiah and they are all read about in the Bible...

Mary knew that she gave birth to an alien baby, so didn't mind what happened to him and was actually quite miffed that aliens had impregnated her the way they did.

 

[keepitreal]

What does God say

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect.

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

You should probably treat his mother with a little more respect

Lol...wow...really

And when they ran out of wine,
the mother of Jesus said to Him,
"They have no wine."

Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does your concern
have to do with me? My hour has not yet come."

You should give God and Jesus more respect.

Jesus didn't turn water into wine for Mary,
because she mentioned there was no wine...

THERE IS SIGNIFICANCE TO THE STORY

3rd day

wedding

water into wine

master of the house

servants

bridegroom

Right. And then Jesus proceeded to turn water into wine for no other reason than Mary mentioned they had run out. She didn’t ask him to do it. He even commented it was of no concern of his, but he did it anyway for her.

Why else do you think the account was told that way? Do you believe her passing comment that they had run out of wine was important for us to know for some other reason? If it was of no concern to Jesus that they had run out of wine, why did he turn water into wine for them if not for his mother's passing comment?

I'm guessing you are a JW.

You said...

He said he turned water into wine for her because of her merely mentioning the wedding party had run out.

Which was and is, a lie.

You have the audacity to tell me,
I should probably treat His mother,
with a little more respect....

This, coming from someone who is blind,
following and listening to others, that are blind,

who can't even capitalize a letter, when referring to Him,
stating things He never said, claiming things, no where in Scripture,
and the basis of your arguments always rely on self...
Not God's Word but, Ding's foolishness


Now its....

Right. And then Jesus proceeded to turn water into wine for no other reason than Mary mentioned they had run out. She didn’t ask him to do it. He even commented it was of no concern of his, but he did it anyway for her.

NO DING A LING...THERE WAS A REASON,
WHICH HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH
HER TELLING HIM, THERE WAS NO MORE WINE....
HE DIDN'T DO IT FOR HER

STOP RELYING ON SELF...YOU'RE SPEAKING LIES

Why else do you think the account was told that way? Do you believe her passing comment that they had run out of wine was important for us to know for some other reason? If it was of no concern to Jesus that they had run out of wine, why did he turn water into wine for them if not for his mother's passing comment?

This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee,
and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed in Him

John 2:11

That's why...to manifest His glory, to fulfill Scripture
and as a sign for testimony...I Am He

Furthermore, it is the first, of 7 signs
the Book of John bears witness to,

and occurred on the 3rd day,
following His baptism by John the Baptist
the Holy Spirit descending upon Him,
and John's testimony that He is the Son of God

Jesus doesn't address Mary by her name,
nor does He address her as mother or mom,
He addresses her as woman

When Jesus instructed the servants,
to fill the stone waterpots with water,
they already contained water, used for hand washing
according to Jewish tradition and purification rituals....

Jesus is demonstrating that He is
superior to the rituals and traditions of men
and, keeping with rabbinical teaching
stone could not be ritually defiled.

When Jesus instructed the servants
to draw some out and give it to the master of the feast,
the head waiter of the feast told the bridegroom,
you saved the best wine for last....

Christ used the water, used for ritual cleansing in the Old Covenant
and transformed it into the best wine of the wedding feast.

We are baptized and brought to Christ by faith,
and are saved and brought to God, through the blood of Christ

We have been invited to the wedding by the Bridegroom,
and the Master of the feast, prepared the table

Keep thinking the significance of John 2,
is all about Mary telling Jesus..."They have no wine"

but guessing you are a JW.

Wrong...you are only wise in your own eyes

I don't really see your point. I think you are reading way too much into it. He hadn't even started his ministry yet. Personally, I think you have an ax to grind with Catholics.

I don't really see your point. I think you are reading way too much into it. He hadn't even started his ministry yet. Personally, I think you have an ax to grind with Catholics

Wow...reading way too much into it
Darling, it's obvious to me

I wasn't making a point,
I was sharing the point of the miracle

The significance of what Christ did,
having nothing to do with what Mary said

You should not be trying to see my point,
you should see if what I'm stating, aligns with Gods Word

Again, you are wrong...Jesus had begun His ministry
Why do you not know the Father, nor the Son,
whom you profess to belong to and place your faith in?

I don't have a problem with Catholics,
I have a problem with religion and teachings,
as far as, where the God and Father of Christ are concerned.

Frankly, it wouldn't matter if I had an ax to grind,
it matters whether or not, God has an ax to grind

 

[keepitreal]

I believe that Mary was highly regarded among others sinners. She needed the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus as much as anyone else ever did.

What a nonsense. Since when needs a mother the death of her child? Since when sacrifices a mother her child for to save you? Are you crazy?

I do not believe Mary is queen of heaven, nor does she presently know what is happening here on this planet anymore than anyone else who is among those saved by the grace of GOD through Jesus the Messiah. Mary has her place among Ester, Sarah, and even Rahab. They all have a share in the coming of the Messiah and they are all read about in the Bible...

English please